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Contributors to this thread:
ryanrc 02-Oct-22
Matt 02-Oct-22
cnelk 02-Oct-22
Ermine 02-Oct-22
JTreeman 02-Oct-22
ryanrc 02-Oct-22
Matt 02-Oct-22
Overland 02-Oct-22
Straight Shooter 02-Oct-22
ryanrc 02-Oct-22
Scoot 02-Oct-22
bowhunt 02-Oct-22
[email protected] 02-Oct-22
ryanrc 02-Oct-22
earlyriser 02-Oct-22
SBH 02-Oct-22
peterk1234 02-Oct-22
Whocares 02-Oct-22
Whocares 02-Oct-22
Whocares 02-Oct-22
Scott/IL 02-Oct-22
Scoot 02-Oct-22
ryanrc 02-Oct-22
kota-man 02-Oct-22
Rocky D 03-Oct-22
Scott/IL 03-Oct-22
Brotsky 03-Oct-22
Scoot 03-Oct-22
kota-man 03-Oct-22
Jordan 03-Oct-22
DEMO-Bowhunter 04-Oct-22
From: ryanrc
02-Oct-22
I got cold this year hunting and don't want that again. With that said I want a quality zero degree bag. I have been looking at: Stone glacier chilkoot 0* First lite Nemo stalker 0* Kuiu super down 0*

I crawled into the stone glacier at scheels and it has plenty of room to toss and turn(I am a restless sleeper) and to side sleep. I am leaning towards it. The kuiu looks lime the foot box might be too tight for me. The firstlite has 800 down vs the others have 850....but those vents in the bag have me thinking hard about it from a versatility point on warming nights. Does anyone have any input on these 3 bags or any other recommendations? I want a bag that if it gets slightly wet it will still keep me warm. Thanks

From: Matt
02-Oct-22
Add Western Mountaineering to the mix, and they have a semi-rectangular bags which are great for side sleepers.

From: cnelk
02-Oct-22
It’s not so much about having 0 degree bag as it is to have a ‘sleep system’

I have a Big Agnes 0 degree bag and have absolutely froze my ass off in it with a BA insulated core air mattress.

The key is to have a thermal break between you and the air mattress or it will suck your body heat.

So I use a cheap foam pad between now. All better.

From: Ermine
02-Oct-22
Western mountaineering. Best in the business keep you warm to well below their Rating

From: JTreeman
02-Oct-22
Of those 3 I would probably lean toward the SG. I own a Kuiu, and it’s fine. But to me none of them compare to my Western Mountaineering bags. Bar none the best out there in my opinion. But prepare yourself for the price, buy once cry once ;)

—Jim

From: ryanrc
02-Oct-22
The western mountaineering bags down aren't treated with the water repellent that I can find. Is there an issue with those in damp conditions?

From: Matt
02-Oct-22
The WM microfiber covers are pretty darned water-repellent (their least water-repellant material), never had an issue with my WM in damp conditions. When I first bought mine I poured a cup of water on it and after 5 minutes there was no detectable penetration. Never been to SE AK either.

From: Overland
02-Oct-22
Western Mountaineering if your budget allows.

02-Oct-22
Another vote for WM. I have the Versalite and used in AK and all of my western hunts.

From: ryanrc
02-Oct-22

ryanrc's Link
Thoughts on this one?

From: Scoot
02-Oct-22
Rock solid bag! Ryan how tall are you and how much do you weigh?

From: bowhunt
02-Oct-22
What temps are you usually using it in?

Are you backpacking where weight is an issue?

Not trying to sidetrack you from your choices, but depending on conditions they may be way overkill.

Answers to these couple questions might help steer you in the right direction.

I agree with Cnelk, the bag isn’t the only variable to being comfortable.

02-Oct-22
I don't backpack as much as I used to but I always had a 0 deg bag. Usually temps are in the 30s-40s for a low during season. Too much bag for warmer nights but way easier to uncover than to try and find warmth when underbagged. I don't always store my bags correctly so they lose some rating anyway.

From: ryanrc
02-Oct-22
6' 1.5" 195 lbs.

I want a cold weather bag for backpack hunts. I froze in a tent this year elk hunting and ended up hunting out of my suv more because I didn't want to be cold. Didn't ruin my hunt or anything but limited some options for overnight bivys. I hate being cold when I am trying to sleep. The vents on the nemo first lite made me think that it would cover me warmer and colder which is why I inquired about that one. But in the end, I can leave it unzipped if necessary. A few hundred dollars doesn't matter to me if it is a bomb proof bag that's packable. My hang up is I hate mummy bags. I can't sleep in them very well. Thanks

From: earlyriser
02-Oct-22
If you are happy with how your bag fits you now, have you tried those thermolite reactor bag liners? They’ve worked well for me.

From: SBH
02-Oct-22
Love my WM. Never been cold in it and i get cold at night. I use an insulated air pad also. I can’t recall which one I have, it is definitely a little tight. I’m same height and weight as you. Wish I had a little more room. The storm glacier bag looks pretty comfy. Curious if anyone has it since no on here has mentioned it yet.

From: peterk1234
02-Oct-22
WM or feathered friends. By far your two best choices. I have a 15 degree FF. I just came back from an overnighter. Not overly cold, around 38 degrees. I was unzipped about halfway. I also use a silk liner, which takes the edge of the air when unzipped. That 15 degree bag is pretty light too.

From: Whocares
02-Oct-22
I have a Marmot Helium 15 degree with 850 down. So light and compact hard to believe it works. I use a thermarest foam pad, much warmer than air. And I have a single size light fleece type blanket I put on top of me inside the bag when needed. Warm as can be. If gets really cold I wear long underwear. And this is for backpacking in. Oh, and a shot of peppermint schnapps before crawling in is necessary.

From: Whocares
02-Oct-22
I have a Marmot Helium 15 degree with 850 down. So light and compact hard to believe it works. I use a thermarest foam pad, much warmer than air. And I have a single size light fleece type blanket I put on top of me inside the bag when needed. Warm as can be. If gets really cold I wear long underwear. And this is for backpacking in. Oh, and a shot of peppermint schnapps before crawling in is necessary.

From: Whocares
02-Oct-22
oops. Double post cuz I'm home now an drinking wine. Sorry.

From: Scott/IL
02-Oct-22
Out of curiosity, what R value pad are you using? I used a cheapie for a couple years before it finally popped on me and froze my rear end off during those trips. Upgraded to an Xtherm using the same sleeping bags and it’s been a game changer.

From: Scoot
02-Oct-22
Yup both pad and bag are key. I have a WM Badger with a good pad (q core). I'm good to at least 10 degrees. It's a roomy mummy bag and I love it. I'm 6'0" and 185, so similar build to you. It's a very roomy mummy bag and I love it. If you truly want a 0 degree bag it may not quite be enough (it's rated for 15). I bought it after a similar experience to you- froze my butt off and wasn't going to let that happen again.

From: ryanrc
02-Oct-22
Klymit air pad. I forget the type but it isn't insulated.

From: kota-man
02-Oct-22
I can’t add much here…I’ve used Kifaru, BA, KUIU, and others. I’ve gotten rid of all my “other” bags and now own 3 Western Mountaineering bags. 0 degree, 15 degree and 30…. I have not found better…

From: Rocky D
03-Oct-22
Kota has spoken!

This is a pretty good link on sleeping pads.

Based on the provided information it appears that your sleeping pad maybe suspect!

P.S. don’t resist the input above! These guys have tremendous experience and knowledge.

Don’t drink to much liquid before bed, alcohol doesn’t help, eat a snack, and wear some type of head cover!

From: Scott/IL
03-Oct-22
Kota, how have you found your WM bags to hold up in moisture/wet climates.

I’ve came back to my tent wet and cold plenty of times and it has led me to grabbing a synthetic bag over down on most of my trips lately. But I’ve been giving some of the WM a look here recently after carrying around the heavy synthetic bag all of this past elk season.

From: Brotsky
03-Oct-22
Get a better pad as well Ryan. I went with an exped downmat a few years ago and that made a world of difference in my sleeping warmth. A little heavier than I'd like but its rock solid.

From: Scoot
03-Oct-22
I had a Big Agnes Insulated Aircore- it was ok, but I got cold with it. I switched to an XTherm- MUCH warmer, but thin and not so comfortable. I got a Big Agnes Q-Core SLX and I LOVE it. Not quite the R value of the XTherm, but a huge improvement from my BAIC and it's super comfortable. I still have the XTherm, but it plays backup unless it's really cold. The Big Agnes Q-Core SLX is pretty awesome IMO. That pad plus the WM bag of your choice would be pretty bullet proof.

From: kota-man
03-Oct-22
A couple things…I used to be worried about moisture with WM bags and will say they require a little extra care but I have not had a problem. Like Matt said above, the micro fiber does a pretty good job. I recently did a Dall sheep hunt in SE AK and it was pretty wet out but my bag never was.

Agree with others on the pad. The Xtherm is excellent but not very thick. I tend to gravitate towards my XTherm for combination of warmth and weight. The BA Q Core SLX is nice as well. Not quite as warm, but more comfortable. I love Rocky’s advice: Don’t drink before bed and wear a head covering. I wear a wool skull cap to bed on the mountain.

From: Jordan
03-Oct-22
I also have the Marmot Helium......usually have it zipped open as I get too warm. Waving just a light flat sheet or something for your noggin can make all the difference with any bag. WM rocks for sure but $$$$

04-Oct-22
I also have a Marmot Helium that I've used on most of my hunts and it has held up very well. I also have a Kifaru 20* and a WM 0* bag. All of them have been great for me!

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