Rage Trypan NC Penetrtion
Equipment
If you have any experience with this head and the collared Trypan, what are your thoughts? I have an extremely small sample size at this time but I shot a doe with one on Friday afternoon. She was hard quartering away. The arrow hit her behind the last rib and poked through the sternum a few inches behind the front legs. I held a little low in case she dropped so my entrance was a little lower than optimal, but the arrow traveled through guts, liver and under the lungs. I saw her disappear into a thicket about 70 yards away and never came out. After giving her some time I got down to track her. Like just about everything I have ever shot with a Trypan there was a great blood trail so I continued tracking. When I got to her she was still barely alive. I ended up putting another arrow in her while she was bedded down. This shot was through the shoulder blade and into the lungs. This arrow stopped before it exited the other side more than likely due to hitting the opposite shoulder. She died quickly after that. Both arrows penetrated less than I had hoped, but it wasn't completely unexpected as I wondered if the NC system might rob a little of the penetrating ability compared to the OG Trypan. Again....I realize this is one animal so I am asking if anyone else has any real world experience?.
I have not shot a lot of trypans, but those results seem on par for what I would expect of a large cutting expandable. I personally cannot imagine the NC design robs any significant energy from the arrow. But I’m not an engineer or as smart as a lot of guys on BS.
I can tell you that I hate the collar deaign on the old ones, the NC is a big step up IMO. I’d prefer the rubber bands to the shock collars.
—Jim
Jim,
I shot a lot of deer with the Killzone and those things rob energy like crazy. They are not easy to open. I switched to the OG Trypan and could see a significant difference in penetration. The Trypan penetrated much better than I would expect and it was significantly better than the Killzone. I was so impressed with the performance of the Trypan that I elk hunted with them. As well as the Trypan performed and as deadly as they were, I could not deal with heads constantly opening in my quiver so I started shooting other heads. I haven't found a head that kills faster than the Trypan so I wanted to try the NCs to see how they stack up. The NC system is great, I just hope they penetrate as well as the OG.
I've shot probably a half a dozen deer with Trypan NCs. I don't think I had anything but complete pass troughs. But shooting through a full grass bag and shoulder blade might be the problem.
Probably so Boreal, that is what I am asking what others think of them.
I just bought 4 packs of the OG Trypans. Going to be used for deer and bears. I’m going to go the rubber band route on them, as 1)They will always be closed in my quiver and 2)they actually lay closer to the Ferrell which should make them fly even better.
No experience with them, only the 1.5 +P and they worked great on a bear and deer this year.
Cazador,
I considered doing that to the OG’s too. I even bought the dental bands but never went through with it. Let us know when you shoot something with them.
The ole 'poor penetration from a mech head' scenario.....
how well do you know your system?
Do you BH tune? Do you spin check on a straightener? Did the blades become loose when removing it from your quiver? Did the arrow fly perfectly, no wobble? Are you shooting enough arrow weight for those to function properly?
Poor penetration is usually from a very light arrow matched to a mech head....and/or the bowhunter just screws them on assuming they fly perfectly without checking- FYI, they don't, you have to tune and spin check your arrows.
Bruce,
You are a broken record. Go away.
I use them and they do serious damage… serious damage… 3 finger long holes. I’ve shot several deer with them.
No experience with the new NC but have a fair amount of experience with the collar style Trypans absolutely devastating.
Rage Hypos with collars have always rocked for me. I have shot the NC also with good results.
This year I killed my buck arrow went in hip and came out opposite side. Let’s say I got lucky. Dead 250 lb buck in 40 yards. It was quartering away and turned on me last second.
I don't use mechanicals anymore due to some recovery issues. Plus they pick up brush, and sticks every once in a while and it seriously affects flight if they do.
What you are describing is similar to a shot I had on a doe more than 10 years ago. Quartering away hit behind the ribs came out the other side in front of the front leg. She only went about 40 yards before expiring. I know Rage fans don't like to hear it but this was a quick recovery using 4 blade Muzzy fixed blade with weights behind it. Good thing too cause we got over a foot of snow shortly afterwards..
I think on deer sized game most well built sharp mechanicals would be fine if tuned well and put through the lungs. Elk and larger sized game not so much.
To be fair though I do think if I were going to use a mechanical on elk sized game it would be a rear deploying narrower design like some I have seen from Rage. I think that design gives the best chance for better penetration.
I've shot fixed 2 edge for most of my 40+ years bowhunting. Doesn't mean I haven't shot others cause I have. Plenty of em in fact including mechanicals. When rages first came out myself like plenty of others were impressed by the large entrance holes they made but after killing several deer with em I again returned to my trusty old fixed 2 edge. Big holes are good penitration is better. Or at least it's been the case for me.
“She was hard quartering away. The arrow hit her behind the last rib and poked through the sternum a few inches behind the front legs. ”
Just a question: so that was how many inches of penetration??? And how many inches of sternum did you cut through?
JMO: your problem there was not a lack of penetration or being too low, but that your shot angle was off. If the exit had been a few inches IN FRONT of the forelegs, she’d most likely have tipped over right quick… unless she didn’t. Because sometimes… trying to remember if it was Ambush or GG who had that deer last year that was dead on its feet and too thick-headed to figure it out for a good hour or so.
But FWIW, when I hunted with a scoped rifle, on a quartering shot I always centered the vertical wire in the airspace between the forelegs so as to avoid shooting up either shoulder, and there’s a lot in between them that’s worth hitting. Same deal with an arrow (except I’m a whole lot less likely to take quartering-to). I don’t know where you were holding, but it sounds like your placement ended up too far back, for whatever reason.
But yeah, if you have any concerns with penetration, try a heavier arrow and/or a head that offers less resistance. We’ve got a guy on the Wall who just got his first with a recurve; #38 vintage bow and an arrow just short of 600 grains, and a really nice, big old doe with a complete pass-through she didn’t even notice until she was already dead.
I don’t know if that arrow was moving fast enough to say that it “zipped” through, but it sure didn’t slow down much.
Not all bows are made equal. I use a Bowtech Assassin that ends deer in less than 100 yards, sometimes in a few seconds. Using the same heads on my Mathews ZXT gets completely different results and they are both set at 70#.
Yea the bows making the difference, what an ass ??
Thornton, 260 fps is 260 fps if it is the same arrow. Doesn’t matter what shot it.
Have shot collared and non collared trypan the last 3years killing about 15 deer. Don't notice any diff between them. Does I can get full pass thru on the shoulders. Bucks I stay far far away from shoulders =)
Hit a huge Ohio buck in the scapula in 2019 with regular Trypan. Ferrule broke off and no penetration. Now i understand how i may not have gotten penetration, but no excuse for the ferrule breaking on those. This was after two other successful buck kills with amazing entry and exit holes. Dropped in sight. However, i wont trust them again.
Shot a buck last night with the Trypan NC. Quartered away at 46 yards. 60 lb Mathews Phase 4 28.5 draw. Hit mid body exited to the fletching in front of off shoulder. Deer went 60 yards. This is my first deer with the Trypan NC and it performed as expected.
And a decent blood trail…
