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Bowboy 14-Apr-23
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Garth 14-Apr-23
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RK 14-Apr-23
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HDE 15-Apr-23
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Bowbender 15-Apr-23
HDE 15-Apr-23
Jaquomo 15-Apr-23
Missouribreaks 15-Apr-23
Bowboy 15-Apr-23
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HDE 15-Apr-23
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Corax_latrans 15-Apr-23
Machino 15-Apr-23
TonyBear 16-Apr-23
Groundhunter 16-Apr-23
Jaquomo 16-Apr-23
drycreek 16-Apr-23
Missouribreaks 16-Apr-23
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From: Bowboy
14-Apr-23

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I’m not sure if this has been posted. It’ll be sad if it happens.

14-Apr-23
Well, we already have scoped and cocked crossbows replacing bowhunting in many states, why stop there ?

From: Dale06
14-Apr-23
I suppose explosive arrows or poison arrows on these air guns or x bows are next.

From: Bowboy
14-Apr-23

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This will be next!

14-Apr-23
Colorado. The air rifle, recently was approved for Fall turkey hunting. One might believe that the air bow is to follow via a Citizen Petition to the CPW Commission. Wait and see.

14-Apr-23
I think these things are getting a lot more traction where game populations are critically high. Our deer managers are willing to authorize just about anything these days.

From: Garth
14-Apr-23
“An airbow is shooting the same bolt that my crossbow is shooting. And my crossbow is pretty bad. It’ll shoot it as far or further than some of these airbows,” he said. Well this guy has no clue what he's talking about.

From: TGbow
14-Apr-23
I remember when cross bows were only legal for the handicapped in my state.

From: Garth
14-Apr-23
Thats the only way you can use xbows in AZ unless its during a general hunt.

From: RK
14-Apr-23
I remember when archery was illegal for deer hunting.

Times change, not always for the better

From: Bigdog 21
14-Apr-23
Fred Bear used poison on arrow tip.

From: HDE
15-Apr-23
What does this have to do with BOWhunting?

From: Bowbender
15-Apr-23
Here in PA our archery buck harvest is 87% of the rifle kill. It’s more than doubled since 2009. The year xbows were legalized. Went from ~32K to ~75K.

15-Apr-23
The scoped and cocked bolt machines are very effective, that is why they were a weapon approved for those with disabilities.

From: PushCoArcher
15-Apr-23
HDE it has plenty to do with bow hunting sense they're trying to make it legal for archery season.

From: Groundhunter
15-Apr-23
Why worry about an air bow for turkey. Since it's a gun season, why not. However if you have a archery only season then I would say no to that.

From: Bowbender
15-Apr-23
Why worry? Because once it’s an approved weapon it’s only a matter of time before it’s legal archery equipment. That’s why.

From: HDE
15-Apr-23
"...it has plenty to do with bow hunting sense they're trying to make it legal for archery season."

PushCo - it doesn't remove the ability to use stick and string...

From: Jaquomo
15-Apr-23
If these things (and crossbows) get legalized for bowhunting in draw states, it creates more competition for tags, with rifle hunters applying for bow tags. Not sure why some struggle to understand this...

15-Apr-23
Many hunters are not very bright, or educated.

From: Bowboy
15-Apr-23
Lou is a 100% correct.

From: Bowbender
15-Apr-23
Why worry? Because once it’s an approved weapon it’s only a matter of time before it’s legal archery equipment. That’s why.

15-Apr-23
And perhaps one simple season, use whatever weapon you choose.

From: TonyBear
15-Apr-23
Legal "hunting" equipment is a hell of a lot different than "archery" equipment. Archery kills by blood loss. Firearms including muzzle loaders kill by a combination of blood loss and shock transfer from the projectile.

Bowhunting easily defined for knotheads who don't get it , is via a hand held bow; drawn, held and released with the archer's own strength and skill. While in the presence of the game animal, typically at close range. This automatically introduces error, thus making it a primitive sport and harvest technique. It requires practice, stealth and skill.

Airbows, crossbows and the like don't have this in common , what they have in common is an arrow, bolt, etc. with a broadhead attached to it. You can buy an adapter to shoot arrows out of a firearm, doesn't make it a bow or archery equipment.

For all the debates and posturing back and forth, recruiting and retention, opportunity, equity, et al-draw a parallel in fishing , golf, baseball, tennis, etc. See examples below:

1. Fishing: I want to use spears, harpoons, nets, traps and poison, live bait and snagging-its just a method of take, if you are against it you are suppressing my opportunity to enjoy the sport. Plus, I want to do this during spawning season, at night with lights....Think of the special licenses we could sell and the revenue taken until the resource is depleted (kinda effects the resource doesn't it?).

Golf: I golf poorly, my drives are always short and not on target. Ok lets fit a airgun, slingshot, et al with a golf ball as a projectile. Fair is fair and think of how it would recruit those who can't swing a club. All that walking, hah a thing of the past as I mount that sucker on my golf cart.

Baseball: My team needs a new pitcher, lets buy that machine that can shoot balls at 100 mph plus, will give me an advantage over the other team. Just think of how we can recruit new people to the sport. The bats for my team will be 3x as wide as anyone else's, make them of titanium or depleted uranium for extra kick.

Tennis: My serves aren't as good as they need to be. Let me use that ball shooter that I use for the dog, I can Ace my opponent just about every time. Think of all the opportunities to recruit people into the sport. Plus lets make my court much smaller so they have a tough time returning the serve.

If you aren't laughing yet or thinking about using these talking points to the legislators proposing this stuff, I guess I should add "fraternal spirit, tradition, indigenous activity" or other terms sociologists use.

15-Apr-23
Participation ribbons help everyone feel good.

From: HDE
15-Apr-23
"...with rifle hunters applying for bow tags. Not sure why some struggle to understand this..."

Already happens in NM, rifle hunters applying for bow tags. Not difficult to understand...

From: Groundhunter
15-Apr-23
Okay maybe I am missing something ...are you talking about an archery only turkey season? If so I would have to agree.

But most turkey seasons include a few weapon choices.

15-Apr-23
“Already happens in NM, rifle hunters applying for bow tags. Not difficult to understand...”

I guess I have missed the back-story on that one…

From: Machino
15-Apr-23
Tony. Great long post. But compounds have more in common with the X and Air bows then they do real archery equipment.

Archery: I want to kill more things. First ill range it and know exactly how far it is. Then ill use the arrow launcher with extreme let off so i can hold it forever. After that ill dial my adjustable sight to the correct range, take a look thru my rectifier or whatever you call it and ace my shot. Then ill tell people Im a bowhunter

Stop whining about it. You did this to yourselves. Put down the compound if you want less technology

From: TonyBear
16-Apr-23
Sorry Machino not buying it, been shooting all kinds of bows since I was a kid. Airbow has nothing in common with my compound, recurve, longbow or hand-made self-bow.

I have hunted with all of them and muzzle loader, shotgun and , 20x scope high-powered rifle. None of which require drawing, holding and releasing the arrow with your own strength while in the presence of game. If you think I am whining about preserving a fraternal spirit of bowhunting then you must be of the anything goes crowd? Shoot as many animals, with what-ever weapon , whenever you want?

Me, I will respect the separate seasons and not push a weapon into a season where it doesn't belong throwing the fraternal spirit of bowhunting under the bus for the sake of hunting "unification", false sense of recruitment or retention of bowhunters. I stand by my reasoning in the 4/15 post.

From: Groundhunter
16-Apr-23
Tony so what weapons should be legal for turkeys?

From: Jaquomo
16-Apr-23
Machino needs to attend a Tradholes Anonymous meeting, or wander back over to his fedora buddies who think "their" technologies are the only acceptable technologies. I don't recall one post from him/her/it that was helpful in any way, only tiresome complaints about compounds.

From: drycreek
16-Apr-23
Same song, second verse……or is it the thirteenth ?

16-Apr-23
Should "airbows" be allowed in general archery seasons to fill with an archery tag ?

16-Apr-23
I mean, just like the scoped and cocked crossbow bolt machine ?

I say neither should have been allowed in seasons designed for hand drawn bows and arrows. No more Bud Light either.

16-Apr-23
I mean, just like the scoped and cocked crossbow bolt machine ?

I say neither should have been allowed in seasons designed for hand drawn bows and arrows. No more Bud Light either.

From: Machino
16-Apr-23
Tony. Great long post. But compounds have more in common with the X and Air bows then they do real archery equipment.

Archery: I want to kill more things. First ill range it and know exactly how far it is. Then ill use the arrow launcher with extreme let off so i can hold it forever. After that ill dial my adjustable sight to the correct range, take a look thru my rectifier or whatever you call it and ace my shot. Then ill tell people Im a bowhunter

Stop whining about it. You did this to yourselves. Put down the compound if you want less technology

From: DanaC
16-Apr-23
Instant bowhunter, just add technology.

From: Bigdog 21
16-Apr-23
Most states call it Archery season.. so to stop all the new ways let's just get rid of anything mechanical. And we can call it archery season again.

From: DanaC
17-Apr-23
"Most states call it Archery season..."

I have nothing against 'mechanical'. BUT the weapon should require ARCHERY skills to employ. You need ZERO archery skills to shoot a crossbow or an airbow. You can practice for either of those with a pellet gun or a 22 rimfire. That ain't archery!

(And for the record I love shooting guns, in anticipation of the GUN hunting seasons. 22, 7mm, 45-70, slugs, ML, boom baby! But NOT for archery season.)

From: x-man
17-Apr-23
If you're going to boycott Bud Light, don't forget about the rest of the family...

Bud, Kona, Michelob, Stella, Bucsh, Natty, Landshark, Presidente, Hoegaarden, Shock Top...

17-Apr-23
Yep, avoid them all.

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