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How do y'all think it will pan out?

I’m surrounded by the Deep Blue Sea, and I know plenty of people who would take just about anybody with a pulse and a normal EEG over Biden…

As long as it ain’t Trump. Or anyone who backs him.

Once every 4 years, I have an opportunity to cast One vote that might Matter. Republican Primary.

As a life-long Indie voter turned registered Republican, I refuse to waste my Once Every Four Years Meaningful Vote on anyone I would not leave alone in a room with my mom, wife, sister, niece, or daughter, if I had one…

Was he a better president than what we have now? of course.

I get a kick out of the tin foil comments directed at the Trump supporters, i got to wonder, what part of highest inflation in 40 yrs...high gas prices....woke mentality, and all the nonsense do these people not understand?...if anyone is wearing a tin foil hat, it surely must be those supporting this democrat nonsense.

Like him or hate him.....Ya gotta admit Trump would be far better than what we currently have.

Good luck, Robb

" I'll vote constitution party or libertarian like last election."

Talk about tin hat supporters and then vote libertarian? That is without question stupidity on display. Your vote counted for N O T H I N G! To come on Bowsite and spew hatred for your percieved enemy isn't Christlike for the Christian you profess to be. Dude, repent. Praying for Donald Trump like Nancy Pelosi does isn't a commendable thing, it speaks of self-righteousness.

Lets face it....We now have a man that sometimes struggles to make a understandable speech. I knew he'd be a disaster, yet people still voted for him. I can't figure it, just like i cannot fathom how fetterman won here in PA ?....Right now this country is being run by Big city, populated liberal nonsense....That is where most of this stuff is coming from.

Not sure what we can do about that at this point, but i'm afraid Trump isn't it. I would wholeheartedly support his policies, i just think with all the mudslinging, and media bashing, and all the stuff the democrats keep trying to bust him with, he just won't win.

It is going to be hard to repair this country regardless. Vote in another democrat, and we are surely doomed.

the country is left of center and if not, enough people can be persuaded to vote that way. it takes a lot to overcome that. gas prices could be $8/gallon, a loaf of bread $10, and trump, pence, desantis, noem, etc. would still have no chance in a general election.

there may be enough voters for trump to win the nomination, but despite what some say, no one is afraid of him and he has zero chance of becoming potus again. if you're honest with yourself, you'll acknowledge his communication and ability to put together two sentences is at best, the same level as biden and fetterman.

two that come to mind that may have a chance if they could win the primary are tim scott and nikki haley.

"he just won't win" = the half empty glass He beat Hillary = the glass half full His Presidency shook up the business as usual in Washington = full glass overflowing

It was the deep state at risk of being dismantled that took down Nixon. Nixon won his second term in a landslide because of his efforts to reduce the size of the administrative state(aka drain the swamp to this generation). The enemy within our government who has no interest in answering to the people and thrives on strong central governmental control(the heart of socialism).

The lie is, Democrats have what is good for America in their hearts, while they line their pockets with money provided by the enemies of American values and American taxpayers.

The solution to the biggest of America's problems is an Article V, Convention of States. When the people of America apply the Constitutional remedy for tyranny it will work. Don't believe that? No surprise here. Well over half the readers of this thread cannot, off the top of their heads, name the five freedoms found in the 1ST Amemdment(Bill of Rights).

Every member of the State ought diligently to read and to study the constitution of his country, and teach the rising generation to be free. By knowing their rights, they will sooner perceive when they are violated, and be the better prepared to defend and assert them. - John Jay, first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

No, Trump will never be president again. Ever. I voted for him. Twice. And if anyone thinks the country is better now than 2019, well, as Mason said in "The Rock" I think you're a ****ing idiot. Still as mentioned, he's toxic, he's own worst enemy,... if he IS the candidate I will vote for him.

I look at this past election and compare it to the 1994 election. It was even on Nov 8. Went to bed that night knowing the repubs took the House. Woke up the next morning to hear they took the Senate as well. The NEXT day. Here we are over a week after the election, races still undecided. Why is that? Still "counting" ballots?

No, he's not....and the sooner we make him realize it, the sooner we can elect another Rep President.

More so if by some type of cosmic intervention he were to get the nomination.

The only fear being what some of the radical morons that support him might think they need to do to further his cause. Like kidnap governor's of states he can't win, try to take over government buildings and so on.

Or burn down police stations and neighborhoods, loot stores owned by hard working Americans, ambush and assassinate police officers, vandalize statues and businesses…etc, etc, etc.

Funny how it goes both ways ain’t it?!!!

Republicans need to understand that the bulk of the party IS Trump supporters.....not McConnell, Paul Ryan, Ducey, Christie or Romney supporters.....to even mention those names as being serious candidates is out of touch with reality.

If someone jumps the line and was to get the nod in a primary, the America First supporters would stay home in the general election, and they wouldn't win anyway.

Conservatives are done with the DC Uni-Party and like it or not, it's Trump's party. Your best bet is to ride the wave until he is out of politics because you won't beat his supporters.

I've voted for a few Dems in the past but they weren't leftist. If I can help it, I won't vote for a leftist or a Neocon..and those 2 I just described make up most of the 2 major parties we have in DC

Trump and or any other Republican. democratic, or Libertarian administration couldn't do one single thing differently to affect the economy or most of the other problems that we have. And to pretend otherwise is nothing but hero worship.

That ticket has the vote of all the guys on this site that have "anybody but Trump" sickness.

Last cycle I had a few thoughts come to mind. Now Ive got nothing. I could see Liz Cheney doing it. She'd never win the support - weird given policy wise almost no one was more in his camp in terms of voting record when he was president. But I just dont see any R's that seem able to either deflect the wrath or show their value beyond the noise he will make. It will be interesting.

I don't blame trump for the midterms, we were out spent by the democrats especially at the candidate level where it matters most. In addition the redistricting killed us, an analysis revealed if we had the same redistricting as 2020 we would have picked up 20 house seats. How did the republicans let that happen? The old school republicans better wake up and that includes Trump on early voting and ballot harvesting where legal. As far as young voters showing up they got played by Biden since the student loan forgiveness was clearly unconstitutional.

The economy would take care of itself

"As far as young voters showing up they got played by Biden" - Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Rush called them mush heads for a reason.

Ok let me have it! Glutton for punishment. ;-)

Why cant he just go away? I cant imagine spending?wasting the last of my years fighting like he's going to be fighting. His own daughter won't even support him this time.

No. She has an absolute pile of skeletons in her closet that the mainstream media can't wait to expose. Everyone likes her from afar....but when you live here you see the problems she will have at the national level. We need to win. Kristi won't help.

I like DeSantis/Gabbard! Sounds like a winner!

Now...if he is prosecuted and found guilty of insurrection at the Federal level (which isn't likely) then it COULD happen. It's only Liz and the Democrats because Mitch and Kevin let it be that way. Blame them.

Quit trying to promote nonsense.

Respect for the US among allies and enemies. Trade deals that benefit US citizens. Lowest unemployment in history among all categories. Record high stock market. Low interest rates. Booming housing market. Booming small business. Increased wages. Reasonable fuel prices. US energy independence. Fair tariffs on Chinese imports. Reduced federal regulations on business. Wall construction at southwest border reducing illegal immigrant invasion. Conservative federal judges and SCOTUS justices. General optimism and patriotism among the populace.

All these are good things and good conditions brought about by Trump's policies. Personally, I can tolerate a few human personality flaws to get the good this man did for the country. After all, aren't we all flawed to some degree?

So the flip side of your question "aren't we all flawed to some degree?" would be what do the "Biden haters" have against Biden?

Yeah, I guess the shutting down of XL pipeline just happened. And the Afghanistan debacle just happened. $5.75/gal diesel fuel, 8.5% yearly inflation just happened. Right? Name one thing Biden has done that hasn't turned to sh#t, or caused more trouble in the lives of the American people.

I generally liked his platform, but agree with 12yards that we can find a candidate who will drive the similar policies AND act like an adult while doing it.

fdp nailed it that most of the data points that many cite to justify Trump’s success (e.g. low unemployment/interest rates/inflation/gas prices) really having little to nothing to do with his policy decisions.

"Name one thing Biden has done that hasn't turned to sh#t, or caused more trouble in the lives of the American people." he hasn't DONE anything that has turned to dookey in my hands. I'm not crazy about the border situation. But he doesn't control inflation, high gas prices or shortages of goods and supplies any more than any other President can. UNLESS they become an Authoritarian Dictator.

Biden didn't create inflation. It's something that happens in economies. And our inflation rate is a lot better than the rates of some other major economies around the world. He doesn't create global supply issues either.

That's right!

HahahahahahahahahHhHhHaahahahahahahahahahahahah That is f’n funny

is biden any less of shit human being? is obama any less of shit human being? at the end of the day it's about policy, not personality. do you want to vote for a shit human being who advocates for policies you agree with a shit human being that advocates for policies that you disagree with. when you get to the general election, thats what its all about.

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She is liberal not leftist, that is why today's democrats dont like her.

A patriot that believes in the Constitution like her would make a great VP in my book.

Of course Trump/ Gabbard will never happen so I will settle for whoever he chooses in 2024.....

Me too.

Why would a Trump hater like me promote him in 2024?

I can't believe so many of you believe the media narrative after all that's happened.

The Dems elected a senile fool and tell you that you shouldn't vote for toxic Trump and you agree. Wow.....

If anyone here truly believes that any Republican candidate running a conservative platform besides a Trump is going to be elected president, they are insane. It’s hasn’t happened in 30 years. And, will never happen again.

There are far too many illegal votes, mail in ballots, early voting, uniformed voters, and lied to and mislead voters for a conservative president besides a Trump like candidate to ever get elected.

I keep hearing about the moderate, the fringes of either party ruling, etc…. I want to know how running a moderate campaign is the key to success. Unless you’ve been under a rock for the half century, that hasn’t happened. Is 2024 going to be different?

The sad reality is outside a populist candidate with conservative values and a conservative platform, this country will never see a conservative president again.

This country is basically divided down the middle. It’s been common knowledge that’s the case since Mitt Romney said it. And politics isn’t friendly to the common fish. Offering something that isn’t isn’t flashy and doesn’t spur support in any way by the Republican Party isn’t the answer. The media will direct bias coverage and program the average American voter to go democrat. It’s what’s been happening and what will continue to happen to any moderate Republican.

Yet all the political gurus keep saying that isn’t the case. Right along with the defeated, sold out, mundane, spineless Republican Party. How’s that going for the “conservative platform” over the last 5 elections? Not well from my seat. But, maybe your seat is different. So, tell me what I’m missing.

Basically, how is promoting the same course which has failed miserably, suddenly going to result in a different outcome?

I don’t know but, with half the votes in this country divided down the party lines, how do we support another blah, middle of the road Republican as the answer? It ain’t worked for a long time and it isn’t going to work in 2024 either.

I agree, Trump is hard to listen to at times. And, he maybe he is dead in the running. But, it’s the division among supposed conservatives causing this uncertainty. And, it’s your beloved Republican Party causing it. Not Trump.

"Trump running essentially guarantees the democrats will win presidency."

Sad but true.

There is not now, and there will not be a better Republican candidate than Trump, nor a more effective US President. Name a president since WWII who accomplished half as much as Trump. And, as stated elsewhere, he made it look easy. And......he did it in less than 4 years. On the other hand, it has only taken 19 months for Biden, Shumer, and Pelosi to tear it all down. I guess they're better at destruction than Trump is at construction.

Trump was fine. The nonstop attacks and inability for many to realize that dumping him for a better personality resulted in a crappy President with just as many character flaws. I like DeSantis so far but he will be villanized, impeached, and put through the wringer by the left as well. It won't change my opinion of him but obviously for many it will.

It sounds like the blue team and media won’t be the only teams trying to smear DeSantis.

Matt

Both in my estimation are far better/more ethical people than Trump, and I am surprised you think it is even a question. I don't care for either's politics, but neither seems to be nearly as despicable a person as Donald Trump.

"There is not now, and there will not be a better Republican candidate than Trump, nor a more effective US President."

God help us if that is true, because the republican party would be beyond screwed.

"I get the feeling that after the media and the Democrats put the smear machine in overdrive against DeSantis, many here will abandon him."

Trump didn't need the democrats or the media to ruin his reputation, he did a fine job all on his own. He is such a narcissist, I don't think he couldn't help himself. I doubt DeSantis would be so stupid.

The difference is that Kamala can call Biden a racist and sexual predator during a primary and and the media drops it.

The Democrat plan for winning is Orange Man Bad. I won't help them with that narrative or with Tan Man Bad if DeSantis becomes the target.

Leading upto the nomination of the Republican candidate, media coverage will purposely favor and lightly promote the Republican candidate that stands the least chance of beating the democrat nominee. In a hope the morons making up the Republican Party will vote another candidate besides the Trump like DeSantis. All while over driving anything that will smear DeSantis. So, No matter who the GOP produces, the trough fed, broke back moderate Republican voter will fall right inline and cast their losing vote. Pity partying that was the only choice they had. And we will still have another democrat president in 2024.

These occurrences aren’t a coincidence. And, it leaves many options of attack for the democrat party. Which is a well oiled, turbo charged campaign machine. Yet, in all its flaws and pathetic campaigning by the Republican Party, these failures will still be blamed on Trump.

I expect Mike Pence will be the media darling this time around. Then if he wins the primary the knives come out and in the end we chalk up another McCain, Romney cycle.

The democrats did just that in the mid-terms, and even funded the campaigns of a number of republicans who they believed their candidates would beat. Most were Trump-endorsed, and the strategy worked quite well.

You do realize you are arguing against yourself here? On second thought, I retract the question because you probably don't.

We will control the media, your work, your homes and your children, and you will follow along like good little sheep.

Big city voters, run the show. ....The breadbaskets of the world, controlled by row housing, and crime infested streets.......

Freedom? even the democrats use the word. But the realization is their kind of freedom is...your free to join our circus, but your not free to disagree, just shut up and follow along.

i think youre being extremely naive...just plain partisan... or completely dishonest yourself. neither biden nor obama are any more or less ethical than trump...the only difference is that they have not been subjected to the media colonoscopy that trump has had to endure...and they have both had an entire mainstream media complex running cover for them. trump is a boisterous ny city blowhard no doubt... but he is choirboy compared to both in terms of political lies and corruption...and they are all mother teresas compared to the clintons.

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Why put so much effort to impeach, investigate if he is not a threat?

Keep believing the media and acting like Joe grabbing, restraining, and sniffing little children against their will is not sexual harassment and pedophilia.

At least Trump is grabbing most of you adults by the p****...

Trump 24'

You won’t hear much about Trump until things start shaping up for the 2024 election. The left is making a new list and checking it twice. The new false accusations will flow free and plentiful. They’ll only hound him when he starts to interrupt their quest for power.

"Both in my estimation are far better/more ethical people than Trump, and I am surprised you think it is even a question."

The media painted Obama as a young, good looking, charismatic, fresh face, that would take the Democratic Party to great new levels. He fooled the masses with his pretty smile and smooth talk. But make no mistake, he’s a master at hiding his evil side when it comes to being the swamp master.

If Trump is as big of a criminal as people are being led to believe, why would he even be qualified to run for president again? Supposedly he’s a traitor, a rapist, killed people and democracy on J6, heck, I’m surprised they haven’t accused him of hiring Paul Pelosi attacker. Yet there is currently no proof of anything that disqualifies him from potentially becoming the president of the United States again. So how does that work?

Trump has a team of lawyers throwing every possible delay at every investigation into his business. (6 years and Congress *still* doesn't have his tax returns.) That's all going to end soon.

Biden can’t handle one semi critical question without getting ugly.

It was a rant for sure. I didn't provide a link or cite a source so take it or leave it for what it's worth, a grain of salt type of thing. Anyway, nice one I got a chuckle!

Good luck this season.

He said 10,000 jobs lost. It was actually 11,000. But who’s counting. All you have to do is type in Keystone job losses.

Oh…well that’s different. My bad!

any job lost when the keystone pipeline was shut down was absolutely under bidens direct control. any job lost as a result of a vaccine mandate was absolutely under bidens direct control.

Most people knew what would happen when the pipeline was shut down..not hard to figure out.

No, you can't blame everything on Biden but regardless of what the media says Biden has done a good job carrying on the leftist agenda. Too bad the Republicans ain't got a backbone. Unfortunately, somebody votes for these leftist and Neocons.

If it comes down to the two of them after Primaries, (or, Trump vs some other Dem Puppet), and you don't vote, you're basically enabling more of the same crap we are seeing right now, to get worse and worse.

That being said, it's still a Free Country (maybe for a little while longer)?

At the expense of biden being re-elected. That's what happened the first time in 2020...

Is this serious? I understand people liking him as a candidate, but a claim that he is favored by the gods is blowing my mind.

My sincere hope is there will be a leading Repub. candidate with Trump's values and minus his uncontrolled mouth. The man doesn't know when to shut up..plain and simple.

How many Gods have you got going these days. Multi Gods is unique in this era

The entire leftwing and media lies are now known to be lies everyone of them and still they continue to spew them.

President Trump is a threat to the luxury way of life in Washington and politicians will do whatever they have to in order to keep it. Liz channey, aka mother Teresa, came to Washington with a net worth of 6 million, after a short stay she left with a net worth of roughly 44 million. How is that possible with a salary of 180 k roughly. Still waiting for her to run for president to save the country lol.

I guess if you don't like a strong economy, low inflation, strong foreign policy and military, low energy costs and the nato countries paying their own way along with a strong southern border then by all means vote for traitor Joe , he's doing a bang up job.

Question from the media, Presdinet Trump, did a Russian hooker pee on you? President Trump answer , no, next question. Media, president Trump, did you get peed on by two Russian hookers? president Trump , no, next question. Media, President Trump, are you sure you didn't get peed on by Russian hookers?

Biden presser, Mr President, what's your favorite ice cream? Traitor Joe, chocolate chip , Mmmm good. Media, laughter

If America wants a president who will make jokes after six people are murdered and talk about his ice cream fetish , high inflation, unsecured borders and weak military you got it with Traitor Joe.

Trump is the front runner and if he's the nominee I will gladly vote for him again , I'm just sorry he and desantis can't get together and run as a team. I think it would be a wise move for desantis , that would give him a 12 year run and America would be a better place.

So please, for all the crying about President Trump lets major in the major issues and not the minor issues. Personally I liked it when he call the media what they are, fake news. The damage that Obamas stooges are doing to the country may be unrepairable, I prey not and only time will tell but China is surely taking advantage. One last thing, does anyone wonder why Traitor Joe is always a day late with weapons for Ukraine? When Russia's 40 mile long convoy was lined up and out of gas wouldn't it have been great for Ukraine to get a few Jets and some artillery? The video tapes the Russians and China have with Joe and hunter must be dooosies.

They fired, Police, Military, Nurses, all because they wouldn’t submit to the “Man” and get the jab.

Then they kept the entire economy closed for 18 longer than we commoners knew was necessary. ( stifling the supply side of the economy) And we the people repeatedly stated the closures should end. But they of course knew better.

Only when it was apparent open revolt was coming did King Biden open the economy. Too late.

Then after crushing the supply side. He Janet Yelen and Jerome poured gas on the economy. Printing trillions and giving it to every special interest group they had.

This turbo charged demand when the supply was gone. INFLATION of course those experts then say it’s transitory. When anyone that lived through the 70s knew better.

Now here we are. Stagnation. Banks failing. And guess who has the answers once again.

Print money and bail out the billions in terrible amateur investments in green pie in the sky energy fairy tails, And bonds when interest rates were known to be skyrocketing.

Some how many forget already the crap show after crap show this Biden Regime has created. Let’s remember who put us where we are.

More divisive than ever

In a proxy war with Russia and China

Border wide open

Economy hanging on by a thread in spite of their incompetence

Another 2nd amendment assault to fix school shootings which this moral slide all started way back with implementing the great society. The collapse of the family. Replaced with a government nanny to take care of us.

Sal Alinsky would be proud of the lefts “progress“

11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

January 6th???

Really? Must tell Zeus, Hera, Athena, Apollo, and Hermes that. I'm sure Odin, Thor and Freya will be amused as well.

What else don't they teach in schools?

We are doomed. We are. The average voter can’t pick a candidate based on who they think is best. We have to pick the candidates they offer. And, we all wander why things never change.

I’ll vote for any president that doesn’t align and worship their party. Trump is that man. While his antics and childish ego is hard to swallow sometimes, his intent to represent the American people is real. I’ll take it and smile.

Throughout history, it’s always been the perceived fanatic that offered what was needed to fix the ailment of a society. In their time, they’ve all been shunned by their peers for not conforming to the accepted norm. And, most people abide by that feeling. To dense with pride and ego themselves to see the “norm” is what caused the ailment in the first place.

There isn’t a better candidate on earth right now, for the POTUS then Donald Trump. Not one. There are certainly more qualified and capable people. But, not one of them possess the ability to throw caution to the wind, in the name of its citizenship, like Donald Trump. Not one.

I’ll vote for him in earnest. I’ll take the stupid antics when tact is required. I’ll shake my head at his ego when it clouds his accomplishments. All the time knowing it’s the best thing we could hope for. Anything that stops these two parties from further advancing their self aligned narrative and goals is a victory. Because the last thing this country needs is more party politics.

And THAT is what scares the piss out of me with this guy. I want a cautious, mature president, not an impulsive spoiled child. Biden may be inept, but he doesn't throw tantrums.

NeverTrump and proud of it.

The president isn’t a dictator. He’s the referee. He’s our only defense to party politics. If you want a party politician for president then vote for the same crap that’s put us here. If you want a guy that’ll speak out against that bullshit, then vote trump. Regardless of his tone, his intent is the driver. I’ll take it. And, as an outspoken libertarian you should too. If your delicate feelings will let you.

Put on your big boy pants. Toughen up that skin. Or, keep following the train down the endless tunnel. It’s your choice. But, no established politician is going to do what’s best for America. That’s been proven time again. Solely based on the party controlling them. Does that sound good for the average American? It does if you are an illegal immigrant or someone who lives off the system. But, it’s the last thing a working American needs.

What scares me? That Trump always needs to be 'the smartest guy in the room' - even if it means firing every advisor who is smarter than him and only taking advice from second-rate boot lickers. His (and probably your) distrust of every government worker trying to keep things running.

I'm a libertarian, but not an anarchist.

Well it’s pretty obvious when one guy isn’t even running.

IMO they will do ANYTHING to stop Trump 2024 .... anything ..... and if means cheating they'll do that absolutely

"How many Gods have you got going these days. Multi Gods is unique in this era"

None, actually. As someone who isn't religious, I don't really seem to see much difference between any god or multi gods. I probably went with the plural because it had me thinking about ancient history when leaders were considered to be gods?

What I have a hard time believing is that there are still people that believe that our political candidates are somehow linked to a god? I remember learning about that kind of mentality in history, but assumed it was a thing of the past.

The flaw in that reasoning is assuming that 'the right' outnumbers and outvotes all others. Don't need to cheat if you have the majority.

Dana certainly has never been accused of being the smartest person in the room. Even if she is the only person in the room.

Maybe that is why it bothers her so much.

Come back when you grow up.

Yep, according to plan and exactly what the Democrats want.

This may be just the first shoe to drop. Now that there is one indictment against Trump, others may be emboldened to advance the cases relating to the Georgia election interference, Mar-A-Lago/obstruction case, and the DOJ 2020 election/Jan. 6 allegations.

The writing on the wall could not be more clear that the Republican party needs to cut and run from Trump if we hope to have any chance in 2024.

LOL!!!!! Biden is senile and nobody thinks he is calling the shots or "masterminded" anything. Biden is a figure head - others are calling the shots. Trump leading in the polls they gotta do something...they are petrified of the guy for some reason.

Okey dokey, then.

Difference is I know CO politics are F'ed up and I certainly don't bitch and moan about the national politicians that want to keep or country from going hard left or vote for leftist. FYI...Dana your IQ probably lower than Biden's but similar probably why you vote for him.

This country will change from the grass roots. Politicians are just a reflection of our culture. Democrat or Republican..they both have done a great job at dismantling our Constitution and Liberties..same end result just coming from different angles.

Best thing the government, Federal or Sate, could ever do is get out of the private sector...Government should stick to the bare basics.

Said the guy from the conservative bastion of Colorado - which is just a few seats in the House and Senate away from having a democratic supermajority.

But at least you have something in common with Trump - you are both Johns.

Lol! You bowlibs thought that Trump was a super criminal. Yet all you have is a donation to a hooker with a vengeance! And THAT is even being questioned as a legitimate reason to cuff him?! Face it, you’re clamoring for the bread crumbs of criminal activity. All the while your vote for china joe is shrouded in more criminal activity than the MS 13 gangsters and their violent background.

Be careful what you wish for!

Biden, inc took money for something from the Communist Chinese.

Where do your loyalties stand??

This is 100% correct

It's you guys who are inconsistent. I have no problem with Trump screwing a hooker, or ten hookers, it's lying about it that bothers me. But apparently 'honesty' is no longer a conservative, Christian value.

"If a person wants to provide a service for pay, then I'm for it. "

So the *legality* of it doesn't bother you? So much for the "law-and-order" brand of conservatism. * On the same trash heap as 'fiscal' conservatism. What's left to you, besides religious fundamentalism and idol worship?

* I may disagree with the law, but it IS the law. And having a Chief Executive who thinks he is above the law is a recipe for trouble.

As for 'being for big government', the GOP - like the Dems - has long since moved on from 'small government.' The only difference between them is, who gets taxed how much, and where does the money get spent?

Robert Ringer long ago coined the term 'Demopublicans' to describe the phenomenon. But that was back when fiscal policy mattered more than social.

But...

" family values" right?!

Shit I'd rather have one of them transgenders read to my kids than most of you guys.... at least they arent hypocrites

I would urge everyone to write call text your Fed representatives and demand they make a statement where they stand on this legal action or illegal, indictment or over reach and abuse and get them on record.

Trump wasn’t indicted by Bragg. He was indicted by a grand jury of Americans through a constitutional process that WE the people set up. Law and order party my a$$. Hypocrite party more like it. Trumps justice department and AG had 4 years to charge Hillary, Clapper, and Comey. Didn’t happen. That’s because they don’t have evidence to convict for any of the accusations. Lock Her Up, Lock Her Up. Some of you remember those words coming out of your mouth on here and at Trump rallies. Hypocrites every single one of you. You and Trump are a danger to democracy.

Trump attacked the foundation of Democracy. He lost north of 60 court cases, recounts by right wing hack organizations that prove no fraud, and now Fox News has been shown to be a fake and Dominion is about to be vindicated and Trump still claims the election was stolen and some of you idiots still believe it. It’s a damn cult.

Low information voters lol. The epitome of low information voters are right wing nuts who know who they will vote for in a national general election until the day they die where they don’t even know the candidate. They will vote R no matter what forever for candidates they don’t even know yet. Then have the balls to call others low information voters. Dana obviously is waiting to see the candidates before he decides. He just knows he doesn’t like Trump. It’s Trumpers that are THE OG low information voters. It’s freaking mindless.

Trumpers got excuses for everything. They do not hold themselves accountable for the very things they blast others for. If you’re a Trumper today I seriously question your IQ, motivation, and commitment to our Republic and Constitution. Trump stirred up his cult followers and convinced the mindless to attack our capital in the middle of a constitutional process for goodness sake. He’s no patriot and following him off the cliff is not patriotic. Full stop.

Trump spent more $$$ and handed out more $$$ (socialism) than any president in history. He lost more jobs than any president in my lifetime. Trump was at the wheel when the economy was shutdown. That caused inflation. That’s what caused gas prices to rise. Yet you genius just keep getting your opinions handed to you by news that’s way more wrong/fake than the MSM news you rail against. I personally don’t blame trump for inflation or higher gas prices. We were in a pandemic and he had no choice He had to do something in a national emergency. I give Trump credit for quick reaction to save lives from Covid. Not you Trumpers. You blame anyone but your demagogue. Fauci had no power to make policy decisions. He was an advisor and you blame him instead of Trump. That’s a special kind of logic.

I voted for Biden. I am liberal. I will not vote for Biden again due to the Afghan withdrawal, his declining mental state, and weak leadership. However, if Trump is in the general election I will vote against him. He and his mindless followers (that includes some of you) are a direct threat to democracy and the constitution. The constitution should come before any candidate and as long as we follow the path laid out within we will be fine. January 6th insurrection was not patriotic nor are they patriots. They were mindless followers of a mentally deranged sociopath. What they did hangs around the neck of Trump forever and in our history. History will not favor Trump…mark my words. He will not ever be elected again and patriots who love our country and constitution first will ensure he doesn’t.

In the word of ole Merle. “If you don’t love it then leave it”

By the way, what happened to those who don’t want politics mixed with their archery? You were blasting anyone (Stix) who started a thread against Trump. Oh I get it. We don’t want politics except for the people and policies we like. Look who went Woke. What a bunch of hypocrites…Pat, Lou, you know who you are. I guess it makes sense because they prove over and over they are hypocrites.

Bill clinton was impeached by the house of representatives. It wasn't okay that he lied.

You're a hypocrite and a liar

Anyone with clearance will tell you Hillary should have been fired and arrested for what she did. She wasn't because her name is Clinton, and ultimately politicians scratch each other's back.

*lying* by an official should bother anyone regardless of political affiliation.

The Big Lie was the false Iraq War that cost thousands of military lives and disablement and George Walker Bush and cronies still walked free , LBJ, Clinton and Obama where pros at lying.

Ryan L Hrabe from Spring Hill , KS

bullshit...who do you think brought the case to the grand jury? grand juries dont empanel themselves and theres a reason why a new york state judge said a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.

“Grand jury: a jury, typically twenty-three people, selected to examine the validity of an accusation before trial.”

Before you go there, please note that grand jurors are selected from the same pool as trial jurors.

You mean, right after you change the 1st amendment to include censorship of everything the left disagrees with. As well as changing the 2nd in an effort to ban the guns that we are capable of owning to protect our selves from a corrupt government?

That’s the constitution you’re referring to; correct?

“January 6th insurrection was not patriotic nor are they patriots. “

Does that statement also include Mr. Ray Epps? For some reason, the videos showing his complicity, aren’t near as important as those that show Jacob Chansley peacefully wandering the Capitol and cajoling with the Capitol police. 4 years in jail for one of them, and a free pass to incite violence for the other.

Y’all got no room to use the word ‘hypocrisy’ in any of your rants!

Yes, it involves anyone participating directly or indirectly with January 6th. 4 years isn’t enough IMO. You break the law you get your day in court as per to constitution. I don’t care your party, power, social, or political status.

direct answer...there would be no indictment. having said that...the district attorney still has to bring it to them and the reason for the ham sandwich quote is because only the prosecution gets to make their case in front of the grand jury. its pretty low bar...especially in ny. the grand jury doesnt know the law, therefore they can be convinced of pretty much anything when only one side is heard.

Hey whatever floats your ark, I dont kink shame

I know how grand juries work and they only get to hear one side. Agreed that grand juries rarely don’t indict. However, Trump will get his day in court and is innocent until proven guilty. He is not above the law.

then you also know that the notion that this isnt alvin braggs doing is bullshit. this isnt about trump having his day in court, its about the optics of an opposing presidential candidate being indicted...maybe even being perp walked. like trump or not...anyone with half a brain knows that if trump wasnt running...this wouldnt be happening.

Nancy Pelosi tweeted he could go to court and prove his innocence.THATS NOT HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.SMFH.

sadly thats exactly how its supposed to be if you are a leftist bringing charges against a republican.

The same thing your are saying was said about those who were arrested for January 6 until they were convicted by a jury of their peers for sedition. Ooops…that’s a big one.

Trump has more $$$ and legal resources than just about anyone in the U.S. if he’s innocent and there’s no evidence then wait and see what happens. If Trump innocent and this is a conspiracy then the NY DA is committing professional suicide.

Also he admitted to paying his lawyer 130k to reimburse him for paying 130k to daniels

yes, it was the grand jury that indicted...but saying the grand jury made the decision to bring a case against trump makes as much sense as saying that a gun made the decision to murder someone...coincidentally thats another argument that leftists like to make. in this case, the grand jury is the gun and bragg pulled the trigger.

Then you agree, Epps needs to be brought in for questioning and held accountable, and jailed for inciting violence? Yes or no?

Conspiracy theory of mine, was the indictment pushed back to cover the news that the cases against all the seditionists is falling part due to the “directors cut” footage of Jan 6 and the Judge and Prosecutor colluding to hide exculpatory evidence?

Yes if he committed a crime then arrest him and put him on trial. However, with that logic then Trump incited the riot too and should go to jail. IMO Trump didn’t incite a riot while speaking at that rally any more than any other R or D at a rally.

Listen to yourself 70. +800 people have been charged, many convicted or plead guilty, and you want to blame it all on some guy the conspiracy theorist think worked for the FBI to start the riots. Say that out loud and record it and play it back to yourself.

January 6th insurrectionist are personally responsible for their own actions. Are they not? They thought they were righteous and they have a lot of hours to think about it in jail. Most of them are changing their tune and figuring out that they were lied to. The election was not stolen…the BIG lie.

I’m definitely not the only one that needs to listen to himself. Being an admitted liberal is one thing, but ignoring the elephant in the room in an effort to make yourself sound unbiased is beyond my level of understanding.

I’m not trying to justify those that made poor choices, and I’m certainly not “blaming it all on him”. I don’t care who he works for. I’m just trying to figure out why he hasn’t been scooped up by the J6 committee and questioned for HIS undeniable irresponsible own actions. Trump never told that crowd to “go inside” the building. Epps did. If you think there is a difference between Trumps words and Epps words, you’ve obviously got it backwards. Compared to the arrest of some, Epps is guilty of a higher level of rhetoric and criminal conduct.

I have answered this question many times in various forms. Yes, if they committed a crime then charge them and let them be judged by a jury of their peers. Barr had 4 years to do just that and didn’t.

70lbs- Mr. Epps did testify under oath for the January 6th committee. He stated that he did not work for the government. You can read the transcript of his testimony if you like. They are publicly available. See link. You can start on page 27 if you want to get to the meat of it.

Some things and bow site handles never change.

I saw all I needed to see on the taped evidence. Again, I don’t care who he works for. I’m sure a majority of the people that were put in jail didn’t work for the government either. He’s on tape trying to convince people to go inside. The fact that he was wearing a MAGA hat, makes me wonder how many of the “insurrectionists” were actually leftist extremists posing as Trump supporters. But I’m sure you have the non-conspiratorial evidence to dispute that possibility as well.

Epps was asked and he discusses that very thing under oath in the transcript. You get his exact words and context. Of course you don’t want to know about it. That’s about par for the course. I will never understand willful ignorance.

“But I’m sure you have the non-conspiratorial evidence to dispute that possibility as well.”

Do you have any evidence that there were multiple anti-Trumpers inciting the riot? How many were there exactly? Mr Epps was former oath keeper and a Trump supporter. I know of one anti-Trumper arrested at the capitol on January 6th. Your intuition doesn’t mean squat when it comes to the facts. Facts about Mr. Epps and his intent/actions are publicly available on your phone…in your hand…right now.

Seriously 70lbs, you’re headed down a dead end.

We could just clear all this Trump stuff up by having Trump testify at a Committee made up of Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert and a couple pro Trump Democrats and if he says he's clean and the Committee agrees, case closed. Probably wouldn't convince many who think otherwise.

Epps may just be a good ol' boy who went there to protest and keep people safe but his interview with the J6 Committee doesn't, and shouldn't, really hold much weight.

Are there no sane people left?....On one hand we have Hunter Biden, and ole Joe...not exactly pure as the driven snow now are they?....yet they have supporters...lol...good grief all a sane person can do is laugh. You support Biden and the democrats?...yea i'm laughing at you, your nutty, and its funny...serious but funny.

Then the whole Trump business, good grief....He paid a prostitute...not exactly pure as the driven snow either. But looking at our Gov't who is?...certainly not the democrats ?

We support gay marriage, and transgenders, and killing baby's....but you can't pay a prostitute for sex.....good grief, is one worse or better than the other?....

I'll tell you what the problem is.....while all the people bicker who is greatest and best in Babylon, there is a day coming when the truth and right will prevail. I'd start being more concerned with that.

China Military spending 237,000,000,000 billion/yr, or about 167.00 dollars per human that lives there, per year.

China can throw more people at us... But they definitely do not have the investment we do in the military.

And they are number 2 in military spending on earth behind us. No one else remotely comes close to us in military investment per year. We have the best trained and equipped military the earth has ever seen or known, and it's not really close.

Doesnt mean we cant lose in a conflict, we most certainly can. I like our chances though.

But yeah... Cold war with China, sure. Should we devest and keep working to make as much as possible here or with allies, absolutely.

Back to regularly scheduled programming.

Spike- do you think before you post. It was the Trumpers that claimed Epps was a government agent plant. Do you not see any benefit to asking Epps if he ever worked for the government under oath? Look 6” past your nose.

“We had the best military on earth and now it is a Woke joke.”

In the span of 2 years with the same general funding/members and 99% of the same command structure our military is now a joke because of Biden, diversity and inclusion, and some dumb “woke” stuff. LMAO Spike. How can anyone take you seriously when nearly every post of yours is hyperbole. Most people grow out of that after high school.

Democrats would rather make money from our involvement in foreign wars, rather than spend all that money on funding our own defense.

Rocky- would you like to rephrase your statement?

You mean, keep his big mouth shut and allow the left to continue their selfish nonsense and destruction of America in the name of power and control?

It amazes me how many people would prefer the wizard to stay behind the curtain. The cowardly lions, heartless tinmen, and brainless scarecrows, are much happier when they are told what to believe, rather than be forced to think for themselves.

Not everyone has meaningless job paid by tax incentives. Most Americans have to obtain employment in a competitive market.

By the way how do you cherry pick 20 years of data? Do you have any data on these “100 high level officers” that were forced to leave or are you just making stuff up AGAIN.

With two handles you can at least answer your own questions and back your own BS up LMAO. Hey, you can even hide your own Easter eggs this year. $100 says you don’t find them all.

probably the same source that spilled the beans about the nashville shooter dry run.

That depends. Do you believe it was an armed ( not people carrying flags) insurrection and multiple people were killed that day? That’s what CNN, MSNBC, etc, are trying to convince me of. So which is it? Where does the truth lie? In video tapes or news reports? The teachers union did more damage to the Wisconsin state Capitol during the Scott Walker recall, than the insurrectionists did to the US Capitol during J6.

I remember trump acting immature at times. But, I don’t remember trump starting any drama. That’s just me. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Cause and affect. Some people are capable of distinguishing the two. Sone men don’t possess the fortitude to distinguish the two. It’s life. And, It’s a major problem plaguing this country.

See Timex picture above.

“Cause and affect. Some people are capable of distinguishing the two. Sone men don’t possess the fortitude to distinguish the two. It’s life. And, It’s a major problem plaguing this country.“

Don’t be so hard on yourself. Again…see Timex picture above.

Fair enough. Again I ask, how many people died that day, and how many guns were used during their ‘insurrection’?

Here’s my take. Did they get out of hand and embarrass the conservative voter base? Yes! Did they pose a threat to a police force that was told to stand down? Yes! Did they kill multiple police officers while one police officer felt the need to shoot an unarmed woman? No! Did they create more damage to the Capitol than the damage inflicted on businesses and federal buildings during the Democrat supported George Floyd protests? No! Did Trump tell them to go in and act like idiots? No! And if he did, there is no evidence of it. He hasn’t been found guilty of anything yet, and it’s doubtful this new charade will amount to anything more than temper tantrum from the folks that hate him.

“Unfortunately the mountain of drama associated with the man is just more than most could stand.”

Where did the drama originate? The fake dossier, the fake impeachment, the fake claims of infidelity to his wife, the claim that his classified documents were any different or any more damaging to the country than previous presidents? Or perhaps the fake outrage of electing a “reality show host” as a president? People say his narcissism is toxic. So what? Obama was a smooth talking, charismatic, anointed one, that did absolutely nothing to bring the racial differences of this county to anything less than worse than it is today.

You might think I’m drinking the Kool-aide, but you’ll never convince me that you don’t know what it tastes like as well.

Just because the bandwagon is full of people that are afraid of losing, you do yourself a disservice by jumping on with them!

Fathead openly talks about his gay son and how acceptable it is. Then uses gay accusations as a cut down. What a role model.

I guarantee my son would never bring up someone’s family to attack or put them down. He’s a bigger man than you WV.

Lol! What’s your favorite flavor Timex? I personally like the cherry, but grape works in a pinch!

Are there any men left?

self destructed? no president in my lifetime has ever been attacked so falsely...so viciously...and so relentlessly. saying that trump self destructed is like saying the world trade center self destructed.

“Why not post yer full name lil guy. Dont be skeered just follow the rules.”

Says the guy that’s had over 50 handles and two right now without his real name. Not a single one of your +50 handles (for which you were woked for not following the rules) had your name.

Talk about red flag. Seriously.

This may be the most hypocritical post I've ever seen on Bowsite.

Liar. Your name isn't G. Drake, and you aren't from Kentucky. You are Shawn Magyar from Tennessee, the same guy who has been banned dozens of times, only to return under a different fake registration. Now, you are posting under 2 fake registrations (C Mag and saXton). I always thought honesty and honor were important traits of good military men and women. You are a disgrace to all who have served.

Matt

Yet someone can attack a man based on his personal and family life, and nobody bats an eye.

Integrity follows a fine line. Those that cross that line need to look in the mirror and ask themselves some honest questions about the self proclaimed perfection of their own lives. You’d be surprised at how blind you truly are when it comes to your own image!

Easy choice. Dumb question.

I didn't realize adultery and serial lying were important values of Christians. I learn something every day.

Matt

Good question. Same as Catholics continuing to support Catholic priests that molest little boys. Of course we have no real proof that Trump did anything inappropriate with her to begin with.

person who votes in elections has to compromise some values and make a choice. There is never a candidate who represents every single value a person holds. Last time I checked, there was not a candidate for president in the past two elections who didn't have some evil tendencies. I chose the guy with a questionable personal life, but who I believed truly cared about the good of the country and citizens, vs. a certifiably evil hag and that old guy who wants to continue the hard left progressive transformation of the country into something unrecognizable.

So yes, I compromised SOME values for the lesser of two evils. And so did you, based upon what you see as "dangerous" evil, if you voted.

John 8:7.

Compromising values. You mean for parties that commit murder against our own children with our tax dollars. Do you mean parties that give tax dollars to foreign leadership that is against God. Do you mean politicians that sell us out for foreign interest? I could go on and on.

I’m not advocating anything anyone has done wrong. But, I’m not a biased idiot either. Have you ever looked at another women in lust? Did you ever have premarital sex? If you answered yes to either one of these, then by biblical standards you are as guilty as Trump if he did have sex with Stormy.

That brings up another point. How do you know he’s guilty of anything concerning her? Because he paid? That’s standard business bud. In this corrupt society, it’s often easier to buy it out versus pay to play it out.

Anyways, it shouldn’t be hard to understand someone supporting Trump in the current political world. To me, it’s so confusing why you don’t.

Trump as the president is our defense to corrupt, career politicians. He represents the people. I understand that’s not the design of our system. But, it’s what our system has become. You can either vote to support party interests or you can vote to support the citizenship. It can’t be both ways because our house long ago stopped representing the people.

That’s why I support him. He’s not perfect. But, neither am I or anyone else. It’s not like Don jr. or Eric are being paid by Ukrainian interests and the Chinese. And, it’s not like hunter is the first to profit from foreign interests. The line of Congress and senate members paid by foreign interests is long. That used to be called treason. Now it’s acceptable because of reasoning like yours.

Establishment is the danger. That’s why I’ll vote for anyone who mocks it.

Never Trump Party Queeny

which includes every human that has ever existed. you vote for the person who most closely resembles your values and beliefs. simple as that.

Romans 3:23

Trump has been around in public for decades. I knew his personality flaws and had low expectations of how he would govern but he did fine by normal standards and fantastic compared to what we have now. People who don't lean left but didn't like Trumps character flaws and voted for someone else or abstained, share in the blame for Biden being elected.

She lied and ruined women’s reputations to cover Bill molesting and raping of women.

Look what a creature your boy raised.

Altitude-- perfect representation of two people

Classic!!

Personal friends and representing our country

No one I know or associate with would think of, relate too, or post a cartoon like that.

Have you seen proof that these thing’s actually happened, or do you just believe everything the democrats tell you?

IMO, the change has gotta start at local and state levels. That's the only way it filters to the top.

Matt

So what do you do ?

I guess you can piss your vote away like SBC or Flatlander and then act like none of what happens is something they contributed too.

Or you start the process of what you were talking about and vote what's best for the country, whatever you think that is

Shawn thinks trump will win women in a national election. I’ll take that bet. He also thought Trump would win in 2020 because of the number of trump signs and bumper stickers he saw. How did that work out. LMAO.

If I think Trump is the best chance of winning, he likely gets my vote. Whoever wins the primary gets my vote.

Plenty wrong with the Republican party but there's only 2 teams in the Superbowl and one isn't an option for me. But, like Jaquomo, I live in Colorado so the outcome will be decided by others.

Tens of millions of sanctimonious, self-righteous Democraps voted for Bill Clinton, knowing full well he was a habitual sexual predator. That didn't matter because the Dems voted for Dem policies, just as many Republicans held their noses and voted for Trump, as did I, because of his policies and the USSC.

25 years ago the Bowsite was moderated with a much heavier hand than it is now. Trolls like Azzlicker and Shawn Magyar were routinely banned. Heck, one guy got banned for calling Rush a draft dodger with no gonads. Now, it's the moderators who have no gonads.

Matt

evil in your eyes...but no more or no less evil than many people think biden is...who according tara reade actually did grab her in the crotch, not just say he could crab her in the crotch...who according to his own daughters diary did unspeakable things with her, who according to many sold influence...etc...etc...etc.

at the end of the day...depending on which side you are on...they have both done some shitty things...even so, if both get the nomination, one of them is going to win in 2024 so you pick which one most closely resembles your core values.

the bible also speaks to only pointing out one side.

matthew 7:3

Team Trump, QAnon, election denial, and insurrection doesn’t get the high ground on emotion and logic.

I actually said "emotion and logic" DON'T go together.

To address your comment; I never said that either team was inclined to being emotional rather than rational, just said that most people tend that direction.

But BLM, Antifa, George Floyd rioters, are in fact the holders of that high ground. At least that’s the impression one gets when left wing media celebrates it.

Those organizations do not hold the high ground either. I’m willing to denounce political violence in any form by any organization. The difference is rabid Trumpers like WV won’t do that. I’ve seen 70lbs denounce January 6th rioters multiple times. As you can see above they (like WV) make excuses for the violence. It’s justified right. Gee, I wonder if Trump would have conceded the legitimate election and didn’t call for a rally on January 6th if the riot/insurrection would have happened. The question is rhetorical. I’m not saying Trump did anything criminal on January 6th but he sure shares some blame. In the words of Kevin McCarthy on January 6th, Trump “bears responsibility.” But like WV he makes excuses for Trump now.

If you played a part in attacking our capitol during a sacred constitutional process you loose a seat at the democratic table IMO. Including Trump. If you were involved in the political riots in Portland in any way you should loose a seat at the democratic table. That’s logical and moral in any real world except in Trumperland. No emotion necessary.

So Kamala should immediately resign?

Agreed! But the problem is that the Democrats don’t hold other democrats accountable for their poor decisions. But they’re more than willing to hang a MAGA supporter for simply wearing the red ball cap. I constantly hear the democrats on the news saying, “nobody is above the law.” Yet, any question of China joes integrity and loyalty to the law and the American people, is ignored and swept under the rug, while they’re calling for the death penalty of Jacob Chansley for his peaceful and non-violent trespassing stunt.

Currently, New Yorkers are proclaiming that protests and riots are, in no uncertain terms, intolerable, and will be met with swift punishment, in Trumps arraignment. I just don’t EVER recall hearing Cuomo denouncing any protest or riot that didn’t involve right wing voters.

There’s an obvious bias in the whole system. You just don’t hear many guys on Bowsite pointing out the similarities.

Fathead is either the dumbest poster on bowsite or, the biggest liar on the planet. I and most anyone who watches the news saw Harris say this. Openly. They saw Trump insist on peace openly. So how is it the biggest detractor on this forum insinuates what he does and expects to be taken seriously. Simple. He’s either a liar or so biased it has affected his cognitive ability.

It’s really that simple. And as far as denouncing the 6th, I still don’t know what happened. There’s a lot of proof that it wasn’t what the main stream tried to play it to be. And, it certainly wasn’t caused by Trump. Other then that, I know an American veteran was shot and killed.

I’ve seen tapes where the police opened the doors and escorted some involved in “insurrection” like they were on a field trip. It’s public information. The only way you don’t consider it is if you are a liar or dumb.

The most certain question of me on this thread is Am I supposed to believe the crap fathead incorporated is spewing after seeing this? That makes me a denier? You betcha.

Trump called for peace 2.5 hours after the capitol was breached. He stoked the flames of violence then and he’s doing it again now.

You still don’t know what happened on January 6th huh. LMAO. Well piss down my back and say it’s raining. Not knowing for sure hasn’t stopped you from condemning everything on the opposing side of Trump. Were you there at the FISA court…in the judges chambers? But you made a very decisive choice on that one. Spare us all you crawfishing BS. You’re spineless and a hypocrite.

I seen the video of police opening the doors too. If there’s a mob of 1000 idiots armed with a lie that they have been wronged and you’re one cop at a door what would you do? Which is it WV? First you defend it then you don’t know what happened then you defend it then it was a tourist event. Spineless and unAmerican. You obviously get your opinion handed to you from 5-10pm every night. Why do you let Tucker hump you like that.

Trump stoked that s#%t and he owns it. All for vanity’s sake. I can see why you worship him. But he’s a demagogue and false idol. Maybe you should read the Bible instead of asking others if they do.

“That makes me a denier? You betcha.“

Absolutely and the most honest thing you’ve said on this thread.

BOOM! Bowsite’s biggest cheerleader…Mr. Self-Righteous Christian.

It’s important for you to understand that while Trump isn’t my most preferred candidate, he’s the choice I’ll make short of an Allen West or other Reagan like figure. He’s better than any established politician of any party. And, while it doesn’t take much to top those candidates, he did everything he said he would.

We all moan and groan about voting for the better of the choices we are given. Yet, as a whole we do nothing about it. We take what this government gives us. We take the years of obtuse and obvious neglect our elected officials give us. And, we take what both miserable parties give us. That’s what our role as a citizen has become.

It’s like the whole republic has forgotten “by the people, for the people”. Instead we are taking what they give us on all accounts. If that’s ok with you then I’m ok with that. It’s just not something I can relate too.

Right now, that means my choice is Trump. If you can’t stomach that then do what you gotta do. I’m going too. And, I suspect he’ll do an even better job then last time if he makes in. Which no one can argue the success he provided the people of this country. Gay, straight, black, brown, Hispanic, or white. We all benefitted. That’s enough for me.

“Which no one can argue the success he provided the people of this country. Gay, straight, black, brown, Hispanic, or white. We all benefitted.”

I can absolutely argue Trumps success based on the numbers. His predecessor had better numbers and the economy was rolling. Trump just had to stay out of the way. If you think America is better off for minority rights after Trump you’re living in a bubble. That’s exactly why Trump will not win office again. Exactly because of the implications of his decision on marginalized groups of PEOPLE in our society. And it will ironically come to bite him back. It absolute statements like this that make you self-righteous. If you praise trump for his economic numbers but not his predecessor then that makes you a hypocrite.

Maybe Trump can teach chess to checker players in prison…if a jury of his peers says he is guilty. I mean Trumpers always said he was playing chess when others were playing checkers. We will see.

So this whole country is in danger of collapsing because of one man’s vanity? That sounds like dictatorship to me, but Trump didn’t lock you down and insist that you wear a mask, get vaccinated, and lose your livelihood, for his vanities sake.

By the way, there was more than one cop in the Capitol that day. Most will naturally fight for what’s right, but Nancy Pelosi was the only cop in charge that day, and the real cops had their hands tied. You know it as well as the rest of us, but Democrats and their voter base are scared to death of him, and will sacrifice what little integrity they have to stop him from allowing Americans to live the way they see fit. Even if it means total destruction of freedom of choice.

They are scared shitless of Trump.

There'd never been a nation that has taxed their way to prosperity..just ain't gonna happen.

Trump wasn't perfect by a long shot but I do have a little common sense to figure out that moving more n more toward Marxist/Socialist or Fascist forms of government is the total opposite of any kind of progress as far as government goes. My goodness, we have over 100 years of history to reflect back on and see that bigger government never solves any problems..Democrat or Republican..doesn't matter. I think an individual would just simply have to be either ignorant or naive, or maybe just a lover of big government in general to not see this fact.

Look at what they've done with so called Social Security..on and on and on. You just have absolutely no argument to defend the position of pro big government in a positive way. The only form of government that will help America prosper is a more Libertarian form of government...MINIMAL government.

Yeah, I didn’t think it was possible either until Trump violated centuries of tradition of a peaceful transfer of power.

“That sounds like dictatorship to me, but Trump didn’t lock you down and insist that you wear a mask, get vaccinated, and lose your livelihood, for his vanities sake.”

Public health policies during the pandemic were mostly enacted by states. And all 50 states had a version of the policies you are referring to; however, it was under Trumps watch. Wasn’t it? He was president. You make Biden own gas prices but Trump doesn’t own the mask mandates. C’mon man.

I assume you are referring to the military vaccine mandate? Cause you can’t be talking about private companies. In a capitalist economy private companies can mandate stuff like that. Right? And hasn’t everyone who has ever been in the military since vaccines has been in existence been required to a take multiple vaccines? It’s in the contract that you have too or your out long before the Covid pandemic.

“By the way, there was more than one cop in the Capitol that day.”

I guess you didn’t see the video WV is referring too.

“Nancy Pelosi was the only cop in charge that day, and the real cops had their hands tied.”

No idea what you are talking about. Is this the whole national guard request stuff? We shouldn’t have needed any cops at the capitol that day. It was just a tourist event right. Why would they need 100s of cops and 1000s of national guards? Another dead end.

“You know it as well as the rest of us, but Democrats and their voter base are scared to death of him, and will sacrifice what little integrity they have to stop him from allowing Americans to live the way they see fit.”

You have the right to live the way you see fit until it infringes on my rights and/or breaks the law/violates the constitution.

“Even if it means total destruction of freedom of choice.”

The law was changed constitutionally. I don’t have a problem with it. But the people (women) will have the right to vote their disagreement with that decision.

“What minority rights got stripped during Trump's term?”

Just google Civil Right Act and the Trump Justice Department and employment discrimination. Thank goodness Trump lost that one at the Supreme Court. But he tried.

“FWIW, my post was directed at Timex.”

It isn’t worth nothing. It’s a discussion forum. Send a PM if you don’t want others to reply.

“ Trump wasn't perfect by a long shot but I do have a little common sense to figure out that moving more n more toward Marxist/Socialist or Fascist forms of government is the total opposite of any kind of progress as far as government goes.”

There it is. The Marxist drummer beating his hum drum. You want to see real Marxism. Just look at Desantis trying to hostility take over a private company (Disney) and put it under government control. You finally got one TG. Beat that drum.

“You just have absolutely no argument to defend the position of pro big government in a positive way.”

Yes I do when it’s needed to protect my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness from others. I’ll bet those people in East Palestine, Ohio want big government to protect them. They are demanding it. Trumps deregulation didn’t work out so well there did it? But I will agree that there is a balance and a fine line.

No different than Bragg violating centuries of past presidents that weren’t falsely accused in an effort to keep them from being a legitimate presidential candidate and giving the opposition an advantage.

It goes both ways bother! We can do this all day, but I think it would be a lot more enjoyable with a bottle Johnny Walker Blue and a nice Macanudo cigar!

Ks - I googled your Civil Rights Act. There's a lot there. Haven't had time to go through much of it. If you could give me just one actual right that was stripped that would be great, otherwise I'll continue to look at it as I get time.

Or maybe…just maybe Trump actually did the things he’s accused of. Thank goodness the Constitution affords him innocent until proven guilty, a court case, and a jury of his peers or judge should he choose. We will see.

“It goes both ways bother! We can do this all day, but I think it would be a lot more enjoyable with a bottle Johnny Walker Blue and a nice Macanudo cigar!”

That’s kind of the point that tangential equivalencies can go on and on. To get it to stop means to be completely honest and not defensive. I’m game but it will be Bud Light and skoal for me. I don’t drink much and definitely not whiskey. No foofoo beer either. Definitely no cigar for me. But I’d like doing that 70lbs.

Rut- see link. What was the median household income when Trump took office compared to when he left. What was the same for Obama? I’ll wait for you answer.

This is from the link. “Nationally, median family income growth in Trump’s first three years was almost identical to the rate of growth in the three years prior to his presidency, according to one of the two main Census surveys.”

“Is Google an unbiased source…”

Hey Double Post, Google is not the source. Google is the search engine but you can use whatever search engine you want catscratch. It’s probably good for you to read and dig through the information. Beware of bias sources kind of like the one I linked is slightly left leaning. But since the source used census data it seemed ok.

Matt

if you dont think a presidents policies have an large impact on the economy...both negative and positive...youre not very bright.

The majority of Palestine OH voted for Trump. Trump made an effort to at least visit them and bring a little fresh water along.

But I’m sure there is a much more reasonable explanation as to why China Joe drug has feet when it came to providing the assistance they needed to recover from it. The China joe appointed health department declared there is no danger to the citizens of Palestine. The dead fish and wildlife, coupled with people suddenly coughing up blood was just a coincidence.

But hey, you can rest assured that nobody from the railroad company will be charged with paying a hooker to shut up and go away!

Trumps base is going to vote for him no matter what. There isn’t a R candidate that can beat him in the primary. The problem with that is it’s too big and too small all at the same time.

I’m going to listen to the wise words of Michael and Brosky and jump off this thread. You all have fun with it.

I’ll end with this. Because I don’t want to be a low information voter, I’m going to watch all primary debates and keep an open mind on who I my vote for in 2024 excluding Trump. I got to see him in action for 4 years so I got a pretty good idea what he is about. Same with Biden and I don’t want either of them to get the nominations. Undecided voter here excluding Trump and Biden.

id prefer to not have either one of them either...but what are you going to do if they both win the nomination? i know what ill do...without hesitation.

Ok, bright guy, please explain *exactly* what policies, or legislation, the current administration has passed that has caused worldwide inflation, and caused central banks around the globe to raise interest rates. We'll start there. Please educate me.

Matt

It’s only illegal if he paid her with campaign money. Otherwise it’s a big nothing burger. As to why he potentially paid her to shut up?… look at what Brett Kavanaugh had to endure with false accusations. And false accusations have been a part of politics for eons. As is par for the case; all the accusations against my opponents are guaranteed to be true, but those against my own team are definitely false.

It’s dog eat dog when it comes to politics. This where you use a little common sense and believe what you see, more than what you hear.

in terms of education...maybe we should start with your reading comprehension...show me where I said anything about the current administration.

the Democrats rally together but are short sighted-harry reids simple majority for the SCOTUS,political prime time "trials" for every unproven allegation,Hard handed Committees.Its time for the GOP to return the favor but of course it will be painted differently.

you seem to have a comprehension problem too...i didn't say that...you claimed that trump is evil and i simply pointed out that he is no more or no less evil than people think biden is...so if both biden and trump get the nomination what are you going to do? which evil are you going to vote for? pretty much the only thing i said about this case in particular is that indictments dont mean squat...bragg better bring the goods or it will only embolden trump.

Nice dodge.

You claimed that "president's policies have a large impact on the economy". Currently our economy, as well as the world's economy, is suffering from high inflation and rising interest rates. So, what president's policies has caused that?

Matt

However I would add that outsized gov. Spending, ie American Rescue Plan at 2 trillion dollars has added to inflation her at home

Who knows I guess there could be more examples, or not, who knows

Kind of like the old worn out line that the price of oil is not determined in any way by the Presidents policies. However when the President insults and messes with the Saudi Arabians, in spite of that not being a policy the price of oil Certainly will be reflected in what the Saudis do in response to what our Moron in chief said.

Fair enough SBC. There are a lot of legal savvy folks that are calling it a weak case to begin with. That includes John Bolton. He hates trump with a passion, but he’s afraid they don’t have enough to make it stick.

On a side note, Bolton hinted towards running for president. Lol! He’s the biggest war monger in the country! Guaranteed we’ll be tossing nukes at every country in the world if he gets in!!

Or, was it? Lots of political geniuses have this all figured out. Just like they did in 2016.

If Trump wins the primary, he’ll garner more democrat vote than anyone the Republican Party has to offer. That’s a proven fact you can take to the bank. And, I’m not a political genius. Just a guy without a grudge.

1. A worldwide pandemic that basically shut down global economies and disrupted supply chains.

2. Stimulus money that drove up demand when supply was low.

3. More jobs than willing workers when everything reopened, which drove up wages, and consequently drove up prices for goods and services.

4. Central banks were slow to react, claiming inflation was temporary. When they finally did react with higher rates, the high inflation was already entrenched, and much more difficult to bring down.

5. The Russian/Ukraine war which caused worldwide energy and food prices to spike even higher than they already were.

Out of those 5 causes, the stimulus money was most directly related to administrative policy. If memory serves, 2 of the 3 US stimulus payments came under the previous administration's watch.

Matt

The US central bank (treasury) and the Fed Reserve had more to do with long term inflation. It occurred for 12yrs and it was QE at a non sustainable rate. It was done to fend off another collapse and they did it for to long. That lag was predictable. As is current rate hikes lagging effects. Now we had the federal reserve pigeon holed with making a double cross mistake.

Private Banking, lending at zero percent and heavy into bond markets with way to much risk cooked in. Poor risk management with OPM. To much currency printed for a decade has a specific effect. Inflation and soon as QT occurred (1-2 months) the rubber met the road.

A of of this can be mitigated by turning the nations oil producers loose. Was looking at Steve Moore's data on us oil production losses under Biden. 1.2 billion barrels less or a million or so a day. The taxes from those barrels, taxes on those in the fields would have went a long way to easing this broken administrations policy on fossil fuels. We are clearly the cleanest fossil fuel producers and exporters in the world. Expanding are LP sales alone has reduced more carbon than any other nation. We just have folks in GVT at every level that are not qualified to handle running the US economy.

DJ

BINGO ! That summed it all up in one simple sentence

We never will either if people are hired for every reason in the world, except for being qualified.

Then politicians with Marxist tendencies took it to the extreme. Keeping the economy and schools closed 18 months longer than necessary. ( remember ministers and business owners being arrested for daring to survive on their own.

Then continued reckless spending when inflation was obviously hitting. (Green deal, and “inflation reduction”. Translation: slush fund for 2020 vote buying.

So one was well intentioned. The other done for other means By the current Regime.

2. Stimulus money that drove up demand when supply was low.

3. More jobs than willing workers when everything reopened, which drove up wages, and consequently drove up prices for goods and services.

4. Central banks were slow to react, claiming inflation was temporary. When they finally did react with higher rates, the high inflation was already entrenched, and much more difficult to bring down.

5. The Russian/Ukraine war which caused worldwide energy and food prices to spike even higher than they already were."

all of which were largely impacted...if not completely created by presidential action or inaction. if you want to make this about a specific president...had trump been reelected...would the pandemic lockdowns have been what they were...would there have been a 1.9 trillion dollar rescue plan...would putin have ever invaded ukraine and even if he did would we have been over a barrel in terms of no longer being energy independent...and finally would the fed have dragged their feet in terms of keeping inflation in check. like i said, if you dont think a presidents policies have a large impact on those things...youre not very bright...or not very honest.

At least I now know how "bright" and "honest' you are. Thanks.

Matt

I didn't vote for him in 2016. Because I don't like him. But after what I seen the Democrats do to him from day 1 is all I needed to see. To use the quote from KSflatlander. "attacked the foundation of our democracy" to me that describes what happened to him for his entire presidency. So I voted for him in 2020. So I guess that means I have a "low IQ".

If he is the candidate for 2024 I will vote for him. I would like to have him as president just to watch the Democrats explode. But as mentioned above. Would be best if he would bow out and let someone else have a go at it.

never said it was...but how it affected the economy sure as hell was affected by presidential policy...like i said, either you have problems with comprehension or honesty...or youre just not very bright...take your pick.

BTW, in case you're wondering, I supported Trump's re-election, and was honestly disappointed when he lost a fair election. I have never supported Biden, or his policies. But, at least I'm honest enough to not place the entire blame for state of our economy on our current administration.

Matt

I'm still trying to figure out how the hocus pocus high taxation system helps the economy??

Let's see..higher taxes = less money in the private sector witch equals less money flowing into the economy which equals less investment within private companies ..which equals less money to the employees...But..the great welfare state will save us ..right? Bit wait..that money has to come from somewhere which means domestic welfare and corporate welfare is totally funded by ...the tax payers!

Gee..those folks for big government must know the secret that everybody else hasn't known for the last 100 plus years because I've never seen a big government system that hasn't failed

Matt

my reading comprehension is just fine... as is my honesty...and im sure as hell bright enough to know what frustrates people like you...people that attempt to massage what others say into their own strawman argument...in a desperate attempt to make yourself look bright. show me where i said the current administration was entirely to blame for the state of the economy...i didnt. i will say that much of the damage done by the pandemic was unavoidable but many of bidens actions or inactions were like a bellows to that flame...that is indisputable. massage away...others might be impressed by your bullshit...not me.

You just proved why I don't get mixed up with these subjects.

Some people have fun with all of this. I don't and could care less.

I think the point was proven that the President can affect a lot of things with or without policy, etc etc

Would love to share a camp fire with you some day.

Matt

Hang in there

Matt

Big government just different different paths that lead to the same place

Memento mori, my friend.

Matt

Being successful allows me to contribute in many different ways to what I want to see politically.

Most things ARE more important than being financially successful, that we do agree on

And arguing most of this stuff is probably the most unimportant thing of all. That's why I never do much of it

All good here Wrapping up the year and getting properties sorted out for next year

Participated in a great crawfish boil last weekend-60 or so people. I made the gumbo for it. Crawfish season is starting in the south

I may go to Guatemala in a week or so to catch the last hard sailfish bite. Not sure yet. Got an invitation so it may happen

Fishing a little and trying to put summer plans together

As busy as I want to be!

Guatemala sounds like an adventure. Is it safe down there?

Matt

Getting safer. Safe enough if you have the right system to get to the Pacific side. The fishing area is fine.

What a clown show the democrats are putting on. Unfortunately their uneducated voters soak it up and believe it like gospel.

given kennedys stance on the vaccine...i have no doubt you two are kindred spirits.

The saddest part of it is that there are people here that support the dismantling of this country in the name of money and control. And either they are too ignorant to realize it, or they are too greedy and selfish to admit that they are complicit.

where did you come up with that?

They just got a big raise in benefits and expenses as well while on duty in Wa DC.

Tim Scott and Trump on same ticket?

DJ

that's their salary but its not for life... their pension is nowhere near that...the average congressional pension is more like 50-60k...not that that is bad...but nowhere near their annual salary

https://smartasset.com/retirement/congress-retirement-plans

if anyone is living under a rock...

Who needs bribery? Look at Chicago. They elected Lori Lightfoot, when she had nothing to offer. Then they complained about her, and turned right around and elected another do nothing democrat. You have to wonder if it all works on bribery and corruption, or are certain voters easily influenced, and equally susceptible to manipulation by politicians who have no interest in making a difference.

Make Bud Great Again. . . . . . . .MBGA

I think I’ll purchase and drink a few Bud Lights on you this weekend. You can look at the AB stock price and it’s already recovering. It’s at a higher price than it was a year ago. That’s how much idiots like you and Kid Rock matter. LMAO.

I seen the daughter of a friend playing with a doll this weekend. It had one of those pull string things and it repeated the same lines over and over. She couldn’t think of a name for it. I recommend she name it Shawn Magyar (DJ).

I can’t believe that Bowsite allow for the homophobic and racial slurs to stand from azelkhntr. Wait…yes I can.

You’re really something Thornton. Totally missed the boat and swimming in an inferiority complex sea.

Yeah, god forbid a president that communicates with the country he oversees! At least now we have a transparent administration…right?!!! Lol!

They’ve got you hating Trump so badly, that you ignore the fact that China joe is selling America out for his own benefit. Not to mention potentially getting WWIII underway sooner than later!

But hey, at least Brandon isn’t egotistical! Lol!

Love to see Yang run as a third party candidate. With a Democratic party bench warmers from last election polling around 3% with registered Democrats its not looking good for them. All you really need is a Left third Party to draw off more Dem votes than Never Trump GOPers and its locked up for GOP.

The speaker will pass a debt reduction bill soon to counter Debt Ceiling looming with Democratic votes. See what Biden and Senate will do. With Biden's legal troubles and polling lower than ever he will have to come to a compromise. Will be interesting to see. Senate will change bill so it will come right up to the Debt ceiling drop dead date. If no deal, all tier two pay will not be paid out of Treasury (congressional pay, regular government retirements, salaries, government contracts at many levels, many non essential services. This will fall on Democrats if the House bill is passed prior. Look for a six month deal and another to keep it in oval office several times before November 2024. Nothing like putting another arrow in a wounded politician for the coup de gras.

Take the time to research and learn the things that he accomplished while in office. And keep in mind he has by no means lost his base voters. Casting votes, and judging politicians based on personality traits is a democratic/liberal thing.

....he had to spend that majority of his time dealing with every personal attack known to man...from 95% of the press and many within his own party...a multi year long russia collusion hoax...the unjust character assassination of two sc justice nominees...two impeachments...and a worldwide pandemic that literally consumed 1/4 of his presidency. yeah i agree...its a shame he wasnt able to just go to work and do the job...imagine what more could have been accomplished. the fact that he accomplished what he did is actually quite remarkable. whats even more remarkable is how quickly much of it has unraveled under the current administration...in half the time.

Trump will in all likelyhood capture the GOP nomination. With plenty of Bud Light jokes. He will probably add supporters by cutting BL up. Lets wait for the Militant Trans Manifesto from Nashville to be published. Leaks of it are very disturbing I have read in several sources. Some quotes are comparing it as the partner copy to the Anarchists Cookbook or Devils Handbook. Pure planned Trans evil on christian children. The pure pith of LBGTQAi+ Darkness. God help us when they release this oddly queer evil to those families.

What does Bud Lite, and, sex in a canoe have in common?

They’re both f***ing near water!

tipping too far to one side is really dangerous.

you really dont get it do you? the only way trump would or could accomplish anything was to first expose the media for the lying partisans that they are...and the media sure as hell wasnt going to go down without a fight. your hornets nest analogy is pretty damn accurate though...bees die after they sting...hornets dont...you have to actually crush the bastards.

Lol! Let us know when you find the politician that fits your narrative! Then we’ll know for sure that hell has actually frozen over.

Obama was considered as very charismatic, yet, look at the damage he’s has helped to perpetuate.

No offense, but I can’t help wonder if you’re still fairly young, or if you’ve never paid attention to politics until now.

Imagine this..2 fellas get in their vehicles in NYC, destination Miami,FL. One takes US Hwy 1 south and the other Interstate 95. They are on 2 different routes but headed for the same destination...that's the Drmocrats n Republicans. The end results, we have Bigger government and less liberty. Like a choice between Marxism and Facism..neither one is a good choice but a choice none the less.

You must be naive or ignorant or both. Politicians never get to high elected positions without having screwed people over. The ones that act the most high and mighty are more than likely the ones that were Epstein frequent flyers.

that would be nice except for the fact that people of the character that you seem to expect are not capable of doing... or hiring others to do...what needs to be done in order to actually win the presidency. all national politicians are bought and paid for by special interest groups. the funny thing is in my lifetime the president that was the least beholden to special interest groups is trump. did he lie? yes...but no worse than obama or biden. was he a philanderer? yes...but no more than kennedy or clinton. did he have business dealings while not in office that could be picked apart and made to look unethical or even criminal? yes...but certainly no worse than clinton or bush. human beings run for office...from school board to president... and every one of us is flawed.

its no coincidence you spend your morning constitutional time trying to push other peoples buttons...the end result of both seems to be about the same...lol

sure...im disappointed in a lot of the things trump said...but im also pleased with a lot of the things he did... positions he took...and people he nominated. I was on a vacation last year and for some reason there were a number of people at the resort that were from ny city. great people but they were loud...brash...opinionated...and never afraid to mix it up...new yorkers are just a different breed of cat.

I doubt he will be changing any time soon. Yes, I would love a more "presidential" President but surviving and beating the Democrat machine, media, academia, Hollywood, big tech and pro sports is a giant accomplishment. If we get someone who does it, they will likely have their share of flaws. "Normal" Pence or Haley type candidates will just be polite and dignified losers.

i would too...but id much rather have a brash...uncouth...ny bully that truly loves america and all she offers... and is willing to fight for her and defend her on the national stage...than some smooth talking leftist liar that thinks america...and all she stands for is evil...and the cause of all that is wrong with the world...and apologizes for her on the national stage.

Haley is trolling for a job. Good luck with that. Joe going to announce this week if he can remember its on his list of things to do this week. Has little to know support unless he is the only show in town. Likely with 2020's list of democrat performers, he is.

So, did you research the things he accomplished, or did you simply read a script from CNN news? For someone that doesn’t pay much attention to politics, you sure do recite the left wing talking points like a champ.

You might want to take trip to the shearing pen. Your wool is getting thick and it’s definitely grown over your eyes!!

LOL, he didn't win twice, sorry, even FAUX knows that. But it will be fun watching his next tantrum. Now if only DeSantis would throw his hat in the ring and get down and dirty. I'll make popcorn for that s* show.

If conservatives want to get back on track they had better embrace the MAGAA movement.

open mouth and insert foot moment on trumps part or open mouth vomit out lie moment on the part of the clinton campaign and their allies in the press?

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/fake-news-trump-did-not-mock-disabled-reporter-and-other-lies-from-the-left/

" I'm pretty sure my grandparents are going to vote for Biden if he runs in 2024. Which I find strange because they always voted Republican when they were alive."

They will indict Hunter and more than likely a bunch of the Biden influence peddling family. I have seen the I word used this weekend as well. My guess Joe will try and play hardball and say " I will just pardon them all" and they will say "Joe, you cant pardon yourself" and he will be forced to go away or not. Either way he cant run and win.

Too bad china joe isn’t held to the same standard as Trump. I get a kick out of guys like Timex and Dana that scream and holler about how bad Trump is, yet they have nothing to say about what goes on in the Biden cartel. I’m still trying to figure out what Joe has done to make himself look like a president. I don’t think he has any successes to brag about, and he sure doesn’t have any type of comprehensive plan for the rest of his term. So what is it about him that so many people supposedly love?

Bowlibs, please tell me you won’t vote for joe again, just to prevent trump from winning. Maybe we’ll have a Soros backed drag queen on the ballot to take his place.

i agree with you to an extent. my heart tells me that i would rather not have another chaotic trump term...but my brain tells me that no matter who the republican nominee is...the leftists will attack him just as bad...its the way they do business now. theyve already accused desantis of being a pedophile for gods sake.

so if its trump v biden...i will vote FOR trump...with a very clear conscience If its desantis v biden...i will vote FOR desantis...with a very clear conscience if it is any other candidate on the rep side v any other candidate on the dem side...i will vote FOR the rep...with a very clear conscience.

what are the top three things you despise about trump?

I can go on if you like. >;-)

Don't get me wrong, Biden is a putz. But a mere putz isn't half the threat to this nation that Trump is.

jmo-ymmv

Wait what? Let me guess; you have no proof that Biden is a criminal, or a treasonous fool, despite what you may have heard? Or are you playing the willfully ignorant card?

Willfully ignorant it is! Lol!

Now, start another chorus of "But, but, but Biden!" "But, but, but Hillary!" "But, but, but Obama!"

>;-)

Biden domestic policy race instigator is gone. She’s taking the first thing smoking out of Reagan National for a safehaven.

Very interesting as the re election announcement was to be tomorrow.

This is a Cabinet in a clear panic.

You forgot about his part in the Benghazi attack!

“The type of integrity myself personally feels the potus should possess and exhibit.”

Don’t we all?!? I wish we could get a president that served actual military duty. Unfortunately, the American people don’t seem to care about either of those traits. It was mentioned before, and I fully believe, that no matter who we get as a new candidate, the Democrats are going to give him the Trump treatment. It’s the only way they can stay in the game. Well, that and ballot harvesting.

Lets see if Bidens camp sticks to the plan on Tuesday. We have The AG about to be pressed on perjury, same as Blinken.

With referrals coming to Hunter. This is troubling at this time. They would have to indict him on hundreds of charges so Joe van pardon them all. That would kill his re election bid. Does he cover Hunter or get out now?

Very interesting. Much more jere than with Nixon. I think an address to nation on primetime will be forth coming soon or should be.

ROTFLMAO. That explains the cord in Shawn’s back getting pulled over and over and repeating the same BS. How anyone can rail against “fake news” then say NewsMax is straight. Lol. Then say Tucker (proven hack liar who doesn’t even believe Trump’s BS) “news” is actually a good thing. Oh the willful ignorant. But what do you expect from a self professed insurrectionist.

It’s a damn cult.

Trump will not be president ever again. Mark my words. The loss of women’s rights and January 6th are hanging large around his neck like an anchor.

Trump vs Biden 2024…lord help us.

i dont even know what to make of number 1. what nazis like trump?

if you didn't like trumps personal conduct with women...surely you could never have voted for kennedy or clinton.

as far as controlling his "troops." not sure that is legit either. the list is long of the damage done by the BLM riots that were allowed to happen...a riot is a riot is a riot.

no...you dont need to list any more...why bother...it would just be more hypocrisy. it is quite apparent that your disdain for trump has nothing to do with those actual things listed...because you dont seem at all interesting in holding others to the same standard. thank you for your honest answer...at least we all know we all know where you are coming from...TDS.

Ricky, that’s the point I’ve been trying to make for him. But his ability to grapple with liberal talking points has blinded him to reality. I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees through his lack of basic integrity.

You know the babysitter, the FLOTUS. So dont leave Joe out the bowling ball mix.

Is that Ryan Hrabe from the burbs in Springhill , Kansas riding the Bud Light Mini Pony?

Lets see what the WH brings on Tuesday.

Funny was Don Lemon’ got fired as well this morning.

is that the same hand that is forcing the late Damar Hamlins family to keep quiet about the cause of his death and the creation of his body double?

A swing and a miss…again

Too young to vote for JFK, never voted for Bill C. either. (Stayed home and let this liberal state go for Hillary.)

" the list is long of the damage done by the BLM riots that were allowed to happen...a riot is a riot is a riot. "

NO SIR! The January 6 INSURRECTION was bent on overturning THE biggest election in the world, not smashing some windows and grabbing tv sets. If false equivalency is your best argument it's no wonder you're still a chump for Trump.

Funny to watch in a pathetic kind of way. You and Ks should get a room and work out both of your aggressions

You may have conveniently forgotten Richard Spencer & Co., but we have not.

saying that jan 6 was an "insurrection" and saying the blm riots were about "smashing some windows and grabbing tv sets" tells us everything we need to know about you...let me guess...you think the blm riots were "mostly peaceful" too.

"You may have conveniently forgotten Richard Spencer & Co., but we have not."

so now were supposed to judge a candidate by every lunatic, hate group, or racist that voted for them? do we really want to get into every revolting group that has supported democrat candidates? Who do you think antifa supported? who do you think blm supported? how about the cpusa?

you are the equivalent of azelkhntr on the left.

You 'guessed' wrong. It is the INTENTION of the rioters that makes the difference.

" so now were supposed to judge a candidate by every lunatic, hate group, or racist that voted for them? "

The neo-nazis knew who they were supporting, and why - they smelled a kindred spirit in Trump. I will proudly oppose _anyone_ they support.

Ricky, you should have a little compassion. Don’t you remember? 5 police officers were murdered in cold blood on the floor of the Capitol that day!

exactly...and if you actually think the intentions of the blm/antifa rioters were to break windows and get a free tv and a few bottles of booze...and not for political reasons...youre dumber than originally thought...or youre just incapable of being truthful.

"The neo-nazis knew who they were supporting, and why - they smelled a kindred spirit in Trump"

they may have...and they were apparently wrong. thats why they withdrew their support for trump when they found out that he wasnt actually a "kindred spirit."

can the same be said about antifa...blm and the communist party usa? have they withdrawn support of dem candidates?

“1. The Nazi like him. ("Heil Trump!") “ How many people has Trump ordered to be exterminated in the name of antisemitism?

“2. His personal conduct re women.” Are you going off of facts and convictions, or just the false accusations of the left wing media?

“3. His failure to control his 'troops' on Jan. 6, 2021.” Does that include Ray Epps? You know, the guy you refuse to acknowledge regardless of the video showing him inciting violence.

“ 4. His addiction to ego-boosting 'rallies'.” How different are his rallies compared to any other political figure? Please elaborate.

“5. His gross failure to remove our troops from Afghanistan.” Lol! Thank goodness China Joe came to the rescue and fixed it for him huh?!?!

“6. His failure to stem the flood of drugs.” I assume you’re referring to the border wall that he tried to build to keep them out? China Joe had it torn down because “walls don’t work”!…Remember? He also hamstrung the border patrol agents, because boots on the ground don’t work either… right?! Or are you referring to the mounted patrol that was relentlessly whipping innocent migrants?!

“I can go on if you like. >;-)” Please do. Tell us more about the MAGA shaman that led the violent insurrectionists thru the halls of the Capitol brandishing weapons and threatening AOC’s life! Lol!

If only you had the ability to inflate money the way you inflate the lies of the media…we’d all be rich!!!!

He made it with regard to people on both sides of removing statues.

Go read the full transcript of the aftermath of that event.

It helps keep from spouting a talking point I would like to be true but really isn't.

Either side. Investigate all talking points. Then you get the truth

You guys remember biden called Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist before knowing the facts?

"There were very fine people on both sides"

"Was yet just another one of his, open mouth and insert foot moments,"

you mean more like a close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears moment for you.

you might want to quit before you make a complete fool of yourself...that statement was taken completely out of context.

you either know it and refuse to acknowledge it...you don't know it because you never bothered to look any farther than your left leaning...hat trump news source...or you just dont give a damn.

here is what trump actually said...in full context...i suggest you watch it.

https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

hell...id hate trump too... if i believed everything cnn and msnbc said about him. open your eyes and get your fingers out of your ears.

The neo-Nazi and white nationalists were the ones with the permit specifically for protesting taking down the statue. That was the whole point of them being there.

It’s Trumps dog whistles (intentional or unintentional) that embolden these hate groups. I agree with Timex that Trump just didn’t want to upset his base and white nationalists are a part of that.

The transcript is in the link.

did you even read it? if you did and you still say that he was claiming the neo-nazis were fine people...you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

TRUMP: ****I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either.**** And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP:**** Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.****

REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

TRUMP: Oh no, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down – excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay, good. Are we going to take down his statue? He was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue? You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – ****and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?**** And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. ****Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.****

"but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?**** And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

Sorry, Donnie, you're known by the company you keep.

If that’s the case, I suggest you brush up on your Mandarin!

You sure do a lot of name calling but lack much of the honesty and integrity you talk so much about.

typical...show me one thing that I have posed that is dishonest or lacked integrity...you apparently dont know what those two concepts mean. im the one actually looking at full statements in context...unlike some chopped up half quote used in an attempt to deceive.

i have no problem calling trump out for his bullshit...and i also have no problem acknowledging when he does something right. you are just so ate up with tds...thats all you can see.

Hopefully 70 and Ricky

My favorite post out of the whole entire thread was one from Timex.

He stated he doesn’t even really pay attention to politics, and just posts on bowsite to stir the pot while taking a crap!!!!

Awsome stuff!!!

I don’t get anything like this on the other two hunting forums I look at.

Thanks guys!!!

He’s one for you Ricky. Exactly how are you quantifying this dishonesty and integrity. It sure isn’t based on how they treat and respect others (golden rule), number of marriages, years of community service, bankruptcies, visits to Epstein Island, indictments, lawsuits, ect. Furthermore, you don’t see the right wing media attacks? Trump is no victim. All those you have listed have faults but only one attacked the foundation on democracy for vanity. You claim to be honest about what you’re saying and make statement’s like that. Maybe it’s you that’s not being honest with yourself.

It’s obvious your arguments don’t hold water because you attack anyone who has a different OPINION. Timex gave his honest opinion based on life experience and he didn’t personally attack you. But yet you do. That is how you lead a discussion and responses and it is the tale tale sign of lack of integrity.

Here is a test for you. Was the 2020 election stolen? I’ll wait for your honest yes or no answer. No whataboutism, false equivalency, strawman, or red herrings. Which is it?

You are truly a freak

No truth in your soul , just a pretender

I read exactly what you wrote!

You don’t pay attention to politics, but post on political threads an a bowhunting website to stir the pot!

I love how you literally told the guys you are trolling them for laughs, and they come back for more.

Next level internet trolling technique!

This is the kind of stuff I’ve been coming to bowsite for so long for!!!

Awesome, good luck!

That looks like a ton of fun

Maybe a new thread with some pics of your catch on the trip when you get back?

I’m doing a little ocean fishing Memorial Day weekend off the Oregon coast.

good try but it was you that played the honesty and integrity card. ive been very up front about trumps failings...he is a very flawed human being...like all human beings...especially those with the wherewithal...the ego...and the desire to be president. trump has done some pretty disgusting things in his personal life and professional life. if you look hard enough...so has every other billionaire and every other presidential candidate. there is no way you are going to rise to that level of prominence without a bunch of of people coming out of the woodwork claiming they were jacked over by you...and if they cant find anything...theyll make something up. i still maintain that no president in my lifetime has been investigated...not just by the opposition party but by the and the intelligence community...but by the media...as much as trump. if biden had 95% of the media looking at him in the same way that have looked at trump...he would have never been elected. if youre implying that biden has been investigated as much as trump...it is you that has a problem with honesty or reality.

the only thing that im concerned with is what the person does in office...what are they doing to advance the policies that i agree with and that i feel will make america a better...safer...and more competitive place to live. you call that moral relativism...i call it the reality of the human condition.

i noticed how you attempted to cover it up but im still waiting for you to point out something that i said that was dishonest...

And the later rehearsed damage control version are two completely different things. Ya know like we'll, that's what I said but that's not what I ment type nonsense."

i hate to tell you this but i have no heroes...certainly not any politicians...not trump...not any of them....hell...i didnt even vote for trump in the primary. regardless... the video i posted was not some damage control version of what he said. that WAS the statement that the quote was pulled from. that wasnt playing cleenup.

i understand that seeing it in full context might seem like a sanitized version but thats what often happens when things are taken out of context in order to make something look a certain way.

just like when people said that trump said he grabbed women by the pussy...he never said that. what he said was "when you’re a star they let you do it....you can do anything...women let you do anything...you could crab them by the pussy."

sadly...thats a true statement...not of what trump actually DID...but of what some women will let stars DO just to be close to them. big difference...

unfortunately most people are to lazy to look any further than what the see reported in the news. that appears to be the case with you.

Here is one that’s dishonest or hyperbole. Neither of which is honesty or integrity. Every presidential candidate? Really? Mike Huckabee? Mike Pence? Barrack Obama? Jeb Bush? Bernie Sanders? Elon Musk? Robert Koch? Warren Buffett? They all are as slimy as Trump? The epitome of false equivalency.

You’re full of horse s#%t. Not all people or candidates are as slimy and immoral as trump. I wouldn’t call your statement truthful. That’s why I asked how you’re measuring honesty and ethics in your statement. Anyway you measure it against Trumps predecessor…well it isn’t equal. Not even close.

Oh, and you failed the test so don’t go around disparaging everyone’s honesty and integrity when your incapable of being intellectually honest with yourself.

sadly...thats a true statement...not of what trump actually DID...but of what some women will let stars DO just to be close to them. big difference...”

And the hits just keep coming. First, you think the exact quote here makes what Trump said any better? When Trump said that he was a star and it was said on his star bus. Lol. You’re quite a mental gymnast. Do you not comprehend meaning and context?

Again, you are full of it. It seems there’s nothing out there you can’t justify and that’s not honesty.

i wouldnt say that statement is truthful either...if i had actually said it. unfortunately i didnt say anyone was "as slimy or immoral as trump." claiming i said that is dishonest. the statement i actually made...

"“trump has done some pretty disgusting things in his personal life and professional life. if you look hard enough...so has every other billionaire and every other presidential candidate. there is no way you are going to rise to that level of prominence without a bunch of of people coming out of the woodwork claiming they were jacked over by you”

...is 100% honest and correct.

every candidate is flawed...and if you look hard enough you can find something in their background...even if you have to go back to high school...even if you have to make it up...including all those you mentioned (ask brett kavanaugh...ask obama...ask romney...ask...)

if anyone is full of bullshit or failed the test it is you. you keep trying to mold your statements into something that appears legit...but you keep digging your hole deeper.

no...but it does show that what he was reportedly to have said is false...which was my point...and it does make what he said absolutely true..."sadly"...which was also my point.

1...he did NOT say he grabbed anyone by the pussy. thats what was reported....and it was false. 2...sadly, there are a whole bunch of woman that will literally let celebrities get away with anything...ask monica lewinski...juanita broderick...ask paula jones...and every rock groupie that has ever existed.

Keep trying...youre looking like a fool.

Personally, I think you do the false equivalency stuff to make yourself feel better or appease others around you but deep down you like the dog whistles. You just won’t admit. Lean into it like azelkhntr. You’re not fooling anyone especially yourself. That’s not a statement of fact but just an opinion based on your words.

lets get down to the nitty gritty...what question did you ask that i didn't answer honestly? you can keep saying i have...but prove it...what are your questions...list them specifically...in a 1...2...3 format. im not interested in chasing your usual deflection tactics.

2. Was the 2020 election stolen? I’ll wait for your honest yes or no answer. No whataboutism, false equivalency, strawman, or red herrings. Which is it?

yes...every presidential candidate...as well as mega wealthy person... has things in their past that with enough investigation would make them look "slimy". as slimy as trump? don't know...few have been delved into as deeply as trump. either way its a red herring as i never said anyone was less than...equal to...or greater than. suggesting that i have is what is dishonest.

"2. Was the 2020 election stolen? I’ll wait for your honest yes or no answer. No whataboutism, false equivalency, strawman, or red herrings. Which is it?"

in my opinion, yes...but not in the way you are probably salivating...waiting for me to say. id actually say manipulated is a better term. the number of votes per candidate were the number of votes per candidate...or at least very close. in my opinion, the way it was stolen...or manipulated...was by a massive mail-in voting operation (under the guise of covid)...sometimes even unconstitutional depending on the state...as well as most of main stream media...as well as social media...censoring negative stories about biden and his family...as well as running cover for him... that very well could have...and in my opinion probably did change the result of the election.

Mike Huckabee as slimy as Trump. Thanks for the laugh. Stolen election…+60 court cases and the SCOTUS (stacked by Trump) says you’re full of it. Hammers that is.

based on what you just posted...i was wrong. youre not dumb...youre illiterate.

By the way, you forgot some capitalizations and punctuation Mr. Literate.

you have a strange way of counter-punching. you keep insisting that i said that every other candidate or wealthy person is just as bad as trump. not only have i not said that...ive very clearly said otherwise. if you were capable reading what a person says...not just what you want to hear...you would know that.

"yes...every presidential candidate...as well as mega wealthy person... has things in their past that with enough investigation would make them look "slimy". as slimy as trump? don't know...few have been delved into as deeply as trump. either way its a red herring as i never said anyone was less than...equal to...or greater than. suggesting that i have is what is dishonest."

im no trumper but i know that if youre going to be a counter-puncher...its best not to do it with your face.

That’s your quote Ricky. It’s right there. That’s exactly what you said. So I listed some other presidential candidates and billionaires and asked if they were slimy as Trump. You replied arguing semantics. You can’t be honest about being honest.

The point being you have no room whatsoever to call out people’s honesty, integrity, and intelligence when you post crap like that then say you didn’t say it multiple times. That’s not integrity…it’s not smart. You obviously lack self awareness and/or are purposely obtuse.

Where's Timex at? I hope he didn't get up early and fish through his morning constitutional. Or maybe I hope he did... and he comes back later with some pics of his amazing fishing trips!

I'm going to leave this here. Already growing velvet! Maybe this pic can bring some joy to this thread?

"That’s your quote Ricky. It’s right there. That’s exactly what you said. So I listed some other presidential candidates and billionaires and asked if they were slimy as Trump. You replied arguing semantics. You can’t be honest about being honest."

yes...that is my exact quote...notice there is nothing about anyone being as slimy or as bad as trump...as a matter of fact i have specifically said otherwise.

"yes...every presidential candidate...as well as mega wealthy person... has things in their past that with enough investigation would make them look "slimy". as slimy as trump? don't know...few have been delved into as deeply as trump. either way its a red herring as i never said anyone was less than...equal to...or greater than. suggesting that i have is what is dishonest.

like i said before...either you cant read, you only choose to use the parts you need (just like the the way the left portrays the "there were very fine people on both sides" quote) or you are full of shit...take your pick. you may not like it, but those are the facts.

Your first statement contradicting your second statement after i pointed it out is not a solid argument. It’s called crawfishing.

I see why you defend and voted for Trump. You two have a lot in common when it comes to honesty and integrity. And demeaning people and name calling is your go to. I thought maybe it would be good for you to taste your own medicine. Apparently, you don’t like it. However, I didn’t know a bag of hammers could be that obtuse.

“trump has done some pretty disgusting things in his personal life and professional life. if you look hard enough...so has every other billionaire and every other presidential candidate. there is no way you are going to rise to that level of prominence without a bunch of of people coming out of the woodwork claiming they were jacked over by you”

"yes...every presidential candidate...as well as mega wealthy person... has things in their past that with enough investigation would make them look "slimy". as slimy as trump? don't know...few have been delved into as deeply as trump. either way its a red herring as i never said anyone was less than...equal to...or greater than. suggesting that i have is what is dishonest."

show me specifically where there is any contradiction in those two statements...unless and until youre willing to do that...ill stick with the "you are full of shit" theory.

for a dude of your superior intellect...should be a piece of cake to just cut em and paste em and point the contradictions out...but you...and i...and pretty much everyone else on this forum knows you cant. youre full of shit.

thornton...i dont think he ever got beat up in school....thats part of the problem. im thinking he was the kind of kid that never went out during recess or lunch...preferring to help the teacher clean erasers and correct papers so theyd tell him what a smart boy he was. good chance he ended up being a teacher. lol

“thornton...i dont think he ever got beat up in school....thats part of the problem. im thinking he was the kind of kid that never went out during recess or lunch...preferring to help the teacher clean erasers and correct papers so theyd tell him what a smart boy he was. good chance he ended up being a teacher. lol”

Now that was funny and actually made me laugh. Touché good one.

I think Thornton was projecting. He does that a lot.

because there is nothing in those two statements that is contradictory...you know it...i know it...and anyone reading this thread knows it. if there was...youd gladly take a victory lap with it...thats your style. instead you continue to counter-punch with your face...thinking at some point your going to hurt your opponents hand.

““trump has done some pretty disgusting things in his personal life and professional life. if you look hard enough...so has every other billionaire and every other presidential candidate.”

“"yes...every presidential candidate...as well as mega wealthy person... has things in their past that with enough investigation would make them look "slimy". as slimy as trump? don't know...few have been delved into as deeply as trump.”

Either they all have or you don’t know. It’s a contradiction. Which is it? You drew a direct equivalency to Trump and said “every” meaning all. You think Mike Huckabee, Mike Pence, Barrack Obama, Jeb Bush, Bernie Sanders, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Elon Musk, Robert Koch, Warren Buffett have all done “pretty disgusting thing” like Trump? If yes, then show credible proof that all these presidential candidates and billionaires have done equally “pretty disgusting things.” Don’t cherry pick and intuition isn’t going to cut it. For your statement to be true you need credible proof for all those I listed. Be specific and post some sources. To be actually true you would need to go through all presidential candidates and all billionaires but stick with the small sample provided.

there are two different issues at play here...

1. does every candidate or billionaire have things in their past that given the right amount of investigation would make them look slimy? my answer was yes. That is an undeniable fact for every one of us...not just politicians and billionaires.

2. are they all as bad or as slimy as trump? my answer was that i didnt know because few if any have been investigated to the extent trump has. i even went so far as to say "either way its a red herring as i never said anyone was less than...equal to...or greater than" which you conveniently left out.

"Either they all have or you don’t know. which is it?"

it doesnt have to be one or the other...thats the point genius. "all have" and "don't know" were obviously in reference to two separate questions...they are not mutually exclusive.

keep punching with your face...at some point my hand my start hurting. you can have the last word...you bore me.

I do notice that once you’re out of options you go back to the ad hominem attacks. It’s your tell.