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Pat Lefemine 16-Jun-23
Old Reb 16-Jun-23
midwest 16-Jun-23
Charlie Rehor 16-Jun-23
Mad Trapper 16-Jun-23
t-roy 16-Jun-23
Shug 16-Jun-23
Highlife 16-Jun-23
Highlife 16-Jun-23
T-rex 16-Jun-23
carcus 16-Jun-23
Live2Hunt 16-Jun-23
Murph 16-Jun-23
2Wild Bill 16-Jun-23
Bake 16-Jun-23
SaddleReaper 16-Jun-23
Brotsky 16-Jun-23
Bowfreak 16-Jun-23
Ace 16-Jun-23
Kurt 16-Jun-23
Old School 16-Jun-23
WhattheFOC 16-Jun-23
Lewis 16-Jun-23
Rgiesey 16-Jun-23
x-man 16-Jun-23
Bowboy 16-Jun-23
BC 17-Jun-23
Buffalo1 17-Jun-23
W8N4RUT 17-Jun-23
Bowbender 17-Jun-23
Jasper 17-Jun-23
Grey Ghost 17-Jun-23
badbull 17-Jun-23
Pat Lefemine 18-Jun-23
butcherboy 18-Jun-23
Mark Watkins 18-Jun-23
badbull 19-Jun-23
Lawdog 20-Jun-23
APauls 21-Jun-23
Charlie Rehor 21-Jun-23
DanaC 21-Jun-23
Shiras42 23-Jun-23
12yards 23-Jun-23
badbull 23-Jun-23
From: Pat Lefemine

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You guys may recall that I asked this community two important questions: what are your favorite high end arrows, and what is your favorite release style. Our latest article describes an intensive effort to break 40 years of bad habits and improve my shooting. What I didn't expect was that I would nearly double my effective range on targets from 30 to 60 yards. It wasn't easy, and in all honesty I am still perfecting my form and release, but I am very happy with how far I came over the winter and spring months.

It's not easy to break 40 years of bad habits!

From: Old Reb
You're welcome.

From: midwest
Nice work, Pat. There's so much good information out there that can make us better archers if a person seeks it out and really wants to work at it. I'm still nowhere near as good or as consistent as I'd like to be but I sure enjoy shooting now more than ever trying to be the best I can be.

Same for me. The young’s lads on YouTube can teach us quite a bit. I’m finally becoming a “threat”..

good job.

you used to be a big trad guy...what made you decide to go to a compound...was it simply a matter of wanting to be more accurate?

From: Mad Trapper
Now if we can get him to work on his scent control ;-)

From: t-roy
And weed control!

From: Shug
Glad to hear it all came together…. Insightful video

From: Highlife

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From: T-rex
That's awesome Pat! I did similar with my set up although I still fight target panic from time to time where I can't get my release to go off no matter what I do.

2 days ago I shot great (for me) out to 70 yds... last night was one of the bad days and my groups were 12"+ at 70. I know its all in my release.

A couple of years ago I was struggling with TP and I came across Joel Turner on Instagram. I went to his website and sent him an email, my signature had my cell number on it, about an hour after sending the email I get an outa state phone call and it was Joel. He gave me some great pointers and 90% of the time if I do what he said I shoot great. I can recommend his course enough. His instruction made archery fun again for me!


From: carcus
I do everything you've done except the thumb release, I've owned a few and just didn't like them, I now pull through with a stan index, works great

From: Live2Hunt
Good deal Pat. I do have to say, I went to the compound when they first started getting big. I developed TP bad and had to learn how to shoot through it. 7 - 8 years ago I went back to traditional and shoot instinctive. I do not have the TP problems shooting this way. But, if I pick up a compound and see those sights in front of me, the TP all comes back in aces. Even if I goof around and try to gap shoot using the arrow point on my recurve, TP hits. Shooting instinctive takes those sighting tools out of the picture and I focus on the spot and release.

From: Murph
That’s awesome, it’s amazing theirs so many great hunters out their, that don’t put a lot of emphasis on form, fundamentals, and consistent shots, imo being a good archer is the foundation of all successful hunts, physical fitness, scouting, everything else falls second, if you can’t capitalize in the moment none of the rest matters…

From: 2Wild Bill
Pat, You brought us all together for just such a purpose. Glad to hear you reap what you sow, in this case.

From: Bake
Pretty awesome. And really not that hard once you learn it and promote the good habits. I had no mentors, so for many years I struggled to shoot consistently. Like you, 40 yards was where the wheels came off for me.

Finally, in 2008 I moved home to where I was raised and we happened to buy a house across the road from a big indoor shooter. He became my bow guru. First thing he showed me was that I was overdrawn about an inch and a half. He helped me find the right size draw length for me, and groups immediately tightened up when I had a bow that fit.

Then he tuned my bow and taught me proper grip and form. Again, groups tightened up and I started to shoot much better. Until TP hit, and I had to switch to a thumb release.

Once I figured out bow fit, and proper form and tuning, the next best thing for my accuracy was starting to shoot at long distances. I find if I practice at 70-100 yards, my shooting at 40 and 50 seems a lot easier than it used to. They feel like chip shots.

Have fun and take some long shots this fall and post about it so we can all argue :)

From: SaddleReaper
I like the part where you mention feeling like a proficient bowhunter but not the greatest shot - I think many can relate to this, I know I can. So there's always room for self improvement.

It might be the camera angles but throughout the video (I realize footage is split between index and handheld so that changes things) it appears your head position relative the string seems to vary slightly. Using the tip of your nose vs nearly the side might help achieve a truly consistent anchor/ reference point from shot to shot if you're finding inconsistency there.

From: Brotsky
Great job Pat! You're almost ready to come lose all your confidence and arrows with the rest of us at TAC! Ha!

From: Bowfreak
Good for you Pat. Many of us have had to do the same things. Taking your accuracy to another level is so rewarding.

From: Ace
Oh SHIT! Now I have to buy a new bow, new arrows, sight, rest release, quiver, and accessories and then I have to practice a lot.

OK, how much is this going to cost me, ballpark? Probably too late for my upcoming hunt, but ... if I'm being honest, it's time.

From: Kurt
Good stuff Pat! Glad you can shoot better!

And I bet you can learn to shoot the index finger release with back tension just like the thumb release. I did and it has worked great for many years.

Long range practice is fun! Makes you a more accurate bowhunter at closer hunting yardages.

From: Old School
Great write up Pat - thanks for sharing.

From: WhattheFOC
Pat - this was a very bad idea. Do you realize how boring the blood trail challenges are about to become?

Shot a turkey It went 10 steps. Died

From: Lewis
Nice read some good info there thanks for sharing Good luck Lewis

From: Rgiesey
Great deal Pat!

From: x-man
Awesome! and welcome to the club of "yes, I can hit same point of impact with both Field points and broadheads." :)

From: Bowboy
Yep some times were stubborn and resist change. Glad you’re shooting great!

From: BC
I’ve had great luck with Axis match grade also. Great write up. Thanks.

From: Buffalo1
Keep it fresh !! Continue to practice !!!

From: W8N4RUT
I went thru a little re-work on all my gear this past winter. Archery doesn't seem to evolve much but then you really start studying what's out there and it can be fun starting over.

One thing I found was that the calculated weight chart for a lot of arrow manufacturers can be very frustrating. The seem to post an "easy" chart but then a little more digging on their website, etc can show a more detailed chart that can put you in an entirely different spine category. I found this to be especially true with Carbon Express and Ive shot their arrows for many years. The chart they show online vs the one that comes with their packaging are incredibly different.

I ended up with Easton Axis Match Grade and really like them. I was told to go with a very stiff shaft initially, but then went down a spine and they fly beautifully.

Something to look out for...


From: Bowbender
Not sure if it was mentioned, but what release did you end up with?

From: Jasper
Well done Pat! Impressive

From: Grey Ghost
Pat, congrats on your improvement, and thanks for the write-up.

Are you getting a true surprise release with the changes you have made?


From: badbull
Pat, good thread and also I see that you doubled your effective range with your stated efforts which is very impressive. I am wondering if draw weight was a consideration especially at the longer ranges. If so, did you determine that increasing or decreasing draw weight affected your accuracy at any distance? Bob

From: Pat Lefemine
Thanks for the comments guys. It’s been so nice to have this much improvement in a short period of time.

My thumb release is a Tru-Ball Max Pro Plus. I always liked their releases so I went with this one just to try out to see if I could make the switch. Seemed smarter than buying a Stan or other expensive release. I really liked it so I bought another. Tried some expensive releases since and can’t find one I like better than the Tru-Ball so I’ll probably stick with that.

My draw weight was not a factor. Every bow I own is 70lbs.

The Easton arrows are really nice. Very impressive. I was really getting tired of the garbage being produced the last few years where I was throwing out 40-50% of the shafts due to inconsistent spine and weight.

Thanks again.

From: butcherboy
Nice write up. I’ve shot some form of Easton arrows for many many years. Currently shooting axis 340’s off my longbow and fmj 340’s off my compound. I haven’t been able to convince myself to use a collar yet but who knows. I’ve tried a thumb release and that was a disaster! Lol it created so many problems for me. It’s nice to see so many different types of releases now in order to help us improve. Congrats on the improvement!

From: Mark Watkins
Great write up and reminder for all of us......The “continuous improvement journey” means we have to be willing to try new things/new techniques IF we want to improve!


From: badbull
I like the Easton arrows as well. I am wondering why Bass Pro doesn't carry a better selection of Easton arrows as I have a ton of their points but they do not have my required arrow gpi.

From: Lawdog
Thanks for the write up Pat. It got me thinking. Ever since my tree stand accident, I've been struggling to get back to the shooting accuracy that I had before. The Scott Mongoose releases I have for 3D are 20+ years old. My hunting releases are Scott Little Gooses, 10-15 years old. Your article made me think that maybe I should change things up too. Can't hurt. I ordered a Tru Ball Trex 4 finger thumb release and a new Scott S2 release (not a thumb release). We'll see if I can improve my game. Thanks for the tips.

From: APauls
Congrats Pat. Personal progression is fun no matter what area of life!

Yep. You’re either getting better or you’re getting worse. Nothing we do is stationary.

From: DanaC
Good video, regardless of what type of bow you're shooting. If you're not improving it might be time to re-think.

From: Shiras42
Before I switched to trad I had switched to a thumb release with my compound. Made a HUGE difference in my shooting. You can still "punch" it but not near as easily. Looks like you are dialed in and I am ready for another elk hunt from you. :)

From: 12yards
badbull, I think Bass Pro/Cabelas quit carrying Easton arrows.

From: badbull
12yards, I think that you are correct and think that they may be missing out by carrying mostly substandard arrows imo.

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