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Ken Moody Safaris 25-May-22
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Bou'bound 25-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 25-May-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 25-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 25-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 25-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 26-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 26-May-22
lamb 26-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 26-May-22
wkochevar 26-May-22
huntinelk 26-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 27-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 28-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 28-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 28-May-22
Bou'bound 29-May-22
hunt forever 29-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-May-22
wildwilderness 31-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 31-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 31-May-22
RonP 31-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 31-May-22
wildwilderness 31-May-22
RK 31-May-22
Ken Moody Safaris 01-Jun-22
hunt forever 20-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 21-Jun-22
groundhunter50 21-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 21-Jun-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 21-Jun-22
drycreek 21-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 23-Jun-22
RK 23-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 29-Jun-22
Bou'bound 29-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 29-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 29-Jun-22
Bou'bound 29-Jun-22
BullBuster 29-Jun-22
Highlife 29-Jun-22
RK 29-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
BullBuster 30-Jun-22
g5smoke21 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
Bou'bound 30-Jun-22
Matt 30-Jun-22
APauls 30-Jun-22
BullBuster 30-Jun-22
Ken Moody Safaris 30-Jun-22
BullBuster 01-Jul-22
Bou'bound 01-Jul-22
Missouribreaks 01-Jul-22
Bou'bound 01-Jul-22
fuzzy 02-Jul-22
fuzzy 03-Jul-22
drycreek 03-Jul-22
JSW 03-Jul-22
BullBuster 04-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
wildwilderness 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Bou'bound 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Bou'bound 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
fuzzy 05-Jul-22
wildwilderness 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Bou'bound 05-Jul-22
Whatthefoc 05-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 05-Jul-22
Stekewood 06-Jul-22
RK 06-Jul-22
Ken Moody Safaris 07-Jul-22
25-May-22

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42” Plus
Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
42” Plus
We’ve been busy with cape buffalo the last two weeks…Six bulls shot, five in the salt.

25-May-22

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39” Plus
Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
39” Plus

25-May-22

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42”
Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
42”

25-May-22

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40”
Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
40”

25-May-22

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44 5/8”
Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
44 5/8”

25-May-22
The late rains and ultra green, thick foliage is making it tough but we’re getting it done. All of the buff taken from day 5 on. If you’re looking for walk and stalk adventure and close range encounters, contact me to make that happen. Will keep posting as the buffalo hit the salt.

25-May-22
That last buffalo is huge, carrying his mass deep down the horn.

From: Bou'bound
25-May-22
they all look massive to me!

25-May-22
They all look great. But that 44” is special

25-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Better photo of that was 39” bull. Didn’t like the first one I posted.

25-May-22
That 44 is a tank. Damnnn

25-May-22
He definitely has the hooks. The mass throughout the horns is superb. Really heavy.

25-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
He has a massive body as well. Thick neck, huge girth. Great buffalo.

25-May-22

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Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
He’s Like this brute I saw in Kruger a few weeks ago

25-May-22

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Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo

26-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
57” Kudu bull hit the salt. Free range, Botswana border.

26-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
57” Kudu bull hit the salt. Free range, Botswana border.

From: lamb
26-May-22
save a buffalo for me!

26-May-22
No worries Dave. Just keep your broadheads sharp :)

From: wkochevar
26-May-22
Do you have blinds set up on the salt or stalk in?

From: huntinelk
26-May-22
Don't kill them all before I get there...

26-May-22
Wkochevar, I think when Ken says “In the salt” or “ hit the salt” he means the skull and hide being put in the salt shed. They store the skulls and hides in salt until the taxidermist picks them up.

27-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo

28-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
48” Sable bull, last morning on departure day! Tremendous bull.

28-May-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo

28-May-22
Wow! What a bull

28-May-22
A 48” Sable bull is tremendous. It certainly didn’t look that big when we saw it. I thought 45” initially but once back at the skinning shed, the tape corrected my assumption. I’m so happy for our returning clients from Texas. They both shot buffalo last season and this year, a buff and this sable.

From: Bou'bound
29-May-22
Would a 30-06 180grain nosler partition take care of a Buffalo

From: hunt forever
29-May-22
Ken, Do you feel it will dry up by the end of June and and leaves fall?

30-May-22
The Nosler Partition was a great bullet in its day and still does very well but IMO the Swift A Frame is superior. A 30/06 can kill a buffalo eventually :) but the .375 H&H Mag is the smallest legal caliber to hunt them in most places. The best all around caliber for buffalo is any of the .416s…yes, it is still very wet here and has rained off and on throughout May. Everything is still very green and thick but it dries out quickly and I think by the end of June it will come right. The wet veldt makes it tough to pattern buffalo tho. Their drinking patterns are erratic.

31-May-22
Wow, a 48” sable is amazing!

Ken, what’s your recommended bullet and velocity range for a 375 Ruger for buff?

31-May-22
If you hand load use Swift A Frames or Barnes TSX with 300 grain bullets pushing 2000fps or better.

31-May-22
If you don’t hand load, the standard ammo offered in Hornady DGX will work. The new Hornady offerings are much better than their old stuff. The standard factory ammo pushes the 300 grain Hornady at 2600+.

From: RonP
31-May-22
ken, thanks for sharing.

those that are rifle kills, what is a typical shot distance?

31-May-22
Around 50 - 60 yards.

31-May-22
When are solid/ non expanding bullets recommended?

From: RK
31-May-22
Some really great animals across the board. Good Buffalo!!

01-Jun-22
Clients should really only use softs. Solids are for backing up as penetration is key to stopping a charging buffalo which must be hit in the brain or spine to stop. You might turn a charge with a well placed shot but to stop it ultimately, you need to hit the brain or spine. Softs expend more energy into the buffalo and cause more internal damage. Clients really shouldn’t bother with solids unless hunting elephant or rhino. A solid can also pass thru one buffalo and hit another. Just stick with quality softs like the A frame.

From: hunt forever
20-Jun-22
Ken what size were the bases on those Buffalo?

21-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Cannot say. Didn’t measure anything but the spread. Here’s an old warrior we dropped yesterday. Client was using a Chapuis double rifle in 450/400. Two shots close range.

21-Jun-22
Those side by side rifles are so "classy", they just speak Africa............ Wow what a big animal,,,,,,

21-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
It’s a sweet rifle. Much lighter than my Merkel .470. Did a number on the buffalo as well. The 450/400 3” and 3 1/4” are two of my favorite calibers in a double.

21-Jun-22
Just reading those calibers makes my shoulder sore….

From: drycreek
21-Jun-22
Good Lord Ken, those are some old warriors for sure. Thanks for this thread.

23-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
30” Nyala bull hit the salt today.

From: RK
23-Jun-22
Wow. Very impressive. Don’t see a lot of true 30s. Congrats to the Hunter and good job to the PH

29-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Grounded another today. Client from Quebec. First shot was good but the buffalo wasn’t impressed. Brought in the dogs and they were on him in about 300 yards. Buffalo bayed a bit then ran, bayed and ran, and finally broke out of the thickets where we could hit with one from my .470 Nitro, two from a .500 Nitro, and two from the client’s .375. Buff made it about another 100 yards and fell. He was in some of the thickets stuff you can find. Good dogs for wounded buffalo are life savers.

From: Bou'bound
29-Jun-22
And people bowhunt these things?

29-Jun-22
First shot on this buffalo ruptured the aorta. The blood trail was significant but he still ran 300 or so yards, and circled back to our flank, as they usually do, waiting on us. The dogs jumped him and ran him out of the thorns and thickets where it took another five good shots to ultimately drop him. Cape Buffalo are different.

29-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo

29-Jun-22
Bou’ That is why you bow hunt them. The unpredictability :>)))

From: Bou'bound
29-Jun-22
That's why when people bowhunt them a lot die due to lead poisoning. The guys who truly kill one with a bow have done something amazing.

From: BullBuster
29-Jun-22
The first picture of this thread is of me. The top 4 hunters were my group of buddies. The 4th pic looks like a success by Moody, but its misleading. They were stalking my friend's wounded buff and saw that one and shot it. Wrong buff. Here is the description of the hunt that the 4 of us booked: " This is a newly acquired reserve on the boundary of the Kruger, others similar to this you may have heard of are the Balule, Kalserie, Mthimkulu, Timbavati, etc. The fence between the 5 million acre park and this reserve will be permanently removed in July 2018 - thus hunting will commence in 2019. This will allow the grossly over grown population (in the park) of buffalo, elephant and other game to have more area to roam - and I assure you they will." What we got was a caged hunt. None of us would have booked this hunt had we known. Lots of other bad things. We are all really pissed. Unethical outfitter.

From: Highlife
29-Jun-22
Got the popcorn ??

From: RK
29-Jun-22
I think he should proceed with any legitimate complaints Just like any other hunt report

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Love to wake up in Africa to a bit of nonsense. I’ve always believed that social media retaliatory posts fall within the realm of bitter teenage girls and men with no sack. I don’t like participating in such childishness, but when silly accusations are made, my hand is forced… Point 1… The venue change occurred due to the closure of the area. As you can see, official hunting there was due to commence in 2019 on a limited basis and fully implemented in 2020, but as I recall, a certain worldwide event occurred in late 2019 and carried over into 2020 when no international travel was allowed. Many hunting/touring operations closed their doors as no income forced them to. The APNR area near Kruger Park discussed was one of those. Infrastructure was in place but in light of absolutely no business, this new area was abandoned. Management cut their losses and pulled out. My company had deposited $23,000 there and that was not recovered. A hard knock but we carried on and never went to our clients with this information. We simply honored their deposits. It was the ethical thing to do. Venues in Africa change from time to time due to many factors, but Covid’s impact on the industry here cannot be overstated…Above is the contract signed by this particular individual, clearly showing the hunting area was to be Limpopo North, not the area originally discussed. Limpopo North is exactly where he hunted.

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Point 2…The buffalo pictured that he claims I’m trying to pass off as something it is not was, in fact, shot by me and my team. We had tracked the client Roger’s wounded buffalo for a over five hours and when we got our dogs on the scene, continued with the track which led to the river. As we stopped for a quick rest, a bull jumped from upon the track and charged up the hill towards one of my PHs. It ran past him and I told him to shoot it after which I shot it as well. When we inspected it, we discovered it was not the wounded bull but one that was lying in a thicket directly upon the track of the wounded one. I would have shot this bull 100 out of 100 times as everything indicated it was the wounded bull and leaving an injured buffalo to hurt or kill someone else is something you do your utmost to prevent. I’ve attached a photo of a post I made about it on another thread clearly stating that it was me who shot this bull. No one is trying to hide anything. I paid in full for the buffalo and we carried on.

30-Jun-22
Point 3…The cage referenced is over 5,700 hectares (14,000 plus acres). The other cages we hunt are similar in size. These areas of Limpopo North are huge, thick, and challenging.

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Point 4…Unethical? “We are all really pissed.” Interesting…The other members of the group don’t see it that way. In fact, on 20 June, a rifle hunter killed the buffalo that was previously wounded by Roger. The broadhead was found during skinning and recovered. As ‘unethical’ as I am, I didn’t keep it quiet and pocket his trophy fee (only three of us knew what happened). No, I sent him an email with a photo of the broadhead and told him what had happened and that his wounded bull had been recovered and that he was owed a buffalo from me.

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Here is Roger’s reply.

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
One of the other “really pissed” hunters in the group contacted me about a return to hunt our Zululand area which is free range.

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
The other member of the group also approached me and asked about a return with his wife next year. We discussed at length and he too, left very happy. In fact, the perpetrator of this bullshit also inquired about a return if I would just let him extort me for a break on his hunt as claimed he had ‘issues’ with his PH. I did offer one as an appeasement but why, if I’m so ‘unethical’ would he and his ‘really pissed off’ friends all want to return?

30-Jun-22
In business, especially the hunting business, you’ll get a client from time to time that cannot be satisfied for whatever reason. Many times the client’s inability to shoot well results in the blaming of others for the misfortunes of wounding game. Now, I’ve got another buffalo to hunt this afternoon. I hope everyone has a very good day!

From: BullBuster
30-Jun-22
Here we go. Moody is like CNN vs Trump. Everything out of context. Except for Roger (who is pissed out fences), we made these comments because we thought Moody may possibly make up for the injustices that he did too us. These are my best buddies. I can’t speak for Roger because I haven’t talked to him recently, but other than him I guarantee that none of us will return. And yes we signed on to Limpopo North because we thought it was the free range venue along Kruger. He will continue to try to discredit me in every way he can. It’s interesting how many PMs I’m getting from guys that agree to his past deceit. Check out the Outfitter Review I wrote.

From: g5smoke21
30-Jun-22
You look pretty happy in your kill photo.....

30-Jun-22
If you are continuing to have “issues,” pick up the phone and call me like a man might do. You know what time it is in Africa.

From: Bou'bound
30-Jun-22
The guys has decades of support and positive references on this site and elsewhere for his current and prior operations. I'd hunt with him any day if Africa was of interest. Any day.

From: Matt
30-Jun-22
The smiles in the trophy pics above just cry "injustice".

From: APauls
30-Jun-22
So BullBuster just for context it looks like Ken explained why the area was changed to Limpopo North and that you signed a contract to hunt Limpopo north. Your team continued to hunt and shot buffalo. However, it is obvious your expectations were not met. What were your expectations?

From: BullBuster
30-Jun-22
Ken just sent us a contract. He never said there was a change. We had no idea that Limpopo North was not the hunt that was sold to us along Kruger. We only booked the hunt because it was described as free range. When we arrived in Johannesburg, the day before going to camp, we learned that the camp was not near Kruger. So I emailed Ken and said what’s the deal? That was the first time that he told us that he had lost that concession but we were hunting self propagating Buffalo and we would be happy. Again never mention fences. What were you gonna gonna do, turn around and go home? When we got there it was a caged hunt for sure. Never an apology. No compensation. There is no arguing this point. He even sold the meat to a butcher for additional profit. His website had said meat was donated to local communities. This is just tip of the iceberg.

30-Jun-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
This safari, originating in 2018 (four years ago) was booked thru a booking agent who provided the narrative and description of venue. He booked about a dozen buffalo hunts for us that year at various locations based on where our quota was available. As you can see from the email sent to this individual in 2019, I stated “depending on venue” when describing how far we were from Johannesburg. He never questioned the venue then. We plan the hunts based on where we have available quota. The venue mentioned by the agent, failed to open as previously stated. We simply planned around that, and contracted the hunt for Limpopo North. Contracts were signed without any questions regarding venue location. Yes, meat shot in Limpopo is mine and I sell it outright. It’s then sold thru local butcheries to the local populace. Meat shot in the North West is donated to the local village as they control the hunting on the property. Meat shot in Zululand, the same. It’s kept there. Caged hunt is the most misleading, dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

30-Jun-22

From: BullBuster
01-Jul-22
4-7 hours travel depending on venue? Excuse my naivety. I thought venue might have referred to property where we’re going to stay. 1.5 hours north of Kruger vs 1.5 hours south is a 3 hour difference. I had complete trust so I never questioned anything.

From: Bou'bound
01-Jul-22
You got a great bull. Nice job.

01-Jul-22
Interesting read.

From: Bou'bound
01-Jul-22
You got a great bull. Nice job.

From: fuzzy
02-Jul-22
I try to avoid your threads Ken to avoid "the Africa itch". Keep telling myself I'm too old for that shit. Lol

From: fuzzy
03-Jul-22
Bullbuster, I'm not sure what you mean by a "caged hunt ". Was Mr Moodys description of the situation inaccurate? I've never hunted Africa, probably never will. I have hunted Stateside with Ken and never known him to mis-state, understate, overstate, prevaricate, sugar-coat or otherwise do more or less than state the situation bluntly as he sees it.

From: drycreek
03-Jul-22
I can’t get over 14,000 acres being a cage. I hunted a 16,000 acre cage once with RK, never saw the fence except entering and leaving. Fouteen thousand acres aint the King Ranch, but it is still a big chunk of real eastate.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but if I was gonna hunt buff, Ken is the guy I’d go with.

From: JSW
03-Jul-22
Ken, It's great to see continued success, especially with the bow hunts. Cape Bufallo are not easy to get with a bow and you have provided solid opportunities for many a bowhunter.

I keep telling you maybe next year but I've just about talked myself into it. I'll be in touch when you get back to the states. Goiod luck on the rest of the season.

From: BullBuster
04-Jul-22
During the first 3 days of my hunt I was told 15k ac but that’s a joke. The total property may be that but it’s divided into fenced square sections that are cut up by parallel sandy roads forming blocks . These sections connect to each other by gates that are left open so game can theoretically cross. We were driving and turning along fences constantly and trying to isolate the herd within the blocks. Some of the ranches after that were larger but not all. The 5th afternoon we were driving by a waterhole and the bull I eventually shot stepped out in front of us on the road. We backed out then started a slow stalk. My bull cut to the right (no wind) and other tracks to the left. Trackers wanted to go right but my PH said no and we went to to left looking for other bull tracks. Then he called it off as usual after only 200 yds. I said let’s go after the big bull but PH said no I don’t want to push him. We can try to drive around and see if he comes out. WTF! Next mid day they put me on that same water hole with an African tracker. The PH was so addicted to cigarettes he couldn’t sit at a water hole with me. He asked me if I’d shoot a buff from water blind and I said I guess I would on day 6 because things weren’t going well but that was not my preference. At 13:00 I shot my bull. Turns out the PH was watching me on live video from the lodge. I later found out he knew that bull was coming into that water hole every day so that’s why he wouldn’t pursue it the day before. That my friends is a caged hunt.

05-Jul-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
The ‘Cage’ is 14,100 acres

05-Jul-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
Within the ‘cage’ is an agricultural area of 1100 acres where citrus and cattle are farmed. Outside of the ag area is 13,000 acres of wild bush and hunting. This is where we hunt. The camp is within the ag area so that it can be monitored against theft. To access the bush you will obviously go thru gates and around the fenced in agriculture which is fenced to keep the game out of it.

05-Jul-22
Sounds like your first time to Africa?

Lack of due diligence on your part is not fault of others….

You still killed the buff as well. Could have switched to a plains game hunt I imagine.

Or if you were truly an idealist could have left and gone home and tried to recoup damages… but you did sign the contract.

05-Jul-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
We do not hunt property, we hunt the animals upon it. Along with my PHs, we scouted the area to find where the buffalo were moving for this particular hunt. It was the first hunt of the season and we were going in cold. For two days we hit every water source in the area and found that nearly all the buffalo activity was concentrated in the north and east. This is where we concentrated our efforts for three or four days with this group so yes, we weren’t there to conduct game drives but kill buffalo. They were not exposed to the rest of the property for that reason.

05-Jul-22
In SA we generally have a decent road network wherever we hunt and we use it because we’re not stupid. When hunting buffalo, we try and locate where they are drinking and then find an acceptable track to follow. You have to then determine how old the track is. If it’s last nights track you follow it until it hits a two track, dirt road. You then normally drive around the ‘block’ the buffalo entered and see if you can locate tracks indicating where they may have moved thru and into another block. You do this until you can isolate the block that the buffalo are in. These blocks can be anywhere from 50 to a few hundred acres. Once that’s determined, you get the wind and track into the block if it’s early enough. If it’s closer to midday, the wind will usually begin to start swirling and the buffalo will be laying down, not the way you want to find them. In that case, you pull out and return to the area in the late afternoon to try and catch them up and feeding. This is how you hunt buffalo using the roads and terrain available to you. In areas without a road network (Zimbabwe for instance), you haven’t any blocks to use so you start straight away on the track and follow it for hours to the buffalo. If there are any roads, you’ll certainly take advantage of them. This is not a novel hunting technique. It’s funny though as we didn’t kill a single buffalo in this ‘cage’ even with numerous encounters and attempts. Guess we need a much smaller cage.

05-Jul-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
We hunt 8 areas in the northern Limpopo and bagged all the buffalo on this hunt from two of the others available to us. When the next buffalo hunter arrived, we started again in the northeast here on the main property but, after two days of hunting, discovered that they had moved to another part in the property. I sent the client off property where he bagged a tremendous bull while I tried to sort out the herd here. We found them in the western portion of the hunting area, taking residence in terribly thick bush. We also located a single bull track that had wandered into the eastern side.

From: Bou'bound
05-Jul-22
Honestly this sounds like a class A type problem for the hunter that most people will have a very difficult time empathizing with

You went to Africa with one of the best outfitters out there you killed a cape buffalo and a nice one at that. you did it 100% with a bow with no gun drama follow up that seems to often accompany bowhunts

In the end you may have preferred that some of the details of the story were a bit more traditional or romantic but that’s not necessarily hunting and you did what anyone would do which is take reasonable advantage of the opportunity to be successful given the situation and given the fact that everything you were doing made total sense and was perfectly legitimate.

The things in your mind that stop this from being the world class experience you would have preferred to be able to articulate apparently really weren’t that important. We know this because unless you left out the part about being forced at gunpoint to hunt where and how you were told, and to shoot what you were told to, you were the one that voluntarily agreed to the hunting plan. You said you were six days in and it was your best option so that was the way to do it. Sounds smart to most of us I assume. On day six that waterhole blind vs. spot and stalk must have seemed to you like the way to go since that was the way you went. Again, unless you left out the part about being forced to hunt there and that way.

You were fully aware of what the blind sit entailed, i.e. being in the blind versus sneaking through the tall grass. You certainly realized when you were sitting in that blind that you weren’t stalking animals out on the savannah. Would you have been preferring to sit in a blind that had no activity or did the outfitter do the right thing by putting you in a place where the object of your pursuit actually had a chance of showing up.

I’m sure in the outfitters' mind the fact you were sitting in a hot water hole with some thing known to be visiting it was on the plus side of the ledger for your hunt and not a negative. Should he have put you somewhere where Buffalo hadn’t been seen for weeks?

You were pleased enough with the animal and the conditions to voluntarily kill it so why now turn it in to some type of abomination of hunting etiquette and protocol?

Based on the above that you have shared and Ken shared it seems like everyone did the right thing and the best thing they could do to satisfy the other in the moment. The result seems to be that the goal you left the united states to accomplish, which was taking a great buffalo with your bow and in a way that was acceptable enough for you to execute if and when the opportunity arose, was what happened.

Yep definitely seems like a class A type problem.

05-Jul-22

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Ken Moody Safaris's embedded Photo
My tracker and I sat along the fringe of the block of thicket the buffalo were in at this stage, and discovered they came out onto an open field just at dusk.

From: Bou'bound
05-Jul-22

05-Jul-22
We hunted this part of the area with our next client and had one chance at a great bull at 60 yards but the wind gave us up and the herd stampeded and ran. We’ve just now this week taken two bulls off our main property. We don’t do caged hunts.

05-Jul-22

From: fuzzy
05-Jul-22
What I'm reading is "I consistently disagreed with the person assigned to facilitate my hunt. When I finally agreed to follow instructions I was successful. One guy was a smoker and I dislike smokers. There were roads and fences. We used the roads to get to hunting areas. I don't like roads or fences. I never saw Tarzan because he avoids roads and fences. The staff had done due diligence in patterning movements of a trophy bull and placed me in a likely location for a shot. I'd have preferred to have a blundered onto a huge bull by using my own superior instinct for African hunting"

05-Jul-22

wildwilderness's embedded Photo
Failure Grizz stik Alaskan?
wildwilderness's embedded Photo
Failure Grizz stik Alaskan?
I would say this was a Broadhead failure- broken ferrule on that wounded buff-. (Finished with a rifle?)

says Alaskan so it’s a Grizzly stik- they tout Ashby design but I thought the first rule was Broadhead integrity! Is the problem the steel they use? Process?

I would not use those on big animals….

05-Jul-22
We recommend two broadhead types that have worked repeatedly with us; the old, original German Kinetics and the new Iron Will Buff heads. These are consistent performers. Of the two, the IW is number 1. Penetrates well and is extremely tough. The GK doesn’t appear to be very solid for buffalo but they seem to hold together…the head pictured struck the shoulder area and achieved minimum penetration. Yes, the shearing at the ferrule is concerning. This particular buffalo was tracked for two days but not recovered. It was killed by a rifle hunter about 7 weeks later and we found this head in the buffalo’s stomach.

From: Bou'bound
05-Jul-22

05-Jul-22
It’s also worth mentioning that the money is already paid. There is no additional trophy fee for the bull.

An unscrupulous PH would want to leave that paid for bull for the next hunt. And the next. Every mature bull killed is 8 or more years to replace.

From: Whatthefoc
05-Jul-22
Ken - I’m confused. How did the broadhead that hit the shoulder with minimal penetration end up in the stomach?

05-Jul-22
Broadheads can migrate once inside an animal and this one worked it’s way into the buffalo’s stomach as it wasn’t lodged in any bone.

From: Stekewood
06-Jul-22
Are you saying that the broadhead migrated from the shoulder area to inside the stomach? Even if it made it that far, how would it get through the stomach wall? Osmosis? ;-)

From: RK
06-Jul-22
Steve. African Magic No other reason. It happened some in India back in the day also with Tigers

07-Jul-22
Broadheads can work their way into many places within a large animal over time. This is not even the weirdest I’ve seen. A small, two blade, 1” wide broadhead can migrate inside a wounded animal as it moves. This particular wound was 7 weeks old. The shot was near the shoulder/neck area, struck something and the broadhead sheared at the ferrule, the balance of the arrow falling out. It was not impacted in any bone so it was free to ‘swim’ it’s way thru the bull. This is not as uncommon as you think.

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