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Who is surprised that Fauchi and the Biden admin is covering this up?

From Lancet; Professor Jeffrey Sachs told Current Affairs that he is “pretty convinced [COVID-19] came out of US lab biotechnology” and has warned that ongoing research could lead to another pandemic outbreak.

Sachs notes that scientists who dismissed the lab leak theory did so “before they had done any research at all,” adding “they’re creating a narrative. And they’re denying the alternative hypothesis without looking closely at it.”

Sachs points to the ‘gain of function’ research and the genetic markers found in the SARS-Cov-2 coronavirus that indicate it was manipulated to be more deadly.

“What’s interesting, and concerning if I may say so, is that the research that was underway very actively and being promoted, was to insert furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses to see what would happen. Oops!” Sachs states.

“They’re not looking,” Sachs says of scientists who dismiss the lab leak, adding “They just keep telling us, ‘Look at the market, look at the market, look at the market!’ But they don’t address this alternative. They don’t even look at the data. They don’t even ask questions. And the truth is from the beginning, they haven’t asked the real questions.”

Sachs further labels the efforts to distract from the lab research as “misdirection” and “sleight of hand”.

“There is a huge amount of reason to believe that that research was underway. Because there are published papers on this. There are interviews on this. There are research proposals. But NIH isn’t talking. It’s not asking. And these scientists have never asked either,” Sachs further asserts.

He continues, “From the very first day, they have kept hidden from view the alternative. And when they discuss the alternative, they don’t discuss the research program. They discuss complete straw men about the lab, not the actual kind of research that was underway, which was to stick furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses in a way that could have created SARS-Cov-2.”

The CCC is a nasty bunch. But, they dropped hints of this from the get go. And Faucci lied about it from the beginning to save face.

Accident or not is the only issue in my mind. And, whether you are convinced as I am or not doesn’t matter. But, if you are interested in the facts, you absolutely can’t deny the real possibility this came from a laboratory.

But, let’s talk about Trump’s vicious crime of stealing classified documents. Let’s report on how many ice creams he ate. Or, the Russian collusion. Or injecting bleach. Or his mastermind of the coup attempt on January 6. Or, ……

The CCC is a nasty bunch. But, they dropped hints of this from the get go. And Faucci lied about it from the beginning to save face.

Accident or not is the only issue in my mind. And, whether you are convinced as I am or not doesn’t matter. But, if you are interested in the facts, you absolutely can’t deny the real possibility this came from a laboratory.

But, let’s talk about Trump’s vicious crime of stealing classified documents. Let’s report on how many ice creams he ate. Or, the Russian collusion. Or injecting bleach. Or his mastermind of the coup attempt on January 6. Or, ……

b) his expertise is *economics*

And?...

Even more concerning, the plant genetic mutations they are working on. A plant Disease or a beetle. If you can imagine the ability to make certain crops fail on a large scale.

It seems that Daszak had been speaking at virology conferences about how they spliced the gene in what happens to be the one in a million same spot as theCovid virus we have now.

Some Scientists claim it as naturally occurring but no sample with the exact same genetic code has ever been found. All other naturally occurring viruses have been tracked: swine flu, SARS, bird flu, etc.

The fact that Daszak talked about this exact virus makeup before the fact makes it one in a million chance ( or more) the exact same molecules somehow evolved naturally.

Whats interesting is Obama shut this down during his presidency due to its danger…but then Fauchi handed it to the Chinese taking it off shore- deniability?

It seems to me this research if only for the antidotes but needs to be done but under our own control, not by a potential enemy. Hey Putin how bout we do a little trade for a bunch of that oil you are sending us?

Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan was nothing but a favor to the Chinese. A political show to validate the Chinese harassment of Taiwan. There will be a lot of bluffing. There will be a lot of threats. But, in the end America will watch the CCC take Taiwan if they decide too.

Citizens of every country on this planet needs a conservative, strong American president. Or, stuff like this happens.

One thing is for certain, Putin waited. Right or wrong, he’d never done this under a Trump presidency. Even the smallest village in Asia knows that. The Chinese wouldn’t be doing this either. None of this is as it is made to appear. It can’t be.

Ever read Eisenhower's Farewell Address? We were warned. And what did we do? Pissed away trillions in one third world shithole after another.

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I think it's like 70% with the other 30% going to the arms dealers.....

Heck, we know Biden has been paid to do it. They’d convict anyone they want on the evidence they have on hunter. To only use that to dig and charge Joe. If there was honesty in this.

That’s what cracks me up. You and others deplore Trump. And he’s one of the few that can’t be bought. That’s his beauty. He can’t be bought.

Than politicians that have never had a job or provided a single job for others. Yet have 3 mansions on a $160k salary.

I’m more concerned about how that politician got rich. Yet somehow their tax returns don’t show all that income. Obviously the IRS is as corrupt as the FBI, CIA, NSA

You couldn’t design a board game with more twist and turns, more unforeseen reactions, and more circle jerking then what these people display. It’s unbelievable to me.

I said earlier I’d likely never post a ballot on Election Day again. And, up until this fiasco, I didn’t want trump to run. But, we need him more now then we ever did. It isn’t fair to ask that of him due to what he’s been through. But, America needs this man, Not an established politician.

'“pretty convinced"...yep that there is one of them "smokin' guns".

Heck yeah, Let’s elect more of the same elite. It’s worked real well for meaningful employment in the manufacturing and medical fields. Soon enough 2/3rds of the population will be working fast food as a career. Ain’t it grand!!!

Can’t beat Trump. Then let’s dump a deadly virus on the world. All we have to do is twist his responses, convince the citizens of the USA they must vote from home so states will change voting laws. Then we will tell everyone that a feeble minded, frail, incompetent, two time lying loser actually won this election. Against the most popular president in the history of this country. That’s a fact. If election numbers aren’t fraudulent.

No worries though. When people start asking gyrations, There is enough party loving Americans to convince everyone this was just how the cards fell.

The above may not or may be what happened. But, in my mind, it’d take a huge nutjob and the biggest conspiracy theorist on the planet to dismiss it as anything but a very real possibility.

And they think Jan 6th was an "insurrection"...HA! When the s*** hits the fan it'll make Jan 6 look like a love in. Go ahead...keep poking the bear....

Open your f****ng eyes

Looks like Trump was right again.

The only thing that is close to the truth is that, to this point, nobody knows or can prove where COVID started. But, clearly, the truth won't stop some of you from proclaiming victory.

What is more telling is that since Trump has been indicted on 31 charges of violating the Espionage Act none of you have even been willing to talk about that.

“What is more telling is that since Trump has been indicted on 31 charges of violating the Espionage Act none of you have even been willing to talk about that.”

Because to talk about trump and his problems are the same as talking about China joe and his problems. You guys refuse to accept that joe is as corrupt, if not worse than, trump. And you refuse to even acknowledge it. So why should we humor you with pleasantries?

im willing...lets start with whether or not the espionage act is even a legit charge.

I don't edit this forum unless there's a very blatant violation. Very blatant. And I wouldn't do that except that some folks can't control themselves. Other times I participate. But I guess you'd be happier if I just agreed with everything you say? LOL

Glunt, Trump didn't break the rules. He broke the laws. Big difference.

Woods Walker - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. You aren't as smart as you think you are.

Ricky, I'm sure if you search long enough you'll find more like the article Emily wrote. Heck, you may even find someone that will definitely say that Trump is innocent. It's a shame you're so gullible.

Hackbow, please tell me where I've broken any forum rules. "Once he gets called out"? LOL You are unable to call me out. You see, you and several others believe you have some moral or ethical higher ground or have a better understanding of the political, medical, or legal issues and solutions. The problem is that you operate from a faulty premise. You have been so eager to accept the propaganda delivered to you over the years that you now believe it to be true. You never question anything that you aren't conditioned to believe. It's been done before in history and will happen again in the future. There is nothing you could call me out on because, as far as I'm concerned, nothing you say adds any value to the conversation.

Would it be ok to have a trial first?

Remember this well, I was going into a meeting about a large financial procurement which I deferred after reading about this, instinct told me to wait which I was grateful with the shut down coming down in several months.

It’s not even that complicated. You voted for China joe out of fear of trump. You just forgot to do your research on exactly how corrupt the Bidens are.

“There is nothing you could call me out on because, as far as I'm concerned, nothing you say adds any value to the conversation.”

Then why are you trying to spark another pissing contest in a thread that’s not even supposed to be allowed? Bow hunting related only…remember? So, hypocritical, and biased moderation is now considered the moral and ethical high ground?!

Just more liberal logic to justify the personal hatred you claim to loathe.

you mean as gullible as those that were absolutely certain that trump colluded with the russians? they had irrefutable proof...remember?

"And he is presumed guilty until the jury reaches a verdict."

huh? what legal system is that?

And the media you follow does? LMAO!!! You funny Phil!

Yet another mental disorder rears its ugly head!!! Lol!

That is actually spot on with today's media.

no he didnt...it was all fabricated...durham said so. but since the media you follow won’t tell you the truth you will never see it.

see how that works?

now...in what legal system is a person "presumed guilty until the jury reaches a verdict?" here in the usa...a persons right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental element of due process...even if the media outlets you follow dont act like that...or tell you that.

Ricky, why do you think it was fabricated? Because somebody told you?

Woods Walker- read the Mueller Report. Don’t let anyone tell you what you should think. And as far as Mueller being credible- he was well respected until Trump started spewing lies about him. And the Trump supporters reported those lies. And then it became truth to Trump followers.

Truthfully, while I completely disagree with what many of you parrot I do understand why you say what you do. You have been conditioned by years of manipulation. I know this because for almost 25 years I said the same things and believed the same things you are saying. Then I quit accepting the propaganda I was hearing and started thinking for myself. I was a Ditto-head before Rush had his National show and was only on WABC. Same with Hannity. Call me all the names you like but I was where many of you seem to be but I quit blindly accepting what was being fed to me. You should try it. It’s quite humbling to find you’ve been wrong all these years.

i did read it...it says no evidence of collusion by trump campaign... but cant say either way about obstruction.

yes...the durham report.

why do you think there was collusion...because someone told you? the mueller report didnt say that.

Mueller found contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states. He found conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia.

But he did not find enough that warranted criminal charges for conspiracy.

from the actual report...

"As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel's investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second , a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

“ The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.”

whats unbelievable is the way you resort to straw men...its not a matter of feeling good or bad about anyone...its a matter of stating the facts.

when will people like you realize that facts dont care about feelings. my personal feelings about trump are irrelevant...you let yours cloud everything you see...and feel.

not sure why you would find that wierd...the underlined portion was the conclusion considering all the the things that preceded it.

thats why its always good to show an entire statement...in context...unlike what phil magistro attempted to do.

I'd like to see the full presentation that Dr David Martin gave in Knifeman's video. If anyone can find it please post.

They act like DR. Martin was Alex Jones in some bunker somewhere, instead of in front of the Euro union in a public setting, telling the truth. But then they would have to admit they were wrong, and pretty stupid to believe this shit from the get go. Its hard for liberals to admit they were wrong, so the big shiny thing...

Nomad, I didn't do it intentionally but it just seemed time to bring up the indictment of Trump since it is the elephant in the room that his followers on this forum had ignored.

Now pay attention - I'm not blaming everything on Trump. He is who he is and hasn't changed since I first started hearing about him and following his exploits in the 1980s.

As far as Grassely, Comer, Jordan et. al., all they have shown so far his talk. It's a tactic many on the right use effectively - keep talking about something to deflect and distract and eventually the base will believe it's true. If and when any evidence comes out I will believe they actually have something.

It isn't just liberals that have a hard time admitting they are wrong. But I'm not a liberal.

i know you did...and your bias is obvious. you hate trump...we get it. i dont particularly like him either. the difference is you let your feelings override the facts...just like ksflatlander.

mueller report volume one page 1 and 2 ...

"This report is submitted to the Attorney General pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 600.8(c), which states that , "[a]t the conclusion of the Special Counsel 's work, he ... shall provide the Attorney General a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions [the SpecialCounsel] reached." The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials-hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government-began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November. In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities. That fall, two federal agencies jointly announced that the Russian government "directed recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including US political organizations," and , " [t]hese thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process." After the election, in late December 2016, the United States imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. By early 2017, several congressional committees were examining Russia's interference in the election. Within the Executive Branch, these investigatory efforts ultimately led to the May 2017 appointment of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III. The order appointing the Special Counsel authorized him to investigate "the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election ," including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign.

As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel's investigation established that Russia interfere~ in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second , a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

* * *

Below we describe the evidentiary considerations underpinning statements about the results of our investigation and the Special Counsel's charging decisions, and we then provide an overview of the two volumes of our report. The report describes actions and events that the Special Counsel's Office found to be supp01ted by the evidence collected in our investigation. In some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event. In other instances, when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts. In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of "collusion." In so doing, the Office recognized that the word "collud[ e ]" was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ ed]"-a term that appears in the appointment order-with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, "coordination" does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

really? did we miss the posts where you brought up the biden family bribery scandal? what about that elephant? can we assume you dont think its important becaue you didnt bring it up on an unrelated thread. come on man...

That’s all I could ask for. Man, what a day that would be!!!

Is that how they convinced you to believe, “presumed guilty until the jury reaches a verdict."? Did CNN put a smiley face on it to convince you as well?

This is way beyond any level of joking! Is it a joke that Biden arrests his political opponents on false charges, then orders the left wing media outlets to black out his post indictment comments? They claim it was too dangerous and full of lies, so they shielded the public from the danger! Lol!

Once again, it’s a mental disorder. You guys don’t hate trump near as much as you fear him! Fear causes people to do irrational things in an effort to de-escalate it.

You have no idea how ridiculous you sound when you claim china joe isn’t worthy of being investigated for his seemingly damning misdeeds, while calling for the real boogie man to be extracted from under your bed.

You keep claiming not to be a liberal, yet you haven’t said a single thing to convince anyone otherwise.

It’s a simple concept. Due process and equal treatment when upholding the law. Until you’re able to grasp that as a foundational necessity, you won’t be taken seriously by this crowd.

I never said Biden wasn't worthy of being investigated. I said that so far Grassley, Jordan, Comer, et.al. haven't proven he is worthy of being investigated. All they've done is run their mouth. But somehow they've convinced you he is guilty. LOL And I clearly have a grasp on due process and equal treatment, something many of you do not believe according to the posts here about how guilty Biden is for something that was only talked about.

I don't fear Trump. He's a narcissistic old fool and has been since he was narcissistic young fool.

Do you really think I give a crap about being taken seriously by this crowd? LOL I don't have to convince you or anyone about whether I'm a liberal or not. It doesn't matter to me at all what you think about that.

And another informative post from Hackbow. LOL

" evidence is now pointing to you actually believing your own bile. "

ROTFLMAO!!!

there wasnt a russian collusion scandal either...two separate independent investigations said just that...but that didnt stop you from bringing that up. why so cautious now? oh thats right...youre not looking at biden through your hate trump glasses.

Anyway, I'm bored with this discussion.

So, the 2 whistleblowers from the IRS have no credibility? I assume you think it’s ok for these whistleblowers to be retaliating against as well?

“I'm bored with this discussion.”

Translation: I kicked the hornets nest, got them buzzing, and now I can’t defend my actions, or my false claims, so I’m taking my ball and going home.

Something ain't right with the whole Covid thing.

I tryst Fauci about as much as I trusted Nixon

close but not quite accurate. seems to me i remember you saying he actually did collude with the russia...you also said mueller said so.

"He did collude with the Russians. He had his minions do it. Mueller said so.

both statements are categorically false.

"Anyway, I'm bored with this discussion."

of course you are...that seems to be a pattern.

The last thing I read about at least one of the whistleblowers was that he broke all contact with the Senate committee after their truthfulness was questioned. There is apparently an open invitation for him to return and testify.

In any event the probe into Hunter Biden’s tax return is still ongoing. It is overseen by the US Attorney for Delaware. When Joe Biden took office he did not ask the Attorney to resign, as is the usual custom, to avoid any sense of inserting himself into the probe. That’s pretty much what I know about it. When something of substance is released I’ll pay more attention.

Seriously???? This rant is scary because nothing, absolutely nothing, you said is true but I bet you believe it all.

youre right...its tough to have a reasonable conversation when people insist on spreading falsehoods.

"It seems you like this more than I do." not really...i just not a big fan of gaslighting.

Matt

I may have said a falsehood or two inadvertently but I’m much more inclined to say you say them routinely. Then you point the finger at me.

That is why we cannot have a reasonable conversation.

If you truly believe all that then there isn't much for us to talk about because you would be unwilling to accept the facts.

I don't know about yal but I think every politician, head of the ATF, FBI, Attorney General, ect should be held accountable. If we don't desire what's right, what's constitutional, we will all be in deep crap.

I have my own opinions, but nobody's always right...if I'm wrong I want to have enough character to admit it. Honestly, I'm fed up with all the crap on Capital Hill.

It seems people with high power dont seem to be held responsible. Lots of people went to prison during the Watergate scandal...did Nixon go to prison?

I want everyone to have real liberty...whether I agree with them or not...but, Marxism, Facsism, ect cannot function in harmony with the US constitution.

It seems we have a choice between Democrats(Marxist), Republicans (Facsist) ...neither choice is good. Yet, we continue to hand over our Liberties to these people..sure, there are a few that are good ones but they are the exception.

As I see it, we have a "degree" of freedom that is being chipped away little by little and has been for the past 100 plus years.

I hear a lot about the ACLU from my friends, I don't agree with the ACLU on everything but sometimes they are right. We need to wake up and realize our nation will prosper and heal when the people of our nation want things to change.

It's absolutely sickening to see how arrogant and crooked Capital Hill can be.

We are near bout in a total police state in this country.

The Left wants to tell me what I can think and what I should buy and the Right wants to protect me from myself...so they say.

Under Bush we had a lot of over reach and unconstitutional stuff forced upon us and we continue to have the same today.

I would just love to see the government get the hell out of the way and get back to a very limited government that functions to preserve the liberty of the people.

Folks, government that goes beyond the basics never works out very good at all...we have a lot of history behind us to prove that.

The real question is...Does the American people want REAL freedom? I'm not so sure they do.

For those that believe government can fix things...they haven't done a very good job of it for the last 100 plus years.

If you follow the site’s group think, the libs already did that when they fixed the 2020 presidential election.

It is weird that we have a credible whistleblower from the small number of people who were active on the Hunter Biden investigation, but not a single one that is from all the states whose election results were allegedly fixed in 2020.

So weird….

But I bet the Tr-humpers have a good explanation for this.

really? if i say them routinely, it should be very easy to give an example of something i said that was false.

ill wait...but something tells me that this is where you get bored with the conversation again.

Remmeber...once laws are in place its very hard to abolish them. We are still reaping the consequences of the Patriot Act.

Someone in my family told me..." I'm willing to give up some of my freedoms if it keeps me safe"...I told them if you're not free you will never really be safe in the sense that really matters.

Capital Hill has forgotten a long time ago that the founders DID NOT grant us our freedoms and rights...our rights were granted by God or as some may say by Natural Law. Congress don't give us a damn thing...when a government tells you what you can and can't pit into your own body and that you will be jailed for not paying a tax, or forced to school your kids the way they see fit...You're not free.

I can see restrictions in public buildings during a health crisis..but telling people what they can do in a private setting such as a church..is definitely over reach.

We just don't have sense enough as a nation to realize it.

Look at all this electric car BS that's going on..it's a joke. Electric cars won't be any better for the environment that fossil fuels..probably worse so.

But, let's follow along behind the Democrats n Republicans because they know best..they know what's best for us...right.

Remember, just because a law is technically legal doesn't make it morally right.

Jim Crowe laws were legal laws on the books...I guess we know how that worked out.

Jim Jordan investigated Hillary non stop yet could find nothing wrong. Even Durham said he could find that she did nothing wrong. Yet Trump keeps using her as a foil to deflect attention from him and it keeps the base focused on her.

The way the Republicans have gone after Hunter Biden I would expect they would have found something by now but so far it's all talk and conjecture. Maybe they will find something someday and then we can talk about that but right now, Hunter, Joe, Hillary are all being used as distractions for Trump to take the focus off him. And it appears that many are falling for his ruse.

It seems that every Republican trying to defend Trump hasn't really said he isn't in trouble, instead they've used the "what about...." method to try to justify what he's been charged with. And by the number of posts from folks here that tactic seems to be working on Trump's most loyal supporters. But that doesn't change the issues Trump is facing and his actions brought them on himself.

As for the origins of Covid, it's likely we'll never know for sure. The lab theory makes as much sense as the natural theory to me. Call me a Pollyanna, but I don't believe it was intentionally unleashed on the general public. Who would possibly benefit from killing millions of people and shutting down the global economy? I don't agree with all of the Covid mandates and closures, but they weren't just a US response to the pandemic. They were world-wide.

Matt

Its things like this that give people pause on believing anything.

Matt

James Comey sure did. The difference between her and trump is who the justice department chooses to charge.

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

"In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case."

The decision to not charge hillary and to charge trump is clearly a political one. Both were presidential candidates at the time and both clearly mishandled classified documents. either you charge them both or you let them both skate.

2. Trump isn’t being charged with simply mishandling classified documents.

They are two completely different cases.

Does that mean if I rob a bank and spend all the money before I’m caught, that I didn’t rob a bank. Nope. But, according to your logic is means I can’t be charged with robbing a bank.

That’s some solid reasoning Phil. Solid indeed.

That’s because “they” are in the pocket of China joes administration. Why would they press charges against the man that makes them all rich? Not to mention “they”, and you apparently, are scared to death that trump will throw a monkey wrench into the real collusion with China.

“2. Trump isn’t being charged with simply mishandling classified documents.”

He’s being charged with espionage! So, which country is he spying for? Which country is he selling us out for? Russia? No, they determined that to be a huge lie, but you aren’t able to accept anything that allows trump to defend himself.

You seem pretty hell bent on the fact that he is a criminal, so please enlighten us on the details and facts of his espionage activities.

And for #2 - You are wrong again. He is not being charged with espionage. He is being charged with counts of violating the Espionage Act. Once again you have fallen for the propaganda that is intended to get you and other supporters angry.

Fair enough, not that it matters. Again, please lay out the details of exactly what he has done, over and above any other president, to warrant the accusations. I suspect this is another futile attempt a throw things at the wall until one sticks. But I’m willing to hear you break it down for us since you seem to be the all knowing one.

The lie that government will make things better has been repeating for decades.

Also, the Bushes are not innocent either. You are correct that many things are hear say..even some of the things I've been told about the Clinton's possibly could be false.

I don't care whether they're Democrat or Republican.

There is a clear difference in Trump's actions. As Ricky cited above re: Clinton, Comey said "all the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."

With Trump, it is more than just a case of carelessness by his own admission. When comparing his case against that of Clinton, Pence, Biden, or any other high profile official who has had issues with classified information, Trump is the only one who refused to return all the classified documents as soon as he was asked about them; Trump is also the only official who tried to prevent investigators from discovering additional classified records he had in his possession.

Had Trump responded to the subpoena and turned everything back in as the others have, this would be a non-issue. He has admitted knowing they were classified, the indictment highlights his efforts to deliberately hide additional classified information, and he does not deny that he has refused to return the documents. This is why he is being charged and others haven't been.

Like I said people from both parties have gotten away with illegal stuff when most of us would have paid the consequences.

Remember the BS about weapons of mass destruction? Oh well, we just messed up..no big deal...even though American soldiers died we will ignore the lies n deception within the administration and the pentagon.

The Biden admistration is probably tje worse yet but they are not the only administration that has their hands dirty.

When politicians use the ATF, DOJ or any other government entity as a weaponized force to violate Americans constitutional rights ...it's wrong. I don't give a damn who it is

And the issue seems to be there is no compelling evidence that these steps were intentionally taken to conceal or hide confidential information. Again, comes back to intent and how she responded to investigators. Now, if Clinton was on tape saying “the DOJ subpoenaed me and wants to look at my phone, but there’s a bunch of stuff I shouldn’t have on it. Here’s a hammer, go destroy it” then that would be a different story. To my knowledge, that tape doesn’t exist.

2. Trump isn’t being charged with simply mishandling classified documents.

wow...and you accuse others of being naïve? They definitely had the case(s)...comey said so...he just claimed that no "reasonable" prosecutor would bring them. they simply didnt want to charge her....many have been prosecuted for less. ask those in the attached article. if you dont think comeys recommendation not to charge didnt have anything to do with his wanting to protect hillary...you are past naive and closing in on delusional.

neither you or i know whether trump is guilty of what he is being charged with. he has been accused of more things that he didnt do that i can even list. you were all in (apparently still are) on the collusion fantasy too...when we know...based on two separate investigations...there was no there there.

you try to come across a some reasonable thinker with an open mind but you are anything but. you are the classic sufferer of tds.

As usual, you aren’t looking for civil debate. This is the first response I’ve given to you. And, you turned it into that.

One thing you have never seemed to understand is I don’t twist yours or anyone else’s words. I don’t do that. My disgust with you and your ilk is plainly simple. You spend paragraphs telling everyone how they should think, where they should get their news, etc…. Then, crawfish away when the idiocy is pointed out.

Now, you took the first shot at me as you did the last Covid topic you threatened to ban me over. The PM’s hackbow spoke of is not new news to me. You going to get ruffled and ban me this time too because I refuse to agree with you?

Participation is great. As long as that’s your intent. I’m willing to discuss these things if you are willing to be honest as you do the same. But, arguing paragraphs full of content that Hillary did nothing wrong, to only state that’s not your opinion is a lie. Everyone here knows it too.

That’s what makes these dis audio a with you a like dream. 70lb hit the nail on the head. You want to dictate and control how people think. Not discuss facts.

how do you hire someone to unintentionally or unwillfully set up a separate email server in your home in order to avoid using gov email?

How do you unintentionally or unwillfully destroy cell phones and ipads with a hammer?

how do you unintentionally or unwillfully use bleachbit in order to wipe out email files on your secret server?

...some of you guys will literally say anything.

i dont have any inside information, but im willing to see how things play out...knowing how accusations against trump have turned out in the past.

you on the other hand are still saying trump is guilty of what two separate investigations have stated that he was not guilty of.

like i said, you have the classic case of tds.

how do you unintentionally or unwillfully use bleachbit in order to wipe out email files on your secret server?

You don't unintentionally do any of those things, Ricky. That's not where the question of intent comes in. Again, the key distinction is between "carelessness" and "intentional and willful mishandling" and how individuals responded when being confronted with their actions.

Take the instance of iPads/iPhones. The act of destroying one is very deliberate and intentional. However, there was no evidence to suggest these actions were taken to deliberately conceal information from investigators as opposed to ensuring that any information on the phones stayed secure.

As I clearly said, if there was evidence like a tape recording of Clinton clearly stating something to the effect of she knew she had information on their that she shouldn't, and that this evidence needs to destroyed before it falls into the hands of investigators, then I'm sure Comey would have been compelled to treat the case differently. We don't have those examples in Hillary's case. We do have them in Trump's case.

I don't have TDS. I have whatever the next level above that would be. He acts like a pathetic, narcissistic, sociopath that has no regard for anyone or anything other than himself. He will turn on anyone in a moment if he doesn't get his own way. I know he has cheated at least one business out of money and, I suspect from reading other reports, there are many, many more behind that. He is seen as an embarrassment by many, maybe most, Americans. He has plundered his way through his adult life starting and bankrupting numerous companies. I cannot find one redeeming quality about the man.

If you just want to say I have TDS that's fine. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'm actually in the same company as many other conservative Republicans that left the party because of how it turned to support him.

yes...just like we had irrefutable proof that trump colluded with the russians...remember? you dont know what the have...and neither do i.

So is there anyone other than Phil Magistro that believes that?

"So is there anyone other than Phil Magistro that believes that?"

i dont necessarily think he is a political zealot but he is for sure a lot more left leaning than he wants people to believe...and most definitely an orange man bad zealot.

I think Phil’s inner peace comes from not having to defend and make excuses for a narcissistic demagogue and helping him play the victim incessantly.

It’s the FBI’s fault or maybe CIA, DOJ, Hillary, liberal media, political prosecutors, liberal voters, election workers, appointed judges, his own cabinet. He, and his cult minions here, blame everyone but Trump for all his issues. Poor victim Trump. Excuses for everything.

Talk about gullible lol.

It doesn’t matter to me what anyone believes. I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. At one time I fit snug in the Republican Party but not any more.

Either way we all will lose politically speaking.

I may not be the smartest person on the planet but I can reflect back on history and present events and figure out that the more the government gets involved in the private sector the worse it gets. I would think most people would want real liberty and less regulations and less corruption...but I know I'm not being realistic by thinking that

You aren't alone, Phil. Now a registered Libertarian and that's also how I've voted for President the last two elections.

FYI Peter Zeihan has talked quite a bit about the political shuffling we've experienced in this country, both historically and currently. I've always appreciated his takes on things, and I think he's captured the moment pretty well. There are a number of us caught up in the shuffle that are struggling to find a home with the two major parties.

When a theif breaks into my home and steals all my valuables..it doesn't matter to me what his political beliefs are..he's a theif either way.

in my opinion, thats what a lot of liberals say to make themselves feel better. social issues and programs are often in direct opposition to fiscal conservatism.

There are a lot of spending items that are in direct opposition to fiscal conservatism and the modern Republican party seems to have embraced them.

There are more than a few social programs, including healthcare, that have been demonized irresponsibly.

i agree...but im not sure anyone here has claimed the "modern republican party" is fiscally conservative...but its a hell of a lot closer than the modern democrat party.

Once politicians realized they could secure a voter block by taking from some and giving to others, it's been an ongoing thing.

I've never seen a society tax their way to prosperity and Ive never seen a society regulate their way to prosperity.

It really boils down to a spiritual issue for America...and you can't regulate or redistribute that either.

A certain amount of government is necessary..but we have waaayyy too much as it is.

Matt

In 2003, Congress passed a budget that was $78 billion larger than requested by President George W. Bush. This was in order to fund the war in Iraq.

In 2008, Congress passed a budget that was $145 billion larger than requested by President George W. Bush. This was in order to fund the war in Afghanistan and to respond to the financial crisis.

In 2020, Congress passed a budget that was $2.2 trillion larger than requested by President Donald Trump. This was in order to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Matt

You could probably halve the US defense budget by getting rid of a dozen un-needed spending programs. Planes that cost billions to build and fly? (B-2 bomber - The total program cost averaged US$2.13 billion per aircraft. The F-22 and F-35 are ridiculously expensive as well. "A 2021 Government Accountability Office report said there is a widening gap between projected life cycle costs for the F-35 and what the services say they can afford. In 2018 the Air Force determined it could spend $4.1 million per year per F-35A, when the real operating cost is closer to $7.1 million. The Marine Corps and Navy similarly underestimated their costs, meaning all three services face multi-million dollar budget shortfalls each year that will grow with each new F-35 added to the force. "

There ARE NO MORE 'fiscal conservatives' in Congress, bottom line.

I beg to differ on that one. Trump actually wanted more $$ in the budget for fiscal year 2020.

Sometimes war is necessary but every war fought since WW2, congress didn't declare war. Well, it's a Police Action..ignore the constitution.

ATF makes up their own laws independently, FBI agents write their own warrants,ect.

Leftist want to dictate, Eight wingers want to dictate and in the end we all lose except for those in power.

I can only imagine how many problems we've had for 200 years could have been avoided simply by acknowledging the US Constitution.

Example: slavery was amended to the constitution. It was legal but the question is was it contrary to core principals in the constitution? Frederick Douglas thought it was contrary to teh Constitution...after he studied the constitution he realized something...here is a quote from Douglas: " the Cosntistutuon is a glorious liberty document when interpreted as it should be".

Politicians rationalize, twist, distort the constitution until they get what they want.

They say..."well, the Cosntistutuon doesn't say we can't do this or can't do that"

Shazam! Here we are. States even violate constitutional rights and most Americans dont realize the treasure of freedom the founders layed down on paper...not that they granted us our rights but they were acknowledging our God given or Natural Rights.

We send about $50 bln - or about .7% of the federal budget - to foreign countries in the form of foreign aid.

to an extent this is true but in every congressional race there is one candidate that is more fiscally conservative than the other...and 99 times out of 100 that will be the republican candidate. anyone who claims to be a fiscal conservative and votes for a democrat is either lying to themselves or lying to everyone else. in some cases there will be a libertarian candidate that is more fiscally conservative than the republican candidate but in 99.999% of the cases a vote for the libertarian candidate...over the republican candidate...is a vote for the democrat...bottom line.

I use to think an independent vote was a wasted vote..until I realized that I was wasting my vote, voting for a party and getting the same negative results over n over...a choice between Marxism n Facsism isn't much of a choice at all.

PS How many in Congress - either side - argue for more oversight of the banking/financial industry? Count 'em on one hand and fingers left over.

Well, with the trajectory of both parties, that's probably about what I get no matter who wins...a candidate that agrees with me about 50% of the time. So maybe I never win, but I feel the same no matter who ends up in power.

I do agree with your balance of power comment though...in fact, balance and gridlock are probably what I want to see more these days than anything else.

I want a broken immigration system fixed. I want our employees in government to do their job. It’s a simple concept. And, their party means nothing to me.

Relinquishing some for the common good makes sense .

That level was quite a while ago.

Fauci is more politics than he is science. That’s evident by the way he changes his scientific views to meet the latest political needs.

“If and when there is some proof where the virus originated I will accept that, whether it’s China or any other group/country. But I’ll look for a preponderance of evidence from the scientific community not from political operatives or conspiracy theories.”

So, what are your suspicions? Is it possible that it came from China, or, do you deny the obvious in defiance of Trump for “narcissistically” declaring that it came from China?

It amazes me that you portray yourself as an informed and objective person when it comes to all things involving trumps legal issues. Yet, when the things you refuse to acknowledge, that are not in your political favor, are staring you in the face, you claim to wait for the “preponderance of evidence from the scientific community.”

Do you believe that Big Macs come from McDonalds or will you wait for the scientific community to determine that as well?

I won’t formally accuse you of it, but the term “willful ignorance” ring’s loud and clear in my head every time I read your posts.

Having suspicions seems to be how a lot of you guys enjoy life. I don’t have a clue where the virus came from. Maybe a lab, maybe nature. It was said it came from China and that may well be. To be frank I really don’t care.

Avoiding it ever happening again should be one of the biggest priorities. Knowing where it came from is important to me and the foundation of avoiding and preparing for future.

One of the things government should be focused on. With all the time, money, energy and freedom spent on Covid, it's origin doesn't seem to be a big deal for DC.

When I’m hunting elk, if I’m suspicious that they may be in a certain area, but I have no prior knowledge of where they actually are, I’ll follow that suspicion. Turns out to be right most of the time, but I’m familiar with the way they navigate. Kind of like being suspicious of government, simply because of how they navigate. But I’m strange like that when it comes to hunting. I’m probably the only one here that does that!

“To be frank I really don’t care.”

Yet here you are on a thread specifically titled for it, and arguing about trumps crime spree!??

that says a lot.

Unfortunately, we just can't send an investigative team into Wuhan province of red effing China. The relationship between us and them sucks as it is. And between trade, covid, Taiwan and their crappy economy and crappy government I don't see things getting any better. No matter who is running things here, they have too many ways to upset the apple cart whenever they see fit. (And that's without possibly letting deadly diseases out of some lab.)

Ricky, I bet before Trump said the name Fauci you never heard of him.

Now I’m sure you can Google something up and make it seem like you and Fauci went to school together but the reality is nobody outside of healthcare thought anything about him until Trump tapped him and then threw him under the bus.

It's true, there's been a lot of misinformation concerning Covid and the spread of the virus. I simply don't trust the man and I don't go along with shutting down the private sector.

Remember how some states were telling people they couldn't meet at churches and in some cases in their own homes..all the while the "peaceful protestors" were gathered in thousands and that was OK. The whole thing was pathetic. I don't blame anyone for taking the vaccine and I don't blame anyone for choosing not to.

As I've mentioned before we always lose liberties under the banner of National Security, Safety, the environment and whatever the government declares is for "our own good ".

i had...but not much...which is the way it probably should be for a person in his position. i wish that was still the case.

in my opinion his role in handling the covid situation was horrible. mixed messaging on masks and shutdowns...overpromising on vaccines...supporting mask and vaccine mandates...allowing politics to play a role in decisions...and his inability to avoid a friendly camera created a lot of distrust in the actual science...as well as the medical community.

Yeah, and I remember how a 'certain politician' was holding ego-boost rallies and blowing off all precautions.

"overpromising on vaccines..." Yeah, and who was pushing him for that?"

Funny thing, memory. More selective than a c&r trout in August.

Trump said a lot of things..Fauci is responsible for Fauci

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-elections-trump-at-year-one-george-papadopoulos-495269c1760c4268b6fa3162dffd1eb3

Biden himself is almost meaningless. He's a figurehead and the policies and decisions are made behind the scenes. It's a great set-up for the real decision makers. All the power, a lot of anonymity, and no accountability. As gone as Biden is, it's hard for people to give up the idea that a President is a capable leader making the calls.

If they have to put in an independent thinking candidate, it will need to be a loyal believer or someone they have leverage over.

the same gut that took credit for the country wide rollout...biden

the same guy that said if you get the vaccine...you cant get infected...biden.

the same guy that forced a mandate when acceptance was lagging...biden

all of which fauci agreed with and enthusiastically supported.

unfortunately by that time biden and fauci had given so many mixed and inaccurate messages...trust was lost.

trump took credit for the development of the vaccine...but it wasnt even put in the first arm until after he lost the election.

yep...memories sure are selective.

It doesn't take much negotiating to get Republicans to make poor financial decisions with our money. Real fiscal responsibility left town a very long time ago.

Wait, what, Trump LOST the election? Have we finally come to grips with THAT? ---- ROTFLMAO!!!

you might want to take some tips from those c&r trout cuz your memory isnt very good...i dont remember ever saying trump didnt lose the election.

now...back to the fauci situation...do you still think trump pushed him to say and do all those things...after he was out of office? wow...i guess trump can add jedi mind control to his many evil talents.

did trump push fauci into supporting the vaccine mandate?

did trump push fauci into saying that if you were vaccinated you wont get infected? did trump push fauci into saying masks were ineffective...then effective...then only marginally effective? did trump push fauci into moving the goal posts on herd immunity?

did trump push fauci into saying that vaccine immunity was better than natural immunity?

did trump push fauci into attempting to silence other scientists if they disagreed with him on the right way to handle the pandemic?

did trump...who thought covid was a lab leak... push fauci into dismissing the lab leak theory.

did trump push fauci into recommending extended lockdowns and school closures?

...that trump must be one powerful dude.

If Biden owns gas prices and inflation then Trumps owns every bit of the pandemic decisions. You can’t have it both ways.

If Fauci had anything to do with gain of function research and or funding he is a POS.

Nobody except the real experts who were shouted down knew the difference between a facial mask/cloth covering and KN95, N95 respirator. One was an ineffective PR tool (a weave for display) the other was an effective filtering lattice that got better the more filtered material added to it and was electrostatically charged. Facial fit is critical, always has been.

Presidential records issues have been around for a long, long, time. Nixons final unredacted docs didn't get to be publicly available until 2013. If time serves me right he had been out of office for more than a few decades.

I still know the difference between a buck and a doe (although I have a set of doe antlers, and a few hen beards), so this bowsite participant is far, far from woke.

If Biden owns gas prices and inflation then Trumps owns every bit of the pandemic decisions. You can’t have it both ways."

and ive never seen a man so consumed by hatred of another man that he will trip over himself trying to discredit him in any way he possibly can.

so if youre saying that trump is responsible for everything that fauci said...or as danac says...pushing him to say certain things...what does that say about the man who we are supposed to be believe...and claims to be...all about the science?

if trump pushed him into saying what trump wanted him to say...and then biden pushed him into saying what biden wanted him to say...that only proves that he was more about the politics than the science...which is exactly what many people believe.

thank you...

“So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.” Donald J Trump, President of the United States.

Good thing we didn’t take Trumps bright ideas. But that Fauci guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. ROTFLMAO

You’re welcome.

was it all about the science...or was he a political whore? "You can’t have it both ways."

youre not "ROTFLMAO"...youre flopping on the bank again...grasping for air.

independent scientist...presidential mouthpiece...independent scientist...presidential mouthpiece...independent scientist...presidential mouthpiece...orange man bad...senile man good...orange man bad...senile man good....

keep flopping...

i agree with you...but im not so sure trump was much on board for lockdowns much after the "two weeks to flatten the curve" and then a few more weeks after that...certainly not total lockdowns of schools and businesses for a year plus. he knew it would be economic suicide.

He’s was the president at the time so he owns it. You’re logic not mine.

Reminds me of when Moses led Israel of of Egypt after being in slavery for 400 years. A large % of them wanted to go back to Egypt because they had their basic necessities provided even though they were enslaved...some people are simply afraid of real freedom.

I see it with both sides, the Left n the Right.

nothing went over anyones head...its just a matter of refusing to take part another one of your straw man arguments.

the question isnt about who was president at the time...the question was whether or not fauci is driven by science or politics. who the president is shouldnt matter one bit to a person in faucis position. they should follow the science...advise based on the science...and let the president handle the political side of it. if the science changes when the president changes...thats suggests he is a political whore.

when it comes to their health...most americans just want to be told the truth...and they want to be confident theyre getting it so they can make their own decisions based on that. fauci lost that trust trust early on...because of his own inconsistent actions and statements.

the orange boogieman doesnt live in my head like he does yours so i dont feel the need to take part in your delusion.

Matt

To this day it's still a concern within the medical community, however. My sister in-law was diagnosed with bone cancer about 4 months ago. She's scheduled for a bone marrow transplant next week. Before that procedure she has to undergo 2 different Covid tests. That tells me it hasn't just "disappeared" as you claim.

Matt

And good luck on her transplant. I hope all goes well and she has a speedy recovery.

Matt

Nomad, what are your medical and scientific qualifications to make such a definitive statement? Or, are you just spewing an opinion based on a narrative that you want to believe?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Covid vaccine advocate. I was never jabbed for my own reasons, and I never contracted the virus. But, I do think the vaccines help control the severity of Covid to some degree. To what degree, I doubt we will ever know. Again, just my "ignorant" opinion.

Matt

nothing but harm? last i read the vaccine is credited with saving about 3 millions lives and preventing about 18 million hospitalizations...in the united states alone.