Lion Crossbow Hunt at the Next Level
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I wonder if they were wearing Depends:)
Three shots with a high power rifle and the guy lays his crossbow with expandable broadhead for the trophy photo.
All he did was piss it off!
Canned lion "hunt." As soon as I saw that mane, I should've just stopped watching.
they wanted a charge and most certainly expected it and were not worried about it. whoever videoed it was rock solid steady ready and shake free. They were not surprised they were hoping and the camera guy knew the ph would deliver as planned so he videoed as calmly as if he was at his four year olds dance recital
“Next Level” - as in, “Just when you thought hunting’s image couldn’t sink any lower.”
Pathetic!! Wish we knew who the PH and hunter were so they could be shunned by true hunters.
Arent all lion hunts more or less "canned"?
I've got no issues with the hunt, except the crossbow shooter not waiting for a proper shot angle, and the PH letting the lion pick off their location after the bolt was released. The PH sure held his poise with that big rifle though.
You ain't kidding it takes some balls. That lion could do a LOT of damage before he bleeds out from that broadhead hit!
Was the lion already hit before the xbow bolt shot on video... Looked like it was already wounded chewing on a stick...
Whether canned or not just seeing a charge like that gives me the willies.... Man they come quick...
4nolz, no, not at all. Pretty much all lion hunts in SA are penned/canned. Truly wild lion hunts exist elsewhere such as Tanzania. The price jumps rather significantly.
RK, your entitled to your opinion as I am. For a PH to allow a client to take such a poor shot was pathetic. Put his life and his clients life endanger. The reason a PH is required is to lesson the risk. Personally, I think the PH did it on purpose so that he could kill the lion, and look like the hero. So excuse me if I think that whole hunt was pathetic. Puts hunters in a terrible light also. Hunts like that sort of makes me wish the lion would win.
LB. Yes. Yours to evaluate
Wonder if the crossbow shot would have done its job.... had it not charged?
Many countries offer wild lion hunts. Nobody would be pulling any stunts on those free range lions though.
Fields-It was an expandable so it may have died from infection weeks later
Canned or not, that was a pissed off lion. The PH did a great job under extreme pressure. I'd rather be charged by a grizzly than an African cat - especially a leopard.
Wonder how proud the "Hunter" was of his big quest? Question for all, How proud and eager would you be to show that amazing video to your hunting buddies?
Crazy video.
Hunting anything that can kill me is not on my list, canned or not....plus, I know I couldn't afford it anyhow.
That fella doing the killing with the gun and the cameraman doing the filming must both have balls big enough to haul around in a dump truck.
Anyone know more about how an African PH sets up the shooter? That lion was obviously running beside them. Wonder if they have a group of people off to the left so that when the thing charges and essentially goes "centre of mass" it runs to the side of the client and the guy with the big gun? It looked very fixated on something. I imagine there is a strategy there. A strategy that seems to work. Hate to be the rodeo clown to the left....
Why was it chewing on sticks?
The arrow would have done the job they just needed to give it time to do it
"Will a .357 kill a Grizzly?"... "Yeah, eventually"...8^)))
Its a cat thing! our cat likes to grab sticks from the wood box snd carry them around and chew on them.
Appeared he was eating on a kill?
Its a stick
Its a stick
Could be nervous energy from being pressured.
But most likely that was what he did in his cage from boredom. an hour before this video was made.
Not hunted lions or looked into it. I know what a canned hunt is here, so I'm guessing it's in a caged area??
I agree though, that when hunting dangerous game, you wait for the perfect shot.
Sad this is why hunting has a bad name. PERIOD
Anybody notice there was at least another gunner... There was a gunshot before the guide fired his first round...
I'm not sure that having the other shooter necessarily changed the story. The PH on camera stopped the charge and the second shooter did follow up on the Lion as it was dying at the instruction of the PH
I can assure you the non hunting public hates the killing of glamour animals. They see no reason to kill an elephant, Luon, leopard etc etc
Remember Cecil ? Wild lion That almost ruined that hunters life by being canceled. What Lb wants to do as hunter canceling this PH and Hunter. Guess we are all the same
The point I was trying to make, although heart pounding, with another shooter the seriousness of the situation wasn't as dangerous as it seemed with only one gun... If it was a canned shoot, heck there could have been 3 other guns out of the video frame.
There are some wild and crazy videos out there of different dangerous charges, I've seen a couple other lion charges and one comes to mind of a leopard that actually managed to get to a guide and grabbed him before they blasted it point blank... Scary stuff...
Most likely that lion was recently released from its cage. Not my thing but if a guy wants to go on a canned lion shoot, that’s his business. But pretending he killed it with an x gun is pathetic.
RK, it's called policing our own. Sort of like when that idiot Bill busbice got caught poaching elk and leaving one to rot in a ditch. I guess your on bills side and want to protect the unethical hunters who give honest ethical hunters a bad name. It's America and your free to do what you want. But when I see idiots shooting animals at bad angles just so he can say he shot one and then let a so called professional follow up and actual kill the cat, yea I have a problem with that. Sad that you don't, maybe you and busbice can get together and hunt elk, what say you.
Longer version, there were 2 guns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jlo3WsB8w
Here's that lepard charge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLv3udQ1iMM
I wish the lion could have slapped the shit out of the idiot with the crossbow.
The second longer video confirms that the hunter is a douche.
There’s a reason Boone and Crockett and SCI condemned this canned lion hunting.
But on a completely different subject, this video demonstrates the proficiency of an African PH standing in the fray Until the last second before delivering the coup de grace.
so when Bear pistol discussions come up, maybe we should consider not hunting in high bear density country alone with a bow, but always have a rifle back up.
of course you could have a pistol on you for peace of mind. but this video demonstrates a proficient rifleman doing nothing but protecting the bow hunter from dangerous game, is your best defense. But that level of proficiency takes a lot of practice.
I watched the lion before the bolt was released. He was already to charge. I was taught never attempt to put an arrow into an animal who is watching your every move. I get the impression that the hunter wanted a lion charge.
I'm completely lost on the this one. How is it different then every other lion hunt on youtube? There's a lion laying in the grass eyeing the group, a guy flinging broadheads at it from 40-50yds away, and some guys with rifles just in case of a charge. What am I missing, why is this one different enough that we're rooting for the lion?
I think a lot of people who consider themselves Honest Hunters usually do root for the lions in cases like this, though.
I’ve been told - by a guy who knows things from the PH side - that even the lions which were raised specifically for the canned hunt industry/trade are dangerous as hell, so I can take his word for that. But they’re also raised for the purpose of shooting them on a canned hunt. Kind of interesting that the auto-complete on my phone suggested “slaughter” 3 times while I was putting together that last sentence….
FWIW, when I watched the first clip, it rolled into some videos where you could see very clearly that there was a picket line of 4-5 rifles off to the Client’s left. It wasn’t always enough to keep the cats from making contact with one of the shooters, but it seems to keep the cameraman and the client safe enough. And I’m not volunteering to be one of the shooters, because I saw a couple of them go down after the cat had broken through the line. The cat didn’t make contact with all of them, so one might infer that they were on the wrong end of some friendly fire..
JMO, lions, leopards and similarly dangerous game ought not be hunted with archery tackle; period. Because even if the shot is pretty much perfect, that animal is near guaranteed 30 seconds or more to take that up with you, which means a charge that you can’t stop with your own weapon. So other people are required to put themselves in mortal danger just so the client can have the bragging rights for having “killed” their lion…
Because let’s face it - nobody goes after dangerous game without some appreciable appetite for getting charged, and probably a lot of people who DON’T get charged end up feeling a bit unfulfilled somehow…
Overall, it’s a pretty twisted business.
I struggle to find the goodness in this video. I do not think LB is out of line.
Ya the whole: "If it's legal don't slam your fellow hunter" argument never really held water with me. Laws change. Slavery was legal at one time. Heck today a 14 year old can have her breasts cut off and become sterile without talking to her parents. There's many examples of laws not being the the moral idea to hold to.
Canned hunts of any kind get a no from me. Shoot a beef cow, deer whatever you want, but don't call it a hunt. call it what it is, an execution. Which in its own right isn't all bad. An animal needs to be executed in order to be turned into meat hide etc. If there is literally no gain at all from the death of the animal (meat, hide etc) and it is literally killing for killing's sake and no part of animal management that's where I get a little squeamish. Hunt wild lions as part of an overall management plan, for sure. Makes sense. Raise hundreds of lions just so that someone can put a bullet in them? Something is off there imo.
Call it whatever else you want but, don't call that hunting.
Ridiculous is a good thing to call it
"JMO, lions, leopards and similarly dangerous game ought not be hunted with archery tackle; period."
Ya know the more I watch these big cat charging videos, I'm in agreement... It's just not safe for a human being, regardless if PH or hunter... One bad cartridge or misfire, spells tragedy for one or both... As said before, man they come fast...
These videos do make me want to go buy a double rifle though...8^) Now, just which Nitro caliber...8^)
In all seriousness, years ago I bought a Franchi 20 gauge autoloader, the lightest weight 20 gauge on the market, mainly for toting it all day doing deer drives during gunseason here, but since I bought another barrel for it and reduced it to 19" for a camp gun for protection when traveling/hunting out west... At point plank with slugs and buckshot, it's just as effective as the Nitro calibers...
Zbone
Energy at muzzle 20 ga slug is around 2500 ftlbs
375 HH - 4300 ftlbs
470 nitro express 5200 ftlbs
500 nitro express 5800 ftlbs
20 ga is more in line with a 308 point blank
I have three double rifles and they make shooting a 20 ga. A pleasure
Don't care about foot pounds... Aside from maybe a whale, a 20 gauge slug or buckshot will kill anything on this planet from a foot away... I'll betja a 20... You get the elephant and hold him still and I'll bring my Franchi...8^)))
It’s not only the ridiculous energy the big bores bring, but the bullet design and type of metal.
The bullet choice for the 20 ga. Is lacking for many thick skinned animals.
It would most likely work on a Lion though.
Zbone. That's why you see so many 20 gauges in Africa LOL. Well you do, skeet range and Guinea fowl hunting
You guys bring the critters, I'll bring the 20 gauge and the handcrafted loads...8^)
Who’s bringing the shovel
I’ve heard it all now. On bowsite. A bow hunter suggesting bowhunting dangerous game shouldn’t be legal. Maybe GF and ZBone will send those ph’s and native villagers monthly handouts so they can eat. Instead of work for it. I’m not trying to be as big a wise guy as it sounds. But, if you are being serious, take what I said seriously.
You fellas live a sheltered life. Go to you tube and watch native Africans run lions off the kill they made. With a stick. Not a compound bow. Not a cross bow. Not even a self bow. Just skinny black guys that get their staff and take what they want. That’s pretty tough in my book.
The average western American doesn’t posses that ability. So, he hires a PH on a lion hunt. What’s the big deal? Because it’s a lion? You guys sound like the cancel culture.
I hate to break it to you. But, animals have been raised and killed by humans since God put us here. Does it matter if it’s a lion? I guess it does. I wander if you grieve those beef steers in the pasture the same way?
Anyways, caged or not, that lion is more dangerous being exposed to humans, than their wild cousins. Any day of the week. And, twice on Sunday.
Dangerous game is exactly that,dangerous. For those who persue dangerous game you must accept that your putting your life on the line. I had a client who was following up a leopard and they were in a field with little cover. The cat was hiding in grass you wouldn't think could hide a big animal and that cat tore out of the patch and attacked. He got scratch up a bit but they got the cat. If I had to follow up a cat I would want a 12 gauge not a 20. I'd prefer my M1S90 but I believe semis are not allowed. So a good pump gun would be my next choice, I'd let the PH handle the rifle.
The hunter was not bowhunting, he was shooting a scoped and cocked bolt machine.
This whole conversation has me back looking for a deal on a big bore double rifle. Luckily good deals on them are hard to find. I surely don’t need one. I just want one.
A charging cat requires lighting fast reflexes and a rifle caliber capable of the job. This is about the only cat charge I’d use a shotgun on.
Ken, I would trust you backing me up with that tabby. :>))) Or any beastie for that matter.
"This whole conversation has me back looking for a deal on a big bore double rifle. Luckily good deals on them are hard to find. I surely don’t need one. I just want one."
Lol, I have to admit that I've had the same thought. 2 guns that I don't have but lust for are a .410 side by side, and a rifle side by side.
This guy just proved that with enough money, anyone can buy the right for some on this site to call them a dangerous game bowhunter.
I will call you one, when you: go out there [by yourself], scout, find your free-ranging wild animal, get within bow distance, shoot/kill it, recover it. To me, that's bowhunting. Paying someone else to scout, locate, bait, drive you out there... that's not bowhunting, that's buying an animal and shooting it.
Just one mans opinion.
I was a happy bowhunter giving Ken a hug when the Buffalo started bellowing.
Proper back up equipment for my hunt
"Paying someone else to scout, locate, bait, drive you out there... that's not bowhunting, that's buying an animal and shooting it."
Sounds like outfitted whitetails in KS.
My goodness those are some beautiful guns!
Glad Fred Bear is not around to read that x-man
With many species DIY hunts are not legal.
So when Fred Bear had his elephant staked to the ground and shot it, that's a heroic bowhunting moment?
HMMM, seems my computer has the TBM double-post virus today.
You may have Fred confused with another noted bowhunter. But, I could be wrong as I was not there.
Too bad more do not learn a little about real bow and arrow history. Seems many are now mired in the scoped and cocked crossbow bolt machine era and culture.
From: Altitude Sickness - "This whole conversation has me back looking for a deal on a big bore double rifle. Luckily good deals on them are hard to find. I surely don’t need one. I just want one."
EXACTLY, ME TOO!!!...8^)))
BTW - That was Howard Hill not Fred Bear for the movie Tembo... Although ole Papa Bear did use pods in Africa.... (OH MY, have I ever opened a can of worms..8^)))
bowsite went from a political site to a anti hunting site ? That was pretty intense.
jdee, I must have missed Bowsite turning to an anti hunting site. Please enlighten me.
Who here is against bow hunting ?
Where you guys coming from "anti hunting"....
It’s getting harder and harder reading the threads on here, the comments are far worse then the hunt.
A buddy of mine pointed out the lion appeared irritated snd tearing up sticks before the crossbow guy even shot at him. It's possible the lion already knew they were onto him, which makes shooting him with a poorly placed crossbow arrow even dumber.
That lion was destined To die by lead from the git go. That was clear on the longer video where not one but two gunners were setting up on sticks to sight in on him at arrow impact
That would not have been a bowhunt if the guy was using a self bow let alone a crossbow.
They obviously never thought the arrow would would kill on impact so it was a gun hunt all along with the arrow simply a tool To get him up and moving for the firing squad to conduct the execution
What makes the killing of anyone else’s animals more noble than this one?
A buddy of mine pointed out that the animal was jabbed with a sharp stick. In fact, you can tell by how the lion is laying there and chewing on the stick that he knew he was gonna get shot with a cross bow and not a vertical bow. That’s why he charged. You can tell by the hair on his mane that he was about ready to charge just before he knew the trigger was gonna get pulled.
I do wonder though bou? Did they confiscate this cat? Just asking since I heard you know a little or a lot about cats being confiscated in another country.
Good grief.
In America we kill hogs, bison, deer, elk etc in enclosures and refer to it as " hunting ". Lots of hogs are raised and killed in captivity by "hunters". Where is the line drawn ?
Of course the lion knew they were there (4 or 5 guy just walked up to him), and of course there were rifles trained on him. Broadheads don't kill by shock, they have to bleed out. It would be stupid to shoot something that can kill you without powerful backup. Hell, there's threads all over this site about what pistol to carry in grizzly country for the happen chance that someone might bump into one let alone they poke with something. The fact he did it with a crossbow seems to be an issue. Does a compound hunter with the same rifle backup get a free pass?
“Show-Time….”
What more do you need to know about this twit?
“Show-Time….”
What more do you need to know about this twit?
“ They obviously never thought the arrow would would kill on impact ..”
Ummmm… Does anybody HERE expect an arrow to kill/anchor any large animal “on impact”????
This was a shit-show from the git-go, and carefully choreographed. You may question the ethics of this whole business (I certainly do) but you can’t fault the outfitter for understanding what he’s up against and deploying tactics that keep his staff and client in one piece.
Let's narrow it down. If there is fault, where does it lie ?
Let's narrow it down. If there is fault, where does it lie ?
Curious. Fault for what? What happened? Did I miss something?
“ In America we kill hogs, bison, deer, elk etc in enclosures and refer to it as ‘hunting ‘. Lots of hogs are raised and killed in captivity by ‘hunters’. Where is the line drawn ?”
Well, for me it’s at the fence, but I have an overdeveloped Boy Scout gene. To my mind, anything inside of a fence is just another farm animal, so unless the area inside the fence is so vast that the fence is never a factor in the process or outcome of the hunt, it’s just a question of what size squeeze chute you wanna use.
That’s why (so far) the record books don’t recognize these “trophies” - if you want a blue ribbon for your livestock, there’s likely a State Fair near you every year. And there’s that big show in Denver every year…
How can a high fence never be a factor, why would it be there in the first place ? It must serve some purpose, such as confinement of animals.
I did not see fault per se. It is what it is so just call it that vs. something else. The are encounters that result in charges and there are encounters where a charge is inevitable and appearingly welcomed to add to the adventure. This seems to be that, but they all knew what they were going to get so no fault.
High fence can be for exclusion too. I know a guy up north. Built a high fence. It's 8' tall, has found that deer are jumping it at a couple of spots. He's fine with the deer coming and going as long as the wolves can't get in. Says it's nice that the wolves haven't ran off the deer where he hunts like they have everyone around him.
I thought I read that almost all African Buffalo hunts were in fenced paddocks? Might be wrong on that as memory sometimes isn't what it used to be.
“ How can a high fence never be a factor…?”
Good question, but I figured I’d at least be willing to entertain the possibility… ;)
In principle, though, if you hunt Whitetails inside of a fenced area which is larger than the natural home range of a whitetail and the animals’ movements (within your effective range, at the very least) aren’t dictated by the position of the fence….
It’s a stretch, for sure….
I guess there’s a continuum that runs from Hunt to Harvest to Slaughter to Execution. I don’t feel guilty for having harvested a fair number of whitetails out here where they really need thinning; I just don’t see it as any particular accomplishment to kill a couple per year in an area where the biggest challenge was learning how to avoid bumping them out on my way to where I was planning to park my stand for the day.
From: Corax_latrans - "Well, for me it’s at the fence, but I have an overdeveloped Boy Scout gene. To my mind, anything inside of a fence is just another farm animal, so unless the area inside the fence is so vast that the fence is never a factor in the process or outcome of the hunt, it’s just a question of what size squeeze chute you wanna use.
Agree with Corax_latrans - Every high fence is a can, only difference is the size of the can...
Islands are the same. All bighorn sheep killed on the Tiburon and Carmen islands in Mexico should not be considered for any record book. Islands are to small 296,000 acres and 37,000 acres
Good point, I now see how some justify canned hunts on pen raised animals.
By the way, I have nothing against shooting farmed animals in enclosures. I will not do it, and it certainly is not a positive for the image of hunting. But, to each their own, hunting will earn it's reputation with the non hunting voters. These voters control our future.
Although I have to admit - this guy DOES have some lovely granddaughters.
Nice that he included them to keep it family-oriented…
That lion was destined To die by lead from the git go. That was clear on the longer video where not one but two gunners were setting up on sticks to sight in on him at arrow impact
That would not have been a bowhunt if the guy was using a self bow let alone a crossbow.
They obviously never thought the arrow would would kill on impact so it was a gun hunt all along with the arrow simply a tool To get him up and moving for the firing squad to conduct the execution
Serious question; do lions always charge after a bow shot? Or is there a rough estimate (like maybe they charge 30% of the time, 50%, 80%)?
After seeing how fast he covered the distance between them there's a 0% chance that I would shoot one without rifle backup.
Catscratch - "Serious question; do lions always charge after a bow shot?"
The videos I watched, they all seemed to charge... Last one I watched, a suffering arrow wounded lion was laying on it's side with mostly it's belly showing for the angle of the shot and dude with bow backed up by gunners stuck him right in the guts and up jumped this pissed off wounded lion straight to the shooters...
Watched the video...that wasn't a hunt, it was an execution.
