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“Residents obtaining or renewing licenses or IDs must provide proof of residency, age, citizenship and identity — the same qualifications that apply to voting. Therefore, a person who qualifies for a license or ID also qualifies to be a registered voter, eliminating any doubt about security.”

That came from the governor’s announcement. I don’t know what you mean about “my democrats”. I don’t have any democrats. I’m just reporting what I saw.

Here is a link from ABC News on this.

Illegal aliens are able to obtain PA drivers licenses....

But voter ID is racist. The dems said so.

“ A Pennsylvania Department of State spokesperson told ABC News that people who are not eligible to vote will not be presented with the voter registration screen during any of the DMV processes.”

ALL contrived to keep Democrats in power.

Nevermind the crime the Avg hard working citizen is subjected to Nevermind that this takes jobs and limited resources from citizens Nevermind its more taxes, more bureaucracy, and more pressure on cities, states EVERYONE….weakening our country

Thats what the Dem party is pushing…..its amazing so many fall for it. Dem viters are almost as smart as the new Gun Czar, Harris

Okay so you are saying Illegal aliens are not acquiring PA drivers licenses? I'll believe that when I see it... He!!, Colorado sent out 30,000 voter registrations to non-citizens by mistake (so they say)... It takes 30,000 before they realize it was a mistake.... Give me a break...

https://apnews.com/article/elections-colorado-voting-presidential-voter-registration-440a78fff21bfb75d413c69b0c0f3c61

Or, the right to keep and bear arms should be as easy as voting.

The wrong people running countries and controlling military power have killed far more people throughout history than citizens owning arms have.

Voting is dangerous.

Some people will believe anything that justifies their misdirected rage rather than research whether it is true or not. This sort of ignorance is killing this country.

Matt, you're missing the point - for some people, doing the 'outrage dance' is therapeutic >;-)

do you mean the foxtrot you keep performing about the "ninety- fu**ing one" charges against trump...lol

(Except that's not outrage, it's *glee*)

from the link...

"Making it easier for uninterested, uninformed people to wield political power will inevitably lead to terrible political choices. It expands the pool of citizens to conscript into jury duty, and gives more votes to harvest," the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania said.

The question of 'who gets to vote' has been talked round and round since Athens, BCE. As for jury duty, a jury of "uninterested, uninformed people" is exactly what a lot of defendants _deserve_. Their peers.

I've met 15 year olds who I would trust to vote intelligently, and 30 year olds who should not be allowed to drive. Why do we discriminate based on age?

Still not much discussion here on the weed-heads lying on their 4473's. Should they be allowed to vote? Buy guns legally?

“Some people will believe anything that justifies their misdirected rage rather than research whether it is true or not. This sort of ignorance is killing this country.”

Spot on Matt. Worth repeating.

Some people are so willfully GULLIBLE.

we understand you are gleeful about the charges...you make that quite obvious. the "outrage" comes when people of your ilk insist...at every opportunity... trump is an existential threat to our very democracy.

thats what makes "ballot harvesting" so problematic.

And my *frustration" comes from the fact that so many of you are blithely oblivious to the threat. And will *remain* so even if/when they lock his ass up in Leavenworth. So, I choose to laugh and dance rather than weep bitter tears for the Republic. (For the record, I totally agree with those who say this country is f*ed, but suggesting that 'more Donald Trump' is the solution? Good gravy!)

Why do I have to obey every law to the T, especially FIREARM and TAX laws, but they can pick and chose what laws they choose to follow and suffer no consequence for their actions? What am I, garbage?

'Dehumanization' is now, in some circles, a highly developed art form.

On the other dide of the coin, just like in my own state...people keep voting for these so called "conservative" Republicans that keep doing the same thing the leftist Democrats are doing. You'd think people would figure it out after a while, giving they keep losing more of their liberties n paying more and more taxes. Big government is big government regardless of what banner it operates under

Mizzou, I understand that in certain circles 'woke' is meant to be insulting but consider what UN-woke means. Oblivious to the hunger of children, poverty, disease, etc. "I got mine so F* you!"

Proud *not* to be welcome at your camp.

But wait a minute.....I know most of you American hating wokesters will all be on board with the government paying reparations to people who were never slaves by people who never owned slaves....maybe I should get paid too, because my ancestors followed all the laws and now are made to look like fools for doing so! OKAY!!! Changed my mind! PAY UP!!!

My fathers' family didn't fill out any forms, they just walked south from Canada to New York state, bought some land and worked. Their kids' births were registered, hence citizenship.

(FWIW one of my direct ancestors was in the Union army in the 1860's. My father was named after him.)

We are all in favor of that document, no? Actually that particular provision could and maybe should be revisited...

But for some I guess it's asking too much to expect people to learn the language of the country they CHOSE to come to. How racist!

From the article Zbone provided:

"Sean Morales-Doyle, director of the Voting Rights Program at the Brennan Center for Justice, said the fact that the mistake was caught shows the system is working.

'It should show, first of all, that mistakes can happen, but secondly that there are checks in place to make sure mistakes don’t result in disaster,' Morales-Doyle said. 'It’s not good this happened. It appears to be a case of human error and a database error and not some conspiracy, which I think some critics would seize on.'"

Not everything is a conspiracy, but I understand it's hard to parse that out in the echo-chamber that is Bowsite.

If by “wokster” you mean people pointing out how ridiculous and factually inaccurate the OP is, then yes, lots of woksters.

Now I want Chinese food.

It seems to me there IS a clear path. Fill out application for a green card, get approved (or denied), come into country. Then apply to take citizenship test. Yes, it takes time. Even more time when the courts are overwhelmed with all the illegal entries. But, if it's worth doing, they should do it the right way. It's unfair to those doing it correctly, for literally millions of people to just walk in. My guess is that most of the migrants don't even want to become citizens, they will still get all the benefits of being here except for voting(?), and firearm ownership. And yes, their offspring will become citizens at birth.

My issue is not the folks that want to work. But we don't know who they are. They leave all ID's at the border. No drivers license, no passport, no birth certificate. No footprint at all. People from 150+ countries, including from adversarial countries. Not to mention the getaways and cartel. There will be another 9/11, it won't be on Biden's watch, but it will be due to his policies, and the next administration (R or D), or the one after that will be blamed. I know you don't like Trump, but I think he tried to keep the country safe. This administration is doing just the opposite.

Funny thing is, the people that voted for this, and dubbed their hometown a “sanctuary city”, are now screaming bloody murder that they no longer want the illegals in their self proclaimed “sanctuary city”. It’s quite convenient how it works out. Now they’re in the country, but nobody wants to take responsibility. They just want the votes, and any other fringe benefits they can glean from it.

Meanwhile, the folks that volunteered to fight and die for the freedoms we all enjoy, are being left on the streets to beg and rot. I suppose most of them would pridefully turn down the free hotel rooms that are currently being given to illegal aliens, but I bet they’d appreciate a little support from the country that they selflessly served! Start taking care of our veterans first…then maybe people wouldn’t be so bitter about having to deal with the inconvenience of the country becoming over populated, at twice the speed it would have without them.

Unless I missed it, I still haven’t seen any of the fools that support illegal immigration opening the doors to their homes and giving them a place to live. It’s almost as if they don’t trust illegal immigrants despite how insistent they are about us all accepting their presence. You voted for China joe because trump hurt your feelings, but Trump wouldn’t be selling out the country for more votes. Hell, he’s got "ninety- fu**ing one", not to mention, mostly bogus, charges against him, and he still has more support than China joe ever did, or ever will have. And the crooked lefties scratch their heads as to why that is! Lol!

Part of the country’s problem is similar to Bowsite. A small percentage of us really give a damn about what happens when we vote, if we even chose to take time out if our busy schedules to do so. Most Americans don’t take the time to understand the issues, much care what happens after the votes are counted. But it’s amazing how many will scramble to justify the obvious insanity of it, no matter how stupid it makes the look.

And the law isn’t “just because you have a driver’s license you can vote.” Y'all realize that, right?

if they arent american citizens...i absolutely have a problem with them voting. i dont care how hard working they are.

are you ",,,SERIOUSLY,,," saying you dont have a problem with that...especially if they arent here legally?

I read somewhere that a Muslim dominated city government group was discriminating against gays and transgender folks. What did they expect when they voted those people into office? It boggles the mind.

Exactly. That's commons sense.

And just for the record, when I was in business I had a really good dozer hand that was a Mexican. I only learned after I sold out that his Green Card and his driver’s license was fake. So much for having to show your ID.

The Democrats want to, as Obama said, FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THIS COUNTRY. They’re doing it right now !

It's a constitutional right that all citizens get to vote, doesn’t matter if I agree with them. To be honest, I think the better the economy (the more people earning living wages) the less votes democrats will receive.

Welfare... plenty of people are truly disabled and could use some help. I'm ok with some of my taxes funding that. I work hard to be a productive citizen, give to my community, be a burden to noone, and support our church. I think the system need better vetting of recipients.

There is a clear pathway to citizenship. If a person wants to be afforded the opportunities of this country use that path and make it so.

Am not sure that is true, somebody once told me felons can't vote, but never looked it up to confirm or verify...

I would share one, but of course it’s against the law to do that. You democrat excuse makers are clueless

I would share one, but of course it’s against the law to do that. You democrat excuse makers are clueless "

I didn't read all the posts here but if you infer that having a driver's license in CA gives the right to vote, that isn't true.

"When you apply for a driver’s license in California, do they automatically register you to vote, even if you're not a US citizen?

The California Motor Voter program does not automatically sign up noncitizens. One of the requirements for the program is being s citizen and resident of California.

There is a specific clause that prohibits holders of AB 60 drivers licenses from being eligible for the program. AB 60 licenses are given to undocumented immigrants."

wow...that says a lot about what you think about the constitution and the rule of law.

exactly. we have a friend from korea that recently became a us citizen. the process took years and it wasnt cheap. other than her marriage and the birth of her children...she will tell you that becoming a us citizen was the proudest day of her life. she will also tell you that she is absolutely disgusted by what she sees happening at our borders.

And THAT is WHY so many forego the process and choose to remain IL-legally. Who decided the process needed to be an absolute monster to navigate? Who jacked up the cost?

Pete

Anyone who believes the bulk of today's illegals are hard working job seekers needs a brain, and an education.

Also when they get brought into the system and start paying taxes, they’ll really move to the right.

that is the same amount of respect i have for people who enter the country illegally...consume our resources...and attempt engage in privileges that are reserved for american citizens...zero.

I’m afraid we’re already past that point. The COVID shutdowns have killed American run small businesses, and homelessness, and rampant drug abuse has taken up the sidewalks in front of those shuttered stores and restaurants.

Consider the logistics of attempting a mass deportation at this point in the game. You might be able able to pull a few weeds, but you’ll never get all the roots. And eventually they take over the lawn.

Eventually the Dems will get away with granting mass citizenship to the illegals that are already here, once that happens the system won’t be able to handle the strain of processing all of those driver’s licenses, SS numbers, tax identifications,…etc, etc, etc. the burden will be thrust upon everyone that already holds citizenship. It’s all in the Democrat playbook. Bring the population of illegals up as quickly as possible, give them a little time to have numerous children, which will add to their population. Even though those kids will be citizens by birth, they’ll support their illegal elders by continuing to vote for the Democrats that allow them to stay. All they need to do is continue to cater to the illegal population, and they’re all but guaranteed to stay in power indefinitely.

I have no way of knowing if they voted.

I just renewed my drivers license and there is a multiple choice section on whether you are a citizen or not…. But you are not required to be a US citizen. I cannot remember the exact wording, but there is a section in there that plainly stated you do not have to say whether you are a US citizen or not.

That’s Democrat administrations opening the door for illegal immigrants.

Illegals have drivers licenses fact. The steel dossier was contrived by the Democrats fact I swear some of you democrat excuse makers are in denial and have no clue what your party is doing.

Here is what the differences are:

1. What does an “AB 60 license” do? If you are undocumented, an AB 60 license lets you drive legally in the state provided you meet all other qualifications (such as insurance and passing a driver’s test).

The license can also be used as legal identification with California law enforcement agencies.

2. What can an AB 60 license NOT do? An AB 60 license is not valid for official federal purposes. Therefore it does NOT:

Make you eligible for employment, Allow you to register to vote, or Allow you to obtain public benefits. It also does not protect against discrimination from: Federal law enforcement agencies, or Law enforcement from other states.

i have zero respect for them...just like you. i just dont happen to think it is an either or situation.

ironically...mass illegal immigration and mass welfare abuse are both products of leftist policy...and by no means an accident.

Educated ?..... If that's educated.......glad i'm dumb.

more irony...

mass illegal immigration and mass welfare abuse are the very things will eventually turn america into the "corrupt shit hole country" that they are fleeing.

Wow. Some of you really fall for anything as long as it keeps your anger going.

Congratulations. You are working out just as they want you to.

That comment makes you sound very angry. And I bet you feel that way because you’ve been told to. Fossil fuels will go away. The whole world will see to that, not just Biden. Scheming attacks? Very broad term with no specifics. Personal rights being threatened? Let’s let the courts decide what rights they believe are threatened.

I can tell you that life isn’t all that bad for most of us. We are hunting, fishing, working and spending time with friends and family. It could be better but we aren’t that bad off right now despite what the media says.

One would have to be pretty reality challenged not to know how bad so many things are right now and yes many of them are caused by the feeble man you put in office.

You are a very fortunate person to never have to buy groceries or fuel or buy anything that has an interest rate attached to it or have a retirement fund. You are either extremely blessed or you have so much money that it does not matter. I have lots of friends like that

Inflation is way higher than your news channels tell you it is. It seems not so bad since the Biden regime took energy and food out of the numbers. Very convenient.

I will compliment you though You are the perfect Liberal Democrat. There are several others on the Bowsite that wear that proud badge.

There was a Roman Emperor That you all remind me of.

"And if they do he has good reason to be mad and not from watching the news. One would have to be pretty reality challenged not to know how bad so many things are right now and yes many of them are caused by the feeble man you put in office."

So, you've confirmed what I said and you denied, he was angry and you are angry and feel a right to because of the news you watch. It all depends on which news you watch. Apparently the news you watch is filling you full of propaganda to boost their ratings and hold their base. Keeping you mad.

" I will compliment you though You are the perfect Liberal Democrat. "

Remarks like these from people that know absolutely nothing about me make me realize why it's such a waste of my time trying to have a reasonable discussion here. I hope you don't judge everyone by what you think you know instead of what is real.

Goodbye for this topic.

Need to head to the basement for a little bit I guess. Don't trip over the feeble one in the dark

You do this a lot

You are correct I am furious about the border. Gather your family and come on down to see what a closed border looks like. Maybe it will be Chinese Day or Muslim Day ( carrying prayer rugs- not a racial guess) or even Eastern European day. If you are really lucky it will be a triFecta !! Yea I'm pissed

OMGosh, can't believe that was even said... You think China, India, etc., are gonna quit burning fossil fuels within the next generation??? Give me a freakn break...

You know WHY you can go out on your boat and fish?...sure ya busted your butt who hasn't?...but we have the opportunity's we have because our forefathers MADE THIS COUNTRY WITH SWEAT AND BLOOD ! they fought, bled and died, and carved the country we have out of nothing!

Nothing wrong with coming to this country legally, and you can....But instead of doing it illigelly and freeloading off the American people and benefiting from what we built....TRY tighting your belt, and do something about your poverty in your own dang country.

And for the record bud...not everyone in America can afford to go deep sea fishing in their own boat...about time we start taking care of our own instead of catering to other country's and aliens

I understand where you are coming from, and i'm not passing judgement. Although my situation is simliar to yours...My wife and i also started with nothing, I was married at 19, first child at 20, we had 5 total....I have worked since i was 12 yrs old, started on a farm, then at 14 started construction. later in my 20's i Started my own construction business, High school education, my wife has always been a stay at home mother.. And i also own a boat, camper, large home etc....so yes we worked hard you and i.........bottom line timex......we did it legally, and we did not start out by doing something illegal, then cause problems making others to take care of us, till we could get a piece of the pie.....big difference.

57,300 individuals? thats about 1 weeks worth of people that are crossing our southern border every week.

...and all they want is a better life?

this is one city. what do you think this is costing nationally?

timex...

its interesting that you bring up insurance costs. what percentage of your insurance premium do you think goes to cover illegal aliens both directly and indirectly. when those people show up for medical care...the cost is spread out over all the sorry saps like you and me that are actually paying for insurance.

Short answer....no i would not. Would i want something better for my family?...of course i would, and possibly i WOULD want to come to the U.S, but most certainly i'd use the proper and legal means. More likely though....i'd bust my butt to provide, and i'd make due with what we had.

If i was a mexican, and saw this guy in PA had a construction business...nice home, trucks, ford explorer, camper, boat....hunted and fished a lot...yea, i'd think wow that would be great.....but envy wouldn't drive me across the border illegally.

very few people blame illegal immigrants for wanting something better. But wanting something better normally isn't earned by doing something illegal to begin with. The pity for illegal immigrants would change pretty quickly if they had to house and feed them. Dana C.....how many would you like?....Can we put you down for say 3 family's?

I empathize with people who come for a chance at a better life. In some countries the fascist or socialist governments doom you - and the next ten generations - to poverty *at best*. Not everyone is cut out for a capitalist revolution.

You still seem hung up on that 'illegal' thing. Yeah, the whole immigration process needs revisiting, and yeah, border security can be improved as well. But thinking one OR the other is a solution, is simplistic.

Of course i know the difference between empathy and pity.....Read my post, did i not say i understand ..(very few people blame illegal immigrants for wanting something better") isn't that empathy?

Your curving out around fact.......and the fact is...we have a illegal immigration problem.

Now ya either agree we got to get a whole lot tougher and stop it. Or......we are gonna have to house and feed a whole lot of people.

If you choose the latter......again , How many family's can we put you down to support?

That’s how it used to be. The folks that came through Ellis Island and went through the process the right way, did it with anticipation of a new foundation. Once they put in the work and achieved that foundation, they proudly built their lives with tenacity and determination. Many of them responsible for contributing some of Americas greatest accomplishments. I’m not describing anything we don’t already know.

The fact of the matter is, there are folks that will flat out tell you that we don’t have any open borders and it’s all Fox News lying to us about it. Even though we see the problem on TV and with our own eyes! Remember when border patrol was accused of “whipping” the immigrants?!?! It’s complete Bull***t!!! I’m not going to mention the fact that China Joe came right out and told us this was what he was going to do, yet, “WE”, (and I use the term loosely) apparently and overwhelmingly elected him. and in the process, voted against the guy that promised a secure border, and physically attempted to build it as such, calling him a racist and a bigot.

This administration put out an invitation to everyone outside of the country. Told them they were welcome to come in and stay. Then those poor gullible folks literally walked across the country, in anticipation of free admission. Many of them even had t-shirts that read, "Biden, please let us in!" How many of them have died or been victimized in some way, during their trip to a better life promised to them?

So please, explain to us how this isn’t happening by design. I know you hate trump, but you can’t say, with a straight face, he wouldn’t have done it better. Every elite Democrat currently in office lives behind a gate or some sort of fence for security. Yet when a Trump supporting lawyer tries to defend his property from trespassing by brandishing his weapon, the Democrats, take his weapon and call him a dangerous racist and a bigot. Are you kidding me?!!

Let’s take J6 for example. How could a democrat administration that thrives on their own personal security, allow J6 to take place? Trump even asked Pelosi to bolster security and she refused. So please, help us understand. Tell me I’m wrong when I say the Dem only use fences and walls, or the lack there of, to their own advantage.

Nancy Pelosi refused to denounce MS-13 as they rapidly spread throughout the country. Why would she possibly do that? They aren’t here to work! How many people with ill will towards Americans have taken up residence here? The cartels have an open and clear path to pollute the country with drugs, and kill our children with fentanyl.

Don’t get me wrong Dana, I’d ask Phil these questions, but every time the heat builds up in the kitchen, he heads for the basement. I’d really like hear how he justifies the reality of what the Democrats are doing to this country in an effort to stay in possession of the gavel. Please, please, please!…prove me wrong, I dare ya!

So 150 more headed your way. Not sure what city yet but I know the kind citizens will open their homes wallets and arms to greet them

By the sound of things this morning you seem ready

You and the ‘we hate immigrants’ gang are exactly the reason I can not and will not identify’ as a ‘Republican’. You’re perfectly fine with treating PEOPLE as ‘pawns’ in some sick little ‘game’ of politics. It’s why I’m glad that DeSantis is sinking in the polls. It’s why I will not vote for any Republi-cretin who thinks as you do.

Lol…yeah, at least illegal immigrants aren’t being used as political pawns! Bring them in with no plan whatsoever as to accommodate for them. Just as long as they THINK they’re getting the best deal possible. Again, explain how I’m wrong about the reality of it.

i dont recall ever seeing anyone on here say they "hate immigrants."

can you please point to where that was ever said...or would you rather just admit that youre lying?

that makes about as much sense as saying that anyone here who says they despise poachers must hate hunters.

nice try though...

Keep right on lying and mis-representing my position. I expect nothing else from a bigot who doesn't have the balls to state his hatred honestly. I hate TRUMP. NOT 'Republicans'. I've voted Republican or Libertarian my whole voting life. But keep on telling yourself that never-Trumpers are the enemy.

That exact and totally misinformed statement is why we are where we are. You claim you’re not a liberal, but just like a liberal, you label everything you don’t understand as “hatred”, racism”, etc. etc.

If your children disagree with you, do you label them as haters as well? Just like Phil; you can’t stand behind your ignorant statements. You spew liberal talking points, then take your ball and go home. Step up and state some facts to bolster your argument for once. Otherwise you just look like a troll!

It’s meant to send a message to the idiots that invited them here with no plan of how to take care of them. The Democrats already “F’ed” with them by luring them here with artificial bait to begin with. The fact that you cannot see that is where you went wrong.

You have absolutely no idea how the busing illegals is handled , do you. ?

And there in is the problem

FYI. I don't care about Trump one way or the other. YOU are the one Owned by Trump

I only care about results of votes. Yours have made the problems on the border, crime, inflation so bad. So yes might as well have voted for Biden, same results same damage

Whole new game on the border. lots of Haitians and West Africans Good numbers of middle easterners and the ever increasing numbers of Chinese and Eastern Europeans. You remember all the russians in ocean city md. I'm sure.

Different and more serious of a ballgame

Since you made this public, in the interest of transparency I tried to post my message to you but couldn’t see it. Feel free to and show everyone how I wrote to you an answer you your question, not a request to continue or discussion privately. In fact, I clearly told you I have no interest in having a discussion with you and that would be public or private because you can’t deal with facts.

I am offering this to dispute the fact that I was, as you stated, interested in continuing our discussion offline.

Oh, thanks for the concern but my blood pressure is fine, a little on the low side actually. Despite what you and Shoe believe, I don’t get angry about political discussions. I feel sympathy for some of you because you are so lost. The only negative emotion I feel is frustration that some of you are unable to have a reasonable discussion without trying to minimize, mock, or belittle another person because if their choices.

If you have anything to say to me, unless you’re just showing off, don’t post it here. I will not be back in this thread.

Facts? I’ve already challenged your facts. The ball is in your court to challenge mine. It’s a simple concept. I don’t need to “show off”, I know what the Democrats are doing. Tell me how wrong I am. But do it in a manner that holds, at least, a thimbles worth of conviction.

I've been to boarder states and know people with land on the boarder. It's common to leave water, food, bedding, and shelter out for travelers. They help people no questions asked with no payback expected. Been that way for 60yrs. There's no more room down there. Someone else is going to have to handle the workload and be good Samaritans. It's unfortunate that promises were made that won't be kept. Good people are going to suffer.

I agree with Phil. Some of you have really lost your way in many measures of humanity. Logic and truth was lost miles back.

It also takes a special person to blame all of the world’s problems on other people they have generalized. It’s always someone else’s fault.

Pathetic

So here it is. No illegal immigrant gets shipped anywhere that they do not want to go to. They, tge immigrant single double or family gets to pick where they want to be taken to. When they get enough illegals to fill a bus going to where everyone wants to go, they load it and off they go.

Otherwise it would be kidnapping.

There are lots of inhumane things going on at the Mexican border but transporting illegal to where they want to go is not one of them

KS… who invited/lured them here? The American citizens, or the Democratic Party? It’s funny how the democrats let them in, then blame the citizens for not being sympathetic and understanding. So, why are you, Dana, Phil, and the rest of the apologetics, not inviting them into your own homes? You want us all to be apathetic, you blame us for the dissent, yet you don’t set the example?!? How does that work?

For the record....we have housed family's in need, and send regular payments to "sponsor a child " for children overseas.....We have counseled, shared tears, gave foster children a bed to sleep in, gave vehicles to people in need, etc... I'm not tooting my horn, frankly i prefer for the left hand not to know what the right hand is doing...try reading the bible it's in there.

Would i house an illegal immigrant?....yes, would i feed them? yes, but i would also encourage them to do the right thing...and do it legally. If they must go back...they must go back.

Now......how many illegal immigrants can we put you "hatred" accusers down for to care for until we get them placed?? Or is this just another pathetic example of calling right wrong...and wrong right?

just so i get this straight...no only are they coming here illegally...now its our job to not only accept them but to help them find a job also? do i have that right?

tell me...if youre really concerned about where they can find work...do they have a better chance of finding a job if some of them are are bussed to nyc and other "sanctuary" cities across the country...or if all 1...2...3 million of them pile up in a hand full of border towns in texas and arizona?

that...and i dont see criminal behavior as a solution to my problems.

"It also takes a special person to blame all of the world’s problems on other people they have generalized. It’s always someone else’s fault."

talk about playing politics and blaming others...nyc has received about 60000 "migrants and asylum seekers" in the last year. how many of those were bussed by those evil southern republican governors...and how many of them were transported by the biden admin.

from what ive seen the biden admin has transported about 4 times as many....but of course all you hear about is those evil republican governors and their damn busses.

politics?

blaming others for your problems?

naaa...they wouldnt do something like that...

typical virtue signaling.

just like the "the only difference between you and them is geography" and they just want "a chance at a better life" pablum.

what they are really saying is "look at me everyone...i care more than you..."

The government could TOTALLY get this under control. They CHOOSE not to. And you have to be an idiot not to see the obvious reason why.....

the proof of that is that it was under control (at least as much as it has been for years) under the trump presidency. that literally changed overnight when biden took office. now it is literally the worst it has ever been.

must just be a coincidence...either that or the day biden took office a switch went off and the rest of the world go so bad that there are just so many more people seeking "a chance at a better life."

apparently thats the crap the caring intellectual humanitarians like phil magistro...ksflatlander...danac and a few others here want everyone to believe.

The workers aren't bad people. Many are great just like any group of people. That doesn't change the fact that our terrible border policy is bad for people and the country.

Tell that to the local contractor who went to school got a lisc., gets the appropriate permits, pays WC and is outbid by some low bid company using immigrant or illegal workers. These types of worksites also have blatant safety issues, A well trained eye can spot them in a few moments. The border needs to be fixed now, no more excuses.

I bailed hay, de-tasseled corn and shoveled silage, dirt and shit to make money when I was younger. It's what real Americans do to get by.

Do you really want us to think that Republican governors are sending people to other cities or individual houses is for the benefit of migrants. No communication or logistics with who is receiving them on the other end. It’s solely to prove a point with people as pawns.

The border is a mess and much more so under Biden. Illegals can’t vote federally by law. They shouldn't be allowed to vote in state and local elections either IMO.

dont hold your breath.

theyre only sanctuary cities when it sounds good at cocktail parties...fundraisers...and looks good as a hashtag on twitter. when it comes to actually being a sanctuary for any of these people...they cant cry nimby fast enough...

even if thats the case...what would be wrong with that? dont we teach our children that they must be accountable for their actions? shouldnt both the illegal immigrants and the cities that profess to want them be held accountable too?

If it's that important... I wonder how many communications and logistics are being given to the boarder states prior to receiving their immigrants?

First they let them in and set a court date for several years down the road. What percent are deported after that??

Among those waiting for court dates several years away, how many have a baby? The baby becomes a US citizen. And the whole illegal family gets to stay!!

And then the Democrats propose immigration reform that offers "a path to citizenship". And that citizenship comes with voting as the pot of gold at the end of the libtard rainbow.

No one is fooled by the charade. You either oppose this, or you are a democrat shill (or gullible stooge) willfully letting it happen.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-bill-striking-down-bidens-crackdown-hunting-archery-overwhelmingly-bipartisan-vote.

We hear a lot about how the Biden administration isn't against guns and hunting...of course most of us know better.

It absolutely is!

KS, I’ll ask you again. Who invited them here with no plan whatsoever as to how to take care of them?!? It’s a simple question. You people voted for the administration that pushes this stupidity. What makes you think that those of that DID’NT vote for it should be the ones to suffer the consequences? Again, a simple question.

You tell me. Show me the direct invitation. I don’t see anyone here or otherwise telling people to come here illegally. Or is it the perception that one administration allows it more than the other. Or do things change over time like war, drug and gang wars, global recession, pandemic, ect. That can affect the number of refugees.

Laying all of the broken immigration and illegal alien issues at the feet of one person is…how did you say it…stupidity. We’ve had an immigration problem since I’ve been alive and it won’t be fixed in any single congressional or presidential term. If that were the case then Trump would have built the wall (and have Mexico pay for it) but he didn’t. So with your logic he failed the same as Biden is failing now, all on his own. Trump and all the Trumpers own the failure to build the wall. Some of the Trumpers even managed to con other Trumpers out of money for the wall and are charged with the crime (see Steve Bannon).

Your illogical reasoning is exhausting. Blame it on Biden and everyone who voted for him. Frankly, I couldn’t care less because your reasoning is equivalent to grade school mentality.

Causality is not causation. It appears some of you will never get that.

It's a pretty easy google search; "biden invites migrants immigrants". Lots of articles on how he has invited people to come here illegally.

Seeking asylum is not illegal immigration. It’s actually legal. I agree with the statement. I don’t see any mention of illegal immigration. We should take asylum seekers if they meet the qualifications.

Show me where Biden has directly invited immigrants to cross illegally.

The Obama presidency seen lower illegal immigration vs Trump. And that was with a democratic congress for part of his presidency. Is this really a democrat caused problem or do you all just eat too much propaganda with your cereal? Is this problem way more complex than “it’s all their fault”

Good grief. Put down the Fox News/Newsmax/OAA, Gateway Pundit and live your life and be happy in the best nation on earth.

Some of you are triggered on a daily basis about something. I’ll add that it’s usually based on misinformation.

Agreed! But Biden campaigned on the promise to do nothing about it, and you voted for him anyway.

The following is a quote from the Washington Post analyst Michael Albertus February 17, 2021 at 6:00 a.m. EST

“One of President Biden’s first executive orders was to pause construction on the country’s border wall with Mexico. Last week, Biden doubled down: He declared an end to the national emergency on the border with Mexico and promised that no more taxpayer money would go to the wall.”

It goes on to state that landowners were reluctant to allow construction on their properties.

So why is it so hard for Biden to support border patrol and allow them to do their jobs, instead of stonewalling every effort they make to secure it? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard the lefties say, “Why do we need a wall, walls don’t work?” It’s a ridiculous as saying, “Armed guards in schools are more dangerous to our children. Let’s put up a sign that says “gun free” zone.”

The point is, this administration, not only refuses to acknowledge a problem, they insist on making it impossible to potentially quell it. They’ve exponentially increased the number of migrants coming here. You agree that Biden isn’t doing any better to fix the problem. Do you really think it makes sense to complain about people that don’t feel responsible for the mess, and to refuse to clean it up?

You continue to make ignorant statements about trump and trumpsters owning the problem. The fact of the matter is that the lefties do everything in their power to hinder trumps efforts. Even if it’s at your own expense. Face it, Trump is the one and ONLY reason you stand behind China joe as he miserably fails our country and it’s security. As far as I’m concerned, you’ve got no excuse to bitch at anyone for the current mess you voted for! Not to mention you and everyone else that support Biden, own the countless number of immigrants, including the children, that have died, and been raped or victimized, during their trek to take advantage of the democrats empty promises of paradise.

Grade school mentality? All I can say is, it takes one to know one!!!

what are those qualifications?

"To demonstrate a reasonable fear, the individual must show that there is a “reasonable possibility” that he or she will be tortured in the country of removal or persecuted on the basis of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group."

how many of the millions that have been released into the country (who will likely never even show up for their hearing) meet the above criteria?

"good grief" is right...do you actually believe most of the crap you spew?

That’s news to me. Provide the quote and source for Biden saying exactly what you said he did.

Unlike you and other Trumpers I don’t “stand behind” Biden. I don’t think he is a good leader and I don’t plan to vote for him next round unless the R’s nominate Trump. There’s many things I disagree with Biden and he needs to go away. However, In the words of a former Trump administration official, “I think that Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially American history.” Cassidy Hutchinson. I agree with her.

Illegal immigration is not a big of a threat as Donald Trump is himself. That will factor into how I vote.

"...for the constitution. lol

I'm at the border today doing some scheduling and I ran into one of the State guys I know really well and he is involved with the transportation issues.

He told me that they are about three days away from working the details out with about 96 Sudanese illegals to either the Exmore or Onancock area of the Va Eastern Shore.

For some reason those areas remind them of the coast in Sudan. He was not sure.

Wonder how the new West Africans will get along with the Americanized West Africans

Keep us posted on what kind of workers these people are

From the article.

“The fact is that Biden campaigned for president promising an array of enticements for people to break our laws to enter this country. He promised amnesty for those already here, taxpayer-provided health care, work permits, support for sanctuary cities, and a cessation of deportations.”

Not sure why Obama was brought into the discussion? He did a great job with immigration! Several of my military friends who had a working knowledge of the border at the time nicknamed him the "Exporter in Chief". I think it was easier for him as the media mostly ignored it. biden tried to get a similar media with his ordered media blackout, but his outstanding accomplishments down there keep popping up.

Many of us here mistakenly thought biden influenced the surge at the southern border. Since that's incorrect will you fill us in on what exactly has caused it?

no need to concede imo.

anyone with half a brain...or a modicum of honesty ...knows that the whole "asylum" thing is a ruse. very few if any of these people meet the qualifications for seeking asylum. its nothing more than a dog whistle (leftists love that term) for millions and millions of people to enter the country...and never be heard from again...at least at an asylum hearing.

even if they do happen to attend their hearing and are not granted asylum...many of them still never leave.

Housing, food, clothing, phones, legal representation, Healthcare, schooling, etc? What must this all cost?!?!??!

The "Remain in Mexico" policy while they apply for asylum was the best solution ever, and cost nearly nothing. Biden threw that plan in the trash and opened the flood gates for illegal immigration.

KS, ok, admittedly I can’t find a quote from him saying as much. But in my research, I saw plenty of his claims as to what he would do to alleviate the current situation. From what I can tell, he hasn’t done a single thing he said he would do. In the meantime, border patrol is stretched beyond their limit with no support, people and drugs are still coming across in record numbers, and the so-called sanctuary cities are suddenly reneging on their promise to welcome immigrants with open arms! Bottom line is, Trump is the only one that’s made a significant effort to slow the flow, yet he got stonewalled by the left at every turn, and was chastised for his effort with pompous, arrogant, and self-loathing leftist rhetoric. It amazes me how someones hatred for a person, can turn that person’s otherwise good intentions, into something that looks like malicious intent. I think you and I both know, although trump isn’t perfect, he definitely does not seek to ruin the country. I even saw an article saying that trump was “threatening democracy” by attempting to keep the UAW from extorting more money from, and forcing auto manufacturers to head back overseas. God forbid we try to keep Americans working while we’re trying to find jobs for these countless illegal aliens!

So, I guess my question to you is; what significant changes has Biden made since taking office, to improve things, and what did trump do, when in office, to make them as bad as his haters claim?

I think this is the first time in my lifetime that I’ve seen the left actually complain about the immigration crisis. So obviously there’s a different dynamic taking place. Why isn’t the current administration making it a priority to address? They sure as hell aren’t busy with “more pressing” issues. Well, that is, except for concentrating on deciding how Fetterman should dress while he works for the people, within “ the peoples” house.

What say you?

Neither party has addressed the border issue in many years.

It's hard to convince people that big government isn't a positive thing, it's obvious looking at who ends up on the primary tickets.

In my own state, people keep voting for Democrats n Republicans...ending up with bigger government and less liberty, but it's hard to convince people that less government is a positive thing.

I've never seen a country tax n regulate their way to prosperity...ain't gonna happen.

There are plenty of black people who work low income jobs and receive housing and WIC assistance. The same could be said for any low income workers.... white, Spanish, afghan, etc. You are not comparing apples to apples.

The U.S. let's one million new LEGAL immigrants in every year with all the legal rights to work and citizenship that comes with the process.

We are talking about the Biden/Mayorkas wave of ILLEGAL immigration on top of that, and the additional drain it places on an already over burdened system $33 trillion in debt. And the long term plan of Democrats to add these criminal invaders to the voting rolls ("pathway to citizenship")

You were 17 in the 9th grade? Which grade was the hardest 3 years of your life? :-)

Matt

He/she is arguing that it's just not right to bus immigrants to these Dem run cities...'It's not Christian" Ha....while casually ignoring the devastation to Texas created by the hoards entering every day for years. In some cases the immigrants outnumber the citizens of these border towns. Forget the Horrible policy by his guy Biden....but spread a few busses of immigrants to a city of 10 million....and they while like a newborn baby.

Excuse makers like KS will never get it until they are hit over the head with it.....I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I have employees that have been robbed and assaulted by illegals....and the cops will never catch these people...duh, they are illegals.

Hopefully that avg citizen is starting to get it...before it's too late.

The Democrat mayor of El Paso, Texas, has started bussing migrants to New York, Chicago, and Denver.

Democrats have repeatedly claimed that Republican governors bussing migrants to “sanctuary cities” is cruel and “inhumane.”

El Paso’s liberal Mayor Oscar Leeser apparently disagrees, saying that the city has reached “a breaking point.”

“The city of El Paso only has so many resources and we have come to … a breaking point right now,” Leeser said at a press conference on Saturday.

“I think it’s really important to note that we have a broken immigration system,” Lesser added. “It’s the same thing over and over again.”

However bad you think it is your neck of the woods (with lazy freeloaders sucking taxpayer money) add 7 million MORE illegals and it is going to only get worse. The Dems perfected miking the welfare state, and they are going to do the same to enslave and exploit migrant workers!

If you wanted to trade one loser out for every new immigrant in, I would be all for it. Buy we simply CANNOT keep adding bodies on top of the existing problem we already have!!

I don’t think we are exactly on the same page on that. Trump might not intend to ruin the country but I’ve never heard so much talk calling for civil war coming from Trumpers (example Woods Walker). Civil war would likely ruin the country. He my not intend to but his narcissism is going down that road.

I agree the border is a mess and Biden is the Commander-in-Chief so it’s on him. However, if illegal immigration is caused by Ds then why was illegal immigration so low under Obama. Why is it that most illegals are not Mexican but from South America countries?

It’s so much more complex than and single person’s fault.

Virtual signaling. LOL Beendare, you don’t even know me or my virtue. What a freaking triggered simpleton. You’re ranting or raving about some misinformation nearly everyday. Give it a rest.

But we know they murder…..

The Cavalcante Escape: A Case Study on the Impact of Dem Policies

The Cavalcante episode presents a case study. When an illegal immigrant, a double-murderer who had been previously arrested for domestic violence and allowed to go back home (to the woman he eventually slashed to death in front of her children) escapes from a short-staffed prison in the same way that another prisoner had escaped just weeks earlier;

when there is no K-9 unit so that trained dogs were not available to hunt the escapee; when the district attorney waited for hours to release the murderer’s picture to the public and didn’t ask state police for help until Day 5;

when the sheriff held a campaign fundraiser, posting pictures on social media, while the escapee was still on the run; and when the Chester County Prison Board is chaired by and made up largely of the county commissioners, the DA, the sheriff, and the controller, all Democrats – why is it wrong to raise these factual points, tie them to the disastrous results, and demand accountability?

The party of “defund the police” and “open up the southern border” needs to answer questions. When he was arrested for domestic violence, why was Cavalcante not sent back to Brazil – where there’s a warrant for him on murder charges? Why did the prison accept a double murderer if it was already short-staffed? Why not place Cavalcante under armed guard? Why haven’t they reinstated a K-9 unit at the prison? Why let him go outside to “get exercise?”

These are ( DEMOCRAT) policy choices, made with terrible judgment.

( Real Clear article by Guy Ciarrochi previous Chester county Chamber CEO)

How many more murderers, rapists and terrorists Did the Dems let in? ITS A SIMPLE CONCEPT THAT THE DNC IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE; When there is no vetting…its a message to every low life criminal, murderer, child abuser- CMON IN, WE DON’T CHECK.

After originally being wanted by Brazilian authorities for his alleged role in the shooting death of Valter Júnior Moreira dos Reis in 2017, Cavalcante fled to the United States. Four years later, in April 2021, Cavalcante was arrested for fatally stabbing his ex-girlfriend, Deborah Brandão.

And Dem diehards are defending the current admin policy that put this guy in-our midst.

Its inconvenient to the Dems Gun narrative that the reason they caught him; a homeowner shot him when he broke into his garage to steal a rifle.

LMAO

Brutal criminals and you are LMAO? Wow

I’m all for an intelligent discussion….

When will the Democrats stop to answer the question; How many of these undocumented folks are criminals, Terrorists, Murderers, Child Abusers, etc? Heck, we don’t even know how many got in…..

Dems whine about the conservative Tx governor spreading the problem to Dem cities but at least one Dem mayor is doing the same …Oops, that destroys your rant against Conservatives.

This is the problem Dem voters helped create by electing Biden….and some here illustrate time after time they are willing to ignore the ugly facts of illegal immigration or take any responsibility.

Heck, many of you had to research it to find that illegals are getting drivers licenses….ooops, better leave the discussion.

Its a sign of character to admit you are wrong …or that policy like this flood of illegals is just bad policy…instead some continue to defend this idiocy. Unbelievable.

Gentlemen this is the ravings of the person that knows more than you, is smarter than you and basically looks at each of you as one of the deployables that Hillary spoke of.

When in reality the last time he addressed me he fixated in an odd manner about Vaseline and shortly after that he referenced another poster with a vicious innuendo about a circle jerk and then he conveniently disappeared into the mountains with three "friends" to supposedly hunt elk. But returned without a follow-up. Just saying?

He admits he would continue to ruin this country with his next vote in spite of the fact he is not pleased with his last vote for the feeble one

Point: why waste your time communicating and arguing with a person that disrespects you and this country.

Your choice but not worth anymore of my time

Many years ago my foreman Esteban’s wife was murdered by an illegal. She was watching a friends baby at their home. The friend had split from her illegal husband and he was trying to take the baby back to Mexico. He went to Estebans home in BayPoint, she wouldn’t give him the baby and the idiot while pointing the gun accidentally (?) shot both Estebans wife and the baby she held. Then the guy blew his own head off right there in Estebans living room.

What this Biden letting everyone and anyone in immigration hoping they vote Democrat policy promotes…its a gold rush for bad actors.

Thanks Democrats.

Heres Musk at Eagle Pass talking to many of the folks getting bombarded on the Mexican border….Twitter link

The lmao crowd of dem defenders won’t watch it…an inconvenient truth. Its an eye opener.

The Border agents aren’t stopping many….they are there just processing. There is very little Border patrolling going on.

there are hardened men coming through with multiple teardrops tatoo’d on their face and they get through because we cannot do the background check….thats on The Biden Democrats.

I haven’t heard trump calling for a civil war. Are there folks that may be concerned about one? Absolutely! I e even made the comment that it’s a possibility. With the crap this administration is pushing it’s definitely a real threat from extremists. Of course, that’s the rhetoric you’ll get when you attempt to hamstring the previous president with a plethora of false accusations and blatant tendencies of vigilante justice. Which, in my opinion, is no different than threatening a potential civil war.

maybe they could laugh their asses off about this too.

"A Polk County, Florida, human trafficking operation earlier this month led to the arrests of 219 people, including people in the country illegally, a high school teacher, and three Disney employees, according to authorities.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd on Thursday announced the results of the operation, saying out of 119 prostitutes who were arrested during the operation that began last week, 21 were possible victims of human trafficking.

Two suspects were charged with human trafficking, and both were in the U.S. illegally."

what could be funnier than a little human trafficking. after all... theyre only looking for "a chance at a better life." and "the only difference between you and them is geography."

What a crock of bullsnot. Criminal Trump will not be President, just Prisoner. Fraud in New York, soon he'll be moving from Florida to Ossining NY. One room, no view.

nah...theyll just slow walk all the charges beyond the statute of limitations...and then he will plead guilty to the misdemeanor charge of buying a super-size diet coke in nyc...with the agreement that he can not be charged with anything else...past...present...or future.

that appears to be the way these things work.

I understand that you’re frightened, but it looks as though not everyone agrees with you! And before you start bashing the article as fake news, you’ll be surprised to learn that it came from your very own “truth” media outlet CNN. Lol!

You seem surprised that an illegal would capitalize on or exploit another illegal ....."

im not surprised by that at all. you seem to be missing the point. what surprises me is our willingness to stand aside and let them into the country...virtually unchecked.

lets assume that 95% of all the people flooding across the border are just seeking "a chance a better life" that works out to about 250,000 of the people (about 6 million...and that doesnt include another 1-2 million "gotaways") that have come across just since biden has been president...have less than good intentions.

what i am surprised about is that some people here dont see that as a problem.

by the way...if tyson...or anyone else... is found to be employing illegal children...they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...or maybe we should just laugh our asses off about it...and suggest youre just being triggered.

Tell me you truly believe that Trump is a patriot who is also an awesome business man.

But you can't use Trump in your answer

PS being 'consumed' by Trump would be the religious devotion showed to him even as all his lies, schemes, rapes, frauds etc are revealed daily. Even a dog ain't that loyal.

PPS "He knows nothing about real estate how it's valued and how developers value it." 2 billion dollars worth of LIES is just a 'question of valuation'? Is that what they teach you in the Church of Trump (tm) ? You guys make satanists look rational by comparison.

Carry on...

Despite what the left wing media tells us, there is no evidence to the contrary. I’ve always thought we needed a business man in office rather than a career politician. Trump proved that theory right, and made life for the middle class a little more bearable. Is he a patriot? More so than anyone I’ve seen in office recently. Including China joe. He knows as well as the rest of us what the swamp holds. Unfortunately the swamp is large, and they look out for each other in the interest of keeping power and getting rich off of the backs of good Americans.

Have I been conned the hardest?! I don’t know, but unlike you I didn’t run out and get vaccinated just because the media told me I would die without it. I’m still alive, so is trump. More than likely you’ll need to be prescribed sleep enhancement medication. In much the same way you want him convicted out of hatred, I want to see him exonerated, so I can enjoy watching mass head explosions from the anti trumpers!

You last post was pure simplistic childish dribble AND you used Trumps name and you did not defend your Biden position other than he is not Trump.

Carry on with your masterful on-site to all things past and present.

Please have another wonderful weekend pecking out the world famous TB1 wisdom to the masses far and wide

If you had been paying attention since 2016, you'd know that that is GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. In 2016 I was 'anybody but Hillary' up until the GOP nominated Trump. Then I knew that you partisans had lost you collective minds. And I've seen nothing since to convince me otherwise. Keep sending Trump your dollars, his lawyers will thank you. Better yet, send some to his pal Rudy, whose lawyers are owed millions and are bailing on him. Chumps.

You have never heard me talk about being a Trump devotee Yet in your mind that is not devoted to all things Trump (very small area) you think that anyone that thinks you are clinically insane for putting the fool Biden into office , must be a Trumpee

So sad how you and others have contributed to the various disasters that this country is experiencing due to the single hatred of one person. So sad so childish and so liberal

Since Trump basically owns big Dana I figured Trumps Bi..ch #1 would fit him perfectly. I think he likes it and it's just juvenile enough to fit my personality.

"You have never heard me talk about being a Trump devotee..." ROTFLMAO!!! You say that while wearing MAGA knee pads >;-)

You got all weekend to pull that out of your ass. Dove last weekend and I have to meet a plane for this weekend. Those fish are not going to catch themselves.

Peck away and post the picture. Be fun to start a new thread since it's such a big event in your world

Just an FYI. Only time I think of Trump is when I laugh about him owning guys like you and Flatlander and if someone bro gs him up. I'm to busy to worry about him and I just get busier as the season gets closer and closer

I'm sure you will be a good Pecker this weekend. Don't break you keyboard. Looking to see your results on Monday morning when I log on

Liberals will tell you the USA absolutely has to have them. Outside US labor laws, illegally coming here, low wages, keep them shackled economically .... Liberals want the very low wage earners to be here so they can have cheap avacados and lettuce, nice mowed yards, clean houses and someone to shingle their roofs

they don't care about the massive abuse to children coming up the southern border, the illegal aspects of it, the abuse to hiring illegal labor or all the disease/criminals etc .... none of that matters

open border, bring in hundreds of millions, its the right thing to do it seems to a liberal mind :(

"If you had been paying attention since 2016, you'd know that that is GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME."

so can we assume you voted for hillary too?

apparently you make your voting decisions based on emotion and not logic. good luck with that.

who else would you vote for if they were running against trump? newsome? aoc? sanders? whitmer? obama? Buttigieg?

PS Hillary was and still remains scum. I've stated that I was ABC - Anybody But Clinton - right up until the GOP nominated Trump. Believe it or don't. (You probably didn't participate in the old political forum over on T***talk back then...)

PPS I don't need to 'vote for' anybody, Massachusetts electoral college votes will go to the Democrat even if it's George McGovern. My votes are 'protest' votes. But I will vote in the GOP primary, for ABT.

wow...you have a strange definition of a "chosen one." i never voted for trump in a primary and likely wont this time. you just keep repeating that lie...you seem to be pretty good at it.

when it comes to the general...i will vote based on logic...not emotion...and i will vote for whoever the republican nominee is...including trump.

i dont try to make myself feel better by casting protest votes based on personality. not interested in cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Trump was a fraud/liar/rapist/cheat-on-his-wife long before he decided to con the GOP into thinking he was one of them.

And I usually cast my 'protest' vote for the Libertarian candidate, because both D's & R's suck. I did vote for Romney, but that went nowhere.

and biden is different how? and he conned the public into thinking he was just old jovial uncle joe from scranton.

talk about lmao.

but hey, youre welcome to convince yourself of anything you like. just be careful though...patting yourself on the back like that isnt good for your rotator cuff.

Says the guy who knows who he will vote for the rest of his life without even knowing the candidates name or stance on any policies. ROTFLMAO. Another low information voter. No logic or emotion involved at all. Rush would be proud.

timex?, no, it is obviously not a real photo. where are epstein's legs in the photo? good grief.

not quite. i dont know who...but i do know what. as long as we have a two party system...you are somewhat correct. that is the logical stance for anyone who knows how the power structure works in washington. only a fool thinks they are voting for a person and not a party platform. thats the only think here thats laughable.

anyone who claims to be conservative and votes for a democrat is either lying about being a conservative...or an idiot.

trumps personal views on abortion...changing or not...are irrelevant to me. your statement just shows how ignorant you are about such how things work. whats relevant is what laws can and cant be passed by congress (not the president)...and what the supreme court will eventually have to say on the matter. people of your ilk seem to think presidents can just make laws...but they cant. thats why everything is about numbers and control...the number of r's vs the number of d's.

"…you’re so full of it."

says the guy who claims his vote for biden was a vote...wait for it..."for the constitution."

you literally cant make this stuff up.

not to mention the girl on the left...that is one seeeeeeeriously loooooong arm. lol

Victor David Hanson wrote a great article outlining how liberal progressive policy has destroyed California…the same policy that Newsom has accelerated and pushed hard.

Excerpts; (Re High speed rail project to do away with polluting planes)

The rail authority now estimates that just the modest 178 mile route—only about a fifth of the authorized distance—will not be completed at least until 2030. Past high speed estimates of both time and cost targets have been widely wrong and perhaps deliberately misleading.

Total costs for the entire project are now estimated at nearly $130 billion. Many expect that figure to double in the next quarter-century. Planners also concede there will likely not be much high speed rider demand from San Joaquin Valley residents willing to pay $86 to travel at a supposed 200 mph from Bakersfield to Merced.

( the drought problem in Ca is really a water storage problem) Nine years ago voters amid drought and water shortages also passed a state water bond, authorizing $7.5 billion in new water projects and initiatives.

Some $2.7 billion was targeted for new dams and reservoirs. The current water storage system had not been enlarged since the early 1980s, when the state population was 15 million fewer residents. So far not a single dam or new reservoir has been built. And Californians expect more water rationing statewide anytime the state experiences a modest drought.

( where has liberal Dem policy got us?)

The state’s public unions and bloated bureaucracies guaranteed Soviet-style overhead, incompetence, and unaccountability. The more California raised its income taxes—currently the nation’s highest topping out at 13.3 percent—the more it borrowed, spent, and ran up huge annual budget deficits.

The nation’s highest gasoline taxes along with steep sales and property taxes—coupled with unaffordable fuel and housing, a homeless epidemic, dismal public schools, out-of-control crime, and mass, illegal immigration—soon all led to a bifurcated state of rich and poor.

Millions of impoverished illegal immigrants arrived over the last 30 years without legality, English, or high school diplomas.

And thus millions were immediately in dire need of costly state-supplied health, education, housing, and food subsidies. Currently well over half of all California births are paid for by Medi-Cal. Well over a third of the resident population depends on the state to provide all their health care needs.

Twenty-seven percent of California’s resident population was not born in the United States. That reality created a vast challenge of civic education to ensure assimilation and integration. Unfortunately, millions entered California at precisely the time of a new tribalism and racial essentialism that has taken hold of the state’s government, media, schools, and universities. Tribalism, not the melting-pot, is California’s paradigm.

California is a one-party state. There are no statewide Republican elected officeholders. Progressive Democrats also enjoy a supermajority in both houses of the legislature. Only 12 of 52 congressional seats are held by Republicans. And almost all of California leftwing politicians are funded or influenced by Silicon Valley—the richest corridor in civilizational history, with $9 trillion in market capitalization.

( Those are the facts- more at link— when will these liberal Dems figure it out- pretty obvious their ideology is not working)

They don’t know any better. They believe everything they’re told. If it goes against their brainwashed logic, they call it misinformation. You’ll never convince them otherwise!

you should take it more seriously. posting crap like that "just to ruffle feathers" is much more damaging than you know. i suspect you do know how damaging it is...thats why you have no problem doing it. how many people have seen that picture (and dozens more just like it) and just assume its legit.

sorry...but if you spread it you are just as bad as the people who make it. you are part of the "fake news" apparatus .

its not innocent fun...people are making serious decisions based on fake and falsified information.

"Even though I do occasionally have useful knowledge on certain subjects that I hope can/ will help someone out." That's like Kermit the frog wondering where are all the people he gave directions to.

Having admitted you are a stranger with a fictitious name and here to entertain yourself, why should anyone on this site trust "anything" you say?

It's the folks that do know...or at least have an inkling...and they refuse to address it are the ones that offer the rest of us no hope to ever rectify this government of ours.

Tens of thousands flooding across our border on some days....many hardened criminals...and there are some folks- some here as a matter of fact- that somehow ignore that this will cost our country dearly for decades. Their guy can be bought and paid for....and so senile he is a laughing stock to the rest of the world and they literally don't care....or even worse, try to make excuses.

Interesting. What 'case' will be brought to court, and make its way up to SCOTUS?