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Buying land...KY or OH?
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Contributors to this thread:
Whitty 11-Dec-22
fdp 11-Dec-22
t-roy 11-Dec-22
Bou’bound 11-Dec-22
Whitty 11-Dec-22
Twinetickler 11-Dec-22
Pat Lefemine 11-Dec-22
JG420 11-Dec-22
TREESTANDWOLF 11-Dec-22
Bowfreak 11-Dec-22
Whitty 11-Dec-22
Iowa_Bowhunter 11-Dec-22
Bigdog 21 11-Dec-22
Bowfreak 11-Dec-22
W 12-Dec-22
Whitty 24-Jan-23
Overland 24-Jan-23
Dclark 24-Jan-23
t-roy 25-Jan-23
Franzen 25-Jan-23
Pat Lefemine 25-Jan-23
deerhunter72 25-Jan-23
Iowa_Bowhunter 25-Jan-23
South Farm 25-Jan-23
South Farm 25-Jan-23
Zbone 25-Jan-23
KHNC 25-Jan-23
Whitty 25-Jan-23
KY EyeBow 26-Jan-23
Horn Hustler 26-Jan-23
From: Whitty
11-Dec-22
At a place in life where dreams could become reality. Wanting to buy 40-80 acres of mostly timber in either southern Ohio or somewhere in Kentucky for deer/turkey hunting (and investment) with a budget of $150,000. Ohio has some great properties in Lawrence and Scioto counties (have already walked a few) and lot's of Wayne Nat. forest as well to expand my hunting area. Kentucky is appealing (specifically western) and has more ag land...it certainly has been getting the hype lately. Am I missing other parts of Ky? Why wouldn't the deer hunting just on the KY side of the Ohio river be just as good as the Ohio side? Lewis, Greenup, Boyd, and Lawrence counties are all zone 2 counties and border Ohio across from the areas I'm looking at buying...anybody have any feedback on those counties or others in the state I should focus on? Cost per acre is less in KY. Have hunted Illinois the last 20yrs with multiple chances at P&Y every year so I'm truly only interested in areas with 140"+ potential...just stating where I'm coming from to help frame some answers perhaps. Thanks in advance! Matt

From: fdp
11-Dec-22
I lived in Pike County Ohio for several years when I worked up there.

Both states have good and bad features economically and from a hunting point of view. That part of Ohio has a severe Meth problem, and a high poverty level. The Wayne is deceptive in that it doesn't have large chunks of adjoining acreage. There is private property scattered all through it. The Shawnee is good, and in my opinion better than the Wayne. Tar Hollow is also good. Depending on where you settle it might be a hike to get to some of the "city" attractions. Chillicothe is ok, but not great. I never cared for Portsmouth or Ironton. Columbus is a nice town As for the Kentucky side, economically it is or was worse. I was never a fan of the Ashland, Kentucky area.

Personally my experience is if you are looking for a place that offers above average opportunities for 140 and above deer, that ain't the place.

From: t-roy
11-Dec-22
Are you looking to move to the area, or just going to commute to it when you’re able to?

From: Bou’bound
11-Dec-22
Look at Ohio seasons and KY seasons and you will see why ky is not like Ohio even in places where they are only separated by a mile or so.

From: Whitty
11-Dec-22
fdp - Great info and Ironton to Portsmouth and back over towards Waterloo was the area I have been looking.

t-roy - Not looking to move as this will be just a recreational land purchase...longer term plans is to build some sort of small cabin.

Bou'bound - Ky rifle seasons during the rut certainly doesn't bode well for older age/bigger bucks but it still seems to produce somehow. Just not sure how other counties than the ones in the far western side hold up to quality/quantity.

Great feedback so far, thanks!

From: Twinetickler
11-Dec-22
Those counties in Kentucky get hammered by rifle hunters and archery hunters. Another issue will be if you aren't there all the time your property will be hunted regardless of how many no trespassing signs you put up. I would look at smaller plots in Ohio or even Indiana along the Ohio River. Rising Sun, Lawrenceburg areas in Indiana. One of the biggest bucks I've ever seen was just outside Batavia, Ohio. A friend killed one in his backyard that was over 180 just outside Batavia on a 5 acre piece.

From: Pat Lefemine
11-Dec-22
I looked at land in both Scioto And Lawrence counties. Way better prices down there than where I bought.

But…as someone mentioned, seriously depressed area and zero chance I was going to have any chance of keeping trespassers out of my ground. And with all the meth and addiction rates no way I was gonna be able to keep anything of value at a house or cabin.

Also, I would never buy land adjoining public ground, ever. You need at least 2-3 properties of buffer.

To be honest, your budge is pretty low for good ground in Ohio. You can get 2x the land in Kentucky generally for the same price.

My 2c.

From: JG420
11-Dec-22
I hunt Southern Ohio every year and love it, with that said it is Meth heaven cause it’s so back woods. It really is sad how beautiful the land is and how ugly the humans are. Guy I hunt with down there says everyone speaks Methanise.

11-Dec-22
I have no opinion on the options you mention.

There are others though.

Incredibly sad to hear how drugs are so rampant is these areas.

Not to highjack your post, but depending on your intent, commute or live near, there should be better options.

Best of luck and I hope you get to fulfill your dream. It certainly is a good feeling.

From: Bowfreak
11-Dec-22
The counties you mention in KY don’t get hammered in archery season. Quite the opposite. You will see a lot of activity on public land early and then before rifle comes in. Rifle season gets busy but compared to 20 years ago there is less pressure overall. The only issue with getting 40 acres in those counties is that it won’t hunt anything like 40 acres in the Midwest. It will hunt much smaller because of the steep terrain making some portions of your property relatively unhuntable due to wind.

From: Whitty
11-Dec-22
More like 6c. Pat lol. Funny you bring up being 2-3 properties away from public as both pieces I've looked at have public on at least one border. I did walk the border of one piece and a good bit of the public that adjoined it extensively and didn't see any signs of stands, foot traffic, or tree's that had been climbed. It was mid Oct however.

Drugs/meth have been a common theme sadly and it is certainly a shame.

11-Dec-22
Lived in south central Ohio for more than a decade. Vast majority of the "cheap" land in Lawrence, Pike or Scioto counties comes at a cost. As has already been mentioned, areas that are in deep poverty, meth, bad neighbors, dueling banjos country. On top of that, most of the cheap land is growing-up cutover. Deer, yes, and some big ones, but not the easiest hunting. Not as familiar with conditions and prices further east, but I know they kill some absolute studs in Washington, Morgan and Noble counties. Pretty rough country much of that area, but some big deer. Further east you get in Ohio, more likely you are to run into land where the surface rights are for sale but minerals are not, as that area gets closer to the Marcellus Shale.

Far as Kentucky goes, I think generally staying in the western half you're going to have better hunting for good bucks. East half of Kentucky in a lot of places is going to take the downsides of southern Ohio and about triple them. Land is cheap, but there's a reason. My gut is overall you're going to get more bang for your buck in the western half of Kentucky than southern Ohio, rifle season in Kentucky notwithstanding.

I live in southern Iowa now and would certainly recommend here before anywhere in Ohio or Kentucky, though you'd find it hard to find good land here in the price range you mentioned. I'd suggest Kansas as a place to look that has reasonably priced land for sale, with a higher upside on buck quality and not as many of the downsides of southern Ohio or eastern Kentucky.

From: Bigdog 21
11-Dec-22
Alot would depend on taxes also..

From: Bowfreak
11-Dec-22
Western KY is great but expect land prices to be in line with midwest states. Western KY is much more like Illinois or Iowa than it is Eastern KY.

From: W
12-Dec-22
I’d consider committing distance from home.

From: Whitty
24-Jan-23
Just a quick update...after looking at a few more properties, closed on a 50 acre piece in western Kentucky yesterday. It checked all the boxes and I couldn't be more excited!

From: Overland
24-Jan-23
Congratulations! I'm sure you'll be happy with it. Post a few pics of it when you can, and then next season a trophy pic.

From: Dclark
24-Jan-23
Just curious which county in western ky.

From: t-roy
25-Jan-23
Congrats on your purchase, Whitty, and thank you for keeping us updated, as well. Oftentimes, someone will post a thread looking for advice or questions about something, and they’re never to be heard from again.

From: Franzen
25-Jan-23
Post up a photo. If you got a quality 50 with at least income potential in western KY for $150k or less you might've done pretty well.

From: Pat Lefemine
25-Jan-23
Western KY is awesome country. Congratulations!

From: deerhunter72
25-Jan-23
Congratulations! Hope it is everything you want it to be. Appreciate the update.

25-Jan-23
Nice, glad to hear it.

From: South Farm
25-Jan-23
Good grief guys. Meth is a problem everywhere, not resigned to "poverty" stricken rural areas. I can go to any affluent metropolitan neighborhood toss a rock and be within distance of a house that is either cooking, selling, or using meth. That said, using your $150k budget, have you given any thought to a smaller parcel in a better area? I guess my point is half the acreage in a really good area will hunt much better than twice the acreage in a lesser quality area...and I'm referring to the deer, not the people that live there.

From: South Farm
25-Jan-23
Oops, looks like I'm late to the party as usual! Congrats on the land purchase! I hope it's everything you dreamed it would be.

From: Zbone
25-Jan-23
I hear banjos, paddle faster...8^)))

Congrats on your land purchase...

From: KHNC
25-Jan-23
Nice! Some great public land deer hunting in Western KY in the paducah area as well. You should be good on your purchase!

From: Whitty
25-Jan-23
Thanks everyone...on the southeast Muhlenberg/Butler county line and all woods but crop fields W and S. Cleared a .15 acre foodplot area to start and put up two gates on the access roads. Some of the keys I was looking for were good access (all from east) with utilities available (has both power and water at road), water feature of some sort (two creeks), and varied habitat. The way the land lays it seems way bigger and will hunt large for it's size. Cleared .25 acres at the road for a cabin of some sort in the future. The list of projects to prioritize is getting quite large and a bit overwhelming but exciting at the same time!

From: KY EyeBow
26-Jan-23
Congrats. That should be a good area

From: Horn Hustler
26-Jan-23
You buy land in west KY thats wooded you can do ok. KY just change some of it tax laws. If your older you can do purty well if you move on it. Ly Ml and rifle season is short but its a one buck state. So, even if hets hits hard many bucks can get some age on them. Its a bait state however. Bh

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