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HBOM 22-Dec-22
Dino 22-Dec-22
midwest 22-Dec-22
HBOM 22-Dec-22
HBOM 22-Dec-22
Charlie Rehor 22-Dec-22
WV Mountaineer 22-Dec-22
midwest 23-Dec-22
Grey Ghost 23-Dec-22
fdp 23-Dec-22
Rocky D 23-Dec-22
wyobullshooter 23-Dec-22
Rocky D 23-Dec-22
fdp 23-Dec-22
Rocky D 23-Dec-22
wyobullshooter 23-Dec-22
Bowboy 23-Dec-22
fdp 23-Dec-22
HBOM 23-Dec-22
wyobullshooter 23-Dec-22
Rocky D 23-Dec-22
HBOM 23-Dec-22
fdp 23-Dec-22
x-man 23-Dec-22
Rocky D 23-Dec-22
Aces11 23-Dec-22
HBOM 24-Dec-22
bb 24-Dec-22
JW 24-Dec-22
GFL 24-Dec-22
From: HBOM
22-Dec-22

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I had a post a few weeks back where I confessed my terrible case of target panic and was seeking guidance on the Scott longhorn hunter hinge release. I purchased the release but still found me rotating my wrist super fast to command the shot (on a trainer). I have since returned it and bought the silverback tension release from Nock on. I had filmed this video in slow motion not sure why on YouTube it’s sped up. But regardless I put it on for everyone’s thoughts. I have tough skin and am already at an all time low in archery based on the target panic so don’t worry about hurt feelings let me have it. I’m starting completely over (been archery hunting for about 20 years). What about my form? Positions etc. I closed my eyes this evening while practicing each shot.

I have watched all of the Dudley videos several times, and will continue to revisit them. I intend on practicing with the trainer for 30 days then blank bale shooting for 30 days before ever trying to put a pin on a target.

Thanks for any insight y’all have.

Merry Christmas!

From: Dino
22-Dec-22
Daniel! Looks good u r well on your way man! Commit and stay with the process!

From: midwest
22-Dec-22
This video is made for you...

From: HBOM
22-Dec-22
Thanks for all your help Dean, ?? committed to seeing it through!

From: HBOM
22-Dec-22
Thank you for the video Midwest I’ll check it out for sure!

22-Dec-22
Shot IQ, the release is not very important when you follow Joel’s process.

22-Dec-22
Target panic is a bad deal. Keep working on it. If that don’t get it, put the bow down for a while. Wait until April or June to pick it back up. And don’t over shoot when you come back. Is my advice.

From: midwest
23-Dec-22
I gotta disagree with WV. The only way to beat it is to work on it every day. Even if you’re not releasing arrows.

From: Grey Ghost
23-Dec-22
I'm with Midwest, you don't get rid of target panic by ignoring it. The same old bad habits will return. You have to re-program your brain, which takes dedication and diligence.

Daniel, it looks like you're on your way. Good luck.

Matt

From: fdp
23-Dec-22
It's like anything else, there isn't one absolute cure/method that works for everybody. WV is right in that for some folks putting the bow down for a while can be very beneficial to some folks to clear out their head, for some folks not so much. For some folks blank bale works great, for some folks not so much.

Bottom.line is its a mental thing and you have to find What works for you.

From: Rocky D
23-Dec-22
Target panic is simply your reptilian brain overriding the frontal lobe!

This is why you see people flinch when they pull the trigger and the safety is on because subconsciously they are preparing for the explosion when the gun goes bang.

This is why you see most of the proposed cures focus on practicing with the instrument that goes bang.

Do this often enough and it becomes muscle memory and thus part of your shot sequence!

It’s all in the mind so no matter how hard you physically try to overcome it you will have little success.

In pistol shooting we try have the shooter to keep his eyes open throughout the shot process. Blinking is where the the autonomic nervous system takes control and causes the flinch.

Once you have suffered from it it becomes more frontal lobe then doubt, uncertainty, and ultimately our confidence is undermined!

23-Dec-22
Agree with Charlie. Shot IQ is a great resource. Also agree 100% with midwest that putting off addressing your issue will do absolutely nothing towards ingraining a correct shot sequence, which is critical to keeping TP under control.

From: Rocky D
23-Dec-22
“ your issue will do absolutely nothing towards ingraining a correct shot sequence, which is critical to keeping TP under control.”

First you must break the habit before try to ingrain a new shot sequence so even though I don’t necessarily agree with Midwest I wouldn’t dismiss it based on limited understanding of the overall problem.

From: fdp
23-Dec-22
Something that is rarely discussed in TP conversations is that all problems aren't the same. Some people prematurely release, some people have difficulty getting the sight aid on the target, some people can't put the sight aid in the proper place on the target. And....in some cases folks can execute a shot sequence flawlessly as long as there is no target on the backstop. Add a target, and it all comes back.

From: Rocky D
23-Dec-22
“ Something that is rarely discussed in TP conversations is that all problems aren't the same.”

FDP, you have to go to the root cause of the problem instead of treating symptoms!

23-Dec-22
“First you must break the habit before try to ingrain a new shot sequence so even though I don’t necessarily agree with Midwest I wouldn’t dismiss it based on limited understanding of the overall problem.”

The only way to stop a bad shot sequence is to stop repeating that bad shot sequence. That’s accomplished by repeating a new correct shot sequence over the course of thousands and thousands of shots. I assumed incorrectly that most people understand that you need to stop performing an incorrect shot sequence before you can start performing it correctly. Good grief.

From: Bowboy
23-Dec-22
Yep another vote for shot IQ. As stated TP never goes away.

From: fdp
23-Dec-22
Rocky D you are right. Which doesn't change the fact that TP manifests in different ways and the cure is different for different people.

From: HBOM
23-Dec-22
Thank you all for the replies. I actually was looking into shot iq as well earlier in the week.

For those of you who have went through shot iq were you able to implement the changes both physical and mental on your own? I don’t have a nearby range or shop to help assist as a coach, thankful for you bowsiters who have been helping me in this process. I truly appreciate it.

23-Dec-22
HBOM, PM sent.

From: Rocky D
23-Dec-22
“ Rocky D you are right. Which doesn't change the fact that TP manifests in different ways and the cure is different for different people.”

FDP, people are part of the equation and what is effective on one is not effective on another but people are part of the problem!

First you have to have buy into the methodology, secondly not all people fully buy into the process, and lastly no one has determined what is truly effective for TP!

If I remember correctly back psych 101 we were taught about the rule of a thousand, one third gets better, one third stays the same, and one third gets worse.

Until, I see a process that actually attacks the problem fully I would conclude that it is going to be more based on the individual than the overall process!

If they are not using visualization, breathing exercises, meditation, and perhaps hypnosis then most are attacking the problem at a physical level and not a psychological one.

In actuality, when you fully explore performance enhancement which is rooted in sports psychology there could be a myriad of problems that is not even related to the shot process.

Just look at the difference in Tom Brady’s performance this year compared to two years ago and one can only assume that his personal life has a lot to do with it other missing some key components on the field.

Men are notoriously harder to coach than women because we are more disagreeable by nature.

I had friend who was selected to coach many all star team’s and she focused her selections on speed and coachability.

She said that she couldn’t coach speed and she couldn’t coach an athlete if they wouldn’t listen.

I saw a neat YouTube video about coach K coaching one of the Olympic teams when I think either Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant asked to talk to him after practice.

Of course Coach K was concerned but when they talked the player asked him to look at his shot. This calmed the coach’s concerns because he new that the other players would follow their lead.

Now, if we go to looking at where problems manifest then we would have to look at all the micro functions of the process.

It is normal for anyone who is trying to improve to suffer anxiety to some degree. This is where learning and improving occurs! This is why you constantly hear that you have to move out of your comfort zone!

From: HBOM
23-Dec-22
Thank you all for the replies. I actually was looking into shot iq as well earlier in the week.

For those of you who have went through shot iq were you able to implement the changes both physical and mental on your own? I don’t have a nearby range or shop to help assist as a coach, thankful for you bowsiters who have been helping me in this process. I truly appreciate it.

From: fdp
23-Dec-22
Gary Sentman walked me through getting beyond TP.

From: x-man
23-Dec-22
I know that video was just using a trainer but,... your draw length is at least an inch too long in that video. Train with exactly the same draw length as your bow. If it is already, then please shorten your draw. As a coach, that is the first thing I do, is start from scratch and make sure the bow fits the archer.

Remember, practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

From: Rocky D
23-Dec-22
FDP, I’m glad it worked out for you!

I was lucky and never had to deal with it!

From: Aces11
23-Dec-22
HBOM I had terrible target panic. I didn’t know if I would ever shoot again. I took the shot iq course and it was a big help. I did a lot of blank bale shooting as well. I think the silver back is a great release to help get over target panic. Really helped me get used to having my pin float on target and be comfortable pulling through the shot. Time and commitment and you will surely get through it. Good luck!,

From: HBOM
24-Dec-22
Thanks xman I will shorten it up. Thanks for the encouragement Aces, I am at that point you were at as well. Hoping the course and the release help.

Merry Christmas all.

From: bb
24-Dec-22
I had a very bad case of target panic. I tried everything, all the books on it all the gimmicks, the only thing that worked for me...the only thing as I was able to beat everything else. I followed Dudleys process and the Silverback release is what cured it. I found that I had to take the manipulation of a trigger completely out of the equation. I could hold the sight on the target all day as long as my finger wasn't touching the trigger. Once I started to extend my finger to reach the trigger, my bow arm would drop. It would drop at the same rate that my finger was extended. I got good at dealing with it though, but I couldn't get rid of it until I switched to that back tension release with no trigger.

From: JW
24-Dec-22
Daniel, keep working at it and it’ll get better. Lots of good advice above. I’ve had bouts with TP over the years like many here as well. One thing that a friend of mine suggested to me REALLY helped. I changed to a bow with adjustable letoff. Many bows can accomplish this with different mods, draw stops, etc. Many of todays hunting bows with really high letoff make it difficult to shoot with proper back tension. When I have a higher holding weight it makes executing a surprise release with back tension much easier compared to less weight. 85% letoff and higher for me is no bueno, 70% - 80% is my sweet spot. Maybe worth a shot? Best of luck!

From: GFL
24-Dec-22
I would highly recommend Shot IQ. Everyone’s brain is wired for target panic. You just learn to keep it asleep. I actually still elk and deer hunt with a hinge. Follow Joel’s advice and you’ll learn to keep it asleep.

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