How do y'all think it will pan out?
I’m surrounded by the Deep Blue Sea, and I know plenty of people who would take just about anybody with a pulse and a normal EEG over Biden…
As long as it ain’t Trump. Or anyone who backs him.
Once every 4 years, I have an opportunity to cast One vote that might Matter. Republican Primary.
As a life-long Indie voter turned registered Republican, I refuse to waste my Once Every Four Years Meaningful Vote on anyone I would not leave alone in a room with my mom, wife, sister, niece, or daughter, if I had one…
Will he get to the bottom of the inside job on 9/11?
Or will he finally get to the bottom of Obama's birth certificate?
Was he a better president than what we have now? of course.
I get a kick out of the tin foil comments directed at the Trump supporters, i got to wonder, what part of highest inflation in 40 yrs...high gas prices....woke mentality, and all the nonsense do these people not understand?...if anyone is wearing a tin foil hat, it surely must be those supporting this democrat nonsense.
Like him or hate him.....Ya gotta admit Trump would be far better than what we currently have.
Good luck, Robb
" I'll vote constitution party or libertarian like last election."
Talk about tin hat supporters and then vote libertarian? That is without question stupidity on display. Your vote counted for N O T H I N G! To come on Bowsite and spew hatred for your percieved enemy isn't Christlike for the Christian you profess to be. Dude, repent. Praying for Donald Trump like Nancy Pelosi does isn't a commendable thing, it speaks of self-righteousness.
Lets face it....We now have a man that sometimes struggles to make a understandable speech. I knew he'd be a disaster, yet people still voted for him. I can't figure it, just like i cannot fathom how fetterman won here in PA ?....Right now this country is being run by Big city, populated liberal nonsense....That is where most of this stuff is coming from.
Not sure what we can do about that at this point, but i'm afraid Trump isn't it. I would wholeheartedly support his policies, i just think with all the mudslinging, and media bashing, and all the stuff the democrats keep trying to bust him with, he just won't win.
It is going to be hard to repair this country regardless. Vote in another democrat, and we are surely doomed.
the country is left of center and if not, enough people can be persuaded to vote that way. it takes a lot to overcome that. gas prices could be $8/gallon, a loaf of bread $10, and trump, pence, desantis, noem, etc. would still have no chance in a general election.
there may be enough voters for trump to win the nomination, but despite what some say, no one is afraid of him and he has zero chance of becoming potus again. if you're honest with yourself, you'll acknowledge his communication and ability to put together two sentences is at best, the same level as biden and fetterman.
two that come to mind that may have a chance if they could win the primary are tim scott and nikki haley.
"he just won't win" = the half empty glass He beat Hillary = the glass half full His Presidency shook up the business as usual in Washington = full glass overflowing
It was the deep state at risk of being dismantled that took down Nixon. Nixon won his second term in a landslide because of his efforts to reduce the size of the administrative state(aka drain the swamp to this generation). The enemy within our government who has no interest in answering to the people and thrives on strong central governmental control(the heart of socialism).
The lie is, Democrats have what is good for America in their hearts, while they line their pockets with money provided by the enemies of American values and American taxpayers.
The solution to the biggest of America's problems is an Article V, Convention of States. When the people of America apply the Constitutional remedy for tyranny it will work. Don't believe that? No surprise here. Well over half the readers of this thread cannot, off the top of their heads, name the five freedoms found in the 1ST Amemdment(Bill of Rights).
Every member of the State ought diligently to read and to study the constitution of his country, and teach the rising generation to be free. By knowing their rights, they will sooner perceive when they are violated, and be the better prepared to defend and assert them. - John Jay, first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
No, Trump will never be president again. Ever. I voted for him. Twice. And if anyone thinks the country is better now than 2019, well, as Mason said in "The Rock" I think you're a ****ing idiot. Still as mentioned, he's toxic, he's own worst enemy,... if he IS the candidate I will vote for him.
I look at this past election and compare it to the 1994 election. It was even on Nov 8. Went to bed that night knowing the repubs took the House. Woke up the next morning to hear they took the Senate as well. The NEXT day. Here we are over a week after the election, races still undecided. Why is that? Still "counting" ballots?
No, he's not....and the sooner we make him realize it, the sooner we can elect another Rep President.
More so if by some type of cosmic intervention he were to get the nomination.
The only fear being what some of the radical morons that support him might think they need to do to further his cause. Like kidnap governor's of states he can't win, try to take over government buildings and so on.
Or burn down police stations and neighborhoods, loot stores owned by hard working Americans, ambush and assassinate police officers, vandalize statues and businesses…etc, etc, etc.
Funny how it goes both ways ain’t it?!!!
Republicans need to understand that the bulk of the party IS Trump supporters.....not McConnell, Paul Ryan, Ducey, Christie or Romney supporters.....to even mention those names as being serious candidates is out of touch with reality.
If someone jumps the line and was to get the nod in a primary, the America First supporters would stay home in the general election, and they wouldn't win anyway.
Conservatives are done with the DC Uni-Party and like it or not, it's Trump's party. Your best bet is to ride the wave until he is out of politics because you won't beat his supporters.
I've voted for a few Dems in the past but they weren't leftist. If I can help it, I won't vote for a leftist or a Neocon..and those 2 I just described make up most of the 2 major parties we have in DC
Trump and or any other Republican. democratic, or Libertarian administration couldn't do one single thing differently to affect the economy or most of the other problems that we have. And to pretend otherwise is nothing but hero worship.
That ticket has the vote of all the guys on this site that have "anybody but Trump" sickness.
Last cycle I had a few thoughts come to mind. Now Ive got nothing. I could see Liz Cheney doing it. She'd never win the support - weird given policy wise almost no one was more in his camp in terms of voting record when he was president. But I just dont see any R's that seem able to either deflect the wrath or show their value beyond the noise he will make. It will be interesting.
I don't blame trump for the midterms, we were out spent by the democrats especially at the candidate level where it matters most. In addition the redistricting killed us, an analysis revealed if we had the same redistricting as 2020 we would have picked up 20 house seats. How did the republicans let that happen? The old school republicans better wake up and that includes Trump on early voting and ballot harvesting where legal. As far as young voters showing up they got played by Biden since the student loan forgiveness was clearly unconstitutional.
The economy would take care of itself
"As far as young voters showing up they got played by Biden" - Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Rush called them mush heads for a reason.
Ok let me have it! Glutton for punishment. ;-)
Why cant he just go away? I cant imagine spending?wasting the last of my years fighting like he's going to be fighting. His own daughter won't even support him this time.
No. She has an absolute pile of skeletons in her closet that the mainstream media can't wait to expose. Everyone likes her from afar....but when you live here you see the problems she will have at the national level. We need to win. Kristi won't help.
I like DeSantis/Gabbard! Sounds like a winner!
Orange lord: Hey trumpettes, interested in buying some swampland in mar-a-lago?
trumpettes: Of course orange lord, we'll do anything for you,...anything
Middle America: You gotta be kidding me. When are they ever gonna learn?
Now...if he is prosecuted and found guilty of insurrection at the Federal level (which isn't likely) then it COULD happen. It's only Liz and the Democrats because Mitch and Kevin let it be that way. Blame them.
Quit trying to promote nonsense.
Respect for the US among allies and enemies. Trade deals that benefit US citizens. Lowest unemployment in history among all categories. Record high stock market. Low interest rates. Booming housing market. Booming small business. Increased wages. Reasonable fuel prices. US energy independence. Fair tariffs on Chinese imports. Reduced federal regulations on business. Wall construction at southwest border reducing illegal immigrant invasion. Conservative federal judges and SCOTUS justices. General optimism and patriotism among the populace.
All these are good things and good conditions brought about by Trump's policies. Personally, I can tolerate a few human personality flaws to get the good this man did for the country. After all, aren't we all flawed to some degree?
So the flip side of your question "aren't we all flawed to some degree?" would be what do the "Biden haters" have against Biden?
Yeah, I guess the shutting down of XL pipeline just happened. And the Afghanistan debacle just happened. $5.75/gal diesel fuel, 8.5% yearly inflation just happened. Right? Name one thing Biden has done that hasn't turned to sh#t, or caused more trouble in the lives of the American people.
I generally liked his platform, but agree with 12yards that we can find a candidate who will drive the similar policies AND act like an adult while doing it.
fdp nailed it that most of the data points that many cite to justify Trump’s success (e.g. low unemployment/interest rates/inflation/gas prices) really having little to nothing to do with his policy decisions.
"Name one thing Biden has done that hasn't turned to sh#t, or caused more trouble in the lives of the American people." he hasn't DONE anything that has turned to dookey in my hands. I'm not crazy about the border situation. But he doesn't control inflation, high gas prices or shortages of goods and supplies any more than any other President can. UNLESS they become an Authoritarian Dictator.
Biden didn't create inflation. It's something that happens in economies. And our inflation rate is a lot better than the rates of some other major economies around the world. He doesn't create global supply issues either.
HahahahahahahahahHhHhHaahahahahahahahahahahahah That is f’n funny
is biden any less of shit human being? is obama any less of shit human being? at the end of the day it's about policy, not personality. do you want to vote for a shit human being who advocates for policies you agree with a shit human being that advocates for policies that you disagree with. when you get to the general election, thats what its all about.
She is liberal not leftist, that is why today's democrats dont like her.
A patriot that believes in the Constitution like her would make a great VP in my book.
Of course Trump/ Gabbard will never happen so I will settle for whoever he chooses in 2024.....
Why would a Trump hater like me promote him in 2024?
I can't believe so many of you believe the media narrative after all that's happened.
The Dems elected a senile fool and tell you that you shouldn't vote for toxic Trump and you agree. Wow.....
If anyone here truly believes that any Republican candidate running a conservative platform besides a Trump is going to be elected president, they are insane. It’s hasn’t happened in 30 years. And, will never happen again.
There are far too many illegal votes, mail in ballots, early voting, uniformed voters, and lied to and mislead voters for a conservative president besides a Trump like candidate to ever get elected.
I keep hearing about the moderate, the fringes of either party ruling, etc…. I want to know how running a moderate campaign is the key to success. Unless you’ve been under a rock for the half century, that hasn’t happened. Is 2024 going to be different?
The sad reality is outside a populist candidate with conservative values and a conservative platform, this country will never see a conservative president again.
This country is basically divided down the middle. It’s been common knowledge that’s the case since Mitt Romney said it. And politics isn’t friendly to the common fish. Offering something that isn’t isn’t flashy and doesn’t spur support in any way by the Republican Party isn’t the answer. The media will direct bias coverage and program the average American voter to go democrat. It’s what’s been happening and what will continue to happen to any moderate Republican.
Yet all the political gurus keep saying that isn’t the case. Right along with the defeated, sold out, mundane, spineless Republican Party. How’s that going for the “conservative platform” over the last 5 elections? Not well from my seat. But, maybe your seat is different. So, tell me what I’m missing.
Basically, how is promoting the same course which has failed miserably, suddenly going to result in a different outcome?
I don’t know but, with half the votes in this country divided down the party lines, how do we support another blah, middle of the road Republican as the answer? It ain’t worked for a long time and it isn’t going to work in 2024 either.
I agree, Trump is hard to listen to at times. And, he maybe he is dead in the running. But, it’s the division among supposed conservatives causing this uncertainty. And, it’s your beloved Republican Party causing it. Not Trump.
"Trump running essentially guarantees the democrats will win presidency."
Sad but true.
There is not now, and there will not be a better Republican candidate than Trump, nor a more effective US President. Name a president since WWII who accomplished half as much as Trump. And, as stated elsewhere, he made it look easy. And......he did it in less than 4 years. On the other hand, it has only taken 19 months for Biden, Shumer, and Pelosi to tear it all down. I guess they're better at destruction than Trump is at construction.
Trump was fine. The nonstop attacks and inability for many to realize that dumping him for a better personality resulted in a crappy President with just as many character flaws. I like DeSantis so far but he will be villanized, impeached, and put through the wringer by the left as well. It won't change my opinion of him but obviously for many it will.
It sounds like the blue team and media won’t be the only teams trying to smear DeSantis.
Both in my estimation are far better/more ethical people than Trump, and I am surprised you think it is even a question. I don't care for either's politics, but neither seems to be nearly as despicable a person as Donald Trump.
"There is not now, and there will not be a better Republican candidate than Trump, nor a more effective US President."
God help us if that is true, because the republican party would be beyond screwed.
"I get the feeling that after the media and the Democrats put the smear machine in overdrive against DeSantis, many here will abandon him."
Trump didn't need the democrats or the media to ruin his reputation, he did a fine job all on his own. He is such a narcissist, I don't think he couldn't help himself. I doubt DeSantis would be so stupid.
The difference is that Kamala can call Biden a racist and sexual predator during a primary and and the media drops it.
The Democrat plan for winning is Orange Man Bad. I won't help them with that narrative or with Tan Man Bad if DeSantis becomes the target.
Leading upto the nomination of the Republican candidate, media coverage will purposely favor and lightly promote the Republican candidate that stands the least chance of beating the democrat nominee. In a hope the morons making up the Republican Party will vote another candidate besides the Trump like DeSantis. All while over driving anything that will smear DeSantis. So, No matter who the GOP produces, the trough fed, broke back moderate Republican voter will fall right inline and cast their losing vote. Pity partying that was the only choice they had. And we will still have another democrat president in 2024.
These occurrences aren’t a coincidence. And, it leaves many options of attack for the democrat party. Which is a well oiled, turbo charged campaign machine. Yet, in all its flaws and pathetic campaigning by the Republican Party, these failures will still be blamed on Trump.
I expect Mike Pence will be the media darling this time around. Then if he wins the primary the knives come out and in the end we chalk up another McCain, Romney cycle.
The democrats did just that in the mid-terms, and even funded the campaigns of a number of republicans who they believed their candidates would beat. Most were Trump-endorsed, and the strategy worked quite well.
You do realize you are arguing against yourself here? On second thought, I retract the question because you probably don't.
We will control the media, your work, your homes and your children, and you will follow along like good little sheep.
Big city voters, run the show. ....The breadbaskets of the world, controlled by row housing, and crime infested streets.......
Freedom? even the democrats use the word. But the realization is their kind of freedom is...your free to join our circus, but your not free to disagree, just shut up and follow along.
i think youre being extremely naive...just plain partisan... or completely dishonest yourself. neither biden nor obama are any more or less ethical than trump...the only difference is that they have not been subjected to the media colonoscopy that trump has had to endure...and they have both had an entire mainstream media complex running cover for them. trump is a boisterous ny city blowhard no doubt... but he is choirboy compared to both in terms of political lies and corruption...and they are all mother teresas compared to the clintons.
Why put so much effort to impeach, investigate if he is not a threat?
Keep believing the media and acting like Joe grabbing, restraining, and sniffing little children against their will is not sexual harassment and pedophilia.
At least Trump is grabbing most of you adults by the p****...
You won’t hear much about Trump until things start shaping up for the 2024 election. The left is making a new list and checking it twice. The new false accusations will flow free and plentiful. They’ll only hound him when he starts to interrupt their quest for power.
"Both in my estimation are far better/more ethical people than Trump, and I am surprised you think it is even a question."
The media painted Obama as a young, good looking, charismatic, fresh face, that would take the Democratic Party to great new levels. He fooled the masses with his pretty smile and smooth talk. But make no mistake, he’s a master at hiding his evil side when it comes to being the swamp master.
If Trump is as big of a criminal as people are being led to believe, why would he even be qualified to run for president again? Supposedly he’s a traitor, a rapist, killed people and democracy on J6, heck, I’m surprised they haven’t accused him of hiring Paul Pelosi attacker. Yet there is currently no proof of anything that disqualifies him from potentially becoming the president of the United States again. So how does that work?
Trump has a team of lawyers throwing every possible delay at every investigation into his business. (6 years and Congress *still* doesn't have his tax returns.) That's all going to end soon.
Biden can’t handle one semi critical question without getting ugly.
It was a rant for sure. I didn't provide a link or cite a source so take it or leave it for what it's worth, a grain of salt type of thing. Anyway, nice one I got a chuckle!
Good luck this season.
He said 10,000 jobs lost. It was actually 11,000. But who’s counting. All you have to do is type in Keystone job losses.
Oh…well that’s different. My bad!
any job lost when the keystone pipeline was shut down was absolutely under bidens direct control. any job lost as a result of a vaccine mandate was absolutely under bidens direct control.
Most people knew what would happen when the pipeline was shut down..not hard to figure out.
No, you can't blame everything on Biden but regardless of what the media says Biden has done a good job carrying on the leftist agenda. Too bad the Republicans ain't got a backbone. Unfortunately, somebody votes for these leftist and Neocons.