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Contributors to this thread:
Pat Lefemine 31-Oct-22
Corax_latrans 31-Oct-22
Kodiak 31-Oct-22
Rocky D 31-Oct-22
t-roy 31-Oct-22
Pat Lefemine 31-Oct-22
sitO 31-Oct-22
Finnman 31-Oct-22
Patdel 31-Oct-22
EmbryOklahoma 31-Oct-22
Pat Lefemine 31-Oct-22
EmbryOklahoma 31-Oct-22
Thornton 31-Oct-22
sitO 31-Oct-22
Corax_latrans 31-Oct-22
JohnMC 31-Oct-22
Grunter 31-Oct-22
deserthunter 31-Oct-22
Pat Lefemine 31-Oct-22
EmbryOklahoma 01-Nov-22
[email protected] 01-Nov-22
Grey Ghost 01-Nov-22
DanaC 01-Nov-22
ultimag 01-Nov-22
Rocky D 01-Nov-22
Brotsky 01-Nov-22
Bake 01-Nov-22
APauls 01-Nov-22
Rocky D 01-Nov-22
buckhammer 01-Nov-22
Catscratch 01-Nov-22
M.Pauls 01-Nov-22
KHNC 01-Nov-22
Bou'bound 01-Nov-22
Grey Ghost 01-Nov-22
ultimag 01-Nov-22
ultimag 01-Nov-22
Zbone 01-Nov-22
ILBow288 01-Nov-22
Catscratch 01-Nov-22
ultimag 01-Nov-22
Grey Ghost 01-Nov-22
Twinetickler 01-Nov-22
EmbryOklahoma 01-Nov-22
TGbow 01-Nov-22
TMac 01-Nov-22
drycreek 01-Nov-22
Bearman 01-Nov-22
Thornton 01-Nov-22
Grey Ghost 01-Nov-22
Lawboytom 02-Nov-22
APauls 02-Nov-22
Charlie Rehor 02-Nov-22
Pat Lefemine 14-Nov-22
MA-PAdeerslayer 14-Nov-22
Rocky D 14-Nov-22
fuzzy 14-Nov-22
BoggsBowhunts 14-Nov-22
Bowboy 14-Nov-22
Grey Ghost 14-Nov-22
Pat Lefemine 14-Nov-22
Cheesehead Mike 14-Nov-22
APauls 14-Nov-22
Buckdeer 14-Nov-22
Julius Koenig 14-Nov-22
fuzzy 18-Nov-22
From: Pat Lefemine
31-Oct-22

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
My neighbor, who hunts 150 yards from my border had this buck under his stand tonight. He told me he’s got tons of pics.

I’ve got 40 cameras and 35k pics so far since August and not one pic of that buck.

These animals never cease to amaze me.

31-Oct-22
It’s a fake. You can see where he glued up that antler on the deer’s right side!!

Left side is obviously cobbled together from Elk & moose bits….

That’s a buck with a LOT of character!!

From: Kodiak
31-Oct-22
Beautiful buck. A slammer.

From: Rocky D
31-Oct-22
Pat, are your properties similar?

From: t-roy
31-Oct-22
It’s amazing to me that we get as many pics of them, that we do, sometimes. I’ve watched bucks on or near food plots or tree stands, with a camera on it, wandering all over the place, and never once walking in front of my cameras. Also have had bucks constantly in front the camera on one side of the farm, not a single pic of them, on the other side of the farm. Other bucks seem to be wanderers, and travel all over the place.

From: Pat Lefemine
31-Oct-22
Rocky, he’s got 35 acres, I’ve got 130. Other than that they have identical characteristics. Except I have 30 acres of plots.

From: sitO
31-Oct-22
Do you have cameras on scrapes Pat?

From: Finnman
31-Oct-22
Maybe he was coming through your neighbors place on his way to your's.

From: Patdel
31-Oct-22
Crazy isnt it. I woukd almost rather not get a picture of a big one. Its usually a guarantee i will never see him while hunting. Meanwhile i see deer every year that i have no pictures of.

Go figure.

31-Oct-22
Cameras only cover a small portion. He could’ve been on you and you never knew it because he takes alternate travels than what you thought, with your camera placement. Do something different with your 40 cams. You’ll probably get a pic.

From: Pat Lefemine
31-Oct-22
At least 8 cams on scrapes, I have over 35 bucks that are 2.5 with four that are 5.5 or older so far this season. The only thing he's doing that I'm not is putting out bait on the ground.

31-Oct-22
If you’re replying to me, Pat… do something different. Or… maybe he likes the bait on the ground and knows your tendencies?

Edit: or he likes the neighbors 35. :)

From: Thornton
31-Oct-22
A buck I've been after this season that scored 170" last year was living on only 40 acres.

From: sitO
31-Oct-22
I knew the photo was cropped for a reason, kudos, he'll be around

31-Oct-22
Well, Pat….

You can do it the Easy Way, or you can do it….

The Cowboy Way.

From: JohnMC
31-Oct-22
Under his stand with him in it? If so why did he pass? Does he have something better he is after?

From: Grunter
31-Oct-22
Him core area is your neighbors or somewhere else. He could be coming to your side just no pics yet. Just need him to start traveling with a doe over to yours. Nice buck for sure! That left side is awesome with that bladed brow.

Side question--how many times have you hunted there this year? And how many times do you think your neighbor has hunted? Just curious about the pressure, and if maybe he felt safer on the neighbors.

From: deserthunter
31-Oct-22
We have 20 acres in N Idaho. It had a creek that runs right through the middle. I have cameras on both sides. We have resident bucks that live on both sides of the creek. I can step across the creek right now. We have bucks on both sides that never cross.

From: Pat Lefemine
31-Oct-22
He couldn’t get a clear shot. I’m very disciplined and surgical about hunting my ground. I’m not pressuring my ground at all. My mature bucks are rarely on his side. We share pics and he’s generally frustrated by that.

This is the first time he’s got a good buck that I don’t know about. And it’s surprising that a mature buck is hitting his bait in daylight.

01-Nov-22
“We share pics and he’s generally frustrated by that.”

Hmmm… :)

01-Nov-22
That buck is Amish. Word is out not to go on Pat's place.

From: Grey Ghost
01-Nov-22
So, are you happy for your neighbor’s good fortune, or are you butt hurt, Pat?

Matt

From: DanaC
01-Nov-22
He's scared of you ;-)

From: ultimag
01-Nov-22
pat . are you hunting ny or Connecticut ?

From: Rocky D
01-Nov-22
Maybe your place is on the edge of his core area.

If he doesn’t kill him soon maybe your doe will draw him onto your place.

The upcoming full moon may get him over there at night.

On another note, I bet has secure cover and a good food source and he’s just making trips back-and-forth. He has probably been rubbing big-time on your neighbors property and he’s just getting ready for the action.

On another note, several experienced hunters experienced bow hunters that live in Ohio have told me that for the more mature books they really like the latter part of November over the first couple of weeks for the more mature bucks!

From: Brotsky
01-Nov-22
Pat, there's only one picture of him that counts, get that one and then see how frustrated your neighbor is :)

From: Bake
01-Nov-22
I wonder if he's a loner. . . doesn't want to be around the other deer and mature bucks around your food sources. Has somewhere weird to bed where all the other deer ain't.

Living on your place with food everywhere and good cover may be like living in a big city. It's nice and convenient, but there are people everywhere. This buck may like the rural lifestyle. . . not as convenient, but not so many deer to contend with :)

From: APauls
01-Nov-22
As they get older they generally don't cover as much ground. They can live 90% of their life in just a few acres. I love watching those tracking studies. But ya, you'd never think it would happen like that.

From: Rocky D
01-Nov-22

From: buckhammer
01-Nov-22
When trying to figure out a mature buck and hunting for him they will soon make you realize that what you thought was possible soon becomes the impossible.

In 2017 I had a 3 year old buck on my farm that would gross in the mid 130's. I had dozens of pics of that buck in 2017 both daylight and after dark but yet I never laid eyes on him once when hunting. I found both of his sheds in the spring of 2018 laying side by side.

In 2018 I never had a single pic of this buck nor did any of my neighbors and no one ever seen him but yet in the spring of 2019 I once again found both of his sheds on my farm laying not 100 yards from each other. With a conservative spread I figured he would gross in the mid 150"s

In 2019 the same scenario was playing out once again. No pics or sightings until the morning of November 14th I was out for a scouting drive around the section when I finally laid eyes on him tending a doe in a horse pasture 3/4 of a mile east of my farm. 10 days later a friend of mine shot him. He grossed 172.

From: Catscratch
01-Nov-22
40 camera's and no pressure. How do you accomplish that? I can't run a couple of cameras without adding pressure due to the 3-4 times a year I pull cards and check batteries.

From: M.Pauls
01-Nov-22
Cell cams

From: KHNC
01-Nov-22
Im sure he is using cell cameras for this purpose.

From: Bou'bound
01-Nov-22
Yes no need to go into the field and interact with the deer. All remote.

From: Grey Ghost
01-Nov-22
A camera for every 3.25 acres. Wow! That's some impressive surveillance. ;-)

Matt

From: ultimag
01-Nov-22

From: ultimag
01-Nov-22
if it's in ny turn him in baiting is illegal

From: Zbone
01-Nov-22
Yeah totally agree, they are truly amazing....

Thought it just happens to me, maybe it's an Ohio thing...8^) But big buck shows up for a short period especially this time of year and never to be seen again... Can't count the times have seen a bruiser I hadn't seen before and never to be seen again, only seeing them once or twice... Personally I believe they travel further than most think, and if they survive arrows and bolts through Thanksgiving weekend, and not on their home turf at the time of gun season, it depends on where they are if they can run the firesticks gauntlet to get back to they're home sanctuary to survive another year....

From: ILBow288
01-Nov-22
I put a camera in a far far far corner of our farm that i've never had a camera before. The property line actually makes a small pizza slice shape in this area. I picked up the biggest bodied deer i've ever had on cam about 5 times in October alone. He's clearly old, and he clearly frequents that corner. He has a very distinct rack i can confidently say i've never seen on the rest of the farm. It happens no doubt!

From: Catscratch
01-Nov-22
40 cell cams on 130 acres is amazing! And I agree that it is amazing that deer hasn't been pic'd there once with that kind of coverage.

From: ultimag
01-Nov-22
makes you wonder if it's photo shopped

From: Grey Ghost
01-Nov-22
I've heard the next vogue way of scouting deer will be high definition real time satellite imagery systems. Can anyone confirm this, and point me to the leading companies advancing this technology? I may have to invest, since old school reading sign and woodsmanship is clearly antiquated skills.

Matt

From: Twinetickler
01-Nov-22
Matt you would be a hard guy to be around.

Nice buck Pat he may end up on you if a skanky doe is on your place.

01-Nov-22
We have about 1 cam per every 110 acres on the 550 we hunt. I feel so poor. Oh wait, I am.

That being said, I can count on one finger the amount of bucks that I’ve killed over the years, that we’ve got a photo of. That was my 2021 buck. There were about 3 pics of him, at night, about 1/4 mile from our camp. I killed him about a mile from there and first time any of us had seen him. The neighbor had a half dozen pics of him on his corn piles though, which he was full of. :)

Good luck killing him, Pat.

From: TGbow
01-Nov-22
That's the thing about cameras, they can be encouraging at times but in reality, they don't tell the whole story..deer can walk right behind it or right by it at an angle and you never get a pic.

Does seem strange with that many cameras out, you didn't get a pic.

From: TMac
01-Nov-22
Is his left rear leg indented?

From: drycreek
01-Nov-22
Simple Pat, he knows you will let the air out of him. (If you ain’t taking a boot pic when he walks by)

From: Bearman
01-Nov-22

Bearman's embedded Photo
Bearman's embedded Photo
Over 5 years I got 1000's of picks of this buck on a mineral lick. I have a foodplot only about 50 yards away and never got a pick of him there even though it's very secluded and a MAJOR attraction to many deer.

From: Thornton
01-Nov-22
Mr. Higgins mentioned that if you're not able to hunt the buck's bedding area, the likelihood of killing him goes down to 10% or something like that.

From: Grey Ghost
01-Nov-22
Mr. Higgins also stated that game cameras made killing bigs bucks almost easy. I admired him for admitting that.

Matt

From: Lawboytom
02-Nov-22
I had a buck I was hunting in 2015-2016 that I knew was going to go over 200”. Vanished at the end of Oct in 2016 never to be seen or pic taken again. Started talking to a neighbor this spring. He shot the deer in 2018 and it scored 201” and was 8.5 years old. I scout like crazy from the road all over by my property during the summer, I shine pretty often (it’s legal and I’m not a poacher), I have cams, and I don’t pressure my ground. All it takes is a small shift and they can be on you or off of you. I’m still kicking myself for not knowing that deer was still around.

From: APauls
02-Nov-22
Cameras and their productivity really depend on topography. With sparse woods/ag areas they get that much better as travel is more defined. Big timber areas with miles and miles of timber on perfectly flat ground try and predict where a deer will move lol. Near impossible.

02-Nov-22
It’s not.

From: Pat Lefemine
14-Nov-22

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Just got my first pic of him on my side of the fence. 100 yards from my border and my neighbor has tons of pics.

14-Nov-22
Definitely him Pat, he’s a very unique buck, be awesome to put an arrow thru him! Good luck!

From: Rocky D
14-Nov-22
You use trail cameras and bait but can’t hunt his bedding area.

I just love these easy no brainer whitetails.

I have a friend who uses cameras on public land gets thousands of pictures and he’s killed one buck that he had on camera.

Pat, long story short you have some hellaciously poor chances of killing this buck in daylight on your land.

So much for these easy whitetails!

From: fuzzy
14-Nov-22
Waiting for your kill pic Pat

14-Nov-22
I’m wondering what kind of creature is in there that made your neighbor hold off on shooting him when he was under his stand, I think you’re withholding all the good pics from us Pat!

From: Bowboy
14-Nov-22
Now that he’s coming on your property is he your #1 buck on the hit list?

From: Grey Ghost
14-Nov-22
Looks like he's headed to the Amish neighbor's bait pile. ;-)

Matt

From: Pat Lefemine
14-Nov-22

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Opposite side Neighbor two properties down passed this buck 3x last year. We’re pretty sure it’s the same buck. Not 100% though.

He’s not my number one. My top buck is an 8 we call scarface. 5.5 year old resident. I have a 160” 12 and this buck is number 3. We think both the 12 and this buck are 4.5 years old. But I’ll shoot any of the three bucks.

God I love Ohio!!

14-Nov-22

Cheesehead Mike's embedded Photo
Cheesehead Mike's embedded Photo
I have 5 cameras on my biggest food plot, one is a cell cam and 2 of them are on scrapes. A couple days ago I was hunting that food plot and I watched this 3 year old buck walk out of the woods into my food plot. He walked in just to his right of one of my cameras. Once in the plot he turned right, walked down the edge of the food plot, worked a licking branch, continued along the edge of the plot and then turned right back into the woods 5 feet before he walked past my cell cam. He then paralleled the edge of the plot just inside the woods, behind the cell camera and continued behind another camera and passed within 15 yards of me before he continued on his way through the woods sniffing and searching. He managed to walk into my plot, walk along the edge and exit in locations that avoided 3 cameras. It sure seemed to me like he knew where the cameras were and was intentionally avoiding them. Who knows...?

From: APauls
14-Nov-22
Other way to look at that Mike is that he actually walked past 3 of your cameras. The fact that he walked past the back and not the front to avoid them would imply that he knows what they do, OR he doesn't like them going off. The lights or the sound.

But I 100% agree with the point you are making in that cameras only give us a sliver of the story.

From: Buckdeer
14-Nov-22
I have deer that I don't think cross certain lines at least not on a regular basis.I bet he just stays home except maybe rut

14-Nov-22
Looks like another shooter!

From: fuzzy
18-Nov-22
Pat if he's not on your list can I have him? ;)

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