Folks please don't get on here and start saying we have to vote these people out cause we all know our vote doesn't count anymore.
But, let’s get in line for the 87,000 more butt rapers coming. It’s going to be awesome for us common folk.
Brand new IRS agents on the way.
You should watch your posts and don't forget your leftist son will turn you in ;^)
"Get ready Patriots." Real patriots have been ready and working to save the country, not like the keyboard worriers and whiners I've seen on this site.
It gets even sillier when part of the bulletin resembles a brochure for a Revolutionary War museum. Then again, George Washington and the Continental Army were, arguably, "Anti-Government or Anti-Authority Violent Extremists," which is a reminder that governments aren't necessarily the good guys.
rofl... the director of the FBI was appointed by trump! you can't make this stuff up! You guys are so deep into the deep state conspiracy that trump is the one who appointed people that are investigating him.
Also it was already 100% confirmed that trumps team took documents that they werent suppose to that are suppose to go the the national archives. So don't illegally take things you aren't and the FBI you created won't come after you for it. Stupid is as stupid does.
IDK the adjective to describe the hilarity of you guys getting pissed off by lefties when it's trump's FBI director that he appointed that gave the go ahead for this. All of this couldn't be anymore trumps fault. He took the docs, wouldn't give them back, and appointed the guy who's in charge.
Didn't the National Archives get the 15 boxes of documents from Trump back in February?
"Didn't the National Archives get the 15 boxes of documents from Trump back in February?"
The boxes were inspected by the Feds at Mar-a-Lago in June 2022, so no.
Quote from an ex-FBI official:
"The time to negotiate and turn everything over is long gone, and now we've reached the point where agents are convincing a judge that they have evidence of a crime."
With the very broad power to declassified things at will a President has, this seems like a stretch but something is missing in this story so hard to say what the angle is.
Anybody have a link to the disinformation media about the June inspection?
"the accumulation of recent congressional testimony has made it clear that the Obama administration itself engaged in the wholesale destruction and “loss” of tens of thousands of government records covered under the act as well as the intentional evasion of the government records recording system by engaging in private email exchanges. So far, former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Lynch and several EPA officials have been named as offenders. The IRS suffered record “losses” as well. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it “an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws.”
Records issues happen with all Presidents, but when you have violent leftists with irrational hatred for a person they tend to go overboard as we are seeing now.
Reality show piece of work might end up saving the Republic after all even if he is not re-elected.
Some of you hoping for civil war…that’s what’s disgraceful.
Donald Trump is just another man and not above the law. Play stupid games then win stupid prizes. He’s innocent until proven guilty so do get your panties in a wad.
We know who wants the overthrow of our Republic because they want mob rule.
The leftists are out of control.
It's just sad to me overall. The whole thing. Especially that when I first heard about it I pondered, "is this due to the case in GA, NY, Classified Records, J6, etc?"
If they play stupid games I hope they when stupid prizes.
Fifty-eight year old Sandy Berger, the former National Security Adviser under the Clinton Administration, illegally took classified documents from the National Archives on more than one occasion. During his visits to the Archives, it was determined that Berger folded the documents in his clothes, walked out of the National Archives building in Washington, D.C., and placed them under a nearby construction trailer for retrieval later on. Two years later Berger was sentenced to 100 hours of community service and probation and fined $50,000. He also also had to pay $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation. Berger also lost his security clearance and license to practice law. "
Nobody is hoping for a civil war.
“Donald Trump is just another man and not above the law.”
Ah yes, the “no man is above the law” proclamation. if only he had joined the Democratic Party. THEN and only then, would he be above the law!
LMAO!!! That’s what they told us during the Russia collusion hoax! How’d that one go for you? Was it “sufficient” enough to get the job done? Nope!
Finally a truth from a Republican.
"if only he had joined the Democratic Party."
Actually, he was a Democrat until he decided to run for President. He had to make a decision on which party would be easier to deceive and manipulate. He then switched to Republican.
Hahaha he just raided your house you clown. But let me guess " you barley know the guy, never met him, he's a liberal"
Trump was right he is "draining the swamp" retroactively that is.
If some items were declass'd or not class'd when taken to his house and then later someone(s) decided to re-classify some items or they should have been class'd.....that is going to raise some very difficult questions for the "someone(s)" to answer. Their correct response better be they have been trying to get these items re-class'd prior to or when Prez Trump leaving/left office and have the documents to prove that. If they can't prove it....this is going to look like a frame job by someone(s). If the trail leads to rogue elements in the DOJ/FBI (again) or the usual political hacks like Shifty, Nads or Stretched Pelosi orchestrating this, the case will fall apart. If the Jan 6th bubbas try to use anything from this, the suspicion turns to them as having a dubious political role in this.
Last night, Eric Trump said one of their lawyers has been working with NARA on this for a while. If that is proved true....that is another problem for the DOJ/FBI. Them claiming Trump or his staff were destroying or might destroy supposed classified items will be tough to prove if the lawyer was in fact already working with NARA.
IMO.....if there is no big "there" there....Trump wins.
Have we forgotten the golden shower stuff so quickly. 8^P
But I am glad you enjoy my humor. I thought leftists were radical 24/7 and didn't get humor.
This guy likes a good fight, and now, no doubt in my mind he is going to run. They just energized him.....
Surprised they got they/them with all the leftists around trying to intimidate the judge and his neighbors.
You brought up another possibility....
Leftist leaders actually want him to win.
They "prove" no election fraud.
They fire up their radical base even more.
Perfect excuse to attempt an overthrow of the republic.
For all you ready to arm yourself you can dress up in your camo and carry your guns but after you fire a shot your going to end up in Prison. There isn't any political parties inside just violent gangs.
The FBI has admitted they cheated with the FISA warrants. When LE goes bad there is a motive. The world is watching to see what this raid reveals. There is a giant motivation for the FBI to produce or its a big blow to their already poor reputation. That motivation will put anything they claim to find under a microscope.
My understanding is there wasn't a subpoena or court order before the raid.
this move will be seen as pure political, FBI an extended arm of the Democrats, a weakened Biden presidency (who wasn't even aware this was happening) ....
good day to be anti-Democratic party IMO
bs...the difference between conspiracy theory and fact is...facts.
Hillary destroys hard drives and blackberry phones that were evidence under a court order
FBI agents, CIA director all lied under oath.
I made a mistake above, I'd read the judge was a Trump appointee, but I looked back at that and realized I read it incorrectly. It was not known if it was his appointee.
It was Trumps FBI guy who he praised up and down and is a life long conservative R who represented past R admins and R govs. If the claim is that he is a leftist so this is bogus, that's a bogus claim.
He could release the warrant, it would say what the situation was about (what was being looked for).
In the end if the guy did the crime, he should do the time - or at least suffer the consequences. And if that was the other party or a different person, yes, I'd feel the same way.
Aside from the fact that there may be a perfectly valid reason for the raid you miss a very key point; the FBI Director is subordinate to the US AG, Merrick Garland, appointed by the current POTUS.
Quoting Andrew Cuomo is a laugher too...
They didn't just know about it, they are behind it. If anyone truly believes that this administration was truly blindsided by this, they are beyond foolish.
Anyone even care to do the mental gymnastics of accounting for the fact that the FBI director and judge who signed the warrant were appointed by trump? Any takers?
"it's the left's fault still"
First, Attorney General Merrick Garland abused his power to weaponize the federal government against parents who spoke up about what their children are being taught in schools.
Now, we are witnessing, for the first time in American history, an FBI raid of a former president's home. Again, this has NEVER happened before in American history. NEVER.
Democrats have promulgated false narratives against President Trump since before he was elected. They've spent millions of YOUR tax dollars on bogus investigations that have all been debunked. But their political theater has reached a dangerous new low.
With your help, they won't be able to hide much longer. If Republicans retake the House majority in November, I promise you we will get you the answers that you deserve
Trump was not good at choosing people for positions. No gymnastics required. All my friends on the right and even the most ardent supporters know that was the case.
Regardless it's his hand picked men that saw fit to legally raid his home
Personally I'd prefer you take a refresher course in civics so you understand the irrelevance of your statement; the subordinates within the DOJ take their marching orders from the US AG.
"Regardless it's his hand picked men that saw fit to legally raid his home."
Tell me, were you gifted with the genetic predisposition towards being obtuse or have you mastered the craft through tireless practice?
The Florida federal magistrate judge who signed off on a search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort donated to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign — months after he left the local US Attorney’s office to rep employees of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein who had received immunity in the long-running sex-trafficking investigation of the financier.
Sources tell The Post that Judge Bruce Reinhart approved the warrant that enabled federal agents to converge on the palatial South Florida estate on Monday in what Trump called an “unannounced raid on my home.”
Reinhart was elevated to magistrate judge in March 2018 after 10 years in private practice. That November, the Miami Herald reported that he had represented several of Epstein’s employees — including, by Reinhart’s own admission to the outlet, Epstein’s pilots; his scheduler, Sarah Kellen; and Nadia Marcinkova, who Epstein once reportedly described as his “Yugoslavian sex slave.”
Kellen and Marcinkova were among Epstein’s lieutenants who were granted immunity as part of a controversial 2007 deal with federal prosecutors that allowed the pervert to plead guilty to state charges rather than federal crimes. Epstein wound up serving just 13 months in county jail and was granted work release. The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and broke into a safe in his palatial home, the former president said Monday. The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and broke into a safe in his palatial home, the former president said Monday. REUTERS
According to the Herald, which cited court documents, Reinhart resigned from the South Florida US Attorney’s Office effective on New Year’s Day 2008 and went to work for Epstein’s cohorts the following day.
Epstein, who was found dead in August 2019 of an apparent suicide in the Manhattan Correctional Center while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges, had hired a stable of high-powered lawyers for his defense in the late 2000s, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr.
Ten months after starting work for Epstein’s co-conspirators, according to Federal Election Commission records, Reinhart gave $1,000 directly to the Obama campaign and another $1,000 to its fundraising arm, the Obama Victory Fund. Though the records show the judge made mostly small-dollar donations to his law firm’s political action committee in subsequent years, Reinhart also donated $500 to Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential campaign in November 2015.
Reinhart was later named in a civil lawsuit by two of Epstein’s victims that accused him of violating Justice Department policies by switching sides in the middle of the Epstein investigation, suggesting he had spilled inside information about the probe to build favor with the notorious defendant, the Herald reported in 2018.
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In a 2011 affidavit, Reinhart denied he had done anything improper and insisted that since he was not involved in the federal investigation of Epstein, he was not privy to inside information about the case.
However, in a 2013 court filing, Reinhart’s former colleagues contradicted him, saying that he had “learned confidential, non-public information about the Epstein matter” while employed by the US Attorney’s Office. Reinhart noted to the Herald in response that a complaint filed against him by a lawyer for Epstein’s victims had been dismissed by the Justice Department.
As recently as January of 2015, Reinhart was asked to appear on right-wing channel Newsmax to give analysis of the Epstein fallout — but declined to publicly note his own role in the case.
Before entering private practice in 2008, Reinhart spent 12 years as a federal prosecutor. According to an official biography circulated at the time he was hired as a magistrate judge, Reinhart “managed a docket that covered the full spectrum of federal crimes, including narcotics, violent crimes, public corruption, financial frauds, child pornography and immigration.”
Reinhart is one of three federal magistrate judges in the West Palm Beach offices of the US District Court for the Southern District Court of Florida, along with William Matthewman and Ryon McCabe.
Two recent warrant applications were assigned to Reinhart and entered into the court system on Monday, the Miami Herald reported, but those warrants and information about who they targeted remain sealed. Records show another warrant was issued by Reinhart on Friday, but its contents were also sealed.
Trump confirmed media reports of a raid at his Florida resort on Monday evening, saying Mar-a-Lago was “under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents.”
The agents were reportedly searching the seaside property for boxes of classified documents Trump allegedly brought to the ritzy resort after he left the White House in January 2021, which would be a violation of federal record-keeping laws.
The National Archives and Records Administration said in February that it found classified documents in 15 boxes at Mar-a-Lago and alerted the FBI.
The removal of classified documents to unauthorized locations is banned under federal law, although Trump had wide powers when he was president to declassify documents.
The raid on Mar-a-Lago comes amid the House select committee’s continuing investigation into Trump’s role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol as Congress met to certify the 2020 presidential election results
I would bet that Trump comes out of this with a hefty settlement of taxpayer dollars for civil rights abuse.
The Convention of States Project is already engaged in the fight and looking for more patriots. You can at the very least sign the petition, or remain a whiner/loser.
I think it is a horrible idea.
That’s the one time Trump told the truth. And now we know who he was talking about. We have no information and Trumpers rush to his defense. Did he do anything illegal? I have no idea but I’m willing to let the Constitutional process play out. He is innocent until proven guilty.
I do. I’ll say it now. This is nothing but a political over reach. You trump haters type paragraphs about Putins sin to eliminate his competition. But wet your drawers if trump gets it. What spineless men
not a matter of opening up the constitution for anything...the constitution already provides for it.
That said, why were most in this thread who enjoyed the old community forum so sure Hilary should be in jail a few days before an election when a different R FBI director started an investigation into her doing this same thing... But seemed to have no issue over the past months when Trump was asked over and over to hand back materials, but refused to do so? This isnt a "new" thing. 11 boxes were taken earlier in the year some of which contained classified info. They tried to get the rest, he (his "crew") kept pushing it off and refusing, and finally the only choice left was to go get it.
It may well end up being nothing but that. He had the materials of the American People which he took illegally to his hotel/home and refused to give back. Hopefully now, they are returned.
That said, in other DJT legal news, his deposition today went well - 5th, 5th, 5th, 5th...
"The mob takes the fifth amendment. If you're innocent, why are you talking about the fifth amendment." DJT 9-27-16
I’m fine with trump being charged if he broke any laws. As long as that goes to everyone else who’s done the same.
I’m guessing that’s where you, Matt, Frank, flathead, Ziek, and a host of others will pause for comment.
The whole debacle has nothing to do with Trump except the extent both parties have went through to ruin this man. For the better part of a decade now it hasn’t stopped. That’s undeniable to everyone.
It’s why people defend him. He deserves it because in all those attempts, the only wrong doing proved at this point has been committed by his accusers. Over, and over, and over again. I can’t believe he hasn’t lost his mind and returned the favor viciously. What would you do if your family had been attacked like this? How would you handle it since Trump is so bad?
"The mob takes the fifth amendment. If you're innocent, why are you talking about the fifth amendment." DJT 9-27-16
Yeah, he's just constitutional af when it suits his needs.
Like I said earlier, if you think talking about anything at this point is smart or even an admission of innocence, you are the problem. They’ve proven innocence means zilch upto this point. So, I’m guessing you bed wetters would handle it differently?
And a few of us are *still* waiting to see his tax returns - 'transparency in government', anyone remember that?
Its like we have trump on record selling weapons to people that end up killing Americans with those weapons. To only plead the fifth and it be left at that.
What is wrong with people?
DOJ response…….crickets. Anyone who can’t see that this Trump raid is politically motivated is willfully blind.
"You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" -Donald Trump, 9/28/2016-
it's crashing down boys. Time to find a new orange daddy
Also remember the Trump related FISA warrant and that FBI lawyer Clinesmith who later got caught for editing/changing emails.
Then give California the shot at a couple amendments.
At present, there are no rules regarding who can participate, give money, lobby or have a voice in a constitutional convention. There are no rules about conflicts of interest, disclosure of who is giving or expending money. No rules exist that address political action committees, corporate or labor union involvement or how any other groups can or should participate.
Remember the rule making the Democratic party did to get Hillary the nomination?
Think about that.....
Nah… we’ll keep this one until you actually have something on him. Until then, you’re doing nothing but strengthening his voter base.
It’s like the Miami Dolphins playing the NE Patriots in a super bowl. Miami knows they can’t beat Brady fairly, so the only strategy left is to try to hobble him. You’re not doing a very good job of that either!!
This was Garland and his hurt non-SCOTUS feelings doing the Dems a favor and trying to find something/anything to prevent Trump from running in 2024.
They tried the Jan-6th hearings to leverage an old civil war statute, but the public didn't buy that one-sided witch trial. So now this.... an FBI raid to try and find some mishandling of classified papers as a reason to prevent Trump appearing on any ballot, using some obscure US code (per Dem Mark Elias).
already have it. if they can get 33 other states to agree to call a convention and then 37 other states to agree with what they want, its a done deal. been that way since the constitution was ratified.
just Reading along and hit the submit button instead of closing the page.
Not sure why anyone has heartburn when someone decides to enforce the law no matter the social standing of the person or prior jobs held. What happened to supporting the blue and wanting criminals brought up on charges? The former President removed boxes of records as he left office which obviously he had not previously torn up and flushed. Maybe he removed boxes previously as well. We expect Presidents to behave as adults which means you respect the law re documents including not destroying them and not removing Confidential records from the White House.
The President turned over several Confidential documents earlier when confronted. A criminal act took place for him to have those originals or even copies of those document. The President stated that was everything. Someone flipped on him and the warrant was issues and documents, including Confidential ones not surrendered earlier, were seized.
Not sure how anyone feels this is not the correct thing for our Government to do. Why would anyone get a pass for blatant violation of the existing laws? Is this how you raise your children? Authority is not relevant? Laws are optional?
The former President took the 5th multiple times today. He had an astute observation about how it is the Mob and crooks that take the 5th but that was before he machine-gunned out multiple 5ths today. Oh, do as I say and not as I do.
Let the chips fall where they will. Felons deserve to incur the consequences of willfully committing felonies.
Couldn't believe CNN would seriously speculate on this.
Somebody fact check those people at CNN....
Over 400 times.
That's funny stuff ??
in 2018 Trump went out of his way to make a law that makes it a felony to mishandle classified documents. 12 boxes of docs. I'm a betting man and am willing to bet some of them are indeed classified.
but lemme guess!? it's the lefts fault he made that law.
"Fifth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, Fifth Amendment. Horrible. Horrible." -Donald J Trump-
The issue went from mishandling classified docs or failing to secure them... Into discussing classified info in non-classified communication. Out of thousands of emails, there were <10 that were discussing remotely close to classified info. If she should have been legally smashed, she should have and would have been.
Conversely, the former president had somewhere north of 20 boxes of documents, some classified - that's not a guess, some of the docs removed earlier this year were classified - in his house/hotel. Zero of those should have left the white house.
Maybe it will end up being that the guy is the Christ like figure of pure love of country and honor people "want" him to be. Maybe this will be a zero and was solely a big wrist slap because he refused to follow the law and took, then didnt return documents of any sort from the white house.
Again, in this case, it's NOT a question. He 100%, absolutely, as sure as the sun rises and sets every day, removed things from the white house he was not supposed to, and those things had to be removed earlier this year, and then again in a LEGAL search the other day. Now, you can say "Will, that's not that bad and shouldnt be a big deal". Ok, fine. it's still illegal and if they choose not to punish him because he was a president and "made a mistake" ok. Fine. He did strengthen a law to punish folks for removing gvmt docs a in the middle of his presidency. But laws do not apply to DJT. They should ONLY be applied to ANYONE DJT or his followers feel is not loyal enough to his greatness and wonderment. Hence, Biden, Clinton, Garland, and basically everyone on the left should be "locked up" - that's the chant right... Seems logical. Because we all know, that the only way for DJT to lose at anything is for the people around him to conspire and cheat. It's the only possibility, logically.
Yet the GSA accidentally shipped them there.
Trump got spring grand jury subpoena, gathered documents, turned them over and allowed agents to search storage locker.
They communicated to get a better lock for storage locker.
NYT reporter published fake news to boost her book and Garland and Reinhardt foaming at the mouth lost it at the opportunity to get Orange Man......
Did I miss anything?
Would you plead the Fifth 400+ times if they tried to impeach you twice and raided your home all under debunked charges?
Asking for a friend ;^)
It’s funny. After years of investigations into all things Trump, nothing has been found…you’d think by now you’d have more to gloat about than the fact that he pled the fifth “400 times”. To this point I think Trump has outmaneuvered, and outsmarted the Dems, and it pisses them off every time he wins!!! If he committed a crime lock him up. In the mean time, you better come up with something before we re-elect him in 2024!! Lol!
Nope. That’s the point of a search warrant.
“If he committed a crime lock him up.“
Completely agree. If any politician commits a crime then lock them up…L or R, D or R.
“In the mean time, you better come up with something before we re-elect him in 2024!! Lol!“
You sure about that? Going after womens rights and marginalized/dehumanizing other minority groups isn’t going to bring independents into the fold. Kansas, deep red Kansas, just lost the abortion vote. I wouldn’t be so confident Trump would win. He can’t win with his base alone and 2024 is a long way off in political years.
FWIW......This trackable chain thing is a red herring and likely incorrect. We know of at least one individual who did not have a security clearance nor a need to know had access to some of Hil's emails. That person was the disgraced Anthony Wiener, then husband of Houma Abbadean. She was Hil's helper/gal pal. This was in the news at the time. The story is Wiener and Abbadean either shared the same laptop or same email account and Wiener was accessing both. I can say if a military bubba did that...they would have been charged.
That's the most used tactic on the left. If someone is guilty they should suffer the consequences. Whether you like Trump or not the fact is these leftist in DC, and the Neocons could care less about what is right.
As far as the "if they did the crime, they deserve the time". Even Ryan can see that what is happening to Trump isn't about that at all. It's 100% about making sure he can't run again. If it was about "alleged" crimes then our current president and his son would be having the same things happen to them. As we all can see, ITS NOT.
Luckily a senior FBI agent was leading the investigation into Hillary's classified email scandal, to make sure it was on the up and up. Agent Peter Strzok, remember him ??!!!
And that secret unannounced meeting between Bill Clinton and AG Lynch on the airport tarmac was just a coincidence to catch up on grandkids and stuff. Wow. The stuff you are willing to believe is innocent when the Dems are involved !!
I have a feeling there are a lot of rich folks that wish Epstein never existed. Every politician in the last 40 years has partied with him at least once. Including Trump! The Uber rich don’t have a clique that big without some shinanigans going on. In this case I’m sure most of it was considered unacceptable to the mainstream folks.
Thats what i would do if in his shoes. His prior statements about only the mob taking the 5th look hypocritical now, but better than talking to an AG who clearly wants nothing more than to find something, anything to stick in your ass.
Like deep red Missouri and right to work.
Only hyper partisans see those votes as a talking points. Neither set a precedent.
In other news......some clown got in a mess at the FBI field office in Cincinnati. That was breaking.
I'm all for showing everything and let the chips fall where they may. But as I said earlier....this better be an iron clad and legit thing......"clear and present danger" type stuff. Otherwise....this will be seen as another anti-Trump FBI/DOJ hoax to play "gotcha" for the Jan 6 committee.
The other thought.....watch the fireworks blow up if some gotcha material from this raid shows up in the J6 committee. That will be funny to watch the fallout.
Whistleblower from "the inner circle"? Fkers.
Does anyone believe this would have happened if he announced he was retiring from politics?
I damn sure wouldn't believe HIM if he said that. >;-)
Joe and Hunter Biden Staying in $20 Million South Carolina Beachfront Mansion For Free
Nice to have white leftist friends in the South...
where all the Anti americans at??????????????????? I need your Anti american mental gymnastics....
looks like they raided Trumps mansion looking for some missing top secret nuclear weapons documents. Surprised? I'm not. I'm sure he had some good "business" ideas with them and his butt buddy putin.
but yes, tell me more about hunters laptop
So the Democrats hate cops but love the FBI. The Republicans love cops but hate the FBI. All for the team I guess.
That said, I think every President has done that and faced no consequence. Barack took 30,000 pages of stuff, never returned it. The Clintons took classified material related to the lead up of 9/11 and stole items out of the Whitehouse like people stealing soap from a hotel. Never answered for it. Not to mention the dump truck full of classifieds on Hillary’s private server.
This is totally unnecessary and unprecedented. You can hate Trump, that’s fine. But, to act like this isn’t political, this isn’t a two tier justice system, the DOJ and all other 3 letter fascists, haven’t been completely corrupted, is just flat out stupid.
looks like Trump took "special access" information too. Something that's above top secret/so important that only select individuals are meant to look at it.
Party with the Saudis earlier in the year? I bet he made a great deal selling those to them.
FBI came and collected what he wasn't suppose to have months ago.
However Trump did not give it all back hence the raid.
The raid stems from an informant within Trumps circle. My bet? Melania, she clearly hates him. Have you ever seen how she holds his hand.... oh wait she WONT
How any of you bowlib clowns can continue to support this blatant charade is beyond me.
“MSNBC contributor and historian Michael Beschloss posted a tweet on Thursday evening recounting historical figures who had been executed for sharing U.S. nuclear secrets with foreign governments, and a former CIA chief shared the post with his own approving tweet.”
Wow, is that the narrative-du-jour? That's some deep conspiracy bullshite right there.
I don't know about you Dana but with the likes of Peter Strock and Lisa Page saying they will do anything to stop Trump from winning, Comey releasing classified documents to the media and conspiring against Trump and his cover up of Hilary I don't put anything past that corrupt organization.
So the FBI does a pre-dawn raid at the home of journalist James O'Keefe on the grounds someone had given to him Biden's daughter's lost diary that supposedly has her saying that he took unwarranted and inappropriate baths with her as a child. Funny how the FBI never raided the NY Times or Rachel Maddow when they had Trumps confidential papers and copies of tax returns.
As for the alleged diary of Biden's addict daughter, well, that ought to pull him down.
Meanwhile, 400 times. >;-)
He didn't...that's an obvious photoshop. And a poor one.
Besides the nation going through these convolutions (that's the worst), the next worst is that because of the ongoing lying of a liar which frothed up a sizeable chunk of the nation, a guy decided to go try and kill some FBI agents, ending up getting suicide by LEO. That sucks. That guy died, quite literally, because he's been worked into a conspiratorial frenzy by a guy who is completely full of poop.
Who know's whats ultimately found in there. The end point, again, is that it's not a question, there were documents that were not supposed to be there removed earlier in the year, and others were asked for repeatedly, apparently even via a now ignored subpoena, and finally those things were collected via search warrant. It may prove to be a smack on the wrist. Who knows.
Democrats paid a guy. Only leftists get that irrational. Their voting blocks burn down their own neighborhoods an Democrats buy them bricks....
literally had the the highest form of classified document possible, illegally.
Word from where? Give us your 'sources' so we can all have a good yuk. >;-)
Ohhhh…the irony from the conspiracy idiot
Dana and Ks are exempt from answering due to the obvious
And make it 'obvious' instead of 'so convoluted you need a flowchart to keep track of the vast conspiracy'.
Ohhhh…the irony from the conspiracy idiot
Irrationalism and name calling from the leftist, no surprise.
Critical thinking means you don't discount theories especially when so many are being proven fact.
Please don't burn your food plots, you give leftist politicians what they want.
Ironic how you guys get all giddy about potentially executing a former president ( will never happen by the way) for the same thing every prior exiting president has done. Yet you scold the opposition for “wanting another civil war”. Cheap talk about a civil war is one thing. The fact that the Democrats are consciously pushing to start one is a whole different animal. Same narrative…push Americans to their breaking point and then turn the blame back on them. I still find it hard to believe that some of you support it.
Critical thinking means you reject overly complicated 'theories' when a simple explanation suffices. Apply Occam's razor.
Silly analogy. Silly.
"Trump stands in the way of the globalist one world agenda..."
Also known as 'business' - as in 'people who would rather make money.' And yes, I get that a lot of Big Businesses are crap. I've ranted about that elsewhere. But the idea that a billionaire from NYC is anti-big Business is a silly joke. See Trump's tax cuts. You got 200 bucks, they got two trillion. You sold your souls cheaply.
However its the same "They" that had a prime time TV hearing to have their star witness claim Trump choked and tried to overpower secret service agents to commandeer the presidential limo from the back seat. LOLOLOL
That's why you believed the Steele dossier?
If your truly objective, oftentimes your KISS evaluation may be correct.
Sometimes, throwing even wild theories spurs thought that may get you out of your leftist cave because you misinterpreted the shadows.
The error code disables the ABS, traction control, and all 4x4 functionality of the truck, which is a serious problem for my ongoing sheep hunt.
Do any of you have suggestions, or should I abort my hunt and take it to a shop?
someone is lying here
either the Govt is lying about what those documents are, or Trump and team are
Stealthycat, one of Trump's lawyers signed a statement that all materials had *already* been turned over. How much you want to bet that he won't be thrown under the bus? He's due for a lesson in loyalty.
get in line for an electric silverado and reschedule your hunt for 2038.
FBI concludes Alec Baldwin pulled trigger in Halyna Hutchins shooting on movie set
Let’s not hijack the political threads please! This is Bowsite, not Mechanics Corner.
Back to the topic:
“Also known as 'business' - as in 'people who would rather make money.'”
So what you’re saying is, Trump not taking a salary as president was just a deflection of what he REALLY had in mind?! Interesting…
Bet he covered that *generous* salary return ten times over. Pity we can't see his returns...
I think you are wrong. My gut tells me they do care what it is called, and it is why the name is being changed.
Contracting this virus is important to them. It's a crutch, a way to differentiate, become a victim and excuse or overlook the behavior. Another way to deceive. The labeling or name of it is important for that reason.
It's like the Green New Deal was changed to the Inflation Reduction Act.
I like to listen to what Jonathan Turley has to say. I think he may be more of a Libertarian than anything else. He can explain things in a deck plate fashion and make sense regardless of whether a D or an R.
When him and Gen Jack (Keane) speak....it's wise to listen.
My thought as well.
I'm more interested in the soon-to-be-released affidavits and why, exactly they felt the need to conduct the search.
Your Hate Carries you Along like a Colorado stream
You are a sad person for sure
I think the smart guy in this is Gov DeSantis quietly sitting on the sidelines watching what happens. Speaking of Gov DeSantis and voter fraud.....
This case regarding Clinton is a precedent that will likely see the heads roll up the food chain to the top of the DOJ and FBI over the whole unlawful entry to President Trump’s home.
Bullshit. There's a process even precious Donnie was required to follow. And he can NOT declassify, for instance, military secrets. Even if Putain is paying well for them.
I know some of you Trumpsters think the President has god-like powers but those in high office are heavily constrained, and for good reason!
Is that what you said when Obama did the same thing? It seems as though the anti trumpers also think they have the same ‘god-like’ powers.
Trump can bleat all he wants that 'they're declassified because I said so' but he will ultimately find out that, in a constitutional republic, power has limits. (Something he has refused to believe all his life. )
Shawn- I’ll take that bet.
There’s a nice delineated bubble for you.
For example, I can give credit to Trump for the vaccines and mandate during Covid, building the wall, economic growth, and the Great American Outdoors Act. He did a good job with those examples and I commend him. Can you give any credit to Obama or Biden for anything? If no, you live in an alternate reality…a bubble of your own making.
I’d love to see the list
As if that self-centered egomaniac spoiled child is capable of caring about anyone but the guy in the mirror. Beware of anyone who tells you _exactly_ what you want to hear. You're just chumps to them.
Lol…Yet you believe everything China Joe told you about COVID?! Seems as though both parties have their own supply of chumps to go around?!
The funny thing about these debates is that no matter what any of us say about one side or the other, is that they can be flipped to fit either argument.
That's unfortunate but it is reality. That leaves policy and results.
“That doesn't make me a Trumpster, does it?”
No, the fact that you’re so obsessed by him, is what makes you a Trumpster!
I'm 'obsessed' with seeing him forever shut out of politics and having no further influence on any of it, or us. Doesn't quite make me a fanboy, no...
And actually any less either.
Judge says FBI’s evidence for searching Mar-a-Lago is ‘reliable’
But if it makes your leg tingle Go for it
Oh yeah, he's going to expose the crooks and the space lizards and build a thousand mile wall, and replace Obamacare with something better. Or maybe they just recognize him as a loose cannon who needs to be secured? Leavenworth or Ossining...
You got it Bad Dude. He owns your head 24-7. Actually really funny
You ARE a Trumper. Lmfao!
I remember a lot of things the US Govt and our leaders have told us .... they lie, and they lie bigly sometimes
Lmao! He’s already begun to expose the crooks and space lizards! You and the rest of the Dems wouldn’t be so obsessed by him if he didn’t pose a threat to your swamp people! Lol twist it as you wish, most of us aren’t ignorant enough to listen to your left wing fantasies.
Did you hear? China Joe is secretly completing the wall Trump started. But we can’t tell the American people about that because the may call him a traitor for agreeing with Trump!
DOJ did not ask that Trump transport the documents to NARA or to the FBI. It asked only that he KEEP them there in that insecure room, which would indicate DOJ was not concerned at that time the documents were at risk of being compromised.
Then later said he needed a better lock?
Sounds like another set up. Even worse than Whitmer.
The moron did not define what that means but I think it means they have the uniform, without the swastika Armband ??
Coherent as ever, Shawn. >;-)
"What we saw in the unredacted portions is not just probable cause, but overwhelming evidence of three serious federal crimes, one of which was espionage," Tribe said. "And in footnote two of the of the affidavit on page 22, in footnote two, the affidavit explains that all of this stuff about the president's declassifying the material is bogus. not only was there no standing declassification order, but the espionage law doesn't make anything turn on whether something is called classified or not."
"What this does is point directly to Donald Trump in a way that will make it impossible for Merrick Garland not to seek an indictment," Tribe said. "Because unlike the complicated issues involved in the attempted coup and the insurrection, where Trump did his very best to keep he has fingerprints off of the actual manipulation of the electoral slates and all the rest, here, not only his fingerprints, but his distinctive handwriting is on the top-secret documents."
PS, Rocky, I don't usually hate or curse, but for a few special cases - Putain, Bin Laden, and Trump for instance, I say 'may they find Hillary attractive' >;-)
Seems to be as important as the Russian Collusion or more so?? Wait a minute……,,
and now Marolago...
Give us all a break. This story makes taco farts smell like Chanel Number 5 by comparison.
Now, back to Mar-A-Largo.
And your point is? Are we going to pretend that nobody here ***hates*** Joe Biden, or Hillary, or Obama, or whatever? I prefer honesty to dog-whistling.
(And yeah, there's a list of people I don't 'hate' but damn sure despise. Hatred is for the chosen few.)
Sure is, everyone knows politicians kids peddle influence, smoke crack, weigh Crack for sale, and lead FBI guys resign for covering for them.
Pretty much means nothing anymore, just like racist, fascist, pedophile, etc.
Leftists now use equity, antifa, and minor attracted person.....
Run away to some place with no extradition treaty...
They have traveled together on government business trips to places like China.
The laptop proved Hunter was Joe's advisor, because he advised his business partners to give "the big guy" his 10 percent!!
Lol!! Is that what your ‘Reliable Sources’ host Brian Stelter told you before he got yanked from the air?
And I suppose it wasn’t actually Zuckerberg we saw on TV telling America that Facebook is guilty of spreading misinformation on behalf of the FBI?!!
I’ll quit yanking your chain as soon as you post something credible. You know, proof, or the equivalent. Until then, you’re rapidly becoming the head ‘sheep’. Your knees get dirtier every time you post your fantasies!
The pee dossier was a myth Russian collusion was a myth Ukranian pay for play was a myth Biden fairly winning the election was a myth Trump directing a Jan 6th attack on the Capitol was a myth
ALL of it thoroughly investigated and no conviction made.
The laptop in question did in fact belong to Hunter, is filled with his personal emails and videos, and no journalist has investigated and ever shown otherwise. Even the Biden family finally admitted it could be his (LOL).... NEVER saying it absolutely was not.
Baseless unproven accusation
“Russian collusion was a myth”
Hmmm…I remember something about a meeting with Don Jr and Russians. I also remember DJT asking Russia to find some emails. Never went to court. The senate didn’t have the balls to impeach.
“Ukrainian pay for play was a myth“
No he actually asked for a political favor from a foreign president then slow played the military assistance. It’s in the transcript. He just wasn’t convicted by the senate in an impeachment. The vote was hardly based on evidence as evident by the vote along political lines.
“Biden fairly winning the election was a myth“
Wrong. This was actually processed constitutionally in court and Trump lost or the +60 cases were dismissed due to lack of standing. Not even close to a myth.
“Trump directing a Jan 6th attack on the Capitol was a myth“
LMAO. Trump absolutely played a part on January 6. He asked them to march to the capital. His culpability or how much he played a part remains to be seen.
“ALL of it thoroughly investigated and no conviction made“
This is certainly true for the Trump rigged election claim but you seem to ignore that. You also ignore that all the other cases were tried in a political hearings and not a court of law. There’s certainly a difference.
Acting like all these things are equal is disingenuous at best.
Don’t worry Dana, it’s locked away safely in the same spot as all of that ‘Damning evidence’ you have on Trump!!!
“Acting like all these things are equal is disingenuous at best.”
But wait, I thought liberals demanded that all things have to be equal? Obviously… all except for equal justice under the law!!!
You guys are a riot!!! “He asked them to march to the capital.”
Uh… so what? He never directed anyone to break the law. Now, Ray Epps, (another liberal myth) who’s evidence IS on video, and did in fact tell protesters to “go inside the Capitol “…when will the Dems decide to subpoena him? A lot of us would like to hear his story. Please explain to us why we will NEVER hear from the real perpetrators of the FBI led insurrection.
The same guy who says I’m disingenuous makes this statement. As if the right wing media isn’t roasting Biden like left wing media roasted Trump.
“Please explain to us why we will NEVER hear from the real perpetrators of the FBI led insurrection.“
Frankly it’s because you premise is a failure and you are delusional. The FBI is responsible…c’mon 70 you are smarter than that. Stay away from the conspiracy BS. What are we up to now? 800 Trumpers arrested for January 6th? Trump owns what happened on January 6th. It will forever haunt him and he can thank Shawn Magyar and ilk like him for that.
So, Trump had things that belong to the USA, NOT him, refused to return them and then it's found many were classified and should never have been moved at all.
Given that, even without the information gathered at the search of MAL, he was, factually, in possession of materials which are highly illegal for anyone to have outside those in very specific gvmt positions. Trump was not in one of those positions. And again, he had material illegal for him to possess BEFORE, months before, the FBI searched MAL and found MORE materials he illegally possessed.
Now, will he get penalized for this?
No idea. But given the information so far, it's hard to see how he could avoid trouble.
No idea. But given the information so far, it's hard to see how he could avoid trouble.”
Will, get with the program. All of that is a total myth!!!!
“Difference between someone who is 'biased' and an actual eye witness.”
You’re sharp as a tack Dana! We just can’t get one over on you. I mean, with your credibility and all.
Nobody is above the law regardless of who they are or if their name is Biden or Trump.
Ironic; I was just thinking the exact same thing about you! Whooda thunk?!
I'm confident he gets on here and reads them and then laughs hysterically at the completely nonsensical b.s. that gets posted.
They are truly a miniature social experiment.
Did Hillary go to jail for conducting all her government business on a private server, or destroying emails on her own and then wiping the computer clean?? How about Comey leaking classified info to the NYTimes, and leaving with his personal notes covering classified government meetings? What about Louis Lerner using the IRS to target conservatives and destroying those computer records? Or FBI agents Strzok and Paige 'losing' several phones to conceal their anti-Trump plans? Or Hunter the crackhead buying a gun illegally? Or Obama's A.G. Holder, who was charged with contempt and never turned over his documents???
C'mon with your bullsh1t soapbox. You can't let one political ideology run wild without consequences and THEN declare with fake righteousness that anyone who breaks the law should be punished the same way... AFTER it didn't happen.
^^^^^^^Any of these folks elected officials at the National level?^^^^^^^^
REALLY???? From the guy supporting Biden whose son met with Ukraine, China, and Russia taking millions in payroll and gifts from them?!?!?!?? Do you ever step out of your political bubble to think about the B.S. what you are trying to peddle here??!!???
You can't beat the Trump reality show for entertainment.
FBI/Facebook election tampering, Perceived impropriety on diary, laptop, Jan 6, marolago. FBI is a train wreck.
The only advantage the leftists have got is their nonsensical rage and willingness to stuff ballots.
They need to be out of power and hopefully this trouncing during midterms won't lead to an attempted violent overthrow.
They have shown us they can rally their "peaceful protesters" much more effectively than Trump.
Less morality with leftists makes them more prone to violence.
That's why the leftist claims of domestic violence from the right are so ridiculous. Fake news....
I wonder why AG Barr never pressed any charges for those you listed? I’m sure there’s some conspiracy theory that fits in here somewhere.
It sure seems to me that your the BS pusher if you think it’s all one party. Trump is a walking swamp. How many cronies did he pardoned? He’s just a con man.
I’m on a soapbox when I want equal justice but you want justice for only one political party. You come off your BS soapbox.
But agents were "explicitly prohibited" by his representatives from searching any boxes inside a storage room at Mr Trump's property, according to the latest filing.
Mr Bratt, from the DOJ, said this gave "no opportunity for the government to confirm" that no classified documents remained at the property.
Evidence was also found that the records were "likely concealed and removed" from the storage and that efforts were "likely taken" to obstruct the investigation, officials said.
Following the June visit, FBI teams searched Mr Trump's property again in August - where they found over a hundred classified documents.
This was twice as many classified documents found "in a matter of hours" than by the "diligent search" that Mr Trump's team claimed they had previously carried out.
Mr Bratt said that this "casts doubt on the extent of co-operation in this matter". ""
Dirty partisan FBI officials lied in FISA applications to conduct espionage against a political opponent, while leaking to liberal news outlets to slander Trump. Orchestrated, choreographed, and coordinated to steal the election!
The same way CNN gave Hillary the debate questions ahead of time in an effort to help steal the election.
The same way Democrats in government weaponized and exploited the covid virus to dramatically expand vote-by-mail and open up an avenue to stuff waves of new ballot boxes and steal the election.
The same way the corrupt FBI tanked the Hunter Biden laptop story long enough to steal the election.
Look - you can save your liberal bullsh1t for someone else. These stunts will forever destroy any faith in free and fair elections... the real fundamental bedrock of our democracy. There may be no coming back from this. And you and your kind will be solely to blame.
It’s a matter of perspective since It also casts doubt on the FBI and the extent of legitimacy in this matter.
You keep changing the story to make him look like he’s guilty, yet, you still have nothing.
"It’s a matter of perspective..." Your 'perspective' is a total refusal to consider that Trump screwed up. There's loyalty and then there's 'blind' loyalty. The latter has all the 'perspective' of tunnel vision.
Documents have always been subject to Executive Privilege. Trump didn't take evidence regarding possible Election Theft, and destroy it with hammers and bleachbit.
You can't just "set a new precedent", because you bear a deep hatred (or, possibly, are in fear of) somebody who held the Oval Office 2 years ago. That basically makes this "not America".
Revision #101 of "Trump is going down this time" :^D
I agree lying to get a warrant should come with jail time. I think the dossier was originally funded by Republicans then they dropped it and it was peddled to the Democrats. Regardless, I’m glad the FISA information came out and the IG recommendations for changing the process. Not that it matters but 2 of the 4 FISA warrants for page were demeaned legit by the IG.
“The same way CNN gave Hillary the debate questions ahead of time in an effort to help steal the election.“
Yep that’s BS and Clinton paired dearly for her shenanigans.
“The same way Democrats in government weaponized and exploited the covid virus to dramatically expand vote-by-mail and open up an avenue to stuff waves of new ballot boxes and steal the election.”
You actually think that only democrats expanded mail in voting? Regardless that we were voting during a pandemic involving a highly contagious respiratory virus that has killed over 1 million Americans. Mail in voting rightfully was expanded and backed up constitutionally by +60 state and federal courts.
“The same way the corrupt FBI tanked the Hunter Biden laptop story long enough to steal the election.“
I believe this is still under investigation. I could care less since Hunter I didn’t vote for him nor is he in the cabinet. There’s a lot of smoke there and I hope karma gets him. If his father was involved while VP with anything illegal then I hope he gets what’s coming to him.
You can take your BS elsewhere. Trump and his rabid supporters have done more to destroy democracy than any persons in my lifetime.
I love the outrage about lying but yet you support Trump. Outrage at bias news while consuming right wing bias news.
Trump habitual liar and narcissist. Irony at its best.
Let’s get rid of Trump and Biden in 2024.
No, they'll systematically categorize it all to determine if anything constitutes an actual threat to US security. DoJ under Garland is acting methodically. If there is an actual case to be made they won't jeopardize it with cheap sensationalism. They'll make dam' sure it's iron-clad.
Only until he’s found guilty of a blatant crime. I don’t believe in prosecuting someone simply because I don’t like them, or because I’m afraid they’ll win.
Dana, have you ever been falsely accused of something and had to defend yourself over it? It sucks, and despite YOUR blind loyalty, it’s a much bigger threat to our democracy than DJT has still not yet proven to be.
You have a list for that assertion?
Every day it looks more and more like we are headed for a national divorce due to irreconcilable differences. I hope it goes well.
What do you expect from a crazed leftist? He actually thinks half the voters are freaking fascist, Nazi, racists because Colbert told him so.
Since it was brought up....
FISC judges did not ask a single question of the FBI affiants who swore to the fraudulent wiretap applications to spy on Trump adviser from 2016-2017 before they approved them.
“It is disturbing that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance courts rubber-stamped the Carter Page spy warrants and held not one hearing on these extraordinary requests to spy on the Trump team,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
Nope. That’s not what I said but nice try. But you already knew that.
I don’t know what is funnier. Your obtuseness or that you think half of the country are rabid Trumpers. There’s that bubble again.
How about 'when there's a ton of evidence'? When there is blatant obstruction?
The silly thing is, Trump could have prevented all this. He could have turned over all relevant papers between the election and leaving office. Or when asked for the papers, he could have asked *then* for a 'special master' to determine which papers he was entitled to retain due to attorney-client privilege. Or he and his idiot lawyers could have turned over all the papers back in January instead of less than a third. Or he could have surrendered the rest of the papers back in June. He had ***multiple*** opportunities to cooperate, act within the law, and avoided the warrant and search which the DoJ/FBI ***finally*** decided was the only way to secure the papers. Neither he, nor his lawyers, or any of his die-hard supporters have a legitimate complaint now. He played smartass and lost. Now he may well stand trial for treason and espionage.
Personally, I think the falling-out between him and Giuliani will be even funnier than the Depp-and-Heard show.
DNC Advisor Says MAGA Republicans are ‘a Domestic Terrorist Cell’ Even Though Wearing a MAGA Hat Will Still Get You Beaten by violent leftists....
There isn't a debate to be had on whether they were there (the classified docs). The only debate is whether he should or shouldnt be prosecuted.
On a side note do you think Trump possibly had Grants battle plans for Gettysburg Battle , because those have not been declassified yet
I guess we will eventually find out. It must be serious or the govt would not had moved so quickly!!
Actually it takes an assigned special exception/permission for a document to remain classified beyond 75 years.
Multiple youtube videos look for yourself...
Joe said he is going to stop the crime wave by.........wait for it........."the answer is fund the police".
I know some trumpettes are dumb but they will never be dumb as a leftist voter.
No wonder they burn their own neighborhoods on a moments notice.
Maybe you should make a call and remind whomever is in charge of such things
Gflight the staged photo is priceless.
What’s next when this does not accomplish the gotcha they are looking for
Either being a Biden Voter is nothing to be proud of...or Dems in general are just pussies, lol !
Somebody should ask Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin if there is an exception to the regulation for uniform service members to participate at Democrat campaign events.
Nothing like using that taxpayer money for personal gain.....
A newly disclosed letter shows “robust negotiations” between NARA and Trump’s attorney......
Of course the photo was staged. That's how you record evidence in an investigation and discovery of that type.
The nimrod kept documents he shouldn't have. He was asked to give them all back. He didn't. I don't personally think he did it to sell the information to foreign powers. I think he did it out of arrogance, and because he surrounds himself with people who aren't the brightest. But whatever the reason, he got caught and got in a pickle. Even HE hasn't disputed that the documents were there.
And no....there isn't more to it than that.
Oh why didn’t you say so earlier. That settles it.
Elkmntgear- I highly doubt you have ever looked a grown man in the eyes and called him a p#%sy.
Never mind the fact we might be paying 80% of our income in taxes...Joe is gonna take care of us. That Big Government Utopia is right around the corner and it's almost here..never mind our liberty, the Republicans will keep us "safe" and the Democrats will keep us "healthy", excluding the unborn of course.
Lol! Oh gullible one, there’s a LOT more to it than that!!!
I have a feeling we’ll be shifting gears soon. Today China joe will address his minions to instruct them of the next evolution in operations pertaining to the ‘Trump eradication’ plan. He’ll announce new narratives to follow, new buzz words, new forms of racial and gender discrimination, and new potential targets to accompany the ongoing barrage of stupidity and fear mongering!
Of course, he could try to bring the country to a common ground. Obama could have accomplished that, but it’s just not in the lefties nature to play fair. I suppose we can place bets on which scenario will play out, but the odds won’t be good.
Everything that DJT asked for he got. The inventory list was made public, the affidavit was made as public as it could be (it's very common to redact and protect grand jury information) pictures were released etc.. The PROBLEM is that the details don't fit the narrative that DJT and idiots that he has advising him want them to fit. He hasn't been charged with a crime yet and people are rushing to defend him from one.
It is REALLY hard when people are suffering from such an infatuation as about 13.5% of the public does for them to admit that the people/party that they worship sometimes just does stupid stuff....and gets caught.
There has not been a President in modern history who was more adept at "new narratives to follow, new buzz words, new forms of racial and gender discrimination, and new potential targets to accompany the ongoing barrage of stupidity and fear mongering!" then the one who was voted out of office..period.
And as for gullibility, I'm probably one of the LEAST gullible people that you will ever encounter.
But do feel free to carry on. I for one find these threads to be wildly entertaining and placing trying to shift the responsibility and blame to a "deep state", shadow government" operation does seem to make some folks feel better.
Or you could say, No evidence has been found, yet people are rushing to find SOMETHING they can hang him for.
It goes both ways. I say if he’s found guilty of anything, then he should be charged. Yet you say, if he isn’t found guilty of anything, we’ll make something up!!
“And as for gullibility, I'm probably one of the LEAST gullible people that you will ever encounter.”
Impossible,…you support lynch mob mentality. you eagerly devour every bit of spin, twist, and manipulation the mainstream media can shove down your throat!!!
A good start would be to allow the man to defend himself from false accusations. But you knew that. You also knew that he is as entitled to a fair trial as the next guy, yet there is too much at stake here to risk his potential innocence and allow him the same considerations. At least, that’s what the MSM has openly admitted.
"“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.” Mark Twain
There were no "false accusations" made. The proof of the accusations was found in house and HE STILL HASN"T DENIED THAT!!!!. He even made a post on his imitation Twitter platform last night ADMITTING that he had the documents.
Who was it that encouraged people to assault the U.S. Capital, and had a campaign rally chant of "Lock her up" and STILL tries to discredit the election, and is so poorly handled that he goes on social media to DEMAND to be reinstated as president or have a new election held? He surrounds himself with idiots. Steve Bannon, Rudy, that ignorant attorney Sidney Powell that was going to 'REALEASE THE KRACKEN!!!!" and all those others and it makes him look completely and absolutely pitiful..
Ahh how quickly we forget and how obviously we try to pass blame and make excuses for a dim wit.
You talk about gullible bunch calling people gullible. It's actually preposterous some of the garbage that tries to get passed off as "truth" in these threads.
Good point. Let’s start with the following:
“Who was it that encouraged people to assault the U.S. Capital, “
Are you implying that it was Trump? As far as I know nobody has any proof that he encouraged an assault. Now, there is a video of Ray Epps calling to “enter the Capitol”! But for some reason you guys have no interest in THAT morsel of truth!!? I still don’t know understand your refusal to look into him.
In other words, you’re just another high-horse lefty that has indulged in way too much koolaid!
You have no earthly idea whether I am from the left, the right or the middle. All you know is that I have no allegiance to a moron.
But, you do make assumptions based on how you want things to be. Not actually how they are.
Again, it doesn't fit the right narrative to think that someone from the left or middle doesn't worship DJT and his stupidity or entertain his lunacy. But do carry on.
Talk about drinking Kool-aid....man.
Moron or not, that’s the truth of it. But, you guys keep on keeping on with your party politics. It’s done America good hasn’t it.
Please show us where he called for violence.
“But, you do make assumptions based on how you want things to be. Not actually how they are.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!! Lol! You haven’t had proof of any wrongdoing, yet you’re scared enough to conjure up anything you can to stop him.
I hope you’re not as ignorant as the rest of the lefties to think vigilante Justice is back in style?!
We have a lot worse situation to be concerned about now. We have a leader that has done a good job of destroying everything he touches. Talk about gullible, people that don't see their Marxist agenda are very gullible
Libertarians and democrats are fleeing the crazies party...
I guess I would have to choose the ATF writing law to define machine guns over the Leftists threatening social media to supress speech to win an election.
LMAO!!! Trump's lawyers are a complete clown car of incompetents. He doesn't hire 'the best', he hires those who agree with him. *Good* lawyers would have told him to turn over all the papers immediately - or ask back then for a 'special master' to oversee the process. The clown car is playing catch-up.
The thing I’ve never understood about liberal based ideology is the jealousy of other people who’s done well for themselves.
Like I said earlier, this isn’t a popularity contest. It’s electing the best person for the job. Right now, that’s anyone not associated with making a career out of politics. That happens to be Trump. Hopefully someone else follows his path. Because party politicians are killing this country.
Barr spoke directly to Republican outcries about the nature of the “unprecedented” search of a former president, offering a counterpoint: “It’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club.”
“And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jaw bone for a year. They were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. They then went and got a subpoena. They were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. And so how long, you know, how long do they wait?” Barr said in an interview on Fox News."
Even if that was true in 2016, if Trump were re-elected his whole 'mission' would be personal vendetta. If you want someone else 'non-political' then what will you do if/when the GOP nominates another insider?
And please let's not pretend that any Senator or Governor is not an insider. DeSantis, Haley, Pence and Palin are all insiders.
They who? The IRS has always had his tax returns. All other candidates have freely made their public. What is Trump hiding?
You’ve had, how many investigations for, how many years to determine that??!! Now you suddenly act as though he’s hiding something?
I must say Dana, you are definitely… “ate up” with it! Lol!
Basically spoiled goods at this point
"The thing I’ve never understood about liberal based ideology is the jealousy of other people who’s done well for themselves."
Covetousness kills contentment, joy, and peace.
PS love the pop psychology. Learn that from Dr Oz?
You’ve had, how many investigations for, how many years to determine that??!! Now you suddenly act as though he’s hiding something? I must say Dana, you are definitely… “ate up” with it! Lol! "
And the investigations (in NY) are *still* going on, Trump is *still* stonewalling, we *still* don't know what his real net worth is, etc. etc. etc. And that's just the business side of it. *Real* TDS is insisting that, in spite of the smoke, there can't possibly be a fire.
"Now you suddenly act as though he’s hiding something?"
Suddenly? I've been asking the same question - what is he hiding? - since summer of 2016. Ain't no suddenly about it. Just because the Trumpsters have bought into the myth of him as a 'self-made man' doesn't mean everyone is drinking from the same pitcher of koolaid.
All hype political hit and they did the raid to leak his tax returns for 2024.
He will be the next President....
Assuming it's the tax returns ??
Actually not. Why do you assume that Trump's tax returns are 'classified' ? Most of us actually understand what the word means. Like 'pertaining to the national security of the United States.'
But you be you and go right on being obtuse.
Yeah…Cuz china joes admin is totally concerned with the national security of the US?!! Lol! Too funny!
Funny, you don’t follow the same logic when it comes to Hunters laptop, and a flood of criminals, pouring over our borders!
I don’t recall, but didn’t you refer to the border crisis as a “red herring” ? And who was it that coined the phrase, “The laptop' is the silliest story around”?
Maybe it’s silly to you since you support the practice of ignoring such security threats to our country. I bet the families that have lost their teenagers to the scourge of fentanyl flowing over our border don’t think it’s silly either. You voted to invite (without consequences) terrorists and drug dealers into the country. But apparently Trump has YOU blinded by the facts that you refuse to acknowledge.
And no, I’m not deflecting from your Trump fantasies, I’m just waiting until someone actually finds that a real crime has occurred.
But, I digress. As you always say *crickets*.
Should have let him go rather than ballot stack. He would be dealing with troubles from all the money he printed up.
The next person not Biden (second +) would have surely been better than either.
I will remind you of this sometime in Nov-Jan 2024......
LMAO!!! What have you Trumpers been doing since 2016? What were the rioters of Jan 6th doing? What are the Trump apologists STILL doing?
But he hasn't been *convicted* of anything! Well shoot, he's got at least 19 lawyers delaying at least 8 separate investigations into his shady crap, and yeah, as long as they can delay he is technically 'innocent', but long term his best hope is a massive coronary incident.
But you're *still* trying to deflect *this* conversation away from Trump.
But first, let’s hear why the lawsuit was thrown out, shall we? Keep in mind that the judge was appointed by slick Willy’, so we can be sure that there isn’t any political bias or favoritism in play here right?
“He dismissed the idea that Trump had sued to correct an actual legal harm, saying that "instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum."”
They needed those tax records. Not about the classified stuff at all.
The fact that you think the laptop doesn't exist says a lot about you and your ilk.
Meanwhile, back at Mar-A-Largo...
11th Circuit Panel (including two Trump appointed judges): Um.....Nope.
Does that mean you support the act of finding Ray Epps, and putting him on the stand to explain the video of him urging people to “go inside” the Capitol?
. "James Ray Epps was at the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. But there is no evidence that he was an FBI plant assigned to instigate the riot, as a conspiracy theory — embraced by at least two members of Congress — claims. There is evidence, however, that Epps once held a leadership role in the Oath Keepers, some of whose members have been charged in the attack."
How is it a violation of the 4th and an "illegal raid"if they obtained a proper warrant, based on the LIES his lawyers told?
Slurp all the koolaid you please, he stole documents and lied about it, and all the special masters and legal delays are just postponing the inevitable.
There are many emotional arguments for the guy, I guess. He sure owned the libs. I guess he tried to build a wall, never got a bit of help from Mexico. Ill give him credit for Operation warp speed. I'm convinced that happens with any president from the past 40yrs, but he was the unlucky person in there when a global pandemic happened, so good on him for trying to help make something happen, and it was very successful.
Overall, they guy was never a leader, always acts like a petulant kindergartener, treats anyone he cant get complimented by like dog crap, oh, and factually removed classified documents that belong to the USA, returned some after a subpoena, then was caught having NOT returned all he legally claimed to have (literally none of that is in question - even by his team)... He could have prevented literally EVERYTHING about the Mar a Lago deal if during the first year of NARA pestering for the materials he had just said: "oopsie, here you go". But everything that literally is Donalds fault, is clearly ONLY other peoples evil intent... it was bad contractors wanting money from the good rich man that kept suing when he stiffed them. It was just locker room talk, all guys do it. It was a cancer charity, we didnt mean to take the money for ourselves, just an oversight. It was a good school for entrepreneurs, we didnt mean to not really educate and keep the money.
If a less serious, more petulant, softer, less manly (ironic given the current right wing focus on "manliness") and whinier person has ever held the office of POTUS - no one reading this was alive to see it.
Ill get obliterated for this post. I know. And that's fine. Objectively, those comments above are all based in reality - not reQuality. or GQP reality. The actual one where the earth is round and spins and goes around the sun and stuff.
Was Regan / Bush / Clinton / Bush / Obama / Biden, hell, Nixon, a better president than DJT... Yes. And it's really not close. The guy presided over an economy that had been gradually growing for like 7-8 years when he took office and it grew at nearly the same rate - with the guy prior seeing better GDP over his last 3 years (peaks) vs DJT, and DJT seeing the stock market go up a bit more. At best, he treated the world like crap and tried to destroy or really mar decades long international friendships in favor of autocrats or autocrat wannabees (Orban, anyone)
Is the current guy the greatest president ever? God no. Is he a more serious person and recognizing that when you ARE the greatest nation, your responsibility is to LEAD... yes. Doesnt mean I love every national or international decision... But he at least appears to understand diplomacy and that gvmt is NOT business.
I just cant with the DJT was the greatest president in lifetimes or whatever any more. So I guess, that's perfect, because his biggest win, was owning the libs. Good job then.
Our country declining is what lead to Trump being elected and if you think he was scary, hold on tight because history shows that when the pain gets intense enough, people will opt for the strongest medicine regardless of side effects.
Trumps flaws were personality and character. Those leave when the person leaves. The current policy disasters will be around long after the current administration has been replaced.
Biden can't lead himself off stage.
Now tell us about Hillary's sins again...
That’s because they don’t really hate Trump, as much as they fear him. They just can’t seem to fully cancel him…that’s the part they hate!!
THIS TOPIC is Trump and Mar-A-Largo. If you want to start a thread on Biden, or the economy, or Hillary, or Hunter's mythical laptop, or mortgage rates, or... then WHAT IS STOPPING YOU???
Bringing up all those non-Trump, non- M-A-L issues is a feeble attempt to deflect focus from the object of your worship, aka Donald The Blessed.
Sorry, but 'Delenda est Trump.'
Says the guy that doesn’t support due process, ‘legal’ immigration, peaceful protests, filibusters, the supreme court’s current structure, or…etc, etc, etc.
Does it ever get tiring being the moral authority on all things political? lol!
…Says the predator that’s ALWAYS watching closely…
Meanwhile he's celebrating the victory of an Italian neo-fascist, and the ascension of Stepford Amy to the Supreme Court.
Why should he be? Because Ou disagree with him? Maybe you should try to debate him the old fashioned way?!
Why, because I defend his right to say what’s on his mind? I never said I agreed with him. I haven’t agreed with you much lately either. Your political sailboat is starting to list a little to the Portside, but I don’t see that as reason to rally for your removal.
Anyways you’re wrong. DanaC is more my type!!
“It’s the economy stupid”
But Trump is gone for a few years so this a big sigh and all is good. The Moron factor is so alive and well with the left