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So doing absolutely nothing, no vaccine no boosters, and only a 3.3% of hospitalization or death. Remember the original Delta variant was roughly 80% mild or asymptomatic, with 15-20% hospitalization or death. So the Omicron while spreading faster is far less dangerous on a case per case basis.

Keep that in mind as they roll out the midterm variant with sirens and lights and general MSM hysteria. Long live the purebloods!! ??

I think people will dive right back in just like they did the first time.

The last 6.5 years has totally dimmed my view of humanity and I didn’t think that was possible.

Remarkably uniformed and ridiculous statement. Do you have any other broad-sweeping statements you'd like to apply to all people of another occupation? I know of a teacher who had sex with an under-aged student-- are all teachers pedophiles? I know of a cop who stole money from his department- are they all criminals too? Just curious how far your ridiculous stereotypes go?

If you take the worst of the bunch from any group of people (and every group has them), and assume all members of that group are similar, then you'll assume every group of people on earth sucks. Of course if you assume not all of any group of people are well represented by the liars, criminals, and scum, then you might have a little better/clearer picture of things. See it however you want... The bad rap that real scientists have gotten through this deal has been interesting and disappointing. Big pharma and politics are to blame, not science or scientists. Because some idiot mouth piece for the feds claims to be a scientist shouldn't discredit scientists, it should discredit him and politicians.

One more thing-- if you think big pharma is a representative of science or scientists, you're misinformed. They employ scientists, but are simply big business. They are money making machines and care about the bottom line.

I'm sure that will stir this hornet's nest! But the take I quoted is a great example of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Have a nice day!

And Thornton's front line report doesn't sound like Covid is a scam either.

Covid is what it is. It's real, for most it's an inconvenience, for others a serious, expensive illness, and for others it's death. Take prudent precautions, live your life based upon your situation and the community transmission risk at the time. For some that means it might make sense to get vaccinated, properly wear a good mask, avoid crowds. Those things all reduce risk. If you think your risk is low then don't take any precautions. Make decisions based upon reality not based on what the nutcases at either end of the spectrum twist up.

By the way, for those reluctant to try the MRNA type vaccine, there is now a completely conventional vaccine approved.

They didn't separate out the death number in this article. But with 3.3% including all hospitalizations the death number has gotta be very small. It could be statistically near-zero among the healthy unvaccinated for all we know.

The takeaway is more of a relative comparison from the original Delta to the Omicron now. You will probably hear all kinds of fearful panic on the news. I thought it important to know that Omicron is many times less dangerous in a measurable way.

Thank you! A good day to you as well!

As well as the huge increase in young athletes dying from myocarditis and other healthy young people having serious injuries from these injections with a higher injury rate than all other vaccines over the last 30 years…

And still as yet unknown long term effects of these injections…

What is needed is Nuremberg 2.0, speedy trial, and swift, very public executions.

There are 45,000 flights a day in the USA. If 1,350 of them crashed every day would you fly?

Only applies to the ones that can't perform well on their own so they need an easy lunch ticket and will say anything to get it.

HDE- spot on.

AZ- sorry dude, you're insane. You really should seek professional help.

Right right. No one in my Family got the shot or masked or social distanced or any of that bs nonsense. No one I know who didn't submit to the x-serums regret not taking them; no one. We haven't had our GOD given DNA altered and we are not suffering from the vaids or myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attacks, blood clots, strokes, infertility, SADS, sterility, bells palsy, neuropathies, monkeypox or any other diseases associated with a chemically weakened or destroyed immune system. As far as med pros go, I am staying as far away from them as I can. My faith in modern medicine and its drug pushers has forever been destroyed. Just like my faith in the concept of Equal Justice under the Law.

One final note Scoot. You can in fact change my mind. It just takes reasonable conversation and good logical arguments, and I believe you have conducted yourself fairly. That good day you and I talked about? It started when we woke up this morning. So carry on, and make it its fullest!

I'll admit my vested interest to you here- I am a scientist. My title at work is "Scientist" and I do science for a living. I can promise you that my science hasn't been impacted one bit by any of this. I truly don't know one other scientist (and I know a lot) who has let their objectivity be impacted by any of it. Are there some? Heck ya! But the vast, vast majority of scientists are not "money whores" and most of us just want to do good work that makes a positive difference in the lives of people.

Again, please have a wonderful day.

Your friend,

Pete

CDC data (link) is demonstrating a vastly diminished protection from vaccination against death for Omicron as compared to Delta. But even though death rates for the unvaccinated have declined substantially under Omicron as compared to Delta, that rate is still ~6x higher for the unvaccinated. I agree with the notion that there is much less benefit to vaccination today than 1.5 years ago, but there is still a benefit.

Let’s go shoot a round at my Club and then grab a beer. Sounds like it’d go well.

Unless you’re compound guys. Total Deal-Breaker there…. ;)

That is false according to sheep, they only exist on the other side. ;-)

"Way more cases, less lethal and zero hospital admittance...Kind of like Matt pointed out!"

A friend works in a local hospital and is a COVID fear-er. When I spoke with her last week she said her hospital was full....with discretionary surgeries. Not seeing the COVID hospitalization to any significant degree anymore.

He told me he recommends the covid vaccine. I'll listen to his recommendations before I listen to the armchair transmissible disease specialists of the bowsite, internet, conspiracy theorists, radical political groups, or any other medically uneducated people.

I am also wary of folks who put their trust into websites spreading misinformation on covid, just like the misinformation on the main stream media. The folks who follow these consiracy theory websites are like lemmings walking out to sea to their death.

Get educated from reliable, educated sources and make an informed decision on the vaccine, or any other matter. Then be confident in your choice and live your life. It's nobody's business but your own.

Pete, just so we're clear- I'm 100% good with being called a whore. Just please don't call me money whore!

Meh, I've moved on from that now though. I'm more focused on how to get a beer with Pete and Corax!

It is not surprising that people are still parroting things that are untrue about COVID. Looks like some people still believe a bunch of athletes died due to COVID vaccines. The grand irony in all this is first claim of this related to the 6/12/20 cardiac arrest death of Danish soccer player Christian Eriksen. He actually had not been vaccinated against COVID. Some just want to believe (or more specifically, some people with an agenda just want others to believe) that his death was in clearly caused by a vaccine he had not been given.

The big problem, of course, is that Americans have lost faith in our government. Republicans more than democrats, but both believe they are lied to by the politicians/government on a regular basis. Some loonies extrapolate that to a "everything is a lie" stance, which also isn't true. Some of these loonies say a lot of accurate things (not AZ- he's just certifiable) which makes me think "yep, yep, that's right". Then all of a sudden they go off the deep end and my brain hits the skids and I not only don't agree with them, but they are so out of touch I don't want them on my side anymore!

As far as what Republicans really believe in your poll, I just chalk it up to a total lack of faith and trust in our (now lib led) federal government. They could report today that the sky is blue and a lot of Republicans won't accept it because of the source. But... ya lie to a group enough and that group will quit believing anything you say (even when it's true). ... and no investigation or study (which folks will claim as paid for and not one iota objective) will change their mind.

I knew I should have never opened this thread! Haha! Actually i made 2 new friends, so it's all good!

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/07/covid-vaccination-remember-when-i-said-id-wait-until-the-human-test-trials-are-over

Anyway, I believe this whole Covid thing was concocted on purpose as just one more means of pitting us all against one another, and ain't that the ultimate goal anyway, to divide and conquer? It's working!

Brotsky- deal!

AZ- the common denominator to your posts is you. That's the only thing that ties any of that nonsense together.

Not at all, and here's why. We don't have to look back too far to see actual Democratic responses to elections they legitimately believed they had won by virtue of their candidate having received more popular votes but having lost the electoral vote (they mostly just didn't understand the rules). The big difference here is that fact pattern actually occurred - twice (2016 and 2000), whereas there has been no compelling proof to support Trumps claims that there was any material manipulation which affected the 2020 election results. When the dems lost there wasn't a large contingent of their voter base that went down the conspiracy theory rat hole and there was no storming the capital. None of that ridiculousness.

Peripherally related, In Yavapai County, AZ 2 elections officials are leaving their jobs because of threats they have received surrounding Trump's loss in the 2020 elections. What is lost on many is that both election officials are Republicans and Trump won the county by a 2-1 margin.

Are we all OK with that? I for one am not. IMO we need to stop believing that this nonsense doesn't represent a threat to our republic at some level. People need to start getting their heads on straight (or yank them out of their asses) or I fear there will be severe consequences.

"That's the only thing that ties any of that nonsense together."

For the win

All, not some, but all of your referenced websites are dominated by bigoted, alt-right conspiracy theorists. Your credibility is severely compromised by referencing them.

A pinch sore this early AM.

I'm ex-military so getting yet another shot is nothing for me.

Good luck, Robb

Yeah… everyone at the station that got vaxed, got sick. But Ermine can only credit his health and lack of COVID to the fact that the rest of the crew sacrificed themselves to get vaxed?!?! Lol!

Are you actually listening to yourself right now?

And you wonder why nobody takes the whole COVID thing seriously?

I also find it ironic we have guys talking about election fraud. How ignorant it is there is no proof to believe what your eyes and ears tell you. I wasn’t aware that any state heard a case that really mattered. But, don’t let that stop the condescending preaching and Edumication you are giving the dumb ones.

I guess life is all about perspective. I’m glad we have the smart ones to guide the dumb among us.

What a bunch self righteous, condescending, shame mongering pieces of intellectuals we have as bowsite regulars. We are so lucky there are three to four of them to tell us that all the time.

Like many things in life we can't be experts at everything so some things you have to do your best with the information available and advice from others who you trust and should be better informed.

Unfortunately, the government is making incorrect choices on all sorts of issues right now so what should be a source to take seriously is currently carrying very little weight.

Finally caught the dreaded virus on a trip to Houston a couple of weeks ago. Happy that my God Given immune system worked and I thank Him for that. Was tired and had a headache for two days.

My wife got hit a bit harder, probably because she went to work and didn't rest. She is going on 2 weeks without being able to smell or taste.

Yup. All the draconian mandates for masks, shots, injuries from the shots, shutting down businesses, and stripping people of their God Given Rights was and is totally worth it... If you are in favor of destroying personal freedom and instituting a totalitarian one-world government order with no rights - unless you are part of the "elite"!

All that being said, I am 100% on the same page with you in our take on how shameful many people's behavior was after the election and how ridiculous some people's take is on whether Trump lost the election or not (he lost folks, just admit it). Believe it or not, it's ok to be a conservative Republican and make the statement I just did. Many don't believe that to be the case, but it is.

Ermine, I'm glad to hear you have stayed healthy through the whole deal. I 100% support your right to choose whether to get the vax or not and I'm glad your decision has worked out well for you. I got vaxed because I believe it was the right choice for me (and my wife and kids), but that was my choice. Fortunately the libs haven't taken away our ability to make our own personal health choices (yet).

That said, I met a epidemiologist while fly fishing in Wyoming a few weeks ago. We discussed how the Covid variants have had progressively milder symptoms. He then made a prediction that raised my eyebrow. He said that he feared the “next go around is going to be worse than the first.” He didn’t go into specifics, and I didn’t ask for any. But it did give me reason for pause.

Matt

The risk of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 is many times higher than the risk of getting it from the vaccines. This information is well-documented and has been available for months. It is interesting to me that people want to blame the thing that is less likely to be the cause while totally overlooking the thing that is more likely to be the cause, and which can be protected against by the less likely cause.

People are going to see what they want to see...

Certainly truth there, and, that's why you are quoting from such a "non-biased" source, right? ("The Conversation"), lol !

"Academic Rigor...Journalistic Flair" !!

Just pop over to their "Politics" link...no bias there!!

Maybe a little more "Journalistic Flair" than "Academic Rigor"??

Since the vaccine is poor at keeping people from getting Covid, does the benefit of the vaccine add or decrease the risk of myocarditis when you get Covid anyway and quite often is fairly mild?

I'm not sure anyone has that answer and we know individual reactions to Covid and vaccines vary widely. I'm sure some are convinced they know but I'm not impressed with the accuracy of experts on either side of this issue so far.

As well you shouldn't be! Lots of inaccurate info has been disseminated about it. Mostly that's for a few reasons, but two biggies are: 1) political agendas, 2) covid is an impressively moving target.

Regarding #2, some have concluded that since some info reported by experts ends up being inaccurate, then everything they say is inaccurate/a lie. Science is an iterative process, even when studying static phenomena (i.e., things we "knew were true" at one time end up not being true or are only partially true). When the object of study is changing constantly like covid, you're going to get "facts" that end up being inaccurate or incomplete. For those reading who believe that means science is BS, then use some other belief system to form your conclusions. Many will, and if that works for them, then that's great. I'm am empiricist by nature (not perfectly, but about 95% so) so I'll keep on using science and accept that it's imperfect, but a hell of a lot better for me than any alternative I've found.

Ok enough for me on this topic! I'll quit posting in here for a while. Mostly it's not good for my mental health. Have a great rest of your day folks!

The Conversation is pretty highly rated in terms of factual reporting and considered to be centrist in its reporting. What is your specific problem with the source or the underlying studies/data? Or do you just having nothing more substantive to respond with than "lol"?

The attached link is from Yale and compared the incidence of myocarditis between those who had COVID and those who were vaccinated for COVID. Data collected on 19K athletes showed that, of those who had COVID, 0.7% had cardiac involvement. Of those who were vaccinated against COVID, the incidence was 12.6 cases per million, or 0.00126%. Ergo, a vastly smaller risk from the vaccine than from the disease.

The link below is for an NIH article which indicates "The risk of myocarditis linked with COVID-19 illness is several times greater than the risk from vaccination, and it is often more serious."

Same messaging albeit not to as significant a degree.

So, for anyone whose knee jerk reaction is to assume any athlete death must be due to vaccines, you should really reconsider your thought process because all the data I have seen indicates it is more likely to come from the disease itself and not the vaccine.

https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/covid-19-vaccines-myocarditis

Infection by the virus and having clinical symptoms of the disease are two different things, and the vaccines still do a decent job of reducing severe illness and death.

I'm a bit amazed that 2 years into the Pandemic and people who are active in the discussion still don't understand the difference.

"Furthermore sudden cardiac death from myocarditis is low and should be substantially lower in young adults, and even lower in young elite athletes."

And yet that demographic description overlaps with the group is disproportionately affected by myocarditis from the mRNA COVID vaccines (young males). The NCAA actually changed its protocol for when athletes return from a COVID-19 infection due to this risk.

"This may pose an especially high risk to competitive athletes, in whom myocarditis is a top cause of sudden death. In light of this development, the Big Ten Conference now requires comprehensive cardiac testing for student athletes before they can return to play after COVID-19 infection."

https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/general-cardiology/heart-inflammation-after-covid-19-infection-in-athletes/

From the URL embedded in my prior post:

"Men and boys between the ages of 16 and 29 have been most often affected by COVID-19–vaccine-related myocarditis, usually a few days after their second dose.5 Myocarditis may be due to their strong immune response to the vaccine."

"Among teenaged boys — the group with the highest risk of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination — the risk is between 2 and 5 times higher after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination."

Can we agree you pretty much aren't going to die of myocarditis if you don't have it?

It is funny that you don't even understand the implications of your comment. The likely answer is right there in front of you, and then you closed your eyes, turned around, and walked away.

"It's easier to fool a man, than convince him that he's been fooled."

Crazy how that crap infects people differently. The ones I know that had it bad were pretty out of shape (considered obese). Stay healthy. We take some vitamin supplements with a extra dose of zinc. Not sure if that's a player in all this but seems to work for me and mine.

Makes one wonder if the resurgence of cases so close to the mid-terms isn't a thing. I mean, not to sound like a nut-case conspiracy guy, but it does seem timely. My state allows vote harvesting so collecting your neighbors' ballots so they don't have to be in public could be a thing.

All the while, we’ve got zero coverage on a presidents son who undoubtably committed treason. A president that’s committed treason. We’ve got a media telling us Ukraine is Holding off the Russian federation, which in some ways, are more advanced then we are military wise. We are giving billions to the Ukrainian government, that we installed. To hold off those nasty Russians. Etc…….

We are on the brink of war here. And stand 2 super sonic missiles away from having a non functioning society.

But, let’s talk about Covid so the American people doesn’t look at history. Or ask any questions why Putin did this.

He’s a legend…just ask him.

I appreciate what you and all other nurses do. But you pathetically try to over play your hand here constantly. You don’t have to do that but yet you do to cover for your personal inadequacies. It’s telling.

Posting what you observed in your ER about Covid is an expected reply from an associates degree. As if it means anything medically. This is why you aren’t allowed to prescribe patient treatment or medication. Frankly, your posts on Covid have flip flopped from “who cares no big deal” to “ It’s serious” back to “I’m not vaxed and didn’t get it.” You just follow along with whatever the thread trend is. Always a follower.

You sure drew the ire of your fellow Kansans.

I guess you all must have some history.

Im bringing a radio, not going to listen to NPR though.

I trust the people in the labs doing their best to develope these vaccines, it's the upper crust I don't trust.

Ksflatlander- I've never pretended to be a prescriber. Best I could do this late in life would be a nurse practioner or PA, and I already make as much or more than they do already with fewer responsibilities, so it would be pointless anyway. Familiarize yourself with 'standing orders'. In a Code Blue or rapid response situation, I and every other ER or ICU RN give ACLS meds without a physician present. Much like paramedics give meds based on symptoms with no physician in the aircraft or ambulance. Regardless if you get sedated by me with propofol in ER right before the doctor intubates you, or some hospice nurse is spoon feeding you Roxanol to kill you off faster, a RN is there when you're born, and we're there when you die. Get used to it.

Wrong. I’ve lived in KS all my life. I’ve been living in KS longer than you. Actually a 5 generation Kansan.

“Nobody can even verify if "he" is a male.”

Wrong. Been with my wife for 20 years. I also have kids. How about you? There are some of the non crazies here who know.

“He is a left wing, spineless liberal too afraid to post his real name out of fear.”

Almost right on this one except for the spineless part. Everything else is pretty much right.

“He stole his handle from our very own John Wiebe…”

Wrong. Unless John has been on Bowsite since the late 90’s. I also believe his handle was not exactly the same as mine. Like I’ve told you numerous times. You got a problem with it take it up with Pat. Dishonesty and exaggeration are not virtues.

The rest of your dribble…it’s called a standing order for a reason.

Lastly Thornton, in the majority of our exchanges it’s you that pokes then you whine and get mad when I respond. You should put your finger in a glass of water, remove it, then look what kind of impression you made. A one upper…what a tool. You sure can dish it out but just can’t take it.

The lies never stop. Monkey pox and chicken pox/shingles are not caused by the same virus and the viruses not even in the same even in the same genus. Monkey pox is in the genus Orthopoxvirus like small pox, whereas the chickenpox/shingles virus is in the varicellovirus genus.

You do realize this is complete BS right? Vaccinated individuals can spread the virus just as readily if not more so than unvaccinated individuals. New study data out this week actually shows that vaccinated/boosted individuals have a lower immune response to the virus and demonstrate a higher viral load when exposed compared to unvaccinated individuals with a healthy immune system meaning vaccinated boosted individuals are more contagious than healthy unvaccinated individuals..

Really?? This coming from a guy who constantly posts "data and studies" from sources like the NIH and CDC, two of the most biased and agenda-driven entities that exist today. You constantly chastise others for being sheep believing what they want to hear when you yourself are as guilty of that as anyone here.. LOL..!

"Safe and effective (vaccine)"? Lmao. Yeah, good luck with that.

LMAO. Posting pay $$, shooting skills, threatening lawsuits, and physical threats. Only in Thornton world is that not chest puffing. Man child.

“You do realize this is complete BS right? Vaccinated individuals can spread the virus just as readily if not more so than unvaccinated individuals. New study data out this week actually shows that vaccinated/boosted individuals have a lower immune response to the virus and demonstrate a higher viral load when exposed compared to unvaccinated individuals with a healthy immune system meaning vaccinated boosted individuals are more contagious than healthy unvaccinated individuals.“

What new study are you referring to? Until you post this new information your claims are complete BS.

Hahaha, Matt that statement pretty much sums up this whole thread!

LOL..! Unlike you clowns, I don't post BS.. I realize facts are like Kryptonite to you kind of people, but it doesn't change the reality.. The study was published by the Lancet and then in the Virology Journal by Dr. Kenji Yamamoto. The study was also covered in the Pandemic.News who's sources cite the NIH and the National Library of Medicine.. Don't bother looking for the study in any MSM source. They obviously won't cover it because it defies their false narratives.

https://pandemic.news/2022-07-21-virology-paper-covid-jabs-deplete-immune-function.html

What's hilarious is you used a double negative (likely without realizing). I doubt you will find a single person on this site who doesn't believe there are risks to the COVID vaccines. The point, which has been well-documented, is that the risk of COVID is (or perhaps was) much greater than the risk of the vaccine.

What you will find are a few people who will blame any cardiac-related death on the COVID vaccines even though COVID itself carries a many times higher risk of underlying conditions which can cause that.

"LOL..! Unlike you clowns, I don't post BS.. I realize facts are like Kryptonite to you kind of people, but it doesn't change the reality.. The study was published by the Lancet and then in the Virology Journal by Dr. Kenji Yamamoto."

Rich. You might want to re-read your references before citing "facts", claiming not to post BS, and calling other people clowns. Yamamoto did not do a study on COVID vaccine-relates immune function, he wrote an article in it - despite the fact the second article you linked said he did. This makes sense because Yamamoto is a cardiologist so not in a field where he would be doing studies in immunology. This article - again, not a study, which is probably why it is listed in the "Articles" section - was not published in The Lancet.

Yamamoto did cite studies done by others in his article, and the first was actually published by The Lancet. Oddly enough, the last sentence in the "interpretation" section of this study directly contradicts Yamamoto's thesis as follows "The results strengthen the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third vaccine dose as a booster."

"Swatmedic don’t waste your time. You can’t fix stupid."

I couldn't agree more. And yet I keep trying...

Slander and libel cover factually false statements. Not opinion.

I took a break from sheep scouting and went fly fishing this morn. Landed 3 and missed at least 4 on a streamer in about an hour. Plan to hike a new to me trail tomorrow morn.

Carry on…

Matt

Matt, I started a post similar to yours, but didn't bother. No point- they are right... can't fix stupid. The "study" was nothing more than a letter to the editor. If you don't understand that both covid and the vaccine carry risk, you're not very bright. How you make an informed decision about those compared risks is up to you. Also, one more thing-- citing a single study (had you actually cited the Lancet study like you tried to) that supports your narrative makes you a whole lot the the media coverage of this deal. It's simply selective and biased reporting of information that tells the story you want to tell. Good science follows all the data, not picks and chooses it.

I never cited that Dr. Yamamoto was the one who conducted the study which, by the way, was based on data collected from thousands of individuals spanning multiple countries which is FAR MORE data than the selective data the CDC has been using for the last 2.5 years to justify the dozens of useless and destructive mandates they have imposed. They actual study was absolutely published in the Lancet and it is also linked to the article published in the Virology Journal, along with Dr. Yamamoto's article if you actually care to read it, but I'm sure you will dismiss it just as you have with every other study and opinion that contradicts the narrative that you choose to believe personally.

"Swatmedic don’t waste your time. You can’t fix stupid."

"I couldn't agree more. And yet I keep trying..."

This is laugh-out loud funny coming from someone who has discounted and dismissed every bit of data or opinion that has not matched your personal beliefs. This is not a demonstration of someone who possesses intellect. It's an example of arrogance and small-mindedness of a person who thinks they are a lot smarter than they really are..

I have over 30 years experience as a medic and a trauma nurse, and as a medical practitioner I have learned the only constant in the practice of medicine is that it is dynamic and fluid... Protocols and procedures are constantly changing based on the best medical science which derives from theory, debate, and then practice. We get some things right, but we also get some wrong, and smart people learn from this and continue to research and review data to improve.. An intelligent person would understand that. Because of this fact, my assertions that you and the KS guy are clowns stands..

I’d rather people just say what they feel versus using memes and declarations they believe in individual rights. Don’t change up, ridicule, or find ways to try and humiliate someone you disagree with. It’d be better if they just said it. That’s where discussion begins. Retaliation begins when your fellow man implies he’s sone his smarter. Using nothing but his preferred sources as proof.

I take stock in peoples experience. I also doubt anyone who finds righteous confirmation from people incapable of just saying what they believe. Versus saying what they wished you believed.

Thanks for the real world experience swatmedic. That Carrie’s a lot of weight in situations where the truth has been hidden. Or not consistent enough to be labeled as science.

Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem as well. The study is not an "article"...An article was written to the Virology Journal in regard to the data in the study.. Regardless, it really doesn't matter when you are going to be dismissive of anything that doesn't align with your ideologies. No point in arguing with a low-intellect hypocrite..

I have no ideology or agenda. I look at all the data and formulate my opinions based on everything that is credible and without bias which is extremely hard to find when it's related to Covid. The vast majority of the narrative the MSM has perpetuated in regard to Covid is pure BS.. The facts are we are still learning as we go. Smart people will admit that.. Anyone who claims to have Covid or the so-called "vaccines" figured out is a clown in my view.. A dangerous clown at that.. Tens of thousands have suffered or died needlessly because of so many "experts" perpetuating a false narrative.. You can add yourself to the list...

Which study are you referring to specifically? You linked an article which references numerous studies. When I looked at the first (which was published in The Lancet), its findings directly contradicted the assertions made by the author of your article. Once I realized the author of your article either didn't read, didn't understand, or was misrepresenting the finding of that study, I saw no point in continuing. Let me know what I am missing here.

You then posted a link to an article which referenced a study and has that word as a hyperlink, but when you clink on the word "study" it brings up the same article you initially linked - which still is not a study.

Full disclosure. The reduced viral load in vaccinated individuals has not been seen with the latest variants. I’m guessing that is because the vaccines received were specific to previous variants.

Well... aren't you fun!?! Haha. Because of my reading comprehension problems, I'm just too damn dumb to understand your post. I am just a "low-intellect hypocrite" after all...

swatmedic, I have no idea why you are slinging mud and calling names in knee jerk fashion, and I frankly don't care. You believe what you believe and I'll do the same. I have no agenda or horse in this fight. Like Matt, for reasons I simply can't explain, I feel the need to call out BS and lies when they are spewed. Because of what I do, I also tend to defend the endeavor of legitimate empirical study (acknowledging that a small amount of it is unscrupulous, and driven by political/social agendas and not at all objective) and attack the misinformation I see related to it.

"The study is not an 'article'". It's obvious you don't understand the common nomenclature used in research.

"An article was written to the Virology Journal in regard to the data in the study." Right... so why are you referencing that letter to the editor instead of the actual study?

"Regardless, it really doesn't matter when you are going to be dismissive of anything that doesn't align with your ideologies." I absolutely don't dismiss the actual study (the article you referenced- I put little stock in that as I don't know the source or his understanding of the entire body of literature on the topic or whether he's not objective because of political, social, or some other reason) regardless of what it concludes.

I have looked at as much research and info as I can on the matter and I've formed my own conclusion. If you have formed a different conclusion based on the info you have examined, I'm perfectly comfortable with that. I've made my choices in a manner consistent with my conclusions and I imagine you have too. Not sure why you have to throw insults and act like an adolescent about it...

Finally, it sounds like you have some really good and relevant work experience. I also put stock in that too, particularly when I know the source.

I hope you stay healthy and happy and get out and enjoy this fall with a bow in your hands.

He has the right values IMHO, family comes first. A great individual, even given his lousy political instincts;-)

"Kenji Yamamoto, commenting on another recent study published in the journal The Lancet, says that eight months after receiving two doses of a Fauci Flu shot, a “fully vaccinated” person’s immune system is lower than that of an unvaccinated person."

When I look at Yamamoto's article, the source cited in support of that comment is a study titled "Risk of infection, hospitalisation, and death up to 9 months after a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine: a retrospective, total population cohort study in Sweden" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8816388/).

That study investigated the rate at which the COVID vaccine's effectiveness waned over time by comparing 2 cohorts totaling 1.7M Swedish individuals (half COVID vaccinated and half unvaccinated) over roughly a 9-month period. That study looked at the incidents of study participants 1) becoming infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus and 2) having severe COVID-19 during the study period.

No place in the study do they compare broader immune function of participants by vaccination status. In fact, the study has no commentary on that at all. It only compares the rates of becoming infected by SARS-CoV-2 or contracting severe COVID-19 between the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts.

As I had referenced previously, the interpretation of the study data supports rather than undermines the use of COVID vaccines as outlined in the "Interpretation" section: "The results strengthen the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third vaccine dose as a booster."

I do not disagree with that, but that has no bearing on what swatmedic posted. Even the study he incorrectly quoted suggested that vaccine-derived protection from infection waned during the study period but that it continued to provide a good level of protection from severe disease.

My sense is that people don't so much worry about being infected by SARS=CoV-2, but rather from being debilitated by or dying from COVID-19.

We have a college town, Penn state, over the mt, a more liberal area...definitely more mask wearers over there than on our side of the mt.

We all had the China virus..wife, kids, their families....all non vaxed...not one severe case.

Couple relatives outside our immediate family, got jabbed, got the virus....same thing if not worse.

I let people choose their own path..I expect the same .

If ya want the jab, or believe these people have at it....I'm a little hesitant to listen to them.

I mean look around...lol...ya trust anything these people say?...good grief they think it's normal to be confused about which bathroom to use.!