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Lewis 24-Oct-22
Scrappy 24-Oct-22
Matte 24-Oct-22
DanaC 24-Oct-22
drycreek 24-Oct-22
RonP 25-Oct-22
Jason Stafford 26-Oct-22
elkpacker 26-Oct-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 26-Oct-22
midwest 27-Oct-22
Kurt 27-Oct-22
Rut Nut 27-Oct-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 27-Oct-22
fuzzy 27-Oct-22
greg simon 27-Oct-22
Corax_latrans 27-Oct-22
TGbow 27-Oct-22
Kurt 27-Oct-22
Corax_latrans 27-Oct-22
DonVathome 01-Nov-22
Corax_latrans 01-Nov-22
LFN 02-Nov-22
DonVathome 02-Nov-22
70lbDraw 02-Nov-22
Jaquomo 02-Nov-22
Corax_latrans 02-Nov-22
Corax_latrans 02-Nov-22
Jaquomo 02-Nov-22
Corax_latrans 03-Nov-22
DonVathome 03-Nov-22
From: Lewis
24-Oct-22
Report says another hunter was attacked by a grizzly he was able to fend off the attack but accidentally shot himself in the leg.His son was hunting with him and was able to get help.He was airlifted to Utah.Stay safe Lewis

From: Scrappy
24-Oct-22
That would cut your hunt short.

From: Matte
24-Oct-22
They also just found a set of human remains that had been eaten.

From: DanaC
24-Oct-22

DanaC's Link
Yeah, shot himself in the leg. Maybe the bear was impressed with how tough he is?

From: drycreek
24-Oct-22
I imagine he was in a panic, I know I would be. I’d rather face a New York subway thug than a grizzly.

From: RonP
25-Oct-22
"They also just found a set of human remains that had been eaten."

Is that from a different bear and incident? Could you provide more information?

26-Oct-22
RonP, they found human remains that have been out there awhile. Speculation is that they are a hunter who disappeared during a snowstorm in 2019. Nothing to do with a bear attack.

From: elkpacker
26-Oct-22
The bears are tired of NY woks coming from everywheare. Enough they said

26-Oct-22
There’s no bear problems out west tho right guys? At least that’s what the keep saying

27-Oct-22
The hunter was from Evanston Wyoming. It’s not unheard of for people to put their finger on the trigger while drawing the weapon. A lot of poorly trained cops using a certain brand holster have done it. A certain brand and model of holster was blamed and banned from shooting competitions and ranges. But of course it was never the holsters fault.

In the Wyoming mountains the most likely cause of Un natural death while hunting is a horse or mule.

1 in 10,000 horse wrecks result in the fatality of a human being. Compare that to 1 in 2.1 million for your odds of being killed by a grizzly.

Better of hunting with a college wrestler

From: midwest
27-Oct-22
You're supposed to shoot your hunting partner in the leg.

Glad he survived. That would be scary as heck.

From: Kurt
27-Oct-22
https://www.ksl.com/article/50502165/wyoming-man-describes-fighting-off-grizzly-bear-accidentally-shooting-leg-in-attack

Good interview with him on the above TV news site. He was on his back kicking at the bear when he shot himself in the leg.

I've met the guy in BC and he is the real deal with more outdoor experience than most. He was up accompanying and filming/photographing a family member's hunt. Sounds like he is doing really well.

From: Rut Nut
27-Oct-22
I was thinking the same thing Midwest! : )

27-Oct-22
Haha Perry and Nick

From: fuzzy
27-Oct-22
I'd rather shoot myself and the bear than miss both (In an attack)

From: greg simon
27-Oct-22
If my leg is in a bear's mouth, I'm shooting! Maybe I hit my leg, maybe I don't. I'd rather have a surgeon pick bullet fragments out of my leg than have a game warden pick me fragments out of grizzly scat!!!

27-Oct-22
“1 in 10,000 horse wrecks result in the fatality of a human being. Compare that to 1 in 2.1 million for your odds of being killed by a grizzly”

Oh, c’mon, Jay, you know better than that. No one has ever been killed in a horse wreck without getting on a horse, and the % of the population which has never been on horseback is….??

Horseback riders are a small subset of people entering Griz country; I suspect those having wrecks are a small subset of people on horseback and only 1 in 10k will invest in agricultural property as a result.

You can choose where you get on a horse or not; bumping into a bear is not nearly as much within your control unless you just stay home….

And what fun is that???

OTOH, if you bump into a bear while you’re on a horse, I suspect your probability of having a wreck might increase just a touch…. ;)

From: TGbow
27-Oct-22
I'm just glad he made it thru..I can imagine it wouldn't be hard in that situation to shoot yourself in the leg

From: Kurt
27-Oct-22
https://cowboystatedaily.com/category/news/grizzly-bear-attacks/

More info

27-Oct-22
No, sweat, TGB! You just lie there calmly with your legs resting on the ground, safely out of the way instead of flailing around like you thought you could protect yourself….

It could happen!

LOL

Lucky guy, though. And plenty smart to pull the pistol as soon as he saw the den. I have to wonder how often these things go really bad primarily because a big, red flag (or several yellows) went unnoticed or was/were noted, but the human only updated his state to “High Alert” rather than “Ready”. This guy went straight to Ready. Probably saved his butt.

But do you think that was an error where they reported that he was loaded with 130 grain hardcast?? That seems light to me.

From: DonVathome
01-Nov-22
I met some of his relatives in WY last week. The story they told was he was elk hunting and noticed a lot of freshly dug earth and fresh griz tracks 20 yards away. He quickly realized it was a bear digging a den. He went for his revolver and at that time the bear came flying out of the den at him. He did not have time to draw and fire his weapon before the bear was on him. He was kicking it away and shooting at the same time and in the process hit himself in the leg.

I can easily see how this could happen. And again this was told to me by relatives a few days again. The amount of griz sign I saw on both of my 10 trips to WY this October was scary. There were 47 piles of griz poop on 1 trail in 3 miles (as the crow flies). I did not count it but saw it, the same group who told me about the attack counted it.

01-Nov-22
And if he hadn’t already been reaching for it, I wonder if he’d ever have gotten to it??

Interesting, too, that you mentioned a revolver, because I was under the impression that he had been carrying a semi…

From: LFN
02-Nov-22
perhaps the "relatives" were not that close, in the interview link provided by Kurt above the hunter clearly states he chambered his glock 10mm and got off 3 or 4 shots before the bear hit him. I don't get it, why carry with an empty chamber? it'll take you two hands to chamber a round which you may not have in a bear attack. He stated he likes the glock over a revolver because he has 14 or 15 rounds yet apparently he is not comfortable carrying his glock loaded.

02-Nov-22
Corax, those are the numbers that the state reports. I just passed them on.

02-Nov-22
It’s to point out that you need to weigh all the risks. Being above tree line in a thunderstorm is more risky than walking around in bear country. Odds matter.

It’s more likely that we escalate the risk in our minds because we are more afraid of getting eaten by something than just being killed.

From: DonVathome
02-Nov-22
Sorry I have no idea if they said revolver, I just typed that without thinking.

I strongly agree with altitude sickness. My flight home & drive the airport were more risky. However my feelings are starting to change.

That said recent attacks, solo, and seeing a LOT of fresh bear sign did weigh on me. See my unit 4 sheep report I posted today. I did not carry my gun while packing my moose solo during an AK fly in hunt. I am not bragging just saying I have been in situations with griz a lot. The griz around Cody make me nervous, more and more each year. Solo, more and more attacks and helicopters not getting in to rough areas has made me seriously reconsider hunting remote areas with lots of griz alone any more.

02-Nov-22

From: 70lbDraw
02-Nov-22
“It’s more likely that we escalate the risk in our minds because we are more afraid of getting eaten by something than just being killed.”

Bingo…well put, and oh so true!

From: Jaquomo
02-Nov-22
Life has risks, and hunting has many risks. That said, if I'm going to get dead on a hunt I would much rather it be by a lightning bolt or heart attack than getting eaten alive by a grizzly. But that's just me..

02-Nov-22
No question that we are more afraid of being eaten. I think that’s an even more primal horror than death itself.

@Don - FWIW, I think it’s totally reasonable to be more afraid of grizzlies in Wyoming than elsewhere, especially if “elsewhere“ is a place where grizzlies get shot at on a semi regular basis. The ones in the lower 48 have been conditioned for generations to recognize that humans pose no threat to them whatsoever.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who saw this, but on the weather channel they had a video taken by a family in Glacier where they were walking along the trail and a Griz (or what appeared to be one) was coming the opposite direction. They backed away, but did not use their bear spray because they were worried that they might “agitate” the bear.

I don’t really follow the logic of carrying something to stop an attack if you think that it might actually trigger one, and JMO, it seems like a valuable opportunity wasted to have not made a lasting impression on the bear in question (regardless of species).

I’m just crazy enough to think that if more bears got pepper-sprayed, there would be lower mortality/casualties among humans and bears alike.

02-Nov-22
“ if I'm going to get dead on a hunt I would much rather it be by a lightning bolt or heart attack than getting eaten alive by a grizzly.”

Won’t argue that! If I ever buy it in the woods, I just hope I do it in such a way that doesn’t give me a lot of time to contemplate what a dumbass I had been to cause it to end that way…

From: Jaquomo
02-Nov-22
The hunter I was guiding who died in my arms had just told me it was the most beautiful morning he had ever seen, and he was finally getting to hunt elk with his son. Five minutes later he was dead. Collapsed without a sound. The last sound he heard was an elk bugle. No shit. That's not a bad way to go. Better than having your face ripped off.

03-Nov-22
A guy could do worse.

03-Nov-22
Sounds like the perfect way to go.

Having my head in a bears mouth. Not so much.

Now the guide (Lou) on the other hand has to deal with the son and the gentleman’s body. So the hunter got off easy. Lou is the one I don’t envy in that story.

We lost a gentleman from California on the Lhotse Face, and we had him rolled up in his bag for 3 days while his wife made arrangements to retrieve his body and ship it home.

for $3000 they would drag you down and burn your carcass. I went for the free option if I was in that position and low enough in elevation

Just roll me into a crevasse or out of view.

From: DonVathome
03-Nov-22
I have hunted around bears, alone in remote areas many times, including this are of WY.

I might not do this alone anymore. True odd are rare - but it is deceptive. Tons of hunters in WY. However - WY has a very low population. Just over a half million people live in WY. When the Cavs won the championship in Cleveland Oh a few years ago it is estimated almost 1.5 million people attend the parade. That is 3x the population of the entire state of WY.

Now single out hunters AND only hunters around the Yellowstone area of WY - where most of the griz are and suddenly the low odds of attack multiple by well over 100 fold from what you would think. Attacks are on the rise. Latest one rescue helicopter could not get to the guy. Where I have hunted is for sure as bad or worse terrain so my PLB is just telling them where to retrieve my body. 3 victims in latest WY attacks likely would have dies if alone.

The local bio told me one guy saw 40 griz in the high country one time.

WY attacks on hunters are happening more and more.

At what point do you decide to avoid this scenario. For me this might be it. I was just alone there for 18 days - but if possible I might not do this every again. I promised my fiancee and kids I would not take risks. Going there again would be breaking my promise.

Please keep in mind how few hunters are in this area of Wyoming. Yes it is unlikely but the odds are not as low as you think.

I might moose hunt this area in the next few years, only because I can get a tag. I will try to get a tag in another area but might not be able to, this is my only chance to hunt Shiras moose.

Unless you have spent a week or more covering a lot of ground and glassing this area it is tough to understand the amount of griz.

To each his own. My kids need me and it would be very selfish of me to take myself out of their lives at this point.

My personal choice is not to hunt the areas in WY with lot's of griz alone anymore if at all possible. I have spent about 6 weeks, alone, in these exact areas in the past decade.

Sorry to ramble but please keep in mind this is just a small corner of WY - really small once you remove YNP. Now factor in how few hunters there are - and hunting alone with zero chance of help from others. Now, as others mentioned, there are good ways to die, and there are "grizzly" ways to die. I think I will try to avoid the grizzly ways to die in the future.

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