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Vortex OUTRAGED
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Contributors to this thread:
Ward's Outfitters 22-Jun-23
Medicinemann 22-Jun-23
Medicinemann 22-Jun-23
Lewis 22-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 22-Jun-23
FORESTBOWS 23-Jun-23
Nick Muche 23-Jun-23
Pat Lefemine 23-Jun-23
DanaC 23-Jun-23
WhattheFOC 23-Jun-23
John 23-Jun-23
midwest 23-Jun-23
Mad Trapper 23-Jun-23
RonP 23-Jun-23
Dale06 23-Jun-23
Glunker 23-Jun-23
JTreeman 23-Jun-23
thedude 23-Jun-23
carcus 23-Jun-23
WV Mountaineer 23-Jun-23
RonP 23-Jun-23
Corax_latrans 23-Jun-23
Ambush 23-Jun-23
JTreeman 23-Jun-23
WhattheFOC 23-Jun-23
bowhunt 23-Jun-23
Matt 23-Jun-23
bowhunt 23-Jun-23
Matt 23-Jun-23
Medicinemann 23-Jun-23
KHNC 23-Jun-23
Quinn @work 23-Jun-23
Buck Watcher 23-Jun-23
Nick Muche 23-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 23-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 23-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 23-Jun-23
Bowfreak 23-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 23-Jun-23
keepemsharp 23-Jun-23
yeager 23-Jun-23
JTreeman 23-Jun-23
spike78 23-Jun-23
Ambush 23-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 23-Jun-23
Coyote 65 24-Jun-23
Cazador 24-Jun-23
t-roy 24-Jun-23
JTreeman 24-Jun-23
spike78 24-Jun-23
Grey Ghost 24-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 24-Jun-23
Corax_latrans 24-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 24-Jun-23
Coyote 65 24-Jun-23
Corax_latrans 24-Jun-23
butcherboy 24-Jun-23
Groundhunter 25-Jun-23
DConcrete 25-Jun-23
SaddleReaper 25-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 25-Jun-23
Starfire 25-Jun-23
Ward's Outfitters 25-Jun-23
Matt 25-Jun-23
butcherboy 26-Jun-23
MA-PAdeerslayer 26-Jun-23
smurph 26-Jun-23
shane 02-Jul-23
BOWNBIRDHNTR 03-Jul-23
Mule Power 03-Jul-23
beemann 03-Jul-23
PECO2 03-Jul-23
PECO2 03-Jul-23
Ward's Outfitters 05-Jul-23
krieger 05-Jul-23
Ward's Outfitters 10-Aug-23
BOWNBIRDHNTR 10-Aug-23
Ward's Outfitters 11-Aug-23
Bowfreak 11-Aug-23
spike78 11-Aug-23
22-Jun-23

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Here it is guys the 100 Grain 1.5" Vortex Outraged. The Outraged features all Stainless steel construction. 7/8" closed cutting diameter. The expanded cutting Diameter is 1.5" The Vortex OUTRAGED has been all over the world this season harvesting Cape Buff, Water Buff, Russian Brown bears, Black bears, multiple species of large African game. Testing has showed it out penetrates all other mechanical broadheads in head to head testing. The durability is amazing being shot through 3/4" plywood over 20 times without failure. The vortex OUTRAGED will be available at the beginning or July, just in time for the season. www.vortexbroadheads.com

From: Medicinemann
22-Jun-23
If you had to guess, how many times can the broadhead be shot before the rubber sleeve either breaks or stretches to a point where it doesn't hold the blades tight any longer? What is the coldest temperature that the rubber sleeves has been tested to? I tried to use mechanical broadheads with similar rubber "washers" and they became brittle at fairly cold temperatures, breaking just as I drew the arrow, so the blade actually dangled from the arrow just as I wanted to shoot.

From: Medicinemann
22-Jun-23
Cost?

From: Lewis
22-Jun-23
I responded as soon as I saw it somehow it got lost very interesting head good luck good question Jake Lewis

22-Jun-23
The o-ring has been teste to sub zero temps. typically we get 6 to 8 shots per o-ring. each pack comes with 3 extra.

23-Jun-23
I've shot deer with this head. Gaint hole for the size of the head.

From: Nick Muche
23-Jun-23
I cannot wait to use these. I knew as soon as I seen them back in April they’d be what I’m looking for.

From: Pat Lefemine
23-Jun-23
Agree with Nick. I’m not a mechanical head guy but these may change that. I really like the design and will be trying them out. Oh yeah, love the name!!

From: DanaC
23-Jun-23
Can get o-rings on e-bay cheap.

From: WhattheFOC
23-Jun-23
600 grains - elk :)

From: John
23-Jun-23
Is the entrance hole the same width as the exit? Thanks.

From: midwest
23-Jun-23
Clever name.

23-Jun-23
i might try these with my longbow...talk about OUTRAGED...

;)

From: Mad Trapper
23-Jun-23
I know a guy who had the same issues with a rubber peep tubing ….

From: RonP
23-Jun-23
just curious if there is a functional reason for the 1/2 circle cut-out in the back of the blade?

From: Dale06
23-Jun-23
I’ll stay with a good coc fixed head.

From: Glunker
23-Jun-23
Interesting but seems to be a more of the same.

From: JTreeman
23-Jun-23
Ron, seems fairly obvious to me that cut out is the is to operate the expandable portion of the blade. If it was just sharp the whole way it would probably never open, essentially making it a fixed blade.

—jim

From: thedude
23-Jun-23
Looks kinda like a slick trick with more steps.

From: carcus
23-Jun-23
Interesting looking head, may send a pack to john lusk for testing

23-Jun-23
Yep. Best of both worlds.

From: RonP
23-Jun-23
"Ron, seems fairly obvious to me that cut out is the is to operate the expandable portion of the blade. If it was just sharp the whole way it would probably never open, essentially making it a fixed blade."

Ok, I get it. :). Not too bright this morning. it's been a long week. Thanks.

23-Jun-23
“essentially making it a fixed blade."

God forbid!!

Humor: Since a lot of people seem to regard Rage as junk…

From: Ambush
23-Jun-23
Can you post a few more pics from other angles?

From: JTreeman
23-Jun-23
Corax- I certainly have no problem with a fixed head (or most expandables), my point was more if you are going shoot a 7/8” expandable that won’t open (or inconsistently), why not shoot a high quality fixed head with better performance. Regarding the question of the blade divots.

Seems like this is possibly a situation trying to make “everyone happy” fixed guys and expandable guys) and really not making either happy. LOL Buit I also get it, better mouse trap, businesses need to sell, builders need to innovate, people want to buy. All good.

There are obviously better fixed blades out there and there may or may not be better expandables. But IMO I’m gonna be better off picking one or the other and riding that horse to the finish. I prefer my expendables to have smaller profile closed and a bit bigger when open. I’m willing to take the trade off of one possibly not opening to get those attributes. Others will disagree and that is fine. I’m sure it will kill plenty of animals and some guys will love it and some might hate it. All can be valid opinions for various reasons.

—Jim

From: WhattheFOC
23-Jun-23
Rage CEO “did they just out-rage us? That’s outrageous!!”

Clever name, but that don’t get you in my quiver.

From: bowhunt
23-Jun-23

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Wouldn’t the half circle cut out RonP is talking about be where the rubber O ring goes to hold the blades closed?

It looks to me like the o ring is just behind the blade on the ferule for the photos.

From: Matt
23-Jun-23
No

From: bowhunt
23-Jun-23
That is what catches on the hide/muscle to deploy the blade then I guess.

Interesting

From: Matt
23-Jun-23
Yes

From: Medicinemann
23-Jun-23
I agree with Matt. I believe that the blades pivot as the broadhead enters its target, so the the very bottom of the broadhead rotates inward towards the ferrule.....and as the broadhead continues into the target, the rubber ring would be pushed down the shaft. I like the fact that the "back side" of the broadhead is also sharp, so it cuts even before the blades rotate open.....the only downside to that is that it cuts some tissue that would help deploy the blades.

From: KHNC
23-Jun-23
Since Nick likes them, I probably wont use it. I will stick with Ramcat 100's. The head looks good , so this is my only reason to not try them.

From: Quinn @work
23-Jun-23
They look interesting. Send me a pack and I'll use them on my CO Goat hunt. :).

From: Buck Watcher
23-Jun-23
Made in USA????? Does not say those words on the Vortex website anywhere I can find. Deal breaker for me.

From: Nick Muche
23-Jun-23
They probably won’t work well out of your crossbow anyhow Kenny :)

23-Jun-23

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1. The Cut out in the blade is what helps the blades deploy. 2. We are using this the OUTRAGED with TRADITIONAL BOWS, the hard core trad guys are freaking out lol .

23-Jun-23

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23-Jun-23

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From: Bowfreak
23-Jun-23
I like the looks and the concept of the head. Do the blades rattle within the ferrule when the heads are in a quiver?

23-Jun-23
No they don't rattle. The tolerance is pretty tight

From: keepemsharp
23-Jun-23
The mentioning of sharpening the backside of the broadhead brought up a question. In KS it used to be lillegal to have a barbed head, for some reason that dissapeared from the regs. Perhaps when the mechs came on the scene?

From: yeager
23-Jun-23
Steven, are you eventually going to make a 125 grain Outrage?

From: JTreeman
23-Jun-23
Keepemsharp, generally they don’t consider a broad-head “barbed” if the blades will rotate back, so a head like this that doesn’t lock open would not be considered barbed. Also how ramcat gets away with their design.

But that head is clearly not barbed in any case.

—Jim

From: spike78
23-Jun-23
I find zero reason to sharpen the back of a broadhead. Is a deer really going to grab the arrow with its teeth yank it out and cause catastrophic blood loss through the slit that the head already made? It’s a gimmick just like Biden.

From: Ambush
23-Jun-23
spike78, in this case the "back" was the "front" until it opened and it has to be sharp to penetrate.

And why so friggin contrary and critical all the time?

23-Jun-23
Spike. Look at the broadhead. The initial cutting front edge becomes the back cutting edge.

From: Coyote 65
24-Jun-23
These look much more substantial than the originals. I hit a chain link fence post with one of the originals and it survived. This looks like it would take down the post. BTW the post scored a 42. Did not have it mounted.

Terry

From: Cazador
24-Jun-23

From: t-roy
24-Jun-23
Coyote65……was it considered high fenced?……

Steven…..I’m assuming that in the pics of the open bh, they are fully deployed, correct? Have you encountered any deflection issues on angled shots with the more severe blade angles vs one with a more swept back blade?

From: JTreeman
24-Jun-23
Troy- again I’m no broad-head engineer, but i don’t think blade angle is the driving force behind deflections expedited with some expandables. My understanding is the broadheads most susceptible to defection on steep angles are the “over-the-top style” like the original vortex. As they can tend to have some kick out if only one arm catches hide before the other and then the over the top motion pushes it away from the target.

This design is more like a Swacker style head where the blades dont even begin to pivot until the tip of the BH is inside the skin. It blades would start to open when the notches in the “primary” blade catch skin and rotate the blades back. This is the reason for the smaller entry hole generally experienced with this type head. But at least with this head you are guaranteed a 7/8” entry hole, which is an improvement over a standard Swacker style head IMO.

My concern with the steep angle of the “secondary” expandable portion on the blade would be less penetration as with that blade orientation is generally described as more “chopping” that “slicing” if that makes scense. Steven implies penetration is excellent, and I have never held much less shot this head, so I am only talking in generalities, not specifics, to be clear. But as in life everything is a trade-off, nothing is ever perfect.

—Jim

From: spike78
24-Jun-23
Steven sorry wasn’t referring to your head I meant all the fixed heads out there with sharpened backs it just doesn’t make much sense.

From: Grey Ghost
24-Jun-23
Good luck with the new broadhead, but I'm a hard pass.

Matt

24-Jun-23

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The OUTRAGED being shot through two pieces of 3/4" plywood.

24-Jun-23
Jim - I’m with you on just about all points. Good to see a civilized conversation…

I’ve spent an awful lot of time contemplating mechanical broadhead designs, especially for someone who’d probably never use one anyway. But since I think they’re a bad idea in the first place, I was curious about what it would take to come up with one that I WOULD consider using, and this one is pretty close…

And I’m with you on the idea that it makes very little sense to take on the liabilities of moving parts and not get a very substantial increase in cutting width vs a fixed blade, but I guess it’s an aerodynamic stability thing….

“ Is a deer really going to grab the arrow with its teeth yank it out and….”

If it lives long enough to come out of Flight mode and notice that the arrow is there, causing discomfort, I’d expect that it would. Or maybe it’s more likely that the arrow would hang up on some brush and be pulled out, so I guess the thinking is Why Not get a second pass with the cutting edge?

Personally, sharpened trailing edges and I don’t get along because of my choice of quiver. They’re a hazard. And frankly…. If guys shooting #40 stickbows are expecting an exit wound, then WTH is the deal with compound shooters NOT getting them???

24-Jun-23

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From: Coyote 65
24-Jun-23
Troy, no, not a high fence, just a fence to keep elk and deer out of the garden. Had a target hanging on the chain link part. Missed the target completly, but did centerpunch the post.

Terry

24-Jun-23
Good to know that these heads will stand up to hitting a dickie-bird….

;)

From: butcherboy
24-Jun-23
To a question asked earlier about a deer pulling an arrow out. Yes, they can and do. I’ve seen it firsthand with elk and a fixed blade broadhead. I assume the elk lived and wasn’t mortally wounded but found the full bent arrow with broadhead. Could see where the bull grabbed the arrows by the fletching with its mouth and pulled it out. Kinda neat to see the taste bud marks from its tongue on the fletching. If they can do it with a fixed blade then they can certainly do it with a mechanical. Does it happen often? I doubt it but it can happen.

From: Groundhunter
25-Jun-23
Well the Ram Cat ideas was be sharp on both sides, so if for any reason the head goes backward the blades pivot forward and cut going out. One sheep and alot of deer, 53lb compound all were pass thrus. I would say this head looks to be a good one too, and we'll designed. I bet they would perform well out of a xbow also. I will have to try them

From: DConcrete
25-Jun-23
Do They they also use spring metal like the original vortex does?

From: SaddleReaper
25-Jun-23

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Looks like the dead ringer rampage - reincarnated!

Would be more attractive to me if the "open" position blade angle was not quite as steep.

25-Jun-23
Saddlereaper Vortex owns the patent to those dead ringer heads. Deadringer is no longer authorized to produce them.

From: Starfire
25-Jun-23
and the Dead Ringer Rampage was previously known as the inverter. Marketed by.... wait for it....Ward's Outfitters.

25-Jun-23

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Starefire actually it was marketed by my late father. As the inverter then he sold the rights to deadringer. Deadringer breached their contract and lost the rights to the patents. Last year my father was diagnosed with stage 4 stomach cancer and I moved him and my mother into my home. While Pops live with me we worked on redesign the broadhead. When we finally finished the redesign I asked my dad what he wanted to name it. His response was OUTRAGED. The OUTRAGED is dedicated to our father who passed away in August of last year. The package will have a photo of Pops on it and a small bio on the back. Also a portion of each pack sold will be donated to the stomach cancer foundation.

From: Matt
25-Jun-23
RIP Dennis

From: butcherboy
26-Jun-23
Sorry for your loss. It’s tough to lose a parent, even when we seem ready for it. Sad story behind it but a cool tribute to your dad.

26-Jun-23
Super cool tribute to dad…I’m always up for trying something new on whitetails at home. I’ll probably give ‘em a whirl. Especially hearing the story

From: smurph
26-Jun-23
I was thinking there was a big thread a couple years ago from Ward's Outfitters pushing the Vortex broadheads?

From: shane
02-Jul-23
Are they going to be in 125gr or just 100gr?

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
03-Jul-23
smurph, Outraged in a new model made by Vortex.

From: Mule Power
03-Jul-23
Pass. I wish my body didn’t have moving parts either. I’d feel much better I’m sure.

From: beemann
03-Jul-23
Well as a traditional guy this is interesting. When You build one above 150 grains I will probably give it a try. I have thought about trying a hybrid, Which would be another good idea with this design. Good luck keep at it...

From: PECO2
03-Jul-23
"If guys shooting #40 stickbows are expecting an exit wound, then WTH is the deal with compound shooters NOT getting them???" Stick bow shooters use heavier arrows, more FOC, and less steep angles on their broadheads. Momentum is your friend, not speed.

From: PECO2
03-Jul-23
price?

05-Jul-23
Currently the OUTRAGED is only available in 100 grain. We suggest those that want more FOC to add weighted incerts. The c ost is going to be $59.95 for a pack of three.

From: krieger
05-Jul-23
Looks promising to me, I've taken quite a number of game with Vortex heads, and I like the steel options. Nice to have a smaller to medium width also.

As far as game pulling arrows out, I've personally witnessed it twice, once a yote, 2117 and the other a doe, 2413, IIRC, back in the days of less efficient bows and Satellite Titans, lol

Sharpened back edges may save your blood trail, and if you think it's coming back out just like it went in, you are mistaken. The angle it will be pulled out will always be different than the initial path. Heck, I can't even pull an arrow out of a hog in one pull, without twisting it around some, slight arrow rotation and critter movement are real. No way a critter can pull an arrow and sustain no additional damage. Only question up for debate is how much more, but there will be more..

The more good heads on the market the better IMO. And if I'm shooting longer distances, mech's win every time.

10-Aug-23

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From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
10-Aug-23

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This Muskox was just OUTRAGED! Thanks for another great broadhead Steven.

11-Aug-23
Jeff you are welcome

From: Bowfreak
11-Aug-23
The only negative to the Outraged is price for me. There is nothing really magical about any broadhead and I can't make myself pay significantly more for a head when much cheaper solid alternatives exist. Iron Wills are obviously top notch fixed blade heads but they are not 2X to 3X better than QAD Exodus heads...or maybe I should say they don't kill 2X-3X better. I know this doesn't make sense but for whatever reason I am OK paying $1,500 for bows when $600 bows do the same thing, but I am not in other instances.

From: spike78
11-Aug-23
Bowfreak technically that is backwards logic. I can take a 1990’s old school bow and kill a deer no problem but would want a quality arrow and head that won’t break on impact. Same with guns I can take a $300 budget rifle and shoot a deer no problem at 100 yards but I want a quality bullet that stays together and a quality scope that holds a zero.

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