Vax Mandates Over
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Are you looking for fact or opinion?
No, I don't believe the legal hold applies to EO 14043 for Federal Employees.
No this regime will win that argument.
"No this regime will win that argument."
So the Federal Courts are going to tell 27 states, to date, to go pound sand? Not smart. Not smart at all...
DeSantis signed a bill banning vaccine mandates in Florida. If you mandate it for your employees...you get fined...simply genius!
^^^ So, if companies stop the "mandate" on their own for fear of future lawsuits, what are they going to do with the ones they have already terminated? Seems to me like they're admitting some of guilt and carried through with a lot of unjust terminations.
States will win their decision. However, many employers, mostly out of state (i.e healthcare as an example) will win THEIR decision to force vaxx mandates for THEIR employees. Simply put, follow their decision or be terminated.
I think Joey Ward is correct.
My crappy state of MA has fired correction officers for not getting the vaccine wtf is this world coming to.
I suspect employers will be able to mandate it, just as they mandate a dress code, working hours, whatever. But if there is enough push-back they may be forced to back down. However, people that have already been fired without having been given the option for weekly (or whatever) testing in lieu of vax may be able to make a case.
What about the 50 million people who have had Covid? Natural immunity is proven far better than the vaccine. Why are they having to choose between getting vaccinated or losing their job? Until politicians and employers recognize that, it's obvious the mandates are not about saving people.
It’s not a vaccine. Doesn’t prevent you from getting it, giving it, or dying from it. Still too early to figure out the chronic/long term effects, but definitely showing impressive acute symptoms and deaths versus all the other vaccines.
My company has mandated the poison prick. Working on a religious exemption now and will follow with a medical exemption. Might end up with a decent retirement…
Even the data from the Pharma-fascists at the WHO who are pushing the hell out of this BS and are suspect for under reporting issues are showing impressive results.
So “We The People” are supposed to believe what socialist propagandists like the WHO, CDC, NIH etc are telling us why again? Because they are forthright and truthful?
For many they are "free" to not get vaccinated as long as they don't want their job anymore.
Doesn't need to be a law. The left in Government would actually prefer it if the private sector just did it. Then they don't have to hassle with the court cases and limitations on government.
Like censorship. The government isn't suppose to limit free speech. No problem, just partner with the private platforms that deliver the bulk of content and have them do it.
Employers won't be able to push THEIR "mandate" if SCOTUS says they can't, when it gets to that level.
Dress codes and working hours don't affect your health and are not medical procedures...
Another great bow hunting thread! Admins need to shut this crap down.
Then why did you click on it?? The thread title says EXACTLY what the topic is, and you had a choice to open it or not.
Ignoring this bs the communist former vice president and commander in thief is throwing out there is exactly what the communist marxist socialist regime wants. They hate freedom, they hate being questioned, they hate capitalism, they hate American exceptionalism, they hate dissent and they hate you. Forcing vax mandates that clearly don’t work judging by recent infection spikes of the vaxed and wearing cloth masks that do nothing is all about control and that’s it. There’s no proof that these measures prevent anything and in fact people who comply are getting sick at an alarming rate……..
"Another great bow hunting thread! Admins need to shut this crap down."
The owner of this site created a thread on the KR trial. Believe it or not, there ARE things outside the bowhunting world that have a profound effect on all of our lives. Our world doesn't end past the 20' bubble we live in.
Many employers require drug tests, before employment and during employment. Is that not a mandatory medical procedure?
You either allow it or you’re not hired. Or terminated. Again, your choice.
Sorry Joey, taking a pee test is not quite the same as injecting something INTO your body that you dont trust. Especially if you have natural immunity. Giant swing and a miss on that stretch. As an employer, I would have nobody left to work if I imposed a vax mandate.
How in any rational world can anyone think that mandating the injection of experimental substances into your body is the same as checking for drug use that can be a safety hazard to that person and others?
For a virus that is 99.97% non fatal?
When science proves that those who get it (even asymptomatically) have far greater, longer lasting immunity?
When the injections have demonstrated significant short term health effects?
When the animal trials of injections of those substances indicated significant mortality?
The long-term effects of these injections on people are totally unknown (at least by the general population).
The use of FEAR to push for full injection of these substances of society has proven that the majority are very easily manipulated.
Joey Ward - except there are both federal and state statutes speaking to narcotics and being under the influence. There is not, however, federal or state statutes speaking to vaccination requirements in the private sector of commerce for all occupations. Otherwise this wouldn't even be an issue and states would not have filed lawsuits.
That's the difference.
Also, the US Constitution pretty much spells it out that one state cannot enact laws that are contrary to another's states to severely compromise civil rights and liberties. That, in part, are what state AG's and the 5th Circuit Court have issues with. An example of this is only allowing women of a certain ethnicity the ability to vote on election day one hour before the polls close. The state isn't taking away the right, they are severely compromising it. The vaccination requirement would not be valid in states that set laws against it, but the state can't keep you from getting it through your employer if you want it.
This is the only place where OSHA actually has any real teeth. Employers have to allow or accommodate the employee upon choice to receive vaccinations for themselves. That's it, and that's all.
"Another great bow hunting thread! Admins need to shut this crap down."
Don't be scared bro!...some of us actually care about this country enough to be concerned about its future. If that's a problem for you, it suggests that YOU are part of the problem.
...."substances that will forever and irreversibly alter your DNA...
I can't believe there are people who believe this myth. ^^^
Matt
Tje Biden administration could care less about an individual's right to choose...except when it comes to your right to loot, burn or snuff out the life of an unborn child. This whole thing should have never happened.
Dual Federalism gives power to the states equal to the fed. A fed mandate has no authority in reality...
He did the mandate via osha making it a workplace safety issue, Oshawa already has Lots of mandates.
Now that won't pass the giggle test but it was the only real option, outs it on even footing with asbestos protocols
If you want to know just how critical "save humanity" and "save the world" Poopy Pants's mandates are...... Corporate interests have "mandated" he back off a couple months until AFTER Christmas so as they can make a bit more money before they destroy America and put the final nail in it's economy. Resistance is futile.
THAT'S how serious all this is. You can put it all off a few MONTHS.... no problem. Then we can, um, "save" the world. Shines a pretty good spotlight on what their goals are. Given their options on literally EVERYTHING they run, they have gone with the FUBAR choice. Every. Single. Time. The Border, Afghanistan, China, Energy, Economy, Summer of Love Riots, Constitutional Rights.... everything. Not even a whole year yet. Can hardly wait.
That's not incompetence.... although not a one of em I'd trust to tie their shoes correctly..... it's by design. If that's not clear then you could claim willful blindness as a disability so as to continue receiving your gov. don't go to work check.
There is ZERO evidence that mandates do anything. Not mask mandates not vax mandates. Remember Poopy and the media claiming everyone in FL and TX were gonna die? Are they held to ANYTHING they spout off about? Wrong again but hey, who's counting.... Pretty simple to compare the states with and without. But you have to do it yourself, they are doing all they can to silence facts and inconvenient truths. They even claim they have no numbers or studies on natural immunity WRT those who have had it. Sure they don't.
What IS clear is mandates and lockdowns destroy local economies, conditions citizenry into government compliance and creates total monsters who crave power and authority.
Outside the health issues and such..... never forget there are BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars on the table manipulated by the worlds largest government, currently run by the worst of mankind and joined at the hip with Globalist Corporations. Awesome.... what could go wrong? You want to trust them go right ahead. Count me out. I'll be over here sharpening stuff with the free citizens....
Except osha only has grit when it comes to hazards generated by the nature of the workplace. The virus, in this case, is not generated by the workplace. It has no validity.
I don't know if the shot is dangerous or not. I do know I only know one person personally that has died from Covid. I do know 4 people who have died with heart problems since taking the jab. I and my wife have chosen to wait until there is an alternative "vaccine" that is not Mrna. There are several that are undergoing phase III trails now.
We do have the luxury of not having to worry about about jobs as we are retired.
Terry
