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spike78 14-Oct-22
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KSflatlander 14-Oct-22
Joey Ward 14-Oct-22
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azelkhntr 15-Oct-22
tobywon 15-Oct-22
Mike B 15-Oct-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 15-Oct-22
Joey Ward 15-Oct-22
Grey Ghost 15-Oct-22
KSflatlander 15-Oct-22
70lbDraw 15-Oct-22
Inshart 15-Oct-22
azelkhntr 15-Oct-22
fuzzy 15-Oct-22
Grey Ghost 15-Oct-22
[email protected] 15-Oct-22
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spike78 15-Oct-22
Grey Ghost 15-Oct-22
Mpdh 15-Oct-22
Grey Ghost 15-Oct-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 15-Oct-22
spike78 15-Oct-22
WV Mountaineer 15-Oct-22
Grey Ghost 15-Oct-22
azelkhntr 15-Oct-22
70lbDraw 15-Oct-22
Grey Ghost 15-Oct-22
butcherboy 15-Oct-22
Cazador 15-Oct-22
HDE 16-Oct-22
LTG 11 17-Oct-22
DL 17-Oct-22
fdp 17-Oct-22
DL 17-Oct-22
70lbDraw 20-Oct-22
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spike78 20-Oct-22
Missouribreaks 20-Oct-22
From: spike78
14-Oct-22

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Not sure if I’m buying this. What’s your thoughts? Alaska cancels snow crab season. Odd how our entire food industry has been hit someway or another from Chickens to cattle to Maine lobsters and now snow crab. Either very odd or very convenient. Every time I watched Deadliest Catch those Bering seas looked mighty damn cold!

From: yooper89
14-Oct-22
Yeah Alaska F&G is in cahoots with Bill Gates to get everybody eating lab foods

From: KSflatlander
14-Oct-22
Well that went off the rails in like 30 seconds.

From: Joey Ward
14-Oct-22
I always felt Sig was good, but dayummmmm…..he must’ve been sandbagging.

From: soccern23ny
14-Oct-22
lol.

you know how scientists make a big deal about a 1deg average increase and everyone blows it off? Whelp 1 deg average makes a difference. Especially when it happens every few decades. Leading theory I saw is they went off the shelf into very deep/colder water. Presumably unable to climb back up said shelf.

I love the fresh conspiracy takes though. I mean i don't. It's just sad.

14-Oct-22
Hmmm...global illuminati sabotaging snow crab populations or man-made climate alarmist mocking that theory. I can't decide which side of this thread is the pot vs the kettle.

From: azelkhntr
15-Oct-22

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azelkhntr's embedded Photo
1 billion crabs just drop off the shelf.

From: tobywon
15-Oct-22
Snow crabs what say you?

I’d shoot for the middle of the middle!! Maybe with my recurve. Figure it’s appropriate since I shoot off the shelf with it!!

From: Mike B
15-Oct-22
No season for King crab last year, and now no Opilios? That's pretty much going to decimate the crab fleet.

Same thing happened to the Chum salmon run here in the Skagit river. Over a two year period the run went from robust to just busted. Don't know if it's what caused it, but the tribes were gillnetting the crap out of them, selling the eggs to Asian markets and just leaving the fish to rot.

15-Oct-22
Ya mike, you can kiss probably 70% of the fleet good bye… seems high but damn possible

From: Joey Ward
15-Oct-22
Guess it's back to beef on the Wednesday night Golden Corral buffet. If that REALLY is beef. ;-)

From: Grey Ghost
15-Oct-22
It sounds like Alaska G&F has been setting quotas for crabbers since 1976, based on population surveys conducted in the summers every year. Why would they suddenly turn corrupt and misrepresent the survey results? Who would possibly benefit from that?

It sucks for the crabbers, but this sounds like nothing more than good wildlife conservation and management, to me. I regularly watch The Deadliest Catch, and it does seem like in recent years they've struggled to meet their quotas, even though the quotas have gotten smaller. So, I do believe something has caused the crab population to decline. Hopefully it's just a cyclical thing and the populations will return.

Matt

From: KSflatlander
15-Oct-22
Matt Matt, you’re making way too much sense. There no place here for that.

From: 70lbDraw
15-Oct-22
Crab COVID! They’re hiding from all the mask/vax mandates.

From: Inshart
15-Oct-22
Yup, covid for sure -- once they dropped off that shelf, they have to quarantine for 6 months.

From: azelkhntr
15-Oct-22
My cynical nature detects the destruction of the independents in favor of the corporate takeover.

From: fuzzy
15-Oct-22
It's obviously Trumps fault

From: Grey Ghost
15-Oct-22
Fisheries seem to be fragile environments that biologist don't fully understand, and may never. I recall when the rainbow trout populations in many western rivers suddenly declined drastically several years ago. The biologists blamed it on Whirling Disease from a microscopic parasite. Nothing that I'm aware of was ever done to combat the parasite. Eventually the rainbows began making a comeback. Populations of native rainbows and reproductive rates still aren't what they used to be, but it is improving.

If you talk to any old-timer fisherman in the S. Florida Keys you know that their fishery is a mere shadow of what it once was. Popular sport fish, like bonefish, permit, and tarpon were once plentiful. The bonefish were the first to disappear. Then the size and numbers of permit started declining. The tarpon proved to be a little more hearty, but they declined as well. Thru conservation and management efforts, like catch and release regulations and water quality improvements, those species have slowly began making a comeback.

I'm sure there are similar stories in fisheries all over the world. Hopefully, the Alaskan crab fisheries experience a similar comeback. Sometimes Mother Nature just has to do her thing.

Matt

15-Oct-22
Meanwhile the Russians are wide open

15-Oct-22
Places that import Russian crab are going gangbusters. The prices are low. We don't import Russian crab due to Ukraine.

Russia is cutting back on some fisheries now due to illegal crabbing hurting the resource (their story).

From: spike78
15-Oct-22
Is it possible the population is fine but they are currently elsewhere? Serious question as I do not know what methods they use to locate crabs and how do they count them?

From: Grey Ghost
15-Oct-22

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Russia turned 50% of their crab fishing quotas into an auction to the highest bidders in 2019. The winners of the auctions were required to order a crab-fishing vessel to be built by a Russian shipyard. One large company won over 1/3 of the quotas. I doubt conservation and management of their crab resource is their primary concern.

Matt

From: Mpdh
15-Oct-22
Aren’t the quotas determined by last year’s catch? Maybe the fisherman had a bad year but the crab are just fine.

From: Grey Ghost
15-Oct-22
In Alaska, each crab boat gets *shares* of the total allowable catch based on their catch history. The total allowable catch is based on summer population surveys. So, for example, if the total allowable catch is 100 tons, and a boat has 1% shares, that boat can catch 1 ton of crab. If the total allowable catch is 10 tons, that boat can only catch 1/10 of a ton. If the total allowable catch is 0 tons, the boat captains and deck hands have to find work elsewhere.

Matt

15-Oct-22
Mark they do summer survey study’s that determine the quota for the year.

From: spike78
15-Oct-22
Is it possible the population is fine but they are currently elsewhere? Serious question as I do not know what methods they use to locate crabs and how do they count them?

15-Oct-22
It’s been a trend is my guess.

From: Grey Ghost
15-Oct-22
Spike78, they do a lot of commercial stone and blue crab fishing around where we vacation in Sanibel every year. We also set traps for baby blue and pass crabs to use for fishing bait. Once you figure out the type of water, bottom structure, temp, depth, etc...you can usually catch them in the same spots every year. They also "flush" with the hill tides at certain times of year. You can scoop them out of the water with long nets from a boat when they are flushing. So they aren't exactly hard to find or difficult to study the populations down there. I suspect it's the same in the Alaskan fisheries, only on a larger/deeper scale.

I do know that only male crabs of most species can be harvested. Females have be released. I think the focus of the quota surveys is on mature female crabs, which are an indication of future reproduction rates and overall populations.

Matt

From: azelkhntr
15-Oct-22

azelkhntr's Link
Last years harvest was half the usual amount. The shortfall this year was anticipated in the Spring.

From: 70lbDraw
15-Oct-22
I wonder which group will be the one to claim that filming Deadliest Catch in the first place, is what caused it?

From: Grey Ghost
15-Oct-22
I doubt Deadliest Catch inspired too many new crabbers. Just like Gold Rush. They are both brutal ways to make a living, that most don’t have the fortitude or resources to pursue. If anyone blames DC for this, they are brain dead.

Matt

From: butcherboy
15-Oct-22
They will find something else to fish for. They have to in order to survive. The ones that can’t will be gone. Bairdi, blue king, cod, halibut, tendering, etc. the die hards will find a way. Hopefully….

From: Cazador
15-Oct-22
My take, man has destroyed everything we touch. We are locusts! Alaska from the US perspective and even globally is the last of it and yet we have milked it dry and then some. The salmon situation is a slap in the face to conservation and the world as a whole.

Sad story

From: HDE
16-Oct-22
Mankind aren't locusts, but mankind's glut behavior is. Moderation in all things, including wealth...

From: LTG 11
17-Oct-22
Poaching from foreign vessels doesn't help....

From: DL
17-Oct-22
On deadliest catch they had an episode where Russian trawlers were fishing in US waters. Trawlers, aka drag boats have massive nets that drag across the bottom catching of destroying everything in their path. I lived near Monterey bay for 21 years. For decades there were drag boats fishing there. Dungeness crabs were a rare find back then. No one fished for them because there were hardly any there. They finally banned that type of fishing. Now the crabs are back. I went out fishing with a friend. His crab traps were packed with legal crabs. If those trawlers in Alaska go through a biomass of crabs they could get tons in one net.

From: fdp
17-Oct-22
The publicizing of this story was a conspiracy to encourage the promotion of conspiracy theories. It worked.

From: DL
17-Oct-22

DL's embedded Photo
DL's embedded Photo
One of these Russian boats can catch 150-200 tons a day. Whatever is in the way gets killed and leaves the bottom looking like it’s been plowed. Then there’s the issue of tons of too small fish that die and are shoveled overboard. These giant factory boats catch and process fish 24 hours a day. They should be banned.

From: 70lbDraw
20-Oct-22

70lbDraw's Link
And the culprit is…global warming! Because of global warming the crabs disappeared suddenly. Because global warming is not a gradual change. It happens over night!

From now on, if I get skunked on a fishing or hunting trip, I’ll simply blame climate change.

From: drycreek
20-Oct-22
I don’t know come here from sic ‘em about snow crabs but things aren’t always as the seem (or officially represented). We had a pretyy big fish kill on a 3,000 acre local lake a year or two ago and the Texas Department of Wildlife represented it to be due to a golden algae bloom when they had been spraying the hell out of all the vegetation in the upper end of the lake for two weeks prior. Coinsidence ? Maybe, but I doubt it.

From: spike78
20-Oct-22
Dry creek that sounds more plausible then climate change. They basically said it was like a 3 degree temp difference. Not sure if I buy that.

20-Oct-22
The climate has always been in a state of change, and that will continue with or without man. Do we play a role ? Sure we do, just the way it is. As far as the harvest, there are plenty of other things to eat besides snow crab.

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