If the carrier never scanned the package, then it’s impossible to hold them accountable.
I bought a spotting scope several months ago. The fellow did all that. It was picked up and scanned. Three days later tracking showed all that deleted from the report.
The seller and I communicated multiple times. I believed him. I got my local post office involved. It took two trips and meeting the post master. Magically, after three and a half weeks it appeared in the local post office the original carrier worked out of.
I’ve had things bought that never reappeared. From bows to fishing lures.
A reputation for losing furs? Evidence? Names?
If you are taking them to court, posting to a public forum could be used against you.
It would be tough to lose furs from the alleged theft and get sued by them as well.
def·a·ma·tion /?def??m?SH(?)n/ noun
The action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.
"he sued her for defamation"
Good luck in resolving the issue.
That's like calling the pickup your selling, "a nice ford".
pelt quality is very subjective.
The person who harvests the animal often thinks its worth more than the market does.
I have a winter pelt from a Canadian wolverine trapped in the dead of winter Skinned perfectly and tanned perfectly ( as judged by 100 trappers and skinners)
What is a price you as a trapper would you expect to get paid for that skin
I see $250 - $300 all the time from suppliers of furs, but that can’t be right. Not with the fuss presented on this topic
Lawsuits look great on paper but in actuality they should be reserved for the big stuff
Just contact TGS iwner, or better yet get in the truck and go visit with him man to man and work this out. And no I don’t care his far away he is. Fly if necessary
Don’t let it get to you. You knew what he was taking about and that is the definition of communication
50% of bs readers won’t see what I did there.
Or is it their?
I sent 2 super blanket beaver for flat skins and got back a kitten that was case skinned with the tail and a large with a huge cut???Anyone have suggestions what to do besides call and bitch? michael69 Active Member
I sent them a coyote 2 years ago, never got it back, so I called, and they said they never got it, even though I had delivery confirmation that it was signed for....they never made good, and stopped responding to emails and calls...consider yourself lucky you got something back. There was another post about Moyle a while back...I just don't know how a tannery can lose that many skins? They seem to do it with great frequency and still remain in business.... finfeathr Member
Well if they dont find my skins every everyone in the world is going to know about it!! michael69 Active Member
I agree.....I have my confirmation and I'm thinking they gave me someone else's box michael69 Active Member
Talked to 3 different people there today and they all said they had to research it and call me back.....doesn't look good, nobody called back yet michael69 Active Member
It will do you no good to let the world know, because that's what I have been doing for years and yet you still sent your crap there. Cole Amateur Taxidermist
I take it you had a bad experience..... michael69 Active Member
I used to use them and had a load of coyotes, and beaver that i sent them. I was calling them when the turn around was due and i got the run around also. After two more months past there "supposedly finished date" I call again and they switch me from person to person and then tell me "you will have to speak to a manager". She comes on the phone and says "they never received the package". This was after they had giving me a mailed invoice of what i sent them and i had paid for it. I go over this with the lady and she says "oh wait I've found it. I see where the problem is. The client's package that came in right before yours had 3000 beavers in it and since you had a beaver in your shipment its now been held up because we had to do those beavers before we could run yours through." I said "Wow that's crazy 3000 beavers!" She responds "yes isn't that crazy!" I said "mam i couldn't care less if they sent you 300,000 beavers. You gave me a date and never once called to let me know what's going on and then after i paid you, you try telling me that you didn't even receive my package. What do you have to say about that?" She hung up and close to 10 months later i received my animals with numerous calls in between with no communication what so ever. I'm with Cole. They suck! Sent from my DROID RAZR using Ohub Campfire mobile app MITCHELL4 Member
You should try doing a search on here for Moyle, I'm not the only one that had a bad experience. Cole Amateur Taxidermist
They manager called me back today and basically called me a liar so I boxed them up and sent them back today.....somebody is going to want there lifesize beaver with the tail, hopefully it gets to the rightful owner. As for my skins they mismarked them and gave them to some lucky guy.....I WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH MOYLE MINK AGAIN michael69 Active Member
I wouldn't trust Moyles with a squirrel skin after my experience there. Also be sure to google the bobcat fiasco theyhad with federal authorities with CITES animals uta few years back. Yes, there tanning is good, but I got back a different bobcat. I had a big beautiful and distinct cat and got a cat the size of a tube sock returned. Because the animal was CITES I had to put pressure on them through a fish and gameagent to finally get mine, the one they "misplaced” Npm352 Well Known Rokslider
Mia at the tannery was very nice to deal with and said they would pay for a replacement skin and to send them a copy of the invoice when I found one. The did repay me for this very quickly. They then refuse to refund the tanning money they charged me for the lost skin. The replacement skin I found was tanned and they feel tanning is tanning and they should get credit for that. They had offered credit for the tanning but like i told them they were only 50% on returning my items not good enough.
My argument to them was I spent this time looking for a new skin, paid shipping up on the skin they lost, I now have to whiten this skin that I bought. Their tanning because of the whitening is more expensive than my usual tannery. Too top it all off I have had the least desireable conversations with a good client and had to explain why I told him his Goat was on the way back from the tannery then it was still at the tannery then it was just flat lost. No part of this makes anyone look good.
I am just venting here a bit. I do not think Moyle should keep money for a job they did not do. They caused me a lot of grief and time and left me feeling like the line from Animal House ( Hey you F d up you trusted us ).
Their brochure is in the trash along with their business reputation and credibility to me. Kevin Libby sheephunter Member
Drag Kev. MMs bleaching pre-tan is NICE, but not when you dont get your skin back.. Wildlife furs in CALI isnt any better- IF you get your stuff back, and IF it isnt acid rotted or torn to sheit, then the stuff shrinks so bad that NO carding will hold it. Even after drowning in T oil.. RDA Well-Known Member
I turned a couple of clients loose on the tanneries. One had taken the tannery to court and received a huge settlement. Another is in the process John C Well-Known Member
I shot a huge 350lb black bear and sent it off to be tanned. I had taken numerous photos of me with the bear, even layed out flat after it was skinned. bear had a white V on his chest plain as day. one I got back from tannery had no white V or any white on it, and hair had slipped so bad I was barely able to get a shoulder mount. and it was about 150 lb bear they srnt me back. they did nothing, said it was my bear. saddlehorse_98 Member
You know..... I hear this all the time . This is Moyles SOP ! They do a good job on fur with a garment tan and they are good at buffalo. But you will find most of us that can drive our skins to their door don't use them. Just saying!!!! I would demand full compensation and the skin back asap , then send it to a reputable tannery you have dealt with before. Luck! idbatman Active Member
Jim, I like the tannery roulette made me chuckle a bit, I have been very fortunate with my usual tannery and truly wish I had used them in this case. Quite honestly I am over the tanning money and am moving on to doing whatever it takes to make this bearable in my clients eyes. Ryan made it very clear he was NOT going to refund the tanning, This was through Mia. Everyone makes mistakes and have things happen, This is a different industry and lots of strange things accrue. It is how you handle these events that set you apart, If you put someone in a bad situation will you do as little as possible to help or do you do whatever it takes to make your mistake right to the best of your abilities. I don't want to ,need to deal with the little as possible types. We put a huge amount of trust in the tannery we choose, They can make or break you very quickly. I have NO trust or confidence in this tannery or its owner. sheephunter Member
Moyles Mink & Tannery johngfoster · Registered Joined Oct 20, 2007 · Discussion Starter · #1 · Jun 12, 2008 Any word on what's going on with this company? I've tried to access their website, considering sending a hide in to be tanned, but can't seem to even get onto their homepage. I've read on various other forums that some people have gotten screwed lately by them, taking extended periods to process their hides, sending the wrong hides back, having the hides come back like rubber. Anyone know anything about this?
June 19, 2008 sage · Registered S Joined Nov 10, 2007 Check out Furs for Fun. Hector used to work for Moyle, then went out on his own. I've had some problems with Moyles, not happy with them won't send anything back to them. Just my 2cents johngfoster · Registered Joined Oct 20, 2007 Thanks for the link for "Furs for Fun". What was your bad experience with Moyles? What's the difference between a garment tan and a taxidermy tan? I'm wanting to hang the fur on the wall
sage · Registered S Joined Nov 10, 2007 · 20 Posts Sent in a wild cross fox that was black and white tipped tail. Looked like a silver. Sent it registered with return conformation. They stole it, lied about it etc. The price for one thing go with the cheaper price. Also if wanting just to hang on the wall and you want cased type tell them not to split the belly or legs. Sometimes they will. Furs or Fun are fairly used to trapper furs. The only thing with Hector is they don't answer, emails, phone calls etc. Just when you think all is lost you'll get a bill in the mail. It was just bad enough experience that I won't go back. Good luck.
Moyle Mink ?Submitted by Brad on 10/16/05 at 11:18 AM. ( ) 220.127.116.11 Just wondering what you think of moyle mink ?Specifically on Bison capes . Brad
Not much This response submitted by --- on 10/16/05 at 12:03 PM. ( ) 18.104.22.168I went through hell with them earlier this year trying to get some skins back. Was lied to on several occasions. I asked them to send the skins back right away. They didn't. A week later they told me they were already in the tanks. Two weeks after that I called and talked to another person who told me they had not been started and they didn't know when they would. I tried for weeks to speak to the owner or have him call me back-he never would. I know several other businesses that had similar problems. Check the archives. There were also several posts on here about similar issues. I eventually got the skins back and they looked great-till I soaked them. In almost 40 years in the business, these were the worst I've ever worked with. Very rubbery. The ear cartilages are really hard to remove and to stiff and distorted to use bondo method. I had to put a ring of pins around each eye, about 1/8" apart, just to keep them open till they dried. I haven't done any buffalo with them, but if I do this another 40 years, they will never get another skin. Taking way longer than promised is not a big deal to me-been there a lot with tanneries. The lying quite frankly scared the hell out of me and the poor tan cost me about $100 labor per mount and in the end, really affected the quality of my work. Good luck.
never again This response submitted by chuck on 10/16/05 at 12:48 PM. ( ) 22.214.171.124I just got back 4 hides from Moyles. It took ten months. They state only their invoice, 90-100 days. The worst part is that they repeatedly misled me whenever I called to inquire. They were "just about done" several times. They will never get my business again. Chuck
Horror Stories This response submitted by Old Fart on 10/16/05 at 12:52 PM. ( ) 126.96.36.199 I've never used them, but I have heard enough from others that I know this......They will NEVER see any of my skins!
Worst in the Buisiness! This response submitted by Shane on 10/16/05 at 3:40 PM. ( ) 188.8.131.52 10 months with 5000.00 worth of capes and hides and still they lie etc. Used them before and everything was great. Greed! Never again. I hope they wrot in HELL!
Moyle Beavers This response submitted by Nain on 10/16/05 at 6:13 PM. ( ) 184.108.40.206 A trapping buddy of mine used to send his Alaska beavers to them until last year that he started finding that the PRIME XXL Alaska beavers were shrinking to L to XL Lower 48 not so prime beavers. He started to mark his hides with small stamp holes ( Just a few ) and what do you know, he caught them red handed. They denied the whole thing but were pretty damn shocked when confronted. They are full on crooks and LIERS, DO NOTUSE THEM!
Same problem here This response submitted by Rich P. on 10/16/05 at 10:47 PM. ( ) 220.127.116.11 I sent some skins to them last March. Five of them were Garment tanned and I got those back in early September which were super late. I'm still waiting on a raccoon that was for taxidermy. Every time I call they say there still working on it. So much for 90-100 days. Never had a problem with them before this. Guess I'll have to find somebody else. I liked using them for wall hangers because of their low price. Can't believe people run a business like that.
When the trooper walks back with the ticket and his docs, he glances in the backseat of the Coupe de Ville and notices a big mason jar full of something he cant easily identify. He asks the Moyle, "whatcha got in that there jar?" Rabbi Lipshitz explains that he is a Moyle, a rabbi who performs ritual circumcisions and those are the foreskins from all of todays "jobs". The trooper asks, "What the hell are you going to do with those things?!" The Moyle answers.....
When I get home, I am going to plant them in my garden and one day, they are going to grow up to be big pricks, just like YOU!!!!
The operation was a success and the child grew up just fine…..He was just a little cockeyed.