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Bears-Glock 20 vs Springfield XDM Elite
The Springfield has my attention. It is 27 oz. And looks like a nice alternative to the different Glock models. Does anyone have any experience with this handgun?
Nice looking handgun there, Id love to test fire it! Loaded Glock 20 is nearly 40 ozs, XDM is looks like 27 as stated!
I've handled and shot both Glocks and Springfield XD's of various models and calibers. You can't go wrong with the Springfields in my opinion. I like the heaviness of the Glocks in some instances (range shooting), but not when I'm carrying all day in addition to being loaded down when hunting, fishing, hiking etc..
It's my go to gun!! But my assessment isn't a complete comparison since I do not have much experience with the glock 20. Springfield makes a good product. I have several and they are stand out shooters. Get one, you'll love it.
There are times I want a compact pistol and times I want a full size one. When it comes to bear protection, I’ll stick with the full size. More stopping power, more capacity, and a less recoil/muzzle rise. Plus, for multiple reasons, I prefer Glock to Springfields.
Smith and Wesson offers the M&P in 10mm now. That should be on your list.
They have a 15rd mag for it. I like the XD line. I'm a big revolver round guy for big bear country. But for black bear and 2 legged bears it might be a good fit.
Didn't realize S&W made one now. Love my Shield for EDC.
Is this for Grizzlies? Don't see a need for black bears.
Bear spray much more effective for grizz anyway.
You say that as if it is settled. Far from settled with regard to hanguns vs spray for grizzly.
Bowfreak, they dropped it just a few months ago. I was looking at a XD only because S&W wasn’t offering a 10mm.
Spray is effective but it gets windy on Kodiak
Well for once I agree with BEG!
Love my glock 20 but have not had to use it on a bear
Hang out with me on the non-political threads, spike! I bet we’ve got more in common than not!
Coming out of the holster I have a high hard grip, glocks eat my hand meat up… but I have not shot a gen5 with different back straps. My Springfield shoots great and doesn’t bite. I do believe the bore axis is slightly higher on the Springfield. I don’t think you can go wrong with either unless you have a problem like I do. I haven’t had any malfunctions with either.
If you’re looking for an excuse to buy a 10mm by all means go for it, but a 40 or even 9 with hard cast will be effective. When I was researching more bears have been killed with 9mm than any other cal… however I did not find the stat of how many 9mm didn’t kill the bear.
I haven't played with the Springfield but I love my Glock 20 sf for a bear carry gun. Its hands down the most accurate pistol I own!
The Springfields are awesome
I own 12 glocks and 4 Springfield’s and wish it was the other way.
They are both great handguns but at this point I would go with the Springfield
I still remember when Springfield started importing what would later become the XD series from Croatia back in the early 2000's. I immediately noted it to be more accurate, and superior in function to the Glock. My first one wasn't even stamped Springfield yet, and it was only $300
I have many Models, calibers and Brands and the XDM is one of my favorites for target and it is what I used for 3 gun shoots. Great gun for the money
For the OP. I should have added that one of the many brands I have is Glock, in different generations and calibers.
Have several Glocks. Every time I pull the trigger they go BANG. Several thousand rounds & not one malfunction!
I love my Glocks too. But when the XDM came out. It had custom type features that others didn’t add till years later. And usually at a higher cost
You have the 10mm? What ammo have you ran through it?
Sorry, I do not.
I was speaking for the platform not the Caliber.
I have Glocks too, but I'm old school and prefer the simplicity of a double action revolver that packs a punch. Not the lightest to carry, though.
I think it comes down to what fits you the best and what you shoot the best. I’ve got a Glock and an XD. I prefer the XD and it’s not even close. Also have a S&W 629 classic - just wouldn’t want to lug it around on an archery elk hunt.
What would be the recoil in that XD? I don't have a glock 20 but have shot one, that 10mm has some pop. I do own a 19 and the 20 had seriously more kick to it, especially with the hotter loads, that made more difference than I thought it would. Can't imagine shooting a lighter 10 for fun and practice. But you're right, the trade off is weight you're carrying all day. If you can handle it and get a bunch of good practice with it... likely be worth it. The idea is you only have to use it when you need it. And honestly don't need all that much practice if you're stickin' it down his throat... =D
Have you looked at the Glock 29? That would be a closer comparison weight/size wise? 32 oz I think with 10 round mag. (been looking....)
This thread needed more photos. By G20 bear gun. I run it off a chest holster (either Blackpoint Tactical or a Razco run off my bino harness). Run in that fashion, I don’t even notice the weight.
Nice setup BEG, what’s the lower one out of curiosity?
It’s the gun that’s been serving as my daily carry as of late. Glock 43X milled for a Holosun 407K.
If you’re looking for something light, the XDM is a better choice. Other than that, the Glock 20 is the way to go for a bear pistol. Higher capacity, less recoil, and more accurate. For a gun that is going to get beat up in the backcountry, I would only trust a Glock. They are made to last and are very very very reliable. My Glock 20 is my favorite pistol to shoot… only problem is 10mm ammo is hard to get and it’s wicked expensive because of that.
My XDM 10 with Underwood ammo has served me well at the range and in the field. Three years, lots of rounds and zero issues. We all like what we have money in.....usually.
Grey Ghost x2, lived in Ak and the simplest is the best.
I have a glock 29(10mm compact) it's a powerhouse for a compact pistol. I prefer the simplicity,reliability,durability and reputation of a glock. Many people trust their lives to them on a daily basis and I am in that category. I am by no means a pistol/gun expert this is just my humble opinion. I agree that the most important thing is to pick the pistol that fits you the best and the one that you shoot the best. I have found that I shoot the compact glocks better than the full size models, they just work for me. I also would rather have a 9mm with hardacst rather than throwing rocks or sticks.....lol......
I got into shooting Glocks and found them to be pretty good until I bought a P80 build kit which uses all Glock parts. The grip is far better in terms of size and angle then the Glocks. Give it a try you will never use a Glock grip again but yet you still can use all the reliable and simple parts.
Both good guns, shoot both and choose which you like best. I have the G20 and love it, a tack driver. Hard to beat a glock for reliability, certainly something to think about.
I don't know a single person that is good with a pistol ...and they never train with it. Zero
Springer/Glock- both good. Glock is the gold standard everything else is judged against.
I use a stock G20 in Big Bear country. Why? I train with Glocks a lot.
The first few times I shot Glocks I thought, "Brick with a crummy trigger, yuch" Then I shot with a Navy seal friend of my NFL buddies and he set me straight.
With no training, a great trigger [like in a 1911] makes a huge difference. As you become a better shooter, the trigger matters less.
I have 1500 rds through my G20, 700 of them Underwood 200g hardcast- with zero malfunctions. As long as you clean it about every 400 rds, no leading in the stock barrel.
I'm lucky to have a friends ranch where I can shoot steel plates. The best training aid there is is pictured here- a laser bullet. My wife is conditioned now to me shooting football players on the field while watching a game in the living room. A good way to get in a bunch of trigger pulls.
Glock is good but I’m not quite sure it’s the gold standard. A lot of people don’t like the grip angle so it takes a lot of getting used to. You would think that since the 80’s Glock would have at least rounded the slide so it wasn’t block shaped. I like my Glock 21 but can say I’ve shot a lot of great guns like my Sig 365xl. What drives me nuts is that some gun newbies act like Glock is the end all be all gun kinda like Mathews of the gun world.
By ‘ Gold Standard’ Im talking about reliability. Glock is as good as it gets for reliability.
My Springer TRP And Kimber 1911s are much easier for a rookie shooter to get hits with but both have had hiccups, FTFs.
Numero uno for a self defense gun is reliability. Glocks have a proven track record of going bang when its supposed to.
Worth noting, I take a lot of first timers shooting. My G17,G19, G20 have been 100% for me…. But not for some of ny daughters friends and women who dont grip the gun. The only pistol that Ive seen that is 100% with women is a H&K. You can literally shoot those between your thumb and forefinger and they will still function.
Agreed, Beendare. That’s why Glocks are carried by the vast majority of people who’s lives depend on their gun going bang when they pull the trigger. It’s also what I value most in a gun that will protect me from bears.
"I don't know a single person that is good with a pistol ...and they never train with it. Zero" You're welcome to guest at our club. A different assumption may be reached.
"Glock is the gold standard everything else is judged against." Wow, just wow!!
There is a reason why glocks are so popular, because they work when you need them to. Law enforcements relies on them and yes there are other guns that also shoot well and are reliable. I have a couple glocks and like them very much, but I also have some kahrs whcih I tend to carry more than a glock just becuase of size, but the reliability is second to none. It's a personal choice and what you shoot best, but if you or I had to choose just one gun I would choose a glock 20 hands down. Gator, there are plenty of folks who are good with pistols, but generally your average shooter needs a ton more practice.
Lots of Glock haters out there… and I dont get it. Before Glock showed up you had to shoot a wheel gun for 100% reliability. There are very few Glocks out of the factory that are not 100% reliable and if they aren’t they make them reliable on their dime.
Pretty no, reliable- absolutely (unless heavily modified)
Now there are many good choices and most are extremely reliable.
The glocks that fail are the ones modified, as the old saying goes "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Lenny wouldn't make his millions if he didn't sell the sizzle lol
I’m not gonna get into the Ford vs Chevy argument except to say I own several Glocks and no Springfields. One of my best friends does though and I’ve shot his a bit, and he’s shot them a lot. Good guns ! However, as soon as I can get my paws on an S&W M&P in 10mm, that’s what I’ll buy. I already have a G20 and a G40 with a reflex sight on it, but the M&P grip just fits me like a glove. That what I carry most every day, a Shield Plus Performance Center 9mm and it’s the best carry gun I’ve ever owned.
I wou;ld really like to hear from a guy or gal, who confronted a big bear with a pistolf.... I like to hear from someone who has been actually there in the moment.... Seems to me, if I was in that world, I would want a cut off 338 rifle or shotgun....
I have never been there,, but I have been there on the streets in the lower 48, I hung onto my 45, as long as I could, luckily when they forced the 40, I retired
When the shit hits the fan, your lucky to get off one if not 2 accurate shots, someone is shooting back...... I can just imagine how[ hard it would be on an animal, who only intents is to kill you
But what do I know,,,, I only know humans, been there done that, I bet a big bear is a bigger problem
Pick up a CZ P10-S if you think the Shield plus is nice. Another level of weapon. DG
I have faced humans,,, most hesitate, or have no idea of what they are doing,,,, I would imagine facing a brown or grizz, is pure terror
Nothing keeping you from lugging a shotgun or a 45/70 around. Most pistol ranges rent guns for you to try, shoot them all and see what fits you best. Easiest way to solve the problem, as far as being in front of a bear with a pistol, you won't know until it happens.
I would say GH you never faced a human fighter then. One that was gown to fight from time he could stand. One that can climb like goat in Mts that drawf the Rockies and does it without foot gear. One that can can engage men with a recoiless half a click or more out without sights. No hesitation just pure hate of the infidel.
Bears may well be terrifying but they Don’t shoot back. DG
What holster do you guys run while elk hunting with a g20?
I run a Razco holster off the bottom of my AGC bino pack.