Wolf Or Yote Or Mix?
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JL 26-Jul-22
Grey Ghost 26-Jul-22
DanaC 26-Jul-22
scentman 26-Jul-22
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Norseman 26-Jul-22
Mad Trapper 27-Jul-22
Dale06 27-Jul-22
JL 27-Jul-22
goelk 27-Jul-22
deerhunter72 27-Jul-22
greg simon 27-Jul-22
Will 27-Jul-22
x-man 27-Jul-22
M.Pauls 27-Jul-22
Norseman 27-Jul-22
EmptyFreezer 27-Jul-22
badbull 27-Jul-22
Thornton 27-Jul-22
wild1 27-Jul-22
WV Mountaineer 27-Jul-22
Hackbow 28-Jul-22
MQQSE 28-Jul-22
LBshooter 28-Jul-22
No Mercy 28-Jul-22
APauls 28-Jul-22
Treeline 28-Jul-22
Mule Power 28-Jul-22
Wildan2 28-Jul-22
JL 28-Jul-22
Kodiak 28-Jul-22
TRnCO 28-Jul-22
Michael 28-Jul-22
Bou'bound 28-Jul-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 28-Jul-22
Shawn 28-Jul-22
JL 28-Jul-22
TGbow 28-Jul-22
DanaC 29-Jul-22
JL 29-Jul-22
Will 29-Jul-22
Pete In Fairbanks 29-Jul-22
JL 29-Jul-22
Corax_latrans 29-Jul-22
scentman 29-Jul-22
Pyrannah 29-Jul-22
JL 29-Jul-22
DanaC 29-Jul-22
JL 29-Jul-22
BULELK1 30-Jul-22
Pete In Fairbanks 30-Jul-22
Zbone 30-Jul-22
fisherick 31-Jul-22
From: JL
26-Jul-22
For you northern trappers out there. A buddy who is a trapper and taxi sent this to me. He lives in way north Wisconsin and this is in his back 20. He say the body is very big for a yote and there are instances of a yote/wolf mix in Northern WI. He is not sure. Any guesses?? Maybe a young wolf??

From: Grey Ghost
26-Jul-22
Looks 100% coyote to me.

Matt

From: DanaC
26-Jul-22

DanaC's Link

From: scentman
26-Jul-22
"My what big paws you have"! Wolf, male 3.5 yrs old.

From: elkmtngear
26-Jul-22
Yeah, I'm with DanaC on this one...long legs, wolfy-looking head...CoyWolf .

26-Jul-22

Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
Wolf

26-Jul-22
Wolf.

26-Jul-22
Looks like a big summer eastern coyote to me but without something relative for size it's hard to say.

From: Norseman
26-Jul-22
Coyote

From: Mad Trapper
27-Jul-22
Eastern coyote

From: Dale06
27-Jul-22
Coyote

From: JL
27-Jul-22
The tally so far. I sent the vid to a local DNR bio and waiting for him to weigh in too.

Yote - 5

Wolf - 3

Coywolf - 2

From: goelk
27-Jul-22
wolf

From: deerhunter72
27-Jul-22
The perspective makes it tough to judge. If it's a yote it's much bigger than the typical S. Illinois ones I see. I'm voting wolf.

From: greg simon
27-Jul-22
Yes

From: Will
27-Jul-22
I thought all eastern coyotes contained a solid portion of wolf and thus were really "coy wolves". Not sure, going on memory. If you showed me that in New England, I'd say normal Coyote for here. But knowing the location and that there are wolves in Wisconsin... coupled to the high cam angle making size estimation hard... I'm going with wolf. Just feels like that makes sense in that area of the country.

Could definitely be wrong.

From: x-man
27-Jul-22
Coywolf. A true Timber Wolf is scary big in the muzzle.

From: M.Pauls
27-Jul-22
Looks all coyote to me

From: Norseman
27-Jul-22
Me thinks coyote size due to quick steps and sneaky movements. Wolf usually walk like they are wearing clown shoes and flick their feet forward.

From: EmptyFreezer
27-Jul-22
Coyote that identifies as a wolf.. he's not sure if he is boy or girl.. :)

From: badbull
27-Jul-22
Coyshep

From: Thornton
27-Jul-22
I can't tell. I swore I saw a wolf in NW Colorado last year, but when I put my scope on it, it was hunting like a coyote.

From: wild1
27-Jul-22
Healthy coyote

27-Jul-22
Yote. Kill it.

From: Hackbow
28-Jul-22
My vote is for coyote, but I wouldn't bet on it. Found two sets of wolf tracks stalking, then chasing a deer a few years back while we were in N. WI grouse hunting. They were huge. The paws on the canine in question look to be normal yote paws relative to the body. It will be interesting to hear what the biologist says.

From: MQQSE
28-Jul-22
I have a place in Bayfield County WI and live near the MO/IA border. Last winter I saw and took poor video of one like this. I thought it had to be a wolf as it was so much different than any of the dogs back in MO and IA. Who knows though.

From: LBshooter
28-Jul-22
I'm going with yote too.

From: No Mercy
28-Jul-22
tail is too long for a yote-young wolf is my vote

From: APauls
28-Jul-22
I'd go with coyote. With wolves you'll typically be able to notice the large feet. And in July they'll often look like heads are large with thinner fur.

From: Treeline
28-Jul-22
Bang!

From: Mule Power
28-Jul-22
People underestimate the size potential of coyotes. There are some bigguns out there!

From: Wildan2
28-Jul-22
Coyote;ours get a lot bigger than out west;up to 60lbs and look like a German Shepards!

From: JL
28-Jul-22
It depends on what time of the year you're seeing a yote....summer coat or winter coat.

From: Kodiak
28-Jul-22
I'd say it's a young wolf. It's face doesn't say coyote at all.

From: TRnCO
28-Jul-22
looks coyote to me...

From: Michael
28-Jul-22
Coyote.

From: Bou'bound
28-Jul-22
when in doubt go with the most likely answer.

more likely a coyote.

28-Jul-22
Based on head size and paws like some others said I’m going yote. Big yote. I know people here in the Northeast who have shot some almost 50-60 pounds

From: Shawn
28-Jul-22
I say wolf, carries his tail like a wolf has that type of head. I have seen some huge coyotes, big males like 55#s in NY but that looks like all wolf to me. I also don't think all that young maybe 3.5 or so. Shawn

From: JL
28-Jul-22
The tally so far. Haven't heard back from the bio yet.

Yote - 19

Wolf - 10

Coywolf - 4

Can't Tell - 2

From: TGbow
28-Jul-22
Looks like a coyote to me

From: DanaC
29-Jul-22

DanaC's Link
DNA Test Confirms Wolf Was Killed in Upstate New York

The 85-pound wolf was taken by a hunter in December

From: JL
29-Jul-22
""“The term ‘coywolf’ is very misleading to the public,” Shevenell Webb, furbearer biologist with the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife told Outdoor Life last year. “Eastern coyotes are coyotes. We recognize that some hybridization occurred, but they are not wolves.”

Most samples from genetic studies in Maine were deemed to be of eastern coyote ancestry, but a small percentage had wolf ancestry.

“At some point, both species interbred and that signature is carried in genetics,” says Webb. She also noted one coyote had a wolf ancestry of 89 percent. Interestingly, it was one of the smaller animals in the study, a 27-pound female. Adult male Eastern coyotes typically weigh between 45 and 55 pounds."""

Any idea how this bio in Dana's link knows which is the primary trait.....the wolf or the yote? For example, she notes a yote was killed that had 89% wolf ancestry. Why couldn't it be a wolf that had 11% yote ancestry?

From: Will
29-Jul-22
Cool stuff there JL - thanks for that.

29-Jul-22
I've probably trapped/killed a lot more wolves and coyotes than most Bowsiters.

That said, I would not even begin to think I could make an accurate ID from looking at that brief video!

Pete

From: JL
29-Jul-22
Pete...good point. Have you ever trapped a hybrid yote/wolf in your area?

29-Jul-22
I think Pete has the best, most qualified answer, but if I were in for a dollar, I’d say coyote. Too much belly on it to be a “young” anything!

From: scentman
29-Jul-22
The gate, long legs, slender rear end tapers to muscular frontal cavity... large head, pup looks at least 75 lbs. Pete, gut feeling... not 100% but gut?

From: Pyrannah
29-Jul-22
yote

From: JL
29-Jul-22
Me thinks if Pete isn't sure....that may say something. Does the black tipped tail offer a clue??

From: DanaC
29-Jul-22
JL, I'm inclined to agree. A 'wolf' may have up to 49% coyote mixed in, or vice versa, but 89% wolf is a wolf. Trying to ID an animal off a video? No way. Shoot it and do a DNA analysis, then you'll *know*.

From: JL
29-Jul-22
Me personally....if there was any question it was a wolf mix, I wouldn't shoot it. Reasoning being is if it had any wolf in it, would that open you up to shooting a protected species in Wisconsin (or Michigan)?

Recall a few years ago the light colored bear that was legally harvested and I believe it turned out to be part polar bear/black bear mix and the DNR or RCMP folks were considering charging the hunter with a crime. Not sure I want to tempt fate.

From: BULELK1
30-Jul-22
Possibly a neighbors Malamute dog?

Fun thread,

Robb

30-Jul-22
Nope.... not going to take the bait and hazard a guess!

Pete

From: Zbone
30-Jul-22
Wolf.... Whatever it is it's lobo, only difference in name is their size...

From: fisherick
31-Jul-22
Being from New England, this is the size of our coyotes around here.

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