Mathews Inc.
Tracking Dog Breed
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
blackbear62 10-Nov-22
Beendare 10-Nov-22
fdp 10-Nov-22
BoggsBowhunts 10-Nov-22
W 10-Nov-22
drycreek 10-Nov-22
JTreeman 10-Nov-22
Catscratch 10-Nov-22
midwest 10-Nov-22
blackbear62 10-Nov-22
drycreek 10-Nov-22
Catscratch 10-Nov-22
Zbone 10-Nov-22
Scott/IL 10-Nov-22
timex 10-Nov-22
drycreek 10-Nov-22
Zbone 10-Nov-22
spike78 11-Nov-22
olebuck 11-Nov-22
GhostBird 11-Nov-22
timex 11-Nov-22
fuzzy 11-Nov-22
Shuteye 11-Nov-22
blackbear62 12-Nov-22
timex 12-Nov-22
Owl 12-Nov-22
spike78 12-Nov-22
Zbone 12-Nov-22
Sam 13-Nov-22
Sam 13-Nov-22
SBH 13-Nov-22
Sam 13-Nov-22
RK 13-Nov-22
Zbone 13-Nov-22
timex 14-Nov-22
fishnride 14-Nov-22
Mule Power 14-Nov-22
Z Barebow 14-Nov-22
blackbear62 14-Nov-22
From: blackbear62
10-Nov-22
Planning on getting a new pup in the next 1 - 2 years. Thinking on getting another lab. Since near retirement would also like to train new pup on blood tra tracking for friend and family. Not looking at spending big bucks on a dog maybe $400-600. What breed do you use or have you used?

From: Beendare
10-Nov-22
One of my Canadian guides had a Lab tracking dog- worthless.

BesidesHounds which are a PITA, I think the little terrier breeds, wirehair dachshund or other small nose to the ground breed seems to be the go to. Bird dogs and retrievers are typically head up dogs. I think you want a head down nose to the ground dog.

I would look for parents that are good trackers …more so than the breed.

From: fdp
10-Nov-22
One of the best deer tracking dogs I ever saw was a Jack Russell. Roy Hindes in South Texas probably has the best in the United States.

10-Nov-22
I'd look into the german versatile breeds. I have a deutsch drahthaar that I'm currently training on blood, as well as upland and waterfowl. More $, but they're 3 or 4 dogs in one if you invest your time into training them.

From: W
10-Nov-22
My camp neighbor has a Bavarian Mountain Hound. We put him on a doe yesterday. He did great.

From: drycreek
10-Nov-22

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I might be prejudiced but the JRT is what I would get. Sarge has found every deer I put him on and a bunch of hogs too. He found most of the hogs the next morning because we don’t track big boars at night.

From: JTreeman
10-Nov-22

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If I could kill enough or train better/consistently this little guy would be an absolute killer. He is just OK as is, but fun to have along.

—jim

From: Catscratch
10-Nov-22
drycreek is he winking at us, or was that the results of a night track on a big hog.?

From: midwest
10-Nov-22

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This is a good old thread on blood tracking dogs.

From: blackbear62
10-Nov-22
Thanks guys for taking the time to help out. Mark

From: drycreek
10-Nov-22

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Cat, he’s one eyed. That is a result of diabetes. In a matter of two weeks time he went completely blind, I had to put him on a leash to take him out to pee. He had his cataracts removed and lenses put in but the right eye kept rejecting it and the ophthalmologist said the eye needed to be removed. It got so badly infected I thought we would lose him but one day it just started getting better and in a matter of days the infection was gone. He’s 13 years old now, and slowly going blind in the other eye but he can still track me wherever I go in the house ! I’m sure he can still find a deer but since I’m old and decrepit, and no longer bowhunt, I don’t track them anymore. If I can’t drive something to ‘em, I leave ‘em alone !

From: Catscratch
10-Nov-22
Sounds like a loving family for him! Way to go!

From: Zbone
10-Nov-22

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Photo taken today... This is Elsa, she is a 5-year old "Teckel", from German bloodlines, specifically developed for bloodtrailing wounded game... When a chance, will explain a little background...

From: Scott/IL
10-Nov-22
The high power tracking team around my area uses labs. I’ve seen them work a couple times and they are certainly impressive.

From: timex
10-Nov-22

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Say hello to miss Lucy
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Lucy's sire is a professional deer tracking hound
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Lucy's sire is a professional deer tracking hound
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She's already showing great interest and desire at 13 weeks old
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She's already showing great interest and desire at 13 weeks old
I'm no expert on the subject but here's my opinion. Go to the liver shot deer thread and look at the pic of the professional trackers dog. It's a bloodhound. Will other breads track deer absolutely. Will other breeds than a beagle run a rabbit you bet. Do police use breads other than German shepherds,sure. Dobermans aren't the only guard dogs. And I'm sure some use something other than retrievers to fetch ducks & geese. But if you REALLY WANT THE BEST. I'd recommend a dog breed that's specificly bred for the intended task.

I know some of the little terrier or doxen type dogs are great trackers but dogs I have to worry about stepping on just aren't my thing.... I had 2 Chesapeake bay retrievers that found plenty of deer. I've wanted a deer tracking dog for quite a while. I rarely waterfowl hunt these days so this is my choice of a deer tracking dog.

From: drycreek
10-Nov-22
Lucy is a cutie !

From: Zbone
10-Nov-22

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blackbear62 - It's all about bloodline pedigree and training.... If you're interested in a bloodline of smaller tracker and have a year or more to wait, may want to contact the breeder of the Teckels, I'd heard she had a waiting list, although I personally never spoke with her but I do have her contact info... My Teckel is from that bloodline and I got Elsa at 8-weeks old from a fellow bowhunter over on a traditional site named Shaun and his friend Ryan Rothhaar who had the sire Oskar... Those two got their dogs together and had a litter of pups, and I was fortunate enough to get the last pup from the litter of 4... I believe it was the only litter those two produced...

Here's a link from over on the LeatherWall of Ryan talking about his tracking Teckel Oskar:

https://leatherwall.bowsite.com/TF/lw/thread2.cfm?threadid=226921&category=88#3047623

"This IS NOT your Grandma's doxie! Our Oskar is 100% a working dog - he has extreme prey drive - it is bred into him - and he NEEDS to hunt. We have been dog people all our lives and Oskar is a new level of animal for us. Amazing. This bloodline is not for everyone - this is a dog you have to use and work with or he will get bored fast. If you are willing to put in the time and effort, though, these dogs can be something really special. Oskar turned 2 last month and in his first 2 deer seasons he found 19 deer. We are planning to take the German blood tracking test next spring and if there is an issue it will be handler related, not dog related."

Here's a link to a recovery of a nice buck my pup's mother found for Ryan's dad Roger:

https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=77936.60

I've haven't had my Teckel bred yet, but if you have time to wait, I'm planning on retiring this spring and probably having her bred sometime late next year... I just need to find the right stud dog...

From: spike78
11-Nov-22
Lucy looks mighty expensive!

From: olebuck
11-Nov-22
i have a german Jagd Terrier that is i trained to track deer. she does a great job and has proven herself very reliable and if the deer is dead she will find it. i have tracked gut shot deer miles after the hunters pushed them. a good game recovery dog is priceless... i use a gamin Alpha dog traning / GPS collar, i highly recommend this!

From: GhostBird
11-Nov-22
African PHs seem to like Jack Russels from my experience.

From: timex
11-Nov-22
Lucy was not that expensive $600.00 AKC registered shots & wormed. The drive from VA to Georgia added to the cost but I enjoy a road trip every now & then.

From: fuzzy
11-Nov-22
Breed isn't that important. Traceability, calm demeanor and intelligence are. It occurs to me that I'd never be a good tracking dog.

From: Shuteye
11-Nov-22
I have had excellent experience with beagles tracking deer. I had one that neighbors would borrow from time to time. He could find the deer very quickly. When not tracking deer they are great for rabbit hunting too. The last one I had would tree squirrels and would watch them go from tree to tree. They will also jump turkeys out of the thick stuff.

From: blackbear62
12-Nov-22
Thanks guys. Hey Timex, did you get Lucy from a breeder? Any information you would care to pass along would be appreciated. Mark

From: timex
12-Nov-22
Lucy was not from a breeder. I found her on the fb group. Bloodhound puppies & dogs in the eastern states. The bitch was just a family dog but the sire is a proven tracking dog. The sire's owner has a fb page. Southern charm bloodhounds. I feel I got a good deal at $600 as most are $800 to 1k.

From: Owl
12-Nov-22
Lots of folks are using Ladner Blackmouth Curs.

From: spike78
12-Nov-22
Damn Timex that actually is very cheap! She’s a beauty hope she works out for you.

From: Zbone
12-Nov-22
Those Jack Russels are crazy though man, a person has to have a lot of patients to keep them under control.... Had a couple buddies than had one, personally would never own one, those hyper breeds take a LOT of work... BUT, there is nothing funner than a 6-pack, a laser and a Jack Russel...8^)))

From: Sam
13-Nov-22

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I’m with Zbone, hard to beat a Dachshund (Teckel) with the right bloodline, I have a 5 week old litter of 7 currently with a few not spoken for. The Sire and Grandsire come directly from Yury Yury’s Ancient Gladiator Hunting Dog Kennel in Moscow Russia.

From: Sam
13-Nov-22

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Introduced them to deer scent yesterday, they all seem to have excellent prey drive, regardless of breed this is probably the most important factor when choosing a blood tracking dog.

From: SBH
13-Nov-22
Those are some awesome looking dogs Sam.

We have a beagle that I have done some work with. Not enough I'll admit but she has a nose on her and a natural drive. She's been on a couple recoveries. I wish I would have taken more time with her when she was younger. She has what it takes but she has a tendency to lose focus in areas with lots of deer or at a bear bait where many animals are coming through. Hard to know for sure if she is on the right one. She has her own opinion on what we should be doing at times......

From: Sam
13-Nov-22
Thanks Matt, beagles are great trackers, just tough to slow them dow, work with the dog on lead a bit. Don’t get discouraged about the dogs age, I didn’t train my first Dachshund until she was two, she took right to it and became an incredibly competent tracker, she actually made me look like I knew what I was doing.

From: RK
13-Nov-22
Many breeds make great trackers. Just remember unless you are hunting 9 months a year your tracking dog will be more pet than a tool. We always used Labs, with great results, and in fact I’m picking up my next lab puppy in December.

She will get some learning time in this season by watching the other labs track and will start going on some short tracks.

Let the games begin!!

From: Zbone
13-Nov-22
Good looking pups Sam, thanks for sharing...

Really like the black and tan second from the left in the line up photo, would make a good looking brace with my dog...8^)

Curious the mother and father's colors, and I assume they are both standard size smooth hairs?

From: timex
14-Nov-22

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So far so good with Lucy. I've been taking a small piece of paper towel with deer blood and dragging it around the yard with a piece of hotdog or deer liver at the end and she's nose to the ground straight to it she's the first hound I've ever owned and is a little skittesh compared to the retrievers I've owned and she loves deer feet. She keeps dragging them into the house. My wife is not happy about that

From: fishnride
14-Nov-22

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Wally. Beagle Terrier
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Wally. Beagle Terrier
This is Wally. Unfortunately he passed away this year at 12 but what he could do was amazing. He was a beagle/fox terrier mix. He was impressive. At 2 years old he could follow only 3 ounces of blood dripped over a quarter mile! As soon as I said the words “track em up” that dudes nose would hit the ground. Cool thing to consider about beagle mixes is that they sound off based on how hot the trail is. If he was off lead I could tell when he was close just from the excitement in his yip’s on the track and if it got easy for him he would automatically switch to air scent and cover ground fast. If he found one he would beagle bawl a sound that he only made when finding something. I don’t think you can teach that. It was cool to see

From: Mule Power
14-Nov-22
Beagles are incredible trackers. Basically a small hound. Easy to train and they make great pets too.

There’s a guy near me that tracks deer for lots of people. He has a German Shorthair. I find them to be great trackers too but they’re too hyper for me as a pet.

From: Z Barebow
14-Nov-22
Probably not in the price range, but take a look at Deutscher Wachtelhund. ( German Spaniel)

From: blackbear62
14-Nov-22
Thanks for the replies guys. Have been spending time looking at recommdations. Mark

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