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So they do the stealth ban- attack gun manufacturers, Ammo, etc

The don't review the purchase of reloading supplies.

Does anyone put people through federal background checks for bullets.

NYS has even surpassed Massafornia and Commiefornia as the WORST state for gun owners. Ruled by Demtards, thnks to NYC.

Without one or the other, you can’t purchase ammo in CT.

CA does, so you know it must be a good idea. It is much simpler/quicker than for buying a gun, but required each time you purchase. Not sure if there is a CCW/LEO exemption.

To make it even worse, not only does mail-ordered ammo need to go through an FFL, but the state also makes them the revenue agent to determine if the seller charged sales tax. If not, they are required to charge it.

If I’m going to be required to give up just as much personal information to buy a box of .22s or skeet loads as I am for a carry permit…? Might as well just get the permit.

Thanks for the paper cut and lemon juice. Appreciate it.

No doubt!

It’s about enough to make you yearn for a little balance between states’ rights & constitutional guarantees….

Matt

The government entities that are passing these regulations in certain areas will call me stupid for asking this question but, what is the point of this? What are you trying to prevent with this?

Once they answer this question, they will get their ass handed to them with actual facts that will prove this is completely asinine. There isn't one intelligent answer they can come up with, that can't be shot full of holes. (Pardon the pun)

Great idea, except that would be illegal.

From your post above: "There are only four states that require a firearms ID card. New Jersey, Illinois ,Alaska, and Hawaii." Where the heck did you get the idea that a firearms ID is needed in Alaska?

You are incorrect.

Pete

Your gun check isn’t good for X days years months on the form 4473 it is good for that individual purchase.

Try buying a gun two days in a row and telling them on day two no check is needed because you were screened yesterday. You will not be making that purchase. This is what some are pushing for ammo purchases.

It is illegal to bring ammo bought out of state into CA, but strangely I think that only applies to CA residents.

If you want to buy one box ox ammo in CA; first, they won’t let you examine/touch the box, its the law. Then you have to fill out lengthy forms to buy it, one box or many and its all new paperwork for different calibers, bullet weights, etc.

Essentially- your new President to be; the liberal Dem Newsome, has made it as difficult as possible for law abiding citizens to buy guns- restricted by ‘The Roster’ or buy ammo. The rest of you will find out if this clown is elected president. He wrecks everything he touches.

Thats the law abiding folks…on the other hand the crooks and thugs have no problem buying guns and ammo on the streets to commit crimes ….and its a toss up whether they are right back on the street or get held in jail due to liberal Dem policy of ‘no bail’.

Go figure.

That's what Chicago does. They blame their 'hood killings on the people who live 50+ miles away because they own guns. But, Illinois IS a Democrat controlled state, so that's standard operating procedure.

Never mind that the most egregious killings in the past few weeks were one guy who legally bought a MAC-10 in CA in the 1990's and a gang murder of a family at a residence the police had visited in the weeks prior due to drug activity. It is the law-abiding who bear the brunt.

Or they can check the Project Baltimore site to see how that Dem Leadership is working out; ( from Fox Balitmore)

Project Baltimore combed through the scores at all 150 City Schools where the state math test was given.

Project Baltimore found, in 23 Baltimore City schools, there were zero students who tested proficient in math. Not a single student.

“It just sounds like these schools, now, have turned into essentially babysitters with no accountability,” said Patterson. “This is the future of our city. We’ve got to change this.”

Among the list of 23 schools, there are 10 high schools, eight elementary schools, three Middle/High schools and two Elementary/Middle schools.

Exactly 2,000 students, in total, took the state math test at these schools. Not one could do math at grade level. —- Some of those will be buying guns and ammo on the street- for sure.

Pete

You would be surprised, between hunting and shooting sports a surprising number of non-residents come to CA to shoot. It strikes me as crazy that there are laws in our state that are more restrictive of residents than non-residents. There shouldn't be any difference in treatment, but if there is asymmetry it should benefit residents IMO.

A buddy has a hog ranch and he says there is no question hogs run further and require more shots with the Ca ammo to put them down vs the mushrooming bullets the rest of you in common sense states use.

Living in the Communist enclave of New York, it wouldn't surprise me; however, this is a FEDERAL form, having Not been developed by Witch Hochul.

When I was a kid, being a Special Agent with the ATF was the only job I wanted. My dad’s best friend was an agent for years and was one of the best people I knew. I interned for the ATF when I was in college and got to see what the job was truly like, not the bad news bears version that most people think of.

I was able to work around people who did the job right and did it exceptionally well. They went after violent crime and gangs; nothing else mattered. Now, I’ve been on the job for almost 10 years. During my time, I’ve worked in a large and highly violent metropolitan area, and have been a part of multiple state, local, and federal task forces. I’ve worked everything from spree killers and large-scale narcotics trafficking, to simple felon-in-possession cases. I’ve responded to mass shooting events and thrown tourniquets on victims with gunshot wounds. I’ve seen all the different levels of this job.

Contrary to popular belief, street level agents couldn’t care less about the length of your rifle barrel, how many guns you own, or if you lost your guns in a “boating accident.” Not to mention the fact we only number roughly 2,000 agents, so even if the government told us to, we couldn’t collect citizens’ firearms.

The truth is, 99.9% of street agents got on this job because we want to work violent crime, and a lot of it occurs by use of firearms. We investigate dope, we investigate gangs, and we do our best to help our state and local partners. For the most part, we do a damn good job. Despite another three-letter agency claiming they are the go-to for gangs and violent crime, we are the violent crime police. Any US Attorney’s Office in any major city in America would agree.

Now, however, we’re at a crossroads. We have an administration and an agency leadership that is more preoccupied with political agenda than with protecting citizens. They are now focused on pistol braces and PMFs rather than prosecuting violent offenders. As investigators, we are even more discouraged than the American public with this shift in priorities. We no longer have prosecutors in our US Attorney’s Offices or State Prosecutor’s offices motivated to properly go after demonstrably dangerous individuals by accepting the cases we’re presenting.

My stories could fill a book, both the good and the bad, and for that reason, it is a sad day for me. The only thing I wanted to do was protect the public from real crime; to do the job and do it well. Despite what social media influencers would have you believe, that’s the only thing street level ATF agents really care about. There are many more conversations to be had, preferably over a glass of Weller (or Chicken Cock) around a fire with a good cigar, but I feel like you all needed to know that we’re not happy with these types of decisions, and most of us are looking for the door out.

Our post-Enlightenment age should be more attuned to logic not less. Yet, left-handed paternalism goes unchallenged by 50ish% of the country. (pun-intended)

Bill, google 'desantis and bloggers'.

But if you'd rather stay ignorant and toss of ad hominem 'arguments', hey, you do you.

Florida bill proposes bloggers covering DeSantis must register with state, slammed as unconstitutional

A free speech watchdog called the bill 'fundamentally un-American'

Currently the liberal Democrats are snickering and patting them self on the back. Just wait until the shoe is on the other foot.

DanaC, Notice it says slammed and not adjudicated.

Just as I thought DanaC, out of context and biased. It only says what you want it to say if you misconstrue the meanings. That is something the left has done repeatedly for years now.

10-00366B-23 20231316__ 1 A bill to be entitled 2 An act relating to information dissemination; amending 3 s. 45.031, F.S.; deleting a provision requiring a 4 judicial notice of sale to be published for a 5 specified timeframe on a publicly accessible website; 6 amending s. 50.0311, F.S.; specifying that a 7 governmental agency may use the public website of a 8 county to publish legally required advertisements and 9 public notices if the cost for such publication is not 10 paid by or recovered from a person; creating s. 11 286.31, F.S.; defining terms; requiring bloggers to 12 register with the Office of Legislative Services or 13 the Commission on Ethics, as applicable, within a 14 specified timeframe; requiring such bloggers to file 15 monthly reports with the appropriate office by a 16 certain date; providing an exception; specifying 17 reporting requirements; authorizing a magistrate to 18 enter a final order determining the reasonableness of 19 circumstances for an untimely filing or a fine amount; 20 requiring that the Legislature and the Commission on 21 Ethics adopt a specified rule; providing penalties for 22 late filing; prohibiting the assessment of a fine for 23 the first time a report is not timely filed, under 24 specified conditions; authorizing bloggers to appeal a 25 fine within a specified timeframe; specifying the 26 appeal process; authorizing bloggers to request that 27 the appropriate office waive the reporting requirement 28 under specified conditions; providing that unpaid 29 fines for a specified timeframe may be recovered 30 through the courts of this state; providing an 31 effective date. 32 33 Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida: 34 35 Section 1.?Subsection (2) of section 45.031, Florida 36 Statutes, is amended to read: 37 45.031?Judicial sales procedure.—In any sale of real or 38 personal property under an order or judgment, the procedures 39 provided in this section and ss. 45.0315-45.035 may be followed 40 as an alternative to any other sale procedure if so ordered by 41 the court. 42 (2)?PUBLICATION OF SALE.—Notice of sale shall be published 43 on a publicly accessible website as provided in s. 50.0311 for 44 at least 2 consecutive weeks before the sale or once a week for 45 2 consecutive weeks in a newspaper of general circulation, as 46 provided in chapter 50, published in the county where the sale 47 is to be held. The second publication by newspaper shall be at 48 least 5 days before the sale. The notice shall contain: 49 (a)?A description of the property to be sold. 50 (b)?The time and place of sale. 51 (c)?A statement that the sale will be made pursuant to the 52 order or final judgment. 53 (d)?The caption of the action. 54 (e)?The name of the clerk making the sale. 55 (f)?A statement that any person claiming an interest in the 56 surplus from the sale, if any, other than the property owner as 57 of the date of the lis pendens must file a claim before the 58 clerk reports the surplus as unclaimed. 59 60 The court, in its discretion, may enlarge the time of the sale. 61 Notice of the changed time of sale shall be published as 62 provided herein. 63 Section 2.?Section 50.0311, Florida Statutes, is amended to 64 read: 65 50.0311?Publication of governmental agency advertisements 66 and public notices on a publicly accessible website and 67 governmental access channels.— 68 (1)?For purposes of this chapter, the term “governmental 69 agency” means a county, municipality, school board, or other 70 unit of local government or political subdivision in this state. 71 (2)?For purposes of notices and advertisements required 72 under s. 50.011, the term “publicly accessible website” means a 73 county’s official website or other private website designated by 74 the county for the publication of legal notices and 75 advertisements that is accessible via the Internet. All 76 advertisements and public notices published on a website as 77 provided in this chapter must be in searchable form and indicate 78 the date on which the advertisement or public notice was first 79 published on the website. 80 (3)?A governmental agency may use the publicly accessible 81 website of the county in which it lies to publish legally 82 required advertisements and public notices if the cost of 83 publishing advertisements and public notices on such website is 84 less than the cost of publishing advertisements and public 85 notices in a newspaper, and the cost for publication is not to 86 be paid by or recovered from a person. 87 (4)?A governmental agency with at least 75 percent of its 88 population located within a county with a population of fewer 89 than 160,000 may use a publicly accessible website to publish 90 legally required advertisements and public notices only if the 91 governing body of the governmental agency, at a public hearing 92 that has been noticed in a newspaper as provided in this 93 chapter, determines that the residents of the governmental 94 agency have sufficient access to the Internet by broadband 95 service, as defined in s. 364.02, or by any other means, such 96 that publishing advertisements and public notices on a publicly 97 accessible website will not unreasonably restrict public access. 98 (5)?A special district spanning the geographic boundaries 99 of more than one county that satisfies the criteria for 100 publishing and chooses to publish legally required 101 advertisements and public notices on a publicly accessible 102 website must publish such advertisements and public notices on 103 the publicly accessible website of each county it spans. For 104 purposes of this subsection, the term “special district” has the 105 same meaning as in s. 189.012. 106 (6)?A governmental agency that uses a publicly accessible 107 website to publish legally required advertisements and public 108 notices shall provide notice at least once per year in a 109 newspaper of general circulation or another publication that is 110 mailed or delivered to all residents and property owners 111 throughout the government’s jurisdiction, indicating that 112 property owners and residents may receive legally required 113 advertisements and public notices from the governmental agency 114 by first-class mail or e-mail upon registering their name and 115 address or e-mail address with the governmental agency. The 116 governmental agency shall maintain a registry of names, 117 addresses, and e-mail addresses of property owners and residents 118 who have requested in writing that they receive legally required 119 advertisements and public notices from the governmental agency 120 by first-class mail or e-mail. 121 (7)?A link to advertisements and public notices published 122 on a publicly accessible website shall be conspicuously placed: 123 (a)?On the website’s homepage or on a page accessible 124 through a direct link from the homepage. 125 (b)?On the homepage of the website of each governmental 126 agency publishing notices on the publicly accessible website or 127 on a page accessible through a direct link from the homepage. 128 (8)?A governmental agency that has a governmental access 129 channel authorized under s. 610.109 may also include on its 130 governmental access channel a summary of all advertisements and 131 public notices that are published on a publicly accessible 132 website. 133 (9)?A public bid advertisement made by a governmental 134 agency on a publicly accessible website must include a method to 135 accept electronic bids. 136 Section 3.?Section 286.31, Florida Statutes, is created to 137 read: 138 286.31?Blogger registration and reporting.— 139 (1)?As used in this section, the term: 140 (a)?“Blog” means a website or webpage that hosts any 141 blogger and is frequently updated with opinion, commentary, or 142 business content. The term does not include the website of a 143 newspaper or other similar publication. 144 (b)?“Blogger” means any person as defined in s. 1.01(3) 145 that submits a blog post to a blog which is subsequently 146 published. 147 (c)?“Blog post” is an individual webpage on a blog which 148 contains an article, a story, or a series of stories. 149 (d)?“Compensation” includes anything of value provided to a 150 blogger in exchange for a blog post or series of blog posts. If 151 not provided in currency, it must be the fair-market value of 152 the item or service exchanged. 153 (e)?“Elected state officer” means the Governor, the 154 Lieutenant Governor, a Cabinet officer, or any member of the 155 Legislature. 156 (f)?“Office” means, in the context of a blog post about a 157 member of the Legislature, the Office of Legislative Services 158 or, in the context of a blog post about a member of the 159 executive branch, the Commission on Ethics, as applicable. 160 (2)?If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state 161 officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that 162 post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office, as 163 identified in paragraph (1)(f), within 5 days after the first 164 post by the blogger which mentions an elected state officer. 165 (3)(a)?Upon registering with the appropriate office, a 166 blogger must file monthly reports on the 10th day following the 167 end of each calendar month from the time a blog post is added to 168 the blog, except that, if the 10th day following the end of a 169 calendar month occurs on a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday, 170 the report must be filed on the next day that is not a Saturday, 171 Sunday, or legal holiday. 172 (b)?If the blogger does not have a blog post on a blog 173 during a given month, the monthly report for that month does not 174 need to be filed. 175 (c)?The blogger must file reports with the appropriate 176 office using the electronic filing system: 177 1.?As provided in s. 11.0455 if the blog post concerns an 178 elected member of the Legislature; or 179 2.?As provided in s. 112.32155 if the blog post concerns an 180 officer of the executive branch. 181 (d)?The reports must include all of the following: 182 1.?The individual or entity that compensated the blogger 183 for the blog post. 184 2.?The amount of compensation received from the individual 185 or entity, regardless of how the compensation was structured. 186 a.?The amount must be rounded to the nearest $10 increment. 187 b.?If the compensation is for a series of blog posts or for 188 a defined period of time, the blogger must disclose the total 189 amount to be received upon the first blog post being published. 190 Thereafter, the blogger must disclose the date or dates 191 additional compensation is received, if any, for the series of 192 blog posts. 193 3.?The date the blog post was published. If the blog post 194 is part of a series, the date each blog post is published must 195 be included in the applicable report. 196 4.?The website and website address where the blog post can 197 be found. 198 (4)?Notwithstanding any other law, a magistrate is 199 authorized to enter a final order in determination of the 200 reasonableness of circumstances for an untimely filing of a 201 required report and the amount of a fine, if any. 202 (5)?Each house of the Legislature and the Commission on 203 Ethics shall adopt by rule, for application to bloggers, the 204 same procedure by which lobbyists are notified of the failure to 205 timely file a report and the amount of the assessed fines. The 206 rule must also provide for, but need not be limited to, the 207 following provisions: 208 (a)?A fine of $25 per day per report for each day late, not 209 to exceed $2,500 per report. 210 (b)?Upon receipt of an untimely filed report, the amount of 211 the fine must be based upon the earlier of the following: 212 1.?The date and time that the untimely report is actually 213 received by the office. 214 2.?The date and time on the electronic receipt issued 215 pursuant to s. 11.0455 or s. 112.32155. 216 (c)?The fine must be paid within 30 days after the notice 217 of payment due is transmitted, unless an appeal is filed with 218 the office. The fine amount must be deposited into: 219 1.?If the report in question relates to a post about a 220 member of the Legislature, the Legislative Lobbyist Registration 221 Trust Fund; 222 2.?If the report in question relates to a post about a 223 member of the executive branch, the Executive Branch Lobby 224 Registration Trust Fund; or 225 3.?If the report in question relates to a post about 226 members of both the Legislature and the executive branch, the 227 lobbyist registration trust funds identified in subparagraphs 1. 228 and 2., in equal amounts. 229 (d)?A fine may not be assessed against a blogger the first 230 time a report for which the blogger is responsible is not timely 231 filed. However, to receive this one-time fine waiver, all 232 untimely filed reports for which the blogger remains responsible 233 for filing must be filed with the office within 30 days after 234 the notice of untimely filing was transmitted to the blogger. A 235 fine must be assessed for any subsequent late-filed reports. 236 (e)?The blogger is entitled to appeal a fine, based upon 237 reasonable circumstances surrounding the failure to file by the 238 designated date, by making a written request to the office for a 239 hearing before the magistrate from the Second Judicial Circuit. 240 Any such request must be made within 30 days after the notice of 241 payment due is transmitted to the blogger. The office shall 242 transmit all such timely, written requests to the chief judge of 243 the Second Judicial Circuit along with the evidence the office 244 relied on in assessing the fine. The magistrate, after holding a 245 hearing, shall render a final order, upholding the fine or 246 waiving it in full or in part. 247 (f)?A blogger may request that the filing of a report be 248 waived upon good cause shown based on reasonable circumstances. 249 The request must be filed with the office, which may grant or 250 deny the request. 251 (g)?Fines that remain unpaid for a period in excess of 100 252 days after final determination are eligible for recovery through 253 the courts of this state. 254 Section 4.?This act shall take effect upon becoming a law.

It doesn't matter if it is a liberal or conservative that is trying to restrict our constitutional rights, they all need to be stood up to.