Griz Prep video
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Corax_latrans 05-Sep-22
Corax_latrans 06-Sep-22
redquebec 07-Sep-22
LBshooter 07-Sep-22
Murph 08-Sep-22
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Rocky D 09-Sep-22
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I didn’t check the “debate free” box, but I probably should’ve.

Thought this was relatively well done. Interview with a guy who survived multiple maulings; handgun training tips with a “Firearms Expert” (if any specific credentials were offered, I missed them) and bear spray training from some Parks people whose job description appears to include training their co-workers in how to react to (and survive) Bad Bear situations.

It sounds like the guy who suffered multiple encounters with the bear must’ve had the bad luck to be retreating in the same direction as the bear, so their paths kept crossing and she felt the need to attack each time, not breaking off until she was convinced that he was Most Sincerely Dead. Ironic that he was carrying Spray AND a sidearm and what saved him was just plain being tough enough to keep himself together enough to keep on playing dead until she bought the act.

Seems to me that what the guy (Clay) who made the video learned was that (despite what he thought he knew coming in) he just didn’t have the hand-gunning skills to get multiple quick, aimed shots off with anything heavier than a 9mm and that his chances are better with additional training with Spray.

And what I gathered from the interview with the mauling survivor (and which fits with evidence from other maulings) is that Spray may stop an attack but it won’t necessarily prevent a follow-up. I had always assumed that a Sprayed Bear is a ‘Fraid Bear, but it seems that they recover from it quickly enough that it’s not one & done by any stretch. Knowing that could save you a real beat-down.

So if you were ever to find yourself in a high-risk/post-confrontation situation, it seems like keeping your Spray in one hand, your sidearm in the other (if you have one) and your head on a swivel would be the best option until you’re sure that you’re absolutely in the clear.

Very informative video. We all probably overestimate our level of preparedness.

He learned before he had to use his weapons that his skill is at .01 on a scale of 100. Which is a good thing.

What I take away is always have a lanyard on your handgun. It’s to easily stripped from your rig or hand in a mauling.

100%, Jay! I always wondered why the hell…? And now there’s a solid Object Lesson.

From: redquebec
"We all probably overestimate our level of preparedness."

Great line.

I think that line could be applied to marriage, child rearing, starting a business, investing, self defense and legal confrontations, out-smarting trophy class game and yes, dealing with dangerous game.

Reality has a way of cutting through all our illusions.

From: LBshooter
Well let's get things straightened out first, never pick a tarus handgun over a quality pistol and 9 mm for big bears? Not my first choice. The video does show how unprepared most will be in a panick situation. But the video does show that practice is everything with both spray and pistol. I personally would be a bit scared walking in griz country by my lonesome, I think my pistol would. Be out the whole time lol.

From: Murph
Spray is certainly proven to work, but many factors apply to the effectiveness of that as well having shot several thousand rnds through multiple handguns I would rather die with an empty pistol in my hand then an empty can of bear spray If shit hits the fan just my opinion…

I’m kinda selling myself on learning to draw both at once.

Hit the spray with the weak hand in a Support position for the dominant hand with the sidearm coming up. If spray doesn’t turn it, drop the can and start shooting.

Definitely an option requiring several thousand reps so it’ll happen on autopilot should the need arise.

Worst thing about spray (JMO) is that the bear has to inhale a lungful of it before the message sinks in, and if you wait to see if the spray has achieved the desired effect, you're liable to be out of time for more than 1 or 2 shots.

So teaching yourself how to get a cloud out there in front of the Lead kinda makes sense. I would expect that a bear which can no longer see nor smell its intended victim would be feeling a lot less confident once the handgun started “biting”‘ it from an unexpected quarter. Seems that they might know when the odds have flipped. Gotta know when to fold ‘em.

And to Jay’s point: while you might feel better carrying, the difference between Thinking you’re ready and KNOWING that you’re ready is an enormous gap.

From: Rocky D
Old CQB quote to remember is “ smooth is fast and fast is smooth”.

Another is “the enemy always gets a vote”!

From: fdp

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