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Contributors to this thread:
deerhunter72 25-Oct-22
Hackbow 25-Oct-22
deerhunter72 25-Oct-22
CTBobcat 25-Oct-22
Rocky D 25-Oct-22
Rocky D 25-Oct-22
Chief 419 25-Oct-22
deerhunter72 25-Oct-22
12yards 25-Oct-22
Keefers 26-Oct-22
Andrew M at Work 26-Oct-22
c5ken 26-Oct-22
scentman 26-Oct-22
TMac 26-Oct-22
Kodiak 26-Oct-22
Kodiak 26-Oct-22
EmbryOklahoma 26-Oct-22
Hancock West 26-Oct-22
Lord of Horns 26-Oct-22
WhattheFOC 26-Oct-22
firstblood 26-Oct-22
deerhunter72 26-Oct-22
WhattheFOC 26-Oct-22
deerhunter72 26-Oct-22
Bill in MI 26-Oct-22
WhattheFOC 26-Oct-22
Duke 26-Oct-22
Shug 27-Oct-22
Shug 27-Oct-22
ILBow288 27-Oct-22
Buckiller 27-Oct-22
WYelkhunter 28-Oct-22
deerhunter72 28-Oct-22
Scoot 28-Oct-22
Andrew M at Work 28-Oct-22
deerhunter72 28-Oct-22
JohnMC 28-Oct-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 28-Oct-22
deerhunter72 28-Oct-22
stealthycat 28-Oct-22
WhattheFOC 28-Oct-22
JohnMC 28-Oct-22
WhattheFOC 28-Oct-22
deerhunter72 28-Oct-22
Rocky D 28-Oct-22
Kurt 28-Oct-22
deerhunter72 28-Oct-22
Rocky D 29-Oct-22
FORESTBOWS 29-Oct-22
Rocky D 29-Oct-22
From: deerhunter72
25-Oct-22

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I got my bow kill buck back last week from the taxidermist, took almost 1 year to the date which isn’t too bad. Finally got the chance to put a tape to the rack and I was surprised at what I found. The rack is pretty unique in how the ends of the beam curl in. I’m not an official scorer by no means but I think I’m pretty accurate. The rack is a main frame 7x7 with 2 extra points on the left. I’ve spent the last year thinking he was a 7x6 but the G6 on the left is actually 1”. I’ll post some pictures and you guys can tell me what you think. I’ll spot you the width, 15 and an eight”.

From: Hackbow
25-Oct-22
It may be easier to compare tine lengths if pictures were a little further away. I was having a little trouble with perspective. However, what a cool looking buck!

161

From: deerhunter72
25-Oct-22

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Good point Hackbow. I’ll throw up a few more.

From: CTBobcat
25-Oct-22
Despite his lazy right eye, awesome buck. I think he cracks 175" gross. But no clue on net with all the trash.

From: Rocky D
25-Oct-22
Gross 173 and net 158 net!

From: Rocky D
25-Oct-22

From: Chief 419
25-Oct-22
I think he’s 168 gross. Great tine length but seems to be lacking mass. Unique looking rack.

From: deerhunter72
25-Oct-22
Chief, yes the mass on this deer was definitely less than what is normal for the genetics in my area.

From: 12yards
25-Oct-22
152

From: Keefers
26-Oct-22
1645/8

26-Oct-22
184"

From: c5ken
26-Oct-22
175 gross

From: scentman
26-Oct-22
House or Senate?

From: TMac
26-Oct-22
178 2/8

From: Kodiak
26-Oct-22

From: Kodiak
26-Oct-22
162

26-Oct-22
162.375

From: Hancock West
26-Oct-22
161

26-Oct-22
162.374

From: WhattheFOC
26-Oct-22
Nice deer! 146 net typical

From: firstblood
26-Oct-22
171

From: deerhunter72
26-Oct-22
Thanks for playing along fellas. I’ll give you the main beam lengths and let this go a bit further before I post the totals. Right beam= 24” Left beam= 21” I will say that my field and picture judging on this buck was way off!

From: WhattheFOC
26-Oct-22
It’s a nice buck. I’d shoot it, but I’d never measure it.

From: deerhunter72
26-Oct-22
Trevor, thanks for your input. Although your statement is not helpful here, everyone has the right to their own opinion and you stated yours clearly. I hunted deer for years without ever even knowing about scoring or what it meant. I guess I’ve followed along with the craze and I’ve gone back and scored some of my best deer in the past few years. Not that it means all that much because I’ve never entered a buck into any book and never will.

From: Bill in MI
26-Oct-22
166 4/8

From: WhattheFOC
26-Oct-22
I’ve got a garage full of em. Nice bucks that my buddy insisted on scoring - they all score between 140 and 150 … except on the Bowsite, where they would score 175. … or low 190s

From: Duke
26-Oct-22
166”

From: Shug
27-Oct-22
Lots of time length to add.. I’d say 60 something

From: Shug
27-Oct-22
Lots of time length to add.. I’d say 60 something

27-Oct-22
158

From: ILBow288
27-Oct-22
I think it's bigger than everyone thinks! im coming up with low 190's

From: Buckiller
27-Oct-22
159

28-Oct-22

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Using this pic his tines, they are not much longer than his ear. And the mass is smaller than the eye circumference. Taking the ear length and comparing to tines. Since the width and beam length were given should be close.

From: WYelkhunter
28-Oct-22
167 would be my guess

From: deerhunter72
28-Oct-22

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Just used the paper I had on hand to record the measurements.
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Just used the paper I had on hand to record the measurements.
Thanks again for all of the guesses! I didn’t really have much history with this deer, but I did have some pictures of him from the prior year as a nice straight 10 with the beams curving in, and then last year he shows up on the cameras in the exact same week as a 16 pt. He put on a tremendous amount of antler in 1 year. As mentioned, his mass is a little weak but still had over 34”. Over 87” inches of tines including the abnormal points. 6 days before I killed, I had this deer at 10 yards directly behind my tree but I ran out of light couldn’t ever get a clean shot. The next hunt he came out of the neighbors standing corn and walked almost exactly the same steps but I got a shot at 27 yards. One of my most memorable hunts ever.

Total gross 182 1/8 Net 155 7/8 My guess on the hoof was 160 and thought he might reach 170, but I was really surprised that he went over 180”. My highest grossing buck to date.

Andrew M at work got the closest gross score guessing 184” and Rocky D came close on the net at 158”

From: Scoot
28-Oct-22
Damn, I shoulda chimed in-- my guess was 182 gross (I don't care about net). I got busy at work and didn't remember to chime in. Beauty of a buck!

28-Oct-22
Sure Scoot, easy to say that now. What did I win? A new car??

From: deerhunter72
28-Oct-22
Thanks Scoot!

Andrew, your check is in the mail as soon as I get Nancy Pelosi to sign it;)

From: JohnMC
28-Oct-22
how are you getting 6 5/8 for the h4?

28-Oct-22
I was thinking the same as JohnMC…looks like the G3-G4 are one base until they split off….

From: deerhunter72
28-Oct-22

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John, that is the measurement between those 2 points. I did some reading about taking the measurement there or going out past the 4 the point. What I found is that the measurement is taken there unless one of the points is considered an abnormal point. I’m far from an expert on that. Doesn’t really matter to me. The difference would be a couple of less inches on the gross and an increase in the net. I figure that the mass is there so I took it.

From: stealthycat
28-Oct-22
I was going to say 181" gross before I read the sheet - unique buck, congrats !

From: WhattheFOC
28-Oct-22
Google Zaft Buck … it was a very similar situation. PandY concluded that one of the points was nontyp… which cost Zaft the world record bowkill.

From: JohnMC
28-Oct-22
You wouldn't take it there I don't think. I don't think those would be considered a G3, and G4. But might be a close call. But they seem to share a common base off main beam so one would be a G3 the other abnormal point. Maybe an official scorer will chime in. To tell if that is correct.

From: WhattheFOC
28-Oct-22

From: deerhunter72
28-Oct-22
WTF, I remember that. I also remember a buck from around 10 years ago that a young man killed that they thought would surpass the Mel Johnson buck. That deer had a similar situation as this deer. The first official scorer ruled it typical but then the panel was split on it. Not sure exactly what happened but the Johnson buck still stands.

I referenced a Bowsite post from 2013 about measuring that H4 and one official scorer, can’t remember who, said that if you imagine cutting those points off just above the beam and you could see rings(I think that’s would he said) from each point then they are separate points and to take a measurement there. They were talking about a buck that had a huge web up between the 3rd and 4th points. I think these two points do both originate off of the main beam. Maybe I’m wrong. Either way, I’m not going to have it scored further so it doesn’t matter to me. Call it a 179”-180” inch gross. Still much higher than I would’ve thought.

From: Rocky D
28-Oct-22
“ Andrew M at work got the closest gross score guessing 184” and Rocky D came close on the net at 158”

I knew that rack was bigger but the width wouldn’t let me wrap my head around the overall ! size.

Deerhunter, was an excellent rack to have for a challenge!

From: Kurt
28-Oct-22
Heck of a buck!!!! Congratulations!!! A wall of tines on him!

Not a scorer but regarding the abnormal points (7-1/8") on this buck....don't they just subtract from the gross score, never adding in...unless they total high enough (15") to make the buck a non-typical, then they add in? i.e. on this buck the typical gross score would be 175" and the net 148-6/8"? Maybe an official scorer can weigh in and correct my interpretation.

From: deerhunter72
28-Oct-22

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Thanks Rocky! It certainly was a challenge for me. I agree about the width. To me, a super wide rack is the most impressive looking deer. But, width is just one measurement. A super heavy rack or an extra tine or two can make up for a narrow width. This picture has a buck with a 22.5” inside width on the right and he grosses less than the one on the left.

From: Rocky D
29-Oct-22
Deerhunter, time length matters!

Bahaha, bahaha, and bawaa!

29-Oct-22
182

From: Rocky D
29-Oct-22
Deerhunter, time length matters!

Bahaha, bahaha, and bawaa!

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