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World Aquatics originally announced an event to allow transgender swimmers to compete at the Berlin Swimming World Cup

"World Aquatics, formerly known as FINA, originally announced in July that the Berlin Swimming World Cup would be the first competition to have an "open category" for all swimmers. The event announcement followed backlash from LGBTQ activists to its "gender inclusion policy" established in 2022 that only permitted transwomen swimmers who began transitioning before age 12 to compete in women’s categories.

Days before it was set to begin on Oct. 6, the "open category" event was dropped with the organization citing "zero" entries."

who thinks this is the right way to go? does world aquatics have the right idea going forward?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/open-category-transgender-swimmers-scrapped-due-lack-interest-world-cup-germany

Virginia swimmers unite, speak out after biological male pulls Lia Thomas, tries to join team

"ROANOKE, VA – The battle Penn swimmer Lia Thomas started nearly two years ago when the biological male swimmer proudly held firm to a NCAA women’s swimming national championship trophy took a twist Thursday in Virginia where 10 members of the Roanoke College women’s swim team stood up as a group to speak out for fairness in sports after a biological male attempted to join their team."

UK prime minister says country shouldn't 'be bullied' into believing there are more than 2 genders

"United Kingdom Prime Minister Rishi Sunak went viral this week for a speech in which he said no one should be "bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want."

"We are going to change this country, and that means life. Now, that shouldn’t be a controversial position," Sunak said. "The vast majority of hard-working people agree with it. It also shouldn’t be controversial for parents to know what their children are being taught in school about relationships. Patients should know when hospitals are talking about men or women."

"And we shouldn’t get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be. They can’t. Man is a man, and a woman is a woman, that’s just common sense..."

you might be right...

sounds to me like it would be best for biological females to compete against biological females...and biological males to compete against biological males. i wonder if anyone has thought of that?

No one should be bullied into any aspect of their lives.. Easy to see when this happens as a discussion turns into swearing and name calling, as there is no appropriate argument and the bully knows it.

Actually, silence gives consent.

"A Wisconsin judge ruled Tuesday in favor of parents and their right to know about their child's gender transition.

Parents sued the Kettle Moraine School District outside Milwaukee, Wisconsin, over its policy that enabled and supported students' transitions to different gender identities at school without informing or receiving consent from a child's parents.

Judge Michael Maxwell ruled in the Waukesha County Circuit Court that the policy "violates parents’ constitutional right to determine the appropriate medical and healthcare for their children." Going forward, the judge said the district is no longer permitted to allow or require "staff to refer to students using a name or pronouns at odds with the student’s biological sex, while at school, without express parental consent."

So....

I like the idea of trying to have a specific category... the challenge however is that there are actually so few (dont watch right wing anger enhancement news, because you will assume 90% of men are 50% of the way through transition, when in reality it's a tiny number) people, that it's going to be hard to form races. An "open" category some amateur bike races are using could work.

In the end, Women race Genetic Women. Genetic men can race anyone. An open category for anyone who wants to compete in it would be fine. Regrettably, some situations limit our ability to do things or participate in some activities.

So, should trans folks have the same freedoms as others? Yes. Should people treat trans folks badly, no. Sport, though, is an area where even playing fields are not possible, and rules need to be applied. Not everyone will be happy. And that's ok.

How odd that this is not a "thing" yet?

Pete

Will, respectfully.. There isn't any such thing as a "people who were males."

If you are born male, you will die male. Humanly and medically impossible for a male to change his XY to YY, change his DNA, and remove his penis and male reproductive system, and replace with a vagina and female reproductive system.

what exactly does that mean? trans people shouldnt have any more or any less rights than anyone else. they are entitled to every right afforded anyone else by the constitution. what rights are they being denied?

The right that everyone not only accept their gender confusion, but celebrate it as well. I do have a question. If having gentials doesn't define your gender, how does removing them identify it?

Plenty of rights exist that the Constitution is completely silent on. And if you want to know what trans rights and freedoms are under attack, plenty of places to find that.

some people are the only ones confused.

i looked through the bills at your link...what specific constitutional rights are trans people being denied?

Not being granted he right to abuse children seems to be the main theme of that website. But then again, that seems to be the main theme of everything that liberals claim to be denied.

i agree. ive felt for a long time that none of this would change until biological females stood up for themselves. up until now...they have been bullied into silence. all it would take is for a few teams to stand together and refuse to compete against or with a biological male. when high schools and colleges are forced to forfeit every match...it would change in short order.

if feminists groups had any balls (pun intended)...they would stand up for females too.

i understand it. the radical left supports abortion.

when it comes to taking a stand on having to compete against biological males...they are afraid...and justifiably so... of being bullied...cancelled...physically assaulted...losing scholarships...losing career opportunities...etc.

there is power in numbers though...we are starting to see that.

Family of Loudoun County sexual assault victim sues district for $30M over student's rape in school bathroom

"The family of a teenage girl who was raped in a high school bathroom is suing Loudoun County Public Schools in Virginia for $30 million over accusations the school district failed to adequately investigate and that it attempted to cover up the sexual assault.

The Northern Virginia district garnered national attention after a father, Scott Smith, made allegations at a June 2021 school board meeting that it covered up his daughter's sexual assault from May 28 of that year, when he alleges a biological boy wearing a skirt raped her in the girls' bathroom at Stone Bridge High School. Smith said the district had attempted to cover up his daughter's assault to push its controversial transgender bathroom policy, which faced parental protests at LCPS school board meetings that year.

The student accused of rape was charged after the May assault and barred by court order from returning to Stone Bridge. The attacker was then transferred by administrators to another school in the district, Broad Run High School, where the student sexually assaulted another girl in an empty classroom in October 2021. The attacker, who was 15 at the time, was convicted as a juvenile in both cases."

Nobody said anything about the Constitution but you. We do not derive rights from the Constitution.

Lots of Bills will Butt hurt a few sick individuals but who cares

Apparently there are plenty of them. I just can’t figure out why the people that make the claim, can’t tell us what those rights are.

There you go

You mean your path that you choose for them. So you get to decide those things for others. Got it. Your statement is directly contradicting those unalienable rights.

I chose nothing for them or anybody else. They are free to enjoy Life Liberty and he Pursuit of Happiness. Just like you.

You could twist a pretzel straight.

are those absolute?

Are there any rights that are absolute?

exactly.

as it pertains to this conversation...how are anyones rights being infringed?

do biological males have the right to compete against biological females?

do teachers or anyone else have the right to aid in a minor childs gender transition without the parents knowledge?

do biological males have the right to rape biological females in school restrooms?

The right to hold both religious and non religious views

Anyone can have any view/thought they want in their head lol. You must be talking about expression of that view.

What if animal (including human) sacrifice is your “view” as a part of your religion. Can you do that in the U.S.? You can have any thought/view you want but the expression of that view is not absolute.

I’m pretty sure the exploitation of children is not included in those. Of course, I may be wrong. There are plenty of people that think it’s ok.

So what else? Are they taxed differently than the rest of us? Do they pay more for fuel and food than the rest of us? Do they pay more for vehicles, education, etc? What else, other than privately owned companies that can choose who they serve, including Trump supporters? Hillary Clinton is calling for the “deprograming” of MAGA supporters. Do you support that? Is the government calling for the deprograming of trans folks as well?

i agree.

so if a biological males "pursuit of happiness" is entering a school bathroom dressed as a girl and raping someone, should that be absolute?

or how about performing sexually explicit acts on a public street during a pride parade? those folks look pretty happy doing it but should that be absolute?

or how about if your "happiness" includes expressing yourself through pornographic literature available at a middle school library? absolute?

how about if a teacher finds great "happiness" helping young student with his or her gender transition...even encouraging it... without notifying their parents? absolute?

how about if a fully intact biological male finds "happiness" dressing and undressing in front of females in a college locker room...or racing against them in a swimming competition...absolute?

actually you can...human sacrifice is carried out somewhere between 600,000 and 1,000,000 times per year in the united states...but thats a different discussion for a different day.

An open category for trans swimmers....how many will there really be? It's a shame we even discuss this stuff. What it amounts to is a very small percent of the population wants to fuss like a bunch of whining baby's.......then it gets everyone else fussed up, and sick of hearing it, and sick of it being pushed on them.

"i'm a man...and i feel like a woman....and i want everyone to recognize me and applaud me, and you have to let me in the girls bathroom etc..."

And right away the liberal democrats or whoever , want to run to their rescue. what a circus.

In a short while we will sit around tables celebrating thanksgiving.....many of us will pray, give thanks, enjoy normal family time...moms, dads, kids, grandkids, aunts, uncles, cousins...etc...talk football, hunting, fishing, normal family talk.

a few family's (if they gather)....might get together....This is my mom...that used to be my dad, little betty is getting changed to little billy.....and i think my brother is gonna switch...that's uncle Roy over there with his new boyfriend.......and Joe Biden is on the TV mumbling something about thanksgiving most of america can't understand.....but we understand it perfectly.

You pick yer family.....if it's the latter....don't forget the kool-aide.

Trans folks should get the same shot at life liberty and the pursuit of happiness we all do.

That said, sports is an area where it's not possible to have a fair interaction for M-F transgender folks. Very few people care when women transition to men because even if that person (I can think of one person who has rep'd the USA at amateur world championships several times, racing as a man) is super competitive, on average, they are not coming to sport with a bunch of advantages.

So, sport is a limit. Just doesn't work for M-F folks to compete on a fair level. I actually feel bad it cant be, because sport can be such a cool part of life for people.

they do.

im still waiting for an example where they dont.

at least to the extent that it is any different than anyone else. "pursuit of happiness" doesnt necessarily mean guarantee of happiness...just as equal opportunity doesnt necessarily mean equal outcome...as much as some would like.

not everyone is going to like or approve of your lifestyle...but that is true for every one of us.

And Ricky, don’t sit there and pretend that because transgender folks have rights that it was right wing nuts that demanded and fought for it.

When anyone says anything against the 2nd amendment or introduces legislation you all lose your s#%t. It’s a slippery slope…give an inch..,kind of things. Some right wingers are doing what they can and where they can to diminish the rights of other human beings for being transgender.

There is also the subtle discrimination like public harassment, lose out on jobs because of it, being treated as less than human. I’d even include your indirect inference on this very thread that transgender folk rape people in bathrooms as part of this. Like that a common thing among transgender people. Stuff like that affects their right to life, liberty, happiness indirectly or sometimes directly.

Just because you act like it’s not happening doesn’t make it so.

We all know that transgenders live in your head as this is like the 4th tread on a hunting website in which you have posted about it. There were to same number of transgender folks in 2020 as there are now but we never saw you post anything about it. The right wing propagandists “news” sure know how to trigger you. Give it a rest.

of course you would.

liberals say the same things about conservatives. never trumpers say the same thing about trumpers. atheists say the same thing about christians. hillary clinton says the same thing about the deplorables. biden says the same thing about mega maga types.

every person or group has some other person or group that doesnt approve of them...what they believe...or their lifestyle. you dont approve of what i post about...and youve told me to give it a rest. are you trying to "violate" my freedom of speech rights? good grief...

for what its worth...i would like to see transgenderism eradicated also...the same way I would like to see any other mental illness eradicated. same with cancer...diabetes....heart disease...etc. does that mean i want to "violate the rights" of people who suffer from them?

id be willing to bet that deep down 99% of all "transgender" people would like to see no others experience gender confusion also.

none of that has anything to do with wanting to deny anyone their rights. if anyone needs to give anything a rest...its you.

Unfortunately this the kind of thing you advocate for when you support and celebrate mental health issues. But somehow it’s justified when you prevent “normal” people from protecting their children from it in the name of bigotry and hatred.

And they would be decrying the subjugation of women by Islam.

This isn't about women. This is about towing the line. The far left (and the far right for that matter) is a cult and cults don't use reason to form their beliefs. They use herd-thinking and fear of the Boogeyman to do that instead.

It's a fortunate thing for us all that the fringes of both sides, while being the loudest, are in the minority, which is why you see even people on the left pulling back against things like the issues of women's sports and the children issues. Because they are crazy.

Still incorrectly beating that drum I see, Ricky. Funny that all the top health institutions in this country don't see things the same way.

none of that has anything to do with wanting to deny anyone their rights

Yes it does. Plenty of people view access to healthcare - as well as the highest attainable standard of health - as a fundamental human right. When you in fact limit the healthcare options - options recommended by the medical institutions you have specifically held up as experts in this space - an argument can be made that you indeed are denying an individual their rights.

There’s the full quote and he wasn’t talking about medical help. Your facade pretending that you just want to help eradicate transgenderism out of the goodness of your heart is as dishonest as it is pathetic and borders on cowardice. Eradicate them to help them. That’s your stance LMAO. So transparent lol. So are your many false equivalencies like me telling you to give it a rest is the same as someone at CPAC calling for the eradication of another human being. If you really want to help then what have you done to help transgender people? Here’s a clue, your threads here are only a net negative for transgender human beings.

Again give it a rest.

and plenty of people do not view it as a "right."

both sides actually do have the constitutional right to not only feel that way...but to state it publicly.

see how that works...

many actually agree with the above statement. theyd like to see the mental disorder itself eradicated...as well as the ideology that seeks to exploit those who suffer from it...and harm those affected by it.

im pretty sure they still have that "constitutional right."

freedom of speech doesnt just mean the speech you happen to like.

I never said you or anyone else didn’t have the right to say it. I take issue with what he said. I believe I have that right. And nice strawman.

It’s kind of a paradox for you though isn’t it? With it being mental illness, as you say, then they didn’t choose to be transgender but rather born that way. But if they are born that way and you “eradicate” it from them…then you are denying them their God given (since they are born that way based on your logic) right to THIER life. God gave them that life and they should have the right to choose to live it. The way God made them.

Yep…it’s a paradox

Paradox with a twist of hypocrisy

that might be the most ignorant thing youve ever posted...and youve posted a lot of ignorant things. are you really going to go with the "born that way" garbage.

show me where ive ever said transgender people were "born that way." there is no paradox and there is no hypocrisy...at least not on my part.

first...many people are indeed born with a whole host of mental and physical defects...that doesnt mean we shouldnt try to eradicate those defects. seems to me that the march of dimes has been dedicated to doing just that for close to a century...oh the horror.

second... not all defects...mental or physical...are congenital. mental disorders can be a result of abuse...trauma...social contagion...social isolation......drug abuse...etc.

and yes...i think it would be great if we were able to eradicate all mental illness...congenital or acquired...dont you?

keep floppin...you just might make it back to the water.

Christian baker faces new lawsuit over gender-transition cake after Supreme Court

"Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado, declined to create a custom cake for a same-sex wedding in a move that sparked a 2012 lawsuit that ultimately landed him at the U.S. Supreme Court. In 2018, the nine justices ruled that the state of Colorado was hostile to Phillip’s religious beliefs and that the government can’t force anyone to create custom works of art that communicate a message.

But in 2018, Phillips faced a second lawsuit, this time from a transgender lawyer who requested a cake celebrating a gender transition. When Phillips declined, he was back in court on grounds that he discriminated against the lawyer. The Colorado Supreme Court just agreed to hear his case."

Firstly, I'm not aware of the Constitution mentioning anything at all about what someone can feel.

Secondly, you don't have a Constitutionally granted right to free speech. You have a right to free speech that the Constitution protects from the government. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The Constitution is not an enumeration of our rights.

I love it was just thinking that when I threw a fish back towards the water and the throw was a little short. I really didn't want to climb over all those hazardous rocks to fetch a small fish that should have known better to steal my minnow intended for a walleye or a pike. As I looked up, I see two youths with neon green, pink hair; tattoos, piercing all over-getting ready to launch a kayak and do some fishing. There is hope I guess....

Amen! Kids should be taught this crucial difference at a young age.

i dont think i ever said the constitution "granted" anything. what i did say was "afforded by the constitution"... which was meant to convey protected by the constitution.

yes...i probably could have used a better word but at the end of the day when we start arguing semantics...thats usually a sign that one side of the argument is lacking.

as long as thats the route some seem to want to take...can anyone show me in the constitution where it says anyone has the right to "life...liberty...and the pursuit of happiness?"

again...im still waiting for someone to provide an example where transgender people are being denied their constitutional rights.

Hardly. You have said "they are entitled to every right afforded anyone else by the constitution" and have also asked "what specific constitutional rights are trans people being denied."

Given that the Constitution does not grant our rights nor is the Constitution an enumeration of our rights as individuals, your question and use of the term "Constitutional rights" is irrelevant.

And to name rights being infringed, the right to healthcare, the right to bodily autonomy, the right to express one's sexuality, and the right to privacy are all under attack by the anti-trans movement.

as to the "right to privacy"...can you give an example of how that is being infringed upon?

regarding rights being "under attack"... do you feel the same about the rights of the christian baker that are "under attack?"

"under attack" is a far cry from "infringed upon."

Just curious, what right of his do you believe is being infringed. (I can think of one, wondering if we're on the same page here.)

Then you should do some research. Not hard to find ample documentation and discussion of these rights.

as to the "right to privacy"...can you give an example of how that is being infringed upon?

As an example, any law that would force one to reveal their gender identity would be an infringement on an individual's right to privacy.

do you feel the same about the rights of the christian baker that are "under attack?"

There are areas where rights collide and rights are not absolute. I tend to side with the baker.

refer to the ruling in the 303 creative case...i think the same would apply in the christian baker case...freedom of speech/compelled speech.

documentation and discussion? there was a bunch of that about some so called right to an abortion too. unless it's in the constitution...not really interested in what you or anyone else thinks are rights."

"As an example, any law that would force one to reveal their gender identity would be an infringement on an individual's right to privacy.

are there any?

wouldnt that still fall under the the first amendment right to free speech?

Funny, because the Constitution says absolutely nothing about sports, gender, gender identity, bathrooms, gender affirming care, parental rights to know, etc.

I'm beginning to get the impression you have no clue what's in the Constitution or what the Constitution is even about.

are there any?

Yes.

exactly...thats why all this bs about transgender people being denied their rights is just that...bs.

thank you.

Again, no it's not. For the last time, the Constitution is not a list of our rights. Nor do we derive our rights from the Constitution. Your logic of "it's not in the Constitution therefore it can't be an infringement of your rights" is fundamentally flawed.

"Again, no it's not. For the last time, the Constitution is not a list of our rights. Nor are our rights granted by the Constitution."

great...then we can expect to see a whole host of those cases being taken on by the supreme court. cant wait to see how they turn out.

Another false equivalency. Your rights end where mine begin and vice versa and so on. Being trans isn’t the same thing as killing and eating someone. Completely missed.

Looks like tin foil hat Mike is back lol

to a certain extent its not as much of a false equivalent as some might have us believe. mental illness is mental illness...it just manifests in different ways.

" Your rights end where mine begin..."

for many that includes at the bathroom or locker room door...or in the pool or on a track with people of the same sex. or how about lewd acts in public front of minors?

It’s absolutely a false equivalency. Depression, Gender dysphoria and not the same. We don’t send people with depression to prison but we certainly do serial killers.

Mental illness like obsessively posting about trans on a hunting forum and refreshing it daily. That’s mental illness.

I’m pretty sure many here (including you) have mental illness, specifically Histrionic Personality Disorder. The symptoms certainly match. You need treatment and a cure. You’re just like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Such a stupid argument. Or go live with tin foil Mike.

Enlighten us on how you know that being trans isn’t a physiological issue?

yet you cant stop responding. is that a mental disorder too? lol

"I’m pretty sure many here (including you) have mental illness, specifically Histrionic Personality Disorder. The symptoms certainly match. You need treatment and a cure."

are you suggesting youd like to see that part of us eradicated?

or is it that we were born that way and its just the way god intended us to be?

what if watching you tie yourself in knots is just our pursuit of happiness? is that not our "right?"

speaking of mental disorders...you might want to check out Narcissistic Personality Disorder...it fits you to a T.

First it’s to protect kids, then you want to help them. Just admit it and quit hiding. You’re just a bigot but you think if you phrase it just right then you can hide it. Sorry Ricky but it doesn’t work that way.

You know who else wanted separate public facilities of certain people. That would be Hitler. Maybe that’s your equivalency. I mean you are both bigots. No Ricky that would be a false equivalency and it goes way too far.

Being intellectually dishonest as you are is a tell of things you try to hide from others.

Freaking grow up and worry about yourself. Live and let live.

says the guy who literally cant stop obsessing about everything i post.

you cant make this stuff up.

are we finally getting to a point where sports are going to focus on sports...and not be taken hostage by the dei mafia?

NHL bans use of Pride Tape on ice in updated guidance for theme nights The NHL moved away from themed jerseys over the summer

"The NHL announced in June that teams would no longer be permitted to wear specialty jerseys as a part of theme night initiatives after several players decided not to participate in wearing Pride Night warmup sweaters last season.

The league doubled down and informed teams last week they will also no longer be permitted to use rainbow stick tape."

"ESPN first reported about the memo last week. According to a league source, the memo reportedly stated that "players should be encouraged to express themselves off the ice."

Ding ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner. When I am forced to engage in a charade to make someone feel special, because having genitals doesn't define their gender, but removing them does, when I can lose my job because I didn't use their preferred pronoun, when it's demanded of kids under threat of suspension to inform a school of their preferred pronouns... THAT is a loss of rights. Wanna cut your junk off, get hormones and declare yourself a girl, have at it. Just don't expect me to validate your feelings (under threat of law) cuz your wiring is ****ed 10 ways from Sunday.

And there you have it. Yet another piece of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, taken away from the transgender community. Oh the humanity!

wouldnt that be considered "compelled speech?"

I can’t tell you how infuriating this made me when I heard about it! If my daughter was on that team, I can guarantee I would have gone to the ends of the earth to correct those wrongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i totally agree with you but what would have been your course of action?

Regarding the life liberty and pursuit of happiness stuff... If you think a trans person in the US has been able to do that, you are not paying enough attention to right wing news sources and should watch Fox, Newsmax, OANN, read more breitbart etc. It's practically the mission state of those orgs to blame every bad thing in the world on trans people. (I speak with hyperbole, because the argument that trans folks can pursue happiness, is just so far from reality that using normal arguments is near impossible).

Over the last 5ish years, has the acknowledgment of trans people seemed to increase, yes. Do people "see" more trans folks, probably. Are trans folks targets of crime at higher rates than you and I? Yes, 4.5 times more likely in the US to suffer from violent crime and 2.5x more likely to suffer hate crimes (just pulled that off statista, so it's not biased from some think tank or what not, it's just data).

I fully agree with the idea that there are some things that just may not be able to be done, no matter how well intended. Sport for example. Transgender women are not going to have a level playing field against a woman. The best solution is some other category so the womens category stays as level a playing field as genetics and training allow.

But I do not believe a person in the US should be more than 4x likely to suffer violent crime or 2+x more likely to suffer hate crimes just because of who they are. That sucks, and WE (as a nation) should be better than that.

i agree. no person...mentally ill or not...trans or not...gay or not...black or not...deserves to be the victim of any crime...violent...hate...or otherwise. criminals should be prosecuted an punished...period.

ive seen those stats but it would be interesting to dig into those numbers a little to find out who the perpetrators of these crimes are. is it "cis-gender" people committing these crimes against transgender people? could it be that a transgenders lifestyle opens them up to situations where violent crimes...especially sex crimes... happen at a much higher rate?

blacks suffer a disproportionate amount of crime also...and it would easy to assume its because of racial animus...but its predominantly at the hands other blacks...not because theyre black.

i get what youre saying...and i agree that i would do whatever i could to protect my daughter...but we cant forget that these girls are adults at that point. there needs to be more riley gaines out there...and even she took some time to get her voice and her footing. because of her and others like her...i believe things are starting to change...but make no mistake they are literally risking everything.

I told her years ago if a male ever entered her bathroom or locker room she should “SCREAM BLOODY MURDER” and DON’T act like it is “normal!” If more women did that, there would be a lot less males trying to go in women’s bathrooms!

of course not...but "assaulted or harassed" in this case is debatable...especially when he was allowed to do what he was doing?

my point was that this is not going to change unless and until these adult women stand up for themselves and refuse to participate.

if every biological female on the upenn team walked out and refused to not only share locker room space with a biological male...but to compete against a biological male...it would never have gone as far as it did. upenn would be forced to change their policy... forfeit every meet...or proceed with a team of one.

but what about their "unalienable rights" of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?" are you suggesting they should be denied the "right" to compete against people of the gender they identify with?

you seem to be taking in circles now...or is it a "paradox with a twist of hypocrisy"?

you know what the thread is about...why do you continue to click on it?

so money is the deciding factor as to whether a trans woman is a woman?

are you suggesting "pursuit of happiness" only applies if you can win or make money?

what about hs and college sports?

i agree that biological males have no place in womens sports...or any other womens competitions or spaces...period. im just confused by your willingness to pick and choose when they are women and when they arent women. either a trans woman is woman or (s)he is not a woman.

by stating that you dont think trans women should be allowed in womens sports...you are actually saying that they are not really women...they are just men acting like women.

once that admission is made...the "trans women are women" house of cards falls.

Exactly. Except for PED's are very much against the rules in sports. To the point of required testing and consequences for being caught.

dont get sidetracked by the ped argument...its nothing but a diversion.

"trans women" dont belong in womens sports or spaces because they are not women...period.

it took us a while to get to this point but even ksflatlender admits to that now. all the rest about rights...pursuit of happiness...being their true selves...etc is just posturing and virtue signaling. these people are mentally ill and should be treated accordingly.

Using that unfair competitive advantage is to take away from others things like college scholarships, endorsements, salary, opportunities, etc is encroachment on someone else’s rights.

Regardless, people like Ricky have forgotten their humanity. Transgender people are human beings first and they have family and friends just like us. They feel joy and pain just like us. If it means I address them as a transgender person (women or man) makes no difference to me. It’s empathy that requires very little calories on my part. I’m definitely not going to insinuate that they are all bathroom rapists (like Ricky) because that’s not true.

Lastly, Ricky finally said it. He says they aren’t women which is a human construct. That’s what this is really about. This is why he posts multiple threads on this subject and refreshes them to the top daily. He doesn’t want to stand alone with his bigotry because it singles him out. Just as he tries to single transgender people out and ostracize them.

Ricky can’t get past the binary of men vs women. In science we use male vs female but science allows for those who don’t really fit in either category or fit in one with an asterisk or footnote. Society should also allow for those who are don’t fit our “norms” or have a footnote. And evolution and genetics isn’t binary. It’s just trial and a mostly error. It just is. That doesn’t make them wrong, just different and it’s ok to be different. Being different is the driver of evolution and humanities progress.

As long as we keep our humanity this stuff will work itself out and I want to help.

Lastly, Ricky finally said it. He says they aren’t women which is a human construct. That’s what this is really about. This is why he posts multiple threads on this subject and refreshes them to the top daily. He doesn’t want to stand alone with his bigotry because it singles him out. Just as he tries to single transgender people out and ostracize them."

here we go with the virtue signaling and straw men again.

1...nobody said transgenders werent human and without feelings...certainly not me. they are mentally ill and deserve respect and help.

2...i never said...nor would i refer to a transgender person by anything other than what they choose. laws that say i must...under threat of some sort of penalty...are wrong. buying into their delusion to the point that we must include them in things that are reserved for females is wrong. you said so yourself...so by your definition you must be a bigot too.

3...i have never ostracized a transgender person...for being transgender. no more than i would ostracize anyone for having autism...being bipolar...or having any other mental disorder. quite the opposite actually. people like you feel the need to demonize those that dont happen to fall into the "we must affirm" camp.

4...as far as me not wanting to stand alone...why would i be concerned about that when the vast majority of americans feel the same way i do? the way i actually feel that is...not the way you incorrectly portray me and others of feeling.

5...youre right. we will work this out...and i am confident when many of these issues work their way through the courts...the social contagion aspect of this lessens...and the medical community comes to the realization that "we must affirm" especially by medical intervention on minors was a huge error (like other countries are beginning to do)...this will get back to what it is...an extremely rare mental disorder that needs treatment.

lastly...the only reason i keep bringing this up is because of "intellectual" bullies like you that seek talk over and attempt to discredit everyone that disagrees with you. were all bigots...racists...sexists...homophobes...and whatever else you call us in an attempt to shut down the conversation. thats the way people like you work.

i knew it would only be a matter of time before you backed yourself into a corner...and you did. now the only thing that remains to be seen is whether or not you can bring yourself to admit it.

How can my words be virtual signaling when I live this and see it? Maybe someday someone will verbally or physically attack the people most valuable to you simply because they are different. Those that share your blood. Then maybe you will understand. I hope you understand someday with having to go through that.

Pontificate all you want. You can’t hide behind your words. Insinuating that transgender people are predisposed to rape is bigotry.

Corner huh. Funny I don’t see any right angles. I just see a path I’m walking. I think it’s you that is static.

Turn about is fair play. Pushing back on bullies isn’t bullying. It’s the right thing to do.

there you go again. i dont hide behind my words...i stand by them. you on the other hand immediately resort to calling someone a bigot when the facts dont align with your virtue signaling. yes...virtue signaling.

"Statistics documenting transgender people's experience of sexual violence indicate shockingly high levels of sexual abuse and assault. One in two transgender individuals are sexually abused or assaulted at some point in their lives. Some reports estimate that transgender survivors may experience rates of sexual assault up to 66 percent, often coupled with physical assaults or abuse. This indicates that the majority of transgender individuals are living with the aftermath of trauma and the fear of possible repeat victimization."

the difference between me and others here is that i refuse to allow you to get away with it.

lastly...you have no idea what i or my family have experienced...on this or any other subject. the fact that you think you do based on positions i take is just shows how arrogant and ignorant you are.

Yes

“Or for that matter, going against, and beating them, in female only contests/competitions that they’ve worked hard to achieve and participate in?”

No

At the very least I would expect the answers to be swapped. May I ask your reasoning for those answers?

The other answer about sports is answered on posts above.

So then you don’t don’t have a problem with them showering or changing together at the gym either? This isn’t strictly about fear, or being safe from physical harm. By your logic I should be able to use the women’s bathroom or locker room at any time without any issues whatsoever. I will say, if you genuinely feel that way, you’re in an extremely small minority when it comes to the way most people feel when out in public places.

You sure about that? Or is it just part of your bubble?

I never said that. If my wife or daughter aren’t comfortable with it then neither am I. If they are than so am I. I suspect that they wouldn’t be comfortable with it unless the person had sex reassignment surgery. Then I doubt they care. I know I wouldn’t if it was in reverse. But there are ways around such things to accommodate everyone.

You’re right. I obviously live inside the bigot bubble. All I know is I don’t want my daughter to have to use a public restroom with a guy that has the ability to stand up and pee in the stall next to her. And if she says she’s ok with that, I’d question her judgement. Since the trans community is so small, and the chances of actually experiencing such a situation are so small, I’m not sure I believe your stance is 100% genuine.

Before this turns into a rabbit hole I didn’t want go down, I’ll forfeit this match and respectfully bid you a ‘good day’!

Good day to you too. It would be more fun to discuss this with your cigar, my skoal, and a few beers on the back deck. Later 70.

and you have the nerve to talk about intellectual dishonesty? please...

show me where I have ever said anything remotely close to that. a simple cut and paste would be great.

you are so married to your narrative that you can no longer recognize the truth. worse yet...you are more than willing to outright lie to advance it.

do you really think nobody notices?

Trust me, if that ever happens I’ll be bringing Macanudo cigars and a nice bottle of smokey smooth Lagavulin 16. Or perhaps some Johnny Walker Blue. As long as you have the beer to fill the space between sips, and a good campfire, we’ll solve the worlds problems!

Ricky- Do you really think I care anyone notices. LMAO I’m a liberal on a hunting website. Get a clue.

oh...i have a clue. youve been pegged here for a long time. youre a typical dishonest liberal that accuses others of doing exactly what you do...and being exactly what you are.

by the way...still waiting for you to back these up.

"Insinuating that transgender people are predisposed to rape is bigotry."

"You are saying you are doing all this to prevent violence against transgender people in bathrooms?"

like i said before...youre arrogant as well as ignorant...the worst combination.

We can start with you continuing to call individuals who are transgender as mentally ill despite every major health institution saying it isn’t a mental illness.

i know...i know...transgender isnt a mental disorder but gender dysphoria is.

you can dance on the head of that pin all you like but who in their right mind (no pun intended) would ever attempt to transition if they didnt meet the above definition?

its a distinction without a difference.

now...im sure ksflatlander appreciates your attempt to divert attention but what does that have to do with his obviously false statements?

"Insinuating that transgender people are predisposed to rape is bigotry."

"You are saying you are doing all this to prevent violence against transgender people in bathrooms?"

of course its not genuine...virtue signaling rarely is.

how can you say you support trans women just living their lives and pursuing happiness...and then say they shouldnt be allowed in womens locker rooms or participate in women’s sports.

either trans woman are women or they arent. if they are...they deserve to do all the things women can do. its obvious he doesnt really feel they are.

Those are your words in this thread Ricky. And in context you were insinuating transgender women when saying “biological males.” But of course you will deny it because you’re too much of a coward to come out and say it. Pretty obvious.

“You are saying you are doing all this to prevent violence against transgender people in bathrooms?”

That was a question. What was the point of posting the fact transgender are disproportionately targeted for violent crime?

Wait a minute KS, are you saying transgender women are something OTHER than biological men? If they weren’t biological men, they’d have no reason to become transgender women! Am I reading that right?

Lastly, Ricky and many here keep saying that transgender people have mental illness. How do they know it’s not a physiological issue? Is it possible it’s a psychological issue and not a mental health issue?

Hardly. From the American Psychiatric Association (who I’m sure you know more than, Ricky).

“The presence of gender variance is not the pathology but dysphoria is from the distress caused by the body and mind not aligning and/or societal marginalization of gender-variant people.”

Aka, distress from living in a world with people like you, Ricky.

This is also pretty clearly stated:

The DSM–5 articulates explicitly that “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”

Further more, plenty of gender variant people do not experience gender dysphoria and experience no distress from their feelings on their body or no distress from having to live in a world with people like you.

There is a difference and the distinction is very clear and has been brought to you on numerous occasions, you just choose to ignore it and continue to spout falsehoods.

"Those are your words in this thread Ricky. And in context you were insinuating transgender women when saying “biological males.” But of course you will deny it because you’re too much of a coward to come out and say it. Pretty obvious."

youre right...those are my words. there was no insinuation at all. i was referring to a transgender woman...which is a biological male...that committed the rape. that is a fact.

on the other hand. your words were as follows...

"“You are saying you are doing all this to prevent violence against transgender people in bathrooms?”

the girl who was raped was not transgender...that is also a fact.

youre right...its"pretty obvious" to anyone who cared to actually read what was written.

now...are you willing to admit that you were wrong...or are you "too much of a coward."

i suggest you read things more carefully before you launch off with your typical virtue signaling. it will save you a lot of embarrassment. or maybe you dont care...after all...youre just a "liberal on a hunting website."

i get all that...and i am only going to respond to this one more time.

read that definition again. what person would attempt to change their gender if they werent experiencing what is defined there.

"A strong desire to be rid of one's primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with with one's experienced/expressed gender."

is "strong desire" the same as "distress?"

the desire for a person to cut off their genitals...remove their breasts...fashion a penis or a vagina out of skin from other parts of their body...take drugs to stop puberty...take hormones in order to change their bodies...or even just live your entire life as someone of the opposite sex...and experience all the societal things that go along with it... has to be pretty damn strong or they wouldnt even consider doing it.

if they didnt have a strong desire to change those things...what possible reason would there be?

A new word I’ve never heard of.

GENDER VARIANT!

Thanks bowsite

No, it isn’t. Distress would be things like depression, anxiety, negative self-image, mental anguish, sorrow, etc. To be diagnosed you need to exhibit certain qualifying criteria (such as a strong desire to change your sex characteristics). But the illness is not that desire, it is the distress.

I don’t know how to put it more simply than what the DSM and the APA says.

DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder” with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

from the...

DIAGNOSTIC AND STATISTICAL MANUAL OF MENTAL DISORDERS FIFTH EDITION DSM-5

Gender Dysphoria in Adolescents and Adults 302.85 (F64.1)

A. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months’ duration, as manifested by at least two of the following:

1. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics).

2. A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics).

3. A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender.

4. A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender).

5. A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender).

6. A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender). Gender Dysphoria 453

B. The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

careful...theres getting to be less and less room on the top of that pin.

now...im done discussing this with you. im comfortable with my interpretation of what the DSM-5 says. youre welcome to the last word.

Lots of things I disagree with in this world but that's the price of real freedom...nit that we have real freedom.

The problem comes when we throw common sense out the window. Of I proclaim I'm a rich white dude...does that make me a rick white dude?

We've lost all common sense in this country.

the whole "life...liberty... and the pursuit of happiness" thing is being completely misinterpreted.

first of all...nowhere in the constitution is "pursuit of happiness" mentioned.

second...where life and liberty are indeed mentioned ...some people like to leave out the qualifier that goes with them.

the 5th and 14th amendments state that the government cannot deprive a person of life...liberty...or property...without due process of law.

PS " first of all...nowhere in the constitution is "pursuit of happiness" mentioned. " True enough, but I'd bet that any delegate to the Constitutional Convention was quite familiar with the Declaration of Independence, and agreed with it! Probably assumed it was too obvious to bother mentioning.

the declaration of independence is not legally binding...the constitution is.

furthermore...even if it was "too obvious to bother mentioning" (which i dont agree with...if it was that obvious...surely it would have been included in the constitution) it would still be subject to the qualifier..."without due process of law."

people are deprived of life...liberty...and property (and yes...even pursuit of happiness) all the time...and justifiably so.

For the umpteenth time, there are lots of things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. The framers knew this. Half of them didn’t even want to put a Bill of Rights in there. They compromised by including the 9th Amendment to make it very clear that the Constitution is not an exhaustive document.

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

if anyone here has a reasonable, explanation as to why this is such an atrocity, I’d truly like to hear it. Please, educate me.

No, but it is a great summation of the *philosophy* of government that drove (and still drives) the Constitutional 'process'. I have to believe that our legislature, executives and courts are aware of WHAT THEIR JOB FUNDAMENTALLY IS - 'to secure these rights.' Else they are unfit for positions in government. (And yeah, we could make a list...)

you left some of that off...

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

hence the constitution...the legally binding "teeth" of said philosophy.

true that...complete with a string to hang it from a branch. lol

If the deer hunting in the men’s bathroom is THAT good, I’ve been doing it aaaaall wrong!

I do know that when I was in boot camp, guys would use them to polish their inspection ready boots. They’ll help put one hell of a shine on! I’m pretty sure none of those men were capable of menstruating though.

How do you know that feeling as though you are the opposite sex internally isn’t a physiological issue and is that possible?

“It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”

And…

“The presence of gender variance is not the pathology…”

ill gladly answer your question...right after you deal with the following...

"Insinuating that transgender people are predisposed to rape is bigotry."

absolutely false.

"You are saying you are doing all this to prevent violence against transgender people in bathrooms?"

never said that...never insinuated that...ever.

"And in context you were insinuating transgender women when saying “biological males.” But of course you will deny it because you’re too much of a coward to come out and say it."

not insinuating anything. transgender women are in fact biological males.

can you admit that you were wrong on all these things...or are "too much of a coward to come out and say it."

“The presence of gender variance is not the pathology…”

easy...they dont assert the same thing. gender non-conformity or gender variance" is not the same as a person who is transgender.

one is a person whose behavior or appearance does not conform to prevailing cultural and social expectations about what is appropriate to their gender.

the other is a person whose gender identity does not correspond to that person's sex assigned at birth

the former can simply be a very masculine female that does things or acts in a way that society normally associats with males...or a very feminine male that does things or acts in a way that society normally associates with females. neither believe they actually are the opposite gender.

the latter is a male that actually thinks he is a woman...or a female that actually thinks she is a man.

obviously the former is not a mental disorder...the latter is.

Why the connection between transgender people and rape and bathrooms? Is there a direct correlation? Are transgender people predisposed to rape in bathrooms?

Then later you posted the violence stats showing transgender folks are targeted for sexual violence. Then you twisted it and asked if it was something about transgender folks that they bring this on themselves. Essentially blaming the victim. Why make that post after I quoted your “biological male” tape and bathroom statement?.

Stop gaslighting and just answer the question for the 4th time.

why dont you go back and read the sequence of threads...starting with the one where i posted the link to the louden county lawsuit where the girl was raped in the school bathroom.

after that post...you said that transgenders were being denied the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

to which I responded...“do biological males have the right to rape biological females in school restrooms?”

it was in direct reference to what i posted.

if you werent so quick to show your perceived superiority...maybe youd be able to follow a conversation.

if anyone is gas lighting it is you. everything i posted is factual or in reference to something factual.

I guess anything can be true if you make up your own definitions of words. Care to try again?

Asking about physiology issues or and feeling like a different sex for the 5th time?

just because they dont match the wiki definitions you prefer...that doesnt mean theyre made up.

Oxford Dictionary

gen·der-non·con·form·ing

denoting or relating to a person whose behavior or appearance does not conform to prevailing cultural and social expectations about what is appropriate to their gender.

im very comfortable with the definition i used.

Oxford Dictionary

Transgender - Designating a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond to that person's sex at birth, or which does not otherwise conform to conventional notions of sex and gender.

Would you agree the key difference in definitions is the concept of your identity being different than your sex at birth?

Do you also agree with definition of dysphoria?

dysphoria - a state of worry or general unhappiness

yes. I think people should use the restroom that corresponds with their biological sex.

why? read the article again.

"Asking about physiology issues or and feeling like a different sex for the 5th time?"

yes...i think there can be a whole host of physiological things going on...especially during puberty when virtually nothing feels quite right for adolescents, hormones are going crazy and physical changes are many.

however...i think the current desire to affirm affirm affirm is wrong. especially via medical intervention. from what ive read...left to work through their physiological changes...most people...90+%...will settle into the sex they were born.

for the most part...yes to all.

Then please translate the highlighted sentence for me pulled directly from the latest DSM below.

So if it’s a physiological issue (partially or wholly) then it’s not a choice right? It’s not just a mental issue correct?

"focuses on dysphoria as the clinical problem..."

if "dysphoria" is the trigger for what constitutes a mental disorder...lets take a look at your previous definition of dysphoria...

"dysphoria - a state of worry or general unhappiness"

you can draw your own conclusions but it seems to me "general unhappiness" pretty much encompasses everyone who is having gender confusion.

ive told you numerous times...are you not paying attention?

allowing transgender women (which are biological males) into womens restrooms opens the biological females in those spaces up to perverts like the one described in the article.

Nope. If you’re equating “gender confusion” with someone whose biological sex does not match the way they feel about themselves, that would be covered by “gender identity.”

Worry or unhappiness is just that.

It’s really pretty simple and you’re going through quite the set of mental gymnastics avoid the obvious interpretation (one that has been clarified by numerous health institutions but that you continue to ignore).

The issue/illness/disorder isn’t with gender variance, gender non-conformity, or gender identity.

The disorder is related to feeling bad, ashamed, depressed, distressed, if you are any of the above.

So you are saying transgender women are predisposed to be perverts? More so than the general public?

Straight men show a higher percentage of sexual crimes against people (male or female). They are a bigger hazard for sexual crimes? Why aren’t you advocating outlawing straight men from public restrooms?

again...youre making a distinction without a difference.

are you really suggesting that if a persons biological sex doesnt match the way they feel, they arent going to be "generally unhappy?" furthermore...if a person isnt "generally unhappy" do you really think they would even consider transitioning.

if the trigger for a mental disorder is..."dysphoria"... and the criteria for dysphoria is "generally unhappy"... do the math.

i am very comfortable saying that anyone who is so uncomfortable with their biological sex that they would consider transitioning to another gender...has a mental disorder...which is what ive said from the beginning. im also very confident that the tide is starting to turn on this lunacy...which was the purpose of this thread.

this is getting stupid and redundant. youre welcome to have the last word.

no. i never said that. it is becoming more and more apparent that you have reading comprehension issues...or intellectual honesty issues. i realize you think you are sharp enough to put words in my mouth...but i can assure you you arent.

what i am saying is that if a transgender woman is a pervert...and there are many...allowing them in womens spaces is unnecessarily problematic. and that doesnt even take into consideration how biological females feel just having to share their spaces with biological males.

now unless you want to discuss whether or not you think the tide is starting to turn...im not interested in playing this game.

Who’s to say someone doesn’t impersonate a transgender person in an effort to do just that? If that’s the case, then the true transgender community is responsible for assuring it doesn’t happen since it makes them look bad. No different than having your identity stolen. It’s up to you to prove it wasn’t you making the fraudulent charges since the real perpetrators will likely never be caught. If the trans community was as pure as you defend them to be, we wouldn’t have to be suspicious of them now would we?

And again, the point is that the issue is that you’re unhappy, not that you see your gender as different than your biological sex or that you would want to make changes to resolve that difference.

It’s really pretty straightforward. You’re standing directly in opposition to what the health community is saying. I can post a number of quotes from the health organizations that clarify this point, but I’ll post only one and leave it at that. From the American Psychological Association’s Resolution on Gender Identity:

“BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA opposes the dissemination of inaccurate information about gender identity, gender expression, and the efficacy of GICE, including the claim that gender identity can be changed through treatment, the characterization of transgender or gender nonbinary identity as a mental disorder and the promotion of treatments that prescribe gender identity or expression consistent with one’s birth-assigned sex as effective for clients with gender dysphoria..."

And the paradox lol. If it is a physiological condition in some then isn’t exactly how God intended them?

Me thinks these incessant transgender threads you start are more about you and your bigotry (intended or not) and the reassurance you need from like minded people.

Good call on not going any further down that dead end road.

Nchunter- I’m the live and let live kind of old fashion.

Law restricting bathroom use for Idaho transgender students to go into effect as challenge continues

BOISE, Idaho -- An Idaho law restricting which bathrooms transgender students can use in schools will go into effect while a court challenge plays out.

Chief U.S. District Judge David Nye on Thursday denied a request by a plaintiff who is challenging the law to keep it from being enforced until the lawsuit is resolved, The Idaho Statesman reported. In August, Nye had placed the law on hold in August pending his decision.

The law will go into effect 21 days after his ruling.

It prohibits transgender students from using public school restrooms and locker rooms that align with their gender identity. It also allows other students to sue their school if they encounter a student using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their sex assigned at birth.

Nye said the plaintiff failed to show their challenge would succeed. He noted the law is “substantially related to the government’s important interest in protecting the privacy and safety of students” while using a restroom or a changing room.

Students sue Michigan school district for allowing transgender kids in girls’ bathrooms

“This case is about the intentional violation of children’s fundamental right to bodily privacy contrary to constitutional and statutory principles, including the Fourteenth Amendment,” the lawsuit states.

The suit alleges the school discriminated against students and violated their privacy rights “by allowing male students to dress as girls and use the girls’ multi-user private restrooms and locker rooms.”

very interesting take.

agree? disagree?

I feel sorry for these folks, I truly do. They obviously have a mental problem. That doesn't make someone a bad person it just means they have problems. Lots of folks have problems that need help but that doesn't mean we throw common sense out the window.

this interview speaks a lot to why that might be. pretty compelling argument regarding the "marketing" of trans.

"Two biological men won the top two spots and took home the top cash prizes in a women’s cycling race in Chicago, leaving a sole female alone on the podium in third place after the trans-identifying males raced in the competition."

thats why i thought that interview was so interesting. i never really thought about the "marketing" aspect of trans but if the estimates are accurate...does the "medical industrial complex" (and that includes both the american psychiatric assoc and the american psychological assoc) really have any interest in walking away from a $30 billion industry? to put that in perspective...thats 2/3 the size of the cosmetic surgery industry...and 1/2 the size of the entire weight loss industry.

Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?

"Exceedingly rich, white men (and women) who invest in biomedical companies are funding myriad transgender organizations whose agenda will make them gobs of money."

I can't believe anyone, ever a transgender person could see the right in males competing as females. That's more of a fraud than Jesse Smollet.

do you get up and search for posts where you can attack posters instead of discussing the topic at hand? when was the last time you actually started a discussion...on anything? sniping other posters is easy...digesting and discussing topics...not so much.

did you read bileks article? do you agree? disagree? why?

says the guy who is so in awe of his surroundings that he cant help check and post on a discussion about transgender issues...from his tree stand. lol

fwiw...i spent some time in a treestand yesterday. im going to church this morning...spending some time in worship puts you in awe of something completely different. you should try it...it might just do you some good.

God bless and enjoy church

same to you. this was my view yesterday...not a whole lot different than yours today.

instead of personal attacks...id like to hear your views on bileks piece...when you get home from church of course.

I didn't attack you. I asked a simple question after I realized you've bumped this thread almost every morning since you started it 17 days ago. It seems like an odd obsession to me.

As for the topic, I've stated that I don't think transgenders should compete in sports that are intended for the opposite biological sex. Nor should they be allowed in changing rooms for the opposite sex. I don't see anyone, here, arguing in favor of either of those situations, so I'm not sure who you are trying to convince.

In the broader view, I think the attempts of political radicals to polarize people on this issue isn't helping either political side. I think most people would rather see our politics focused on more important matters.

Matt

To me. the linked article is no different. An agenda with loaded language. Just opinion by some unnamed who cares .

Who gives a s%%t what Jennifer Bilek (artist and blogger) thinks? I certainly don’t. Based on her articles she obviously doesn’t grasp the medical aspects of sexuality and genetics.

thats just a cop out at best...rank hypocrisy at worst. what youre actually saying is that men can be women for some things but not for others. either biological males can be women...with all the rights and privileges of women...or they cant. as much as you...ksflatlander...and others might want to...you can have it both ways. i suspect you know it...you just cant bring yourselves to agree with the types of people you see as "right wing nuts."

actually i think you most definitely can convince people...especially mentally ill people or people who are suffering emotionally... of a whole host of things.

apparently you do too. you accuse the trumpers of being duped every day.

look what a constant and concerted barrage of anti covid vaccine "bs" has convinced a large percentage of the population of.

Inside the Transgender Empire

"The transgender movement is pressing its agenda everywhere. Most publicly, activist teachers are using classrooms to propagandize on its behalf and activist health professionals are promoting the mutilation of children under the euphemistic banner of “gender-affirming care.” The sudden and pervasive rise of this movement provokes two questions: where did it come from, and how has it proved so successful? The story goes deeper than most Americans know."

That is EXACTLY what’s going on. It is called ‘social contagion’ and it has repeated itself thru history. Eating disorders, self harm - there are many examples of unbalanced people being influenced by whatever is trendy at the time.

...and social media...as well as isolation from covid lockdowns...has put "social contagion" on steroids.

Must be contagious….

apparently it is...it caught you. see the power social media has? lol

same question as two weeks ago...

"you know what the thread is about...why do you continue to click on it?"

Spot on! Here’s an article about the stupid tik- tok challenges that have been going around. Kids are dying and getting injured by blindly taking these challenges which, in many cases, are just plain ignorant to begin with. Yet, monkey see, monkey do!

You wouldn’t let your kid hang out with a group of druggies at school. Why not? Because you’re afraid he’ll get involved with drugs. Kids that are struggling to find their own identity, will latch onto the latest trend, whether it really interests them or not. You can’t pick and choose which social construct is acceptable for someone else, simply because you agree, or disagree with it.

i dont think this just applies to kids. there is a growing segment of the population that is susceptible to any number of things that they desperately hope will provide meaning or clarity in their lives...or just a sense of being part of a community.

You can say the exact same thing for Trumpers evidenced by a warped reality. You can say the same thing about Ricky incessantly posting and refreshing his bigoted threads looking for backslaps and belonging.

The Cult of Trump, oblivious to their own mental health issues

"The Cult of Trump, oblivious to their own mental health issues"

i actually agree. there are a whole host of people that have gone down the "all things trump" rabbit hole. theyve gone over the...edge and they need help.

you can also say the same thing about the virtue signalers that desperately look for belonging and approval among the enlightened and the woke. they are "offended" and "victimized" by anyone who has opinions that differ from theirs...and do whatever they can do shut those conversations down. anyone who doesnt agree with them is a bigot or belongs to some "ist" or "phobe" group.

funny...i can ever remember telling anyone to stop discussing a certain topic...whether or not i agree with what theyre saying.

the arrogance of some is stunning.

Lol! Apparently YOU’RE bored as well. Are you embarrassed for posting here yet?!?! Now that you’ve been infected, nobody will take you seriously either!

Y’all complain about political threads, yet you can’t come up with a topic that will dominate the top 5 threads for more than a day or two.

fair questions.

no...i guess i dont get bored discussing issues that plague our country and its citizens and i think are important.

embarrassed? not in the least. why would i be embarrassed to discuss things like that? what would embarrass me is telling everyone how this topic is not worthy of discussion...and then keep returning to it and attempting to shut it down or virtue signal about the topic.

as to your last question...it wouldnt matter to me in the least what others might think. im comfortable enough in my own skin...i dont need to seek approval from others...especially those that i will not likely ever meet.

The fact that you can’t let go of this thread speaks volumes to the contrary. You’re not providing a public service and you have changed exactly zero minds on the subject.

i dont need to change minds to be a "public service." if i do nothing more than refuse to back down to woke bullies (who are in the minority on this issue) that seek to drown out those who see this for what it is...i feel it has been a success. i know better than to expect any sort of mea culpa from the usual subjects...theyre much too proud...but their candid statements speak volumes to what they truly believe.

After all this you think I’m here to get approval? Really? LOL. I’m a politically independent, socially liberal and lifelong bowhunter. And I come here for approval and belonging? I come here because republican and right wing nuts don’t own bowhunting. I believe I’ve put in my dues to be here…liberal or not.

“ they are "offended" and "victimized" by anyone who has opinions that differ from theirs...and do whatever they can do shut those conversations down.”

I’m actually here because I’ve been bowhunting since I was a kid. But also for conversations especially those that allow me to get a different perspective. But if you’re going to dish it then I can send it right back.

Well you’re very specific about your words…when it benefits your point…but specifically how can anyone actually shut a conversation (thread) anyways? I believe only moderators can do that. How could I actually shut any thread down? Or are you just being a snowflake.

That was such a poor posting My God. Grow a pair and come out of the darkness

nice try but you know as well as i do theres a big difference between locking a thread and attempting to shut down a conversation. attempting to shut down a conversation can be overt...like those that post that they wish pat would put an end to political discussions...or they can be more covert by posting things like "beating a dead horse"..."give it a rest"..."move on boys"..."where do you find the time"..."do you guys not ever get bored with this?... ""Damn. You guys REALLY can’t let this go, can you??"...or implying that those that want to discuss this topic should be "embarrassed" about it...or concerned that they will lose credibility on hunting topics because of their views on this.

then theres the typical sleazy...virtue signaling... liberal tactic of accusing those they dont agree with of being a "bigot"..."homophobic" or ""lacking humanity" in an attempt to shame them into stopping.

am i being a "snowflake?

thats funny...im not the one employing the above tactics in an attempt to stop conversations i dont like and keep this my own personal safe space...which brings up another one of the lefts favorite tactics...accusing others of doing exactly what they do themselves...lol

we keep being told that when it comes to all things trans...we should rely on the professionals in the medical community.

"Prominent doctor at the American Academy of Pediatrics proposes renaming penises 'outies', vaginas 'front holes' and clitorises 'd*cklets'"

who here thinks that pediatricians should be using terms like "innies"..."outies"... "dicklets" and "chesticles" when discussing anatomical body parts with children?

are these the professionals we should be trusting?

who here agrees with this?

Ricky likes to marginalize whole groups of people but throws a “roll on floor” fit when he perceives it being done to him. I guess it doesn’t feel so good being on the receiving end.

Yes…snowflake

huh?

"What planet do you live on."

thats easy...the one where reading comprehension matters... and the one that doesnt use terms like "dicklets" and "chesticles".

you should visit sometime...lol

i respect your opinion fuzzy but i see forums like this as a virtual campfire or the internet equivalent of the dinner table at bow camp. topics like this most certainly would be and are discussed in those venues every day. just like in both of those places...you have people that engage in the discussion...and people that retreat to another room to sharpen their broadheads or discuss what stand theyre going to hunt in the morning.

its just human nature...bowsite is life.

“I agree with Fuzzy. Can’t believe this is still going.”

But yet, you insist on driving back to the scene to look at the train wreck and commenting on it, as though you’ll change the minds of those that are refusing to change each others minds?! Lol! You guys crack me up!

"A women's martial arts tournament in Georgia last week turned into a men's showdown after several female competitors withdrew from the event due to being forced to fight trans-identified males."

unfortunately its getting to the point where it might be needed...in swimming competitions for little girls.

"A 50-year-old biological male professor from York University who identifies as a teenage girl, swam against 13-year-old girls at a Markham swim meet Friday."

these people are demented...

Someone is either a woman or not and you idiots don’t get to choose which women’s areas they get to be in, do you realize that? Or are you Transphobic?!

This whole debate is part of an evil Modern Marxist attack on the Western World. It’s to divide us into oppressed and oppressors and the trans movement gets the bonus of specifically attacking Christianity where a man and woman are united in marriage in a monogamous relationship raising their children to adulthood, instilling their values in the offspring. Tranny crap is a direct attack on those values and all religions actually, because none agree with it. You three will be going to hell for supporting it, good luck!

ive been saying that all along. either a trans woman is a woman or they are not. if you dont think trans women should be allowed in all womens spaces, wouldnt that make you a bigot? trans rights are human rights...isnt that what they always say?

virtue signaling can get pretty confusing i guess.

These trans people are not an oppressed group, they are individuals with a mental illness that doesn’t need validating. They desperately need help! Many of them, especially young people have Autism. They don’t need to be encouraged to chemically castrate young boys, get their penis cut off, sterilize young real woman, have their healthy breasts removed, a fake penis sewn on to their bodies! This is Nazi war crime stuff what these doctors are doing!! IT CAN’T BE REVERSED! Suicide rates go UP after surgical, gender mutilation. My brother is an ER doc and he has seen these Frankenstein like people admitted to hospital with horrible infections, and he has to call them a “they” or get reprimanded, threaten to take his license.

If I have a mental illness where I think I’m disabled can I get my arm or leg cut off?! Does that make me better?!! Answer that bigeasy, KSflatty, grey goof?!

And this is what the Modern Marxists want, groups that normally get along, like a bunch of bowhunters, fighting amongst themselves. Division, Chaos, Confusion. We can’t even define a Woman anymore?! My Dad can become just like my Mom, my sister can be my brother?! WTF!!

Now I’ll get back to hunting.

Matt

at that point biological males thinking they are women...and biological females thinking they are men boil down to mental disorders...sexual kink...or some combination of both. in my opinion anyone insisting otherwise is either selling a bill of goods...or buying one.

in regard to the above statement, someone (who will remain nameless unless they want to be known) sent me the following in a pm...

"I'd call it a *philosophical* disorder - the denial of physical reality, and the willingness of educated people, who should know better but don't, to go along with it. The idea that transitory feelings are more valid than observable reality."

i gave that pm some serious thought yesterday and the more i thought about it...the more i think he is absolutely spot on...on a number of different levels.

Pro jiu-jitsu league bans trans athletes from competing against women after complaints from female fighters

"Following complaints from biological female competitors having to face trans women in matches, a prominent American Brazilian jiu-jitsu league banned "male-to-female" gender transitioners from competing against women in all its matches going forward.

In a social media post this week, North American Grappling Association (NAGA) President Kip Kollar announced that his league for the popular martial art will now exclude "male-to-female transgender athletes" from competing in the female divisions to maintain "fairness for female athletes."

Kollar declared that protecting fairness for female competitors is the league’s "paramount priority."

Of course the dude was probably just looking for attention to further his “career!”

“ Melody Wiseheart, formerly Nicholas J. Cepeda, 50, who teaches and studies 'gender' and 'youth' at the Toronto-based university, competed in Heat 3 with nine girls aged 13 and 14, Rebel News reported.”

i posted about that that pervert the other day.

and to think there are those that would have us believe hes just living his true self...and "pursuing happiness" of course.

I've been to literally hundreds of age group swim meets to watch my daughter over the years and I really don;t know what I would do if I saw a 50y/o man lining up to swim against her...................................

apparently youre a bigot...and forgotten your humanity.

funny you should mention that.

from bowhunting.com...

"Transgender Archer Banned from Women’s Archery in Texas"

"Nice 8-pointer, but why did you put your antlerless tag on him?"

"Well, he self-identified as..."

(Might be a way around the two-buck limit...)

i'm with fuzzy.....lets just go bowhunting, things are still normal in the woods.

"High school students walk out of class in protest of transgender bathroom policy: 'They ignore us'"

"Students at a Virginia high school in Loudoun County Public Schools (LCPS) walked out in protest of the district’s gender policy that allows non-binary, gender-fluid and transgender students to use whichever school bathrooms and locker rooms they want based on their chosen gender.

Around 50-100 students at Woodgrove High School, in Purcellville, Virginia, participated in the walkout to protest Policy 8040, which the Loudoun County School Board implemented in 2021, ABC WJLA reported. The students said they wanted LCPS to revert to a policy that provided female and male-only spaces, including bathrooms, locker rooms and showers.

"In the locker rooms in the morning it's an invasion of privacy, as I said because when men and natural-born males are in our locker rooms, and they are showering in the morning, natural-born females can walk in there as they please," one male high school student told WJLA. "And that is not OK. And it goes against what we believe in.

A female student told the local news outlet she stopped using the bathroom at school because of the policy, calling it a "massive safety risk" that LCPS doesn't "do anything about.""

"Well, he self-identified as..."

i dont know if you meant to...but you just illustrated how ludicrous this whole "gender identity" thing really is. humor has a way of cutting through the bs...

i agree that its a shame that we have to discuss them...but i think its absolutely necessary that we do.

after all we got to this point because those with common sense just ignored it and brushed it stuff off as the lunatic fringe doing what they do.

it is said "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

another poster hit the nail on the head when he said the following...

"I'd call it a *philosophical* disorder - the denial of physical reality, and the willingness of educated people, who should know better but don't, to go along with it."

Female Detransitioner Sues American Academy of Pediatrics for Pushing Youth Gender Transition

"A 21-year-old female detransitioner who underwent hormone therapy as a teenager is suing the American Academy of Pediatrics for allegedly pushing youth gender transition and lying about the dangers of such medical interventions."

"Isabelle Ayala is accusing the progressive professional medical association, infamous for endorsing so-called gender-affirming care for minors, of civil conspiracy, fraud, and medical malpractice, according to a lawsuit filed Monday and obtained by the Daily Wire. The AAP, the lawsuit claims, knowingly misled the public on youth gender transition by releasing and circulating a 2018 policy statement endorsing the “affirmative model” for gender dysphoria. The statement lacked sufficient evidence to back the safety and efficacy of the model."

UW gave gender-transition surgeries without proper consent: lawsuit A woman says doctors did not obtain her proper consent before removing her uterus and breasts

"A woman who allegedly self-diagnosed herself as having gender dysphoria as a teenager is suing two Wisconsin surgeons who removed her uterus and breasts, saying they did the procedures without her proper consent.

Jay Lick and Katherine Gast, as well as UW Hospital were named in the suit in Dane County Circuit Court, the Wisconsin State Journal reported. Lick reportedly removed the now-23-year-old woman’s uterus when she was 19, while Gast performed her double mastectomy when she was 21. Both surgeries were considered gender-affirming procedures, according to the suit.

The lawsuit argues the woman self-diagnosed herself as having gender dysphoria in her late teens, but that doctors did not independently diagnose her, according to the Wisconsin State Journal.

The suit alleges the doctors carried out malpractice and failed to obtain informed consent, discrimination under the Affordable Care Act, hospital negligence, and the denial of benefits and care that would have been provided to a "non-transgender woman," according to the suit."

A woman says doctors did not obtain her proper consent before removing her uterus and breasts"

not sure about having my mind changed but ive certainly gotten clarity on some things and i see other things differently.

the only real "shame" is not knowing that clicking on any thread...as well as participating in it...is no ones choice but your own.

you subject yourself to my "process" every time you do either one.

same here...but from the looks of things i think they are starting to get their footing.

Federal judge upholds Florida ban on transgender athletes playing on female teams

"A Miami federal judge dismissed a Broward County student’s claims of discrimination as he upheld a 2021 Florida law that bans transgender athletes in public schools and colleges from playing on female sports teams.

In a 39-page order dated Monday, U.S. District Judge Roy Altman said the law, dubbed as the Fairness in Women’s Sports Act and also known as SB 1028, does not violate the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution because its “sex-based classifications are substantially related to the state’s important interest in promoting women’s athletics.”

“Today, we were asked whether a law that separates public-school sports teams by biological sex violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment,” said Altman, an appointee of former President Donald Trump. ”We find that it does not.”

Lombardo, 8 GOP governors call for ban of trans athletes in NCAA women’s sports

Gov. Joe Lombardo is urging the NCAA to ban transgender athletes whose biological sex at birth was male from competing on collegiate women’s sports teams.

Lombardo and eight other Republican governors sent a letter Monday to the NCAA’s Committee on Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sports (CSMAS) stating it had the chance to “guarantee an environment where female college athletes can thrive without concern of inequities,” but current policy allows the NCAA to “avoid responsibility for ensuring fairness of collegiate sports.”

“Due to a lack of action at the federal level, governors have become the last line of defense for protecting fairness in women’s and girls’ sports,” reads the letter, which was also signed by Govs. Sarah Huckabee Sanders of Arkansas, Tate Reeves of Mississippi, Mike Parson of Missouri, Greg Gianforte of Montana, Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, Greg Abbott of Texas, Kristi Noem of South Dakota and Mark Gordon of Wyoming."

actions speak louder than words..."am i right?"

New 'Orwellian' HHS pronoun mandate forces employees to 'deny reality,' violate law: legal expert

'The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has rolled out a new gender pronoun policy that one Heritage Foundation expert and former HHS official says violates employee rights and will result in firings for "misgendering."

He wrote that HHS "imposed a transgender pronoun mandate on its employees who will now be forced to deny biological realities with their own words or face firing"

...and to think we were told that a vote for biden was a vote "for the constitution."

A 'balance between fairness and inclusion': USA Cycling unveils new Transgender Athlete Participation Policy

"USA Cycling, the governing body for the sport of cycling in the United States, today introduced its revised Transgender Athlete Participation Policy, aligning itself with the standards set by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) for international competition while establishing new categories for transgender athletes at the domestic level.

As of 17 July 2023, all transgender women who have transitioned after puberty are banned from competing in the women's category at UCI-sanctioned events."

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/usa-cycling-unveils-new-transgender-athlete-participation-policy

New Thai transgender owner of Miss Universe pageant files for bankruptcy

"The Thai media company that owns the Miss Universe beauty pageant brand said on Thursday it has filed for bankruptcy while it tries to resolve a “liquidity problem”.

JKN Global Group made the announcement in a statement to the Thai Stock Exchange two months after it missed a deadline to repay bonds worth around US$12 million.

The company, owned by media mogul and transgender rights campaigner Anne Jakapong Jakrajutatip, bought the pageant – previously owned by former US president Donald Trump – in 2022 for US$20 million.

looks like parents just might be stepping up.

Petition signed by almost 20K bashes ‘non-binary and transgender extravaganza’ planned for Thanksgiving Day Parade

"Nearly 20,000 people have signed a petition condemning next week’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade as a “non-binary and transgender extravaganza” over the inclusion of two gender non-conforming performers in the lineup.

The petition by One Million Moms (OMM) — a conservative advocacy group created by the American Family Association — claims the annual kickoff to the holiday season will expose “the liberal LGBTQ agenda” to the tens of millions of viewers that tune in to the broadcast each year."

maybe maceys is thinking it worked out so well for bud light...target...and miss universe...theyd try it themselves.

"Transgender Athlete Ban Survives Challenge From Florida Teenager"

"A federal judge in Florida upheld the state’s law banning transgender athletes in public secondary schools and colleges from playing on girls’ or women’s sports teams.

S.B. 1028 doesn’t violate the equal protection clause of the US Constitution because the law’s “sex-based classifications are substantially related to the State’s important interest in promoting women’s athletics,” Judge Roy K. Altman of the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida said Monday. And the plaintiff, identified as D.N., failed to show that the law is “motivated by discriminatory animus,” Altman said.

The court also rejected D.N.'s claim that the law violates Title IX, which bars discrimination based on sex in educational programs that receive federal funds. Altman cited a 2022 ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit—in a case involving Florida’s transgender bathroom bill—that Title IX’s reference to “sex” doesn’t include “gender identity.”

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/transgender-athlete-ban-survives-challenge-from-florida-teenager

i suspect that last sentence is going to be key when this situation eventually finds its way to the scotus.

"attention seeking"...yes. "deranged"...yes. as to the rest...you better be careful...youre going to be labeled a "bigot"...and it would probably be accurate.

"Female Boxer Refuses to Fight Trans Opponent in Canadian Championship Match"

"A female boxer in Quebec withdrew from a provincial boxing championship last month after being told without notice that she would have to fight a male-born transgender opponent.

Boxer Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay refused to step into the ring with transgender opponent Mya Walmsley during the 2023 Provincial Golden Glove Championship..."

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/11/15/female-boxer-refuses-fight-trans-opponent-canadian-championship-match/?fbclid=IwAR3fi2CEUhOxbHXstDKdlEsbR9_SymDFAnyGeeWxk2VDffk2wv7axT2oz-o

good for her...hopefully this snowball keeps rolling.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/mikaela-shiffrin-extends-wins-record-to-89-with-a-seventh-slalom-title-in-levi-finland/ar-AA1jOO4T

"Central Bucks School Board rules transgender athletes must play with teams of sex assigned at birth"

"DOYLESTOWN, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- Transgender athletes in the Central Buck School District will have to play for teams based on the sex they were assigned at birth, according to the school board."

i have to admit...i do get a kick out of the "assigned at birth" stuff...as though there is some sort of actual choice. lol

lets just hope it stays that way.

mikaela is a stud for sure...no pun intended. :)

as long as she stays motivated...and barring any major injuries...she still has a ways to go.

im not aware of anyone talking about any "gay issues"...except for maybe fuzzy. as much as some would desperately like to conflate the two...the trans issue is not a gay issue.

not necessarily.

on the flipside...are you suggesting that all gay men think they are women?

if you truly believe that, youre a lot less educated than i gave you credit for.

"Myself personally,,,,,,feel that two men being intimate together is repulsive."

so do i...but thats completely irrelevant.

;-)

certainly not this part...

...jk

"Kansas universities adopt trans athlete ban"

"TOPEKA (KSNT)- The Kansas Board of Regents has adopted a rule, banning transgender athletes from participating in women’s sports at state universities.

In a board meeting Wednesday, the regents updated its policies based on the new state law, House Bill 2238, which passed earlier this year. The Republican-backed law establishes the “Fairness in Women Sports Act,” requiring athletes to be categorized into teams based on their biological sex."

who ever said that?

you should really familiarize yourself with the difference between correlation and causation.

actually...i think you were...you just used another word for it.

"Beats talking about attention-seeking deranged faggots. Which is exactly what they want, to be talked about."

maybe you just dont remember...

It fits right into the accusation, and denial terminology created by those that refuse to acknowledge certain facts or truths, e.g., homophobe, bigot, racist, sexist, ageist, insurrectionist, etc.

When you can’t debate your way out of a wet paper bag, you simply default to the list and choose the term that fits your narrative. Once the desired word is chosen, the conversation is expected to be completed by the user of that word.

Cop out buzz words, if you will.

It happens here all the time, by some more than others.

seems odd that someone who claims to not care about the thread topic...sure spends a lot of time trolling it and trying to get it locked up.

are you are threatened by the topic?

English women's soccer league embroiled in controversy over transgender player: report

Some clubs refused to play the team in which the transgender woman was on

"An English women’s soccer league is embroiled in turmoil as clubs reportedly refuse to play against a team that has a transgender female on its roster."

"There are a lot of 16-year-old girls in our league who are getting into football for the first time," a source told The Telegraph. "It’s a huge concern, and virtually every team in the league has taken the stance to stick together and not to play against Rossington for safety reasons."

Get to many liberal idiots that don't know right from wrong and you can make about anything law....

sooner or later we will ALL face GOD, truth and justice.....regardless of our pathetic attempts at law......when that day comes.......there will be no more transgender problems....period

some of the same people that want us all to believe that men can become women and women can become men were actually trying to do away with rudolph all together.

apparently they think rudolph the red-nosed reindeer should be cancelled because of the incredible amount of bullying it portrayed.

I finally discovered what the Democrats meant when they acknowledged our border issues.

Border Patrol is now required to address the criminals flooding our country by their preferred pronouns. Are you F’n kidding me? We may be close to the next eminent attack on our soil, but at least we’re making sure we don’t offend the terrorists as they arrive and plan their next ambush.

Transgender Women Banned From International Cricket—Latest Major Sport With Restrictions

"The governing body for cricket announced new regulations Tuesday that will prevent transgender women from competing in international matches, joining other sports like swimming and rugby with similar restrictions."

do you think you will get the pronghorn or this thread will end first. I am betting on you getting the animal first.

ive never hunted antelope...are they as easy to bag as pavlovs dog?

Christian School Sues After Forfeiting Game Against Transgender Athlete

"On Tuesday, the conservative organization, Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), filed a lawsuit on behalf of the Mid Vermont Christian School after claiming they were prohibited from competing in future sports tournaments as a result of their decision to forfeit a girl's basketball game in February against the Long Trail High School, which has a transgender woman on its team.

"Mid Vermont Christian is a highly respected school that has excelled in both academics and athletics, and many families send their children to the school for these reasons. But the state is now excluding Mid Vermont Christian from its Town Tuitioning Program and from competing in middle school and high school sports because of the school's religious beliefs," the Alliance Defending Freedom said in a statement this week. Newsweek reached out to ADF via its website for comment.

The lawsuit comes amid ongoing issues surrounding the inclusion of transgender athletes. Many conservatives have argued against allowing transgender women in female sports categories."

and im the one that is supposed to be "obsessed." lol

for the most part i do...however i do keep checking it...after all i started the conversation because the topic interests me. it only stands to reason i would continue checking a thread that i started...and still interests me. whenever i see something new that pertains to the subject matter of the thread that i started...i post that also.

just find it rather childish and hypocritical...not to mention ignorant... that people go to such an extent to derail a conversation that they insist doesnt interest them...and by doing so they keep bringing it ttt. makes about as much sense as kicking each other in the nads...and then complaining about how much it hurts.

Matt

'Interests'? 'INTERESTS'? Sorry, you are way waaaay over the line into 'obsession'. Let it go already. Go kill something.

Says the guy that has an obsession with trump! Lol!

It’s your thread rtcg. As long as Pat allows it, post away. Just wait to see who howls the loudest when they learn that turn-about is fair play.

no worries there. the funny part is this thread probably would have faded away long ago had it not been for a couple trolls pushing it ttt every day or so. lol

"Just wait to see who howls the loudest when they learn that turn-about is fair play."

no "turn-about for me...like i said if a conversation doesnt interest me i dont click on it.

i graduated from elementary school over 50 years ago.

that may or may not be the case...but im quite certain he never claimed he was a woman.

wow...you have a lot more interest in this subject than you want others to believe.

i guess there is a reason the roman empire fell.

easy to be woke when you or your daughter isnt the one that is directly affected. it would be nice to know how many of the school administrators advocating for this crap actually have daughters (biological) that would be directly affected.

Florida students stage a walkout after transgender sports controversy

The walkout took place a day after five school staffers, including the principal, were reassigned for reportedly allowing a trans student on the girls volleyball team.

"Hundreds of students at a Florida high school staged a walkout on Tuesday after their principal and several other school officials were reportedly reassigned over a transgender student’s participation on the girls volleyball team."

Karma is a bitch. Now that will be worth the price of admission

call me crazy but i would never even think of clicking on a thread that i proclaim no interest in...and then just troll it for attention. that kind of stuff is for people who never emotionally progressed past middle school.

It’s pretty simple. If the thread doesn’t suit you, don’t waste time whining about it. Move along.

it does suit me...thats why i started it.

i do have interest in bowhunting...and i do post on bowhunting threads...its just not my only interest. lots of people start and post on non bowhunting related threads...including the owner of the site...as well as the site moderators. do you ask them the same question?

fwiw...there are 7 bowhunting threads on the opening bowsite page that i have posted on. is there a minimum requirement necessary to be considered to have an interest in bowhunting"

if thats what you think this thread was about...what I "enjoy"...or what you thought my interest was in...you truly arent very bright.

rumor has it that even then it was a little confusing. lol

you seem really desperate to take this conversation off topic and turn it into a discussion about gays....it there something youre personally struggling with?

Piers Morgan calls trans athletes participation in women's sports 'grotesquely unfair,' calls for boycotts

"I actually think, right now, every female competitor in women’s sport in the world should just refuse to compete against trans athletes. Not because they’re transphobic, because they want to protect women’s rights to fairness. And if they all did that one day, this ends."

i agree with him. ive thought from the very beginning that if women and girls want this to change...they need to step up (or down) and refuse to participate in any competition where biological males are allowed to compete with biological females. if this were to happen...this would change almost immediately.

women and girls are in complete control of this situation...they just dont realize it yet.

as it pertains to this conversation...try looking at my first post...as well as my last post. it was really quite specific. do you have any opinion on that topic...or are you just going to continue to troll about everything but that topic.?

by virtue of the fact that you click on this thread multiple times a day...id say the topic occupies your mind more than you let on...or i do.

as for me...i dont fish much but i do think about hunting...boating...college sports...politics...current affairs...my family...my faith...business...investments...and a whole host of other things. i find one dimensional people are boring. i find immature one dimensional people annoying.

hardly. this thread would have faded away long ago if it hadnt been for people like you and fuzzy posting anything you can think of in order to get it closed. i just decided whenever you do that...ill just respond with something else on topic.

ironically it is you two that keep it going...and im more than happy to oblige.

your screen name is quite appropriate...you take a licking and keep on ticking. lol

good question. im pretty sure diving competitions follow that same guidelines as swimming competitions.

Lee called a point of order, urging Gaines' remarks be struck from the record, but it was withdrawn

"And ranking member Lee, if my testimony makes me ‘transphobic,’ then I believe your opening monologue makes you a misogynist."

this girl has some balls (pun intended). lol

riley gaines might just go down as the modern day susan b anthony.

as i said before cornpone...i truly believe the tide has turned. a year ago...i would have agreed but biological women have had enough and it's people like riley gains...who are willing to take the incoming...the bullying...the attempts to silence...the threats of physical violence...that give others the courage to follow suit.

i fear for her safety...but applaud her courage.

House GOP will introduce a second transgender athlete ban next week

"House Republicans are planning to launch a second legislative effort to bar transgender women and girls from competing on female school sports teams, cementing the issue as a priority for the GOP ahead of 2024.

The proposed “Save Women’s Sports Act” would require public K-12 schools and colleges to designate sports teams — including intramural and club teams — based on sex assigned at birth, rather than gender identity. The bill’s restrictions would also apply to private schools that receive federal financial assistance, according to a draft obtained by The Hill."

"Sorry gents,,,,,, Just couldn't resist......" :)

Pot meet kettle. Sounds like the maturity level of a twelve year old.

"ironically it is you two that keep it going...and im more than happy to oblige."

Actually it's YOU, as evidenced by this comment. But you're too in love with the tripe that pours from your fingertips to recognize it. Like I've oft said you have deep rooted narcisstic issues that drives you to have the last word. At first it was comical, now it's kinda sad.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........splash.........and the largemouth ass slowly rises to bite.

...as promised...

RILEY GAINES: When a sportswoman dies at the hands of a male-born trans athlete - will Congress STILL call me a 'transphobe'?

"When someone resorts to name-calling, it's usually because they know they're fighting a losing battle.

They childishly attack their opponent, rather than trying to argue with clear facts."

good article and good for riley gains. she is wise beyond her years. like i said before...

"riley gaines might just go down as the modern day susan b anthony."

To all the wanna be's......you will never ever compare, because at the end of the day?....your still counterfeit. ....not being hateful....just truthful

if this is what the president and ceo of the national womens law center thinks...

National Women's Law Center President Fatima Goss Graves, the liberal witness at the Title IX hearing, says that female athletes should "learn to lose gracefully" to biological men.

...with friends like that...who needs enemies.

Transgender female swimmer, 50, uses change room with young girls at Barrie event

"Girls from age eight to 16 in a Swimming Canada-sanctioned swim meet in Barrie last week not only found themselves in the same pool as a transgender female swimmer but in the same changeroom, too.

Parents confirmed that the person in question changed in and out of a swimsuit in the women’s locker room at the East Bayfield Community Centre during the Dec. 1 Trojan Cup.

“The girls were terrified,” said one parent of a child involved.

And mortified.

From the changing area, where parents put up makeshift towel-tenting apparatus so no one could see their daughters and they could not see the person with male anatomy changing with them, they got into the pool to race against this 50-year-old who was competing in several categories.

The whole thing is gross.

“It’s all so confusing for the kids,” said one parent. “No one is comfortable. Everybody is accepting of all people but them swimming against our kids and being in the locker room with them is not appropriate.”

lol

I’m at the point where I’m wondering what I have to say to get this taken down….

"Gentlemen...the horse has not only been beaten to death, it's now starting to rot, and stink."

as far as i was concerned...the topic a was dead a number of times. but when the usual suspects continue to bring it up again and again on this as well as totally unrelated threads...its obvious that it is still occupying a large part of their minds.

https://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=501241&messages=34&forum=36#5257903

https://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?threadid=501238&messages=26&forum=36

so its pretty simple...as long as others keep kicking the carcass...the stink will probably keep rising. lets see who kicks the carcass going forward... :)

fuzzy is obviously starved for the latest trans sports news...

Ohio General Assembly passes bill limiting transgender athletes' participation, medical care for minors The bill limits gender-affirming care and participation in girls' sports.

"The Ohio Senate passed a bill restricting certain transgender rights for minors in the state on Wednesday.

House Bill 68 is comprised of two acts: the "Save Adolescents from Experimentation Act," which bans transgender minors from receiving gender-affirming care and the "Save Women's Sports Act," which prevents transgender girls from taking part in girls' and women's sports.

The bill was passed by the Senate Oversight Committee earlier Wednesday before passing 24-8 in the Senate. The bill passed the House of Representatives in June, but it headed back to the chamber for a second vote Wednesday evening over approving the amendments made by the Senate. The House approved those in a vote of 61-27."

Clearly you don't know the difference between being the butt of a joke and someone being interested in the topic. You have no intention of letting this thread die, so you come up with every conceivable excuse to keep it alive. It's become a game to you, not a discussion.

If you were a newcomer, do you think it's a good look for the longest running thread on a bow hunting forum to be about trans athletes?

And, yes, I realize that I just contributed to your deranged obsession. It will be the last time, I promise.

Matt

clearly i do...and thats exactly why i turn the joke around. clearly you dont understand sarcasm...or that being the butt of your joke doesnt faze me in the least.

"If you were a newcomer, do you think it's a good look for the longest running thread on a bow hunting forum to be about trans athletes?"

ask yourself that question. if you were a newcomer...do you think its a good look to see people insert quips about trans athletes on bowhunting threads?

"And, yes, I realize that I just contributed to your deranged obsession."

of course you did...ironically...you were one of the "usual suspects" that brought it up on a totally unrelated thread.

"It will be the last time, I promise."

that remains to be seen...

A woman has a vagina

Gender is determined at conception in the womb of a woman and can't be changed. A little science for you.

Sorry, couldn't resist

lets hope connecticut comes around to the same logic. as more and more states fight back against this lunacy...cases like this will gain momentum.

Court revives lawsuit over Connecticut rule allowing trans girls to compete in school sports

A federal court will allow four cisgender runners to sue over Connecticut's trans-inclusive policy, which they say deprived them of honors and opportunities.

"Opponents of Connecticut’s policy letting transgender girls compete in girls high school sports will get a second chance to challenge it in court, an appeals court ruled Friday, which revived the case without weighing in on its merits."

is philadelphia above the mason dixon line?

Kendall Stephens, Philadelphia LGBTQ activist, charged with rape of minors

"A Philadelphia LGBTQ activist has been arrested and charged for allegedly raping two minors, court documents show. Kendall Stephens, 37, was arrested Monday and had a preliminary arraignment in Philadelphia Municipal Court.

Court documents show Stephens was charged with rape, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse, unlawful contact with minors, corruption of minors, unlawful contact with minors, indecent assault against people less than 13 years of age, obscenity to minors and endangering the welfare of children.

Philadelphia police said the alleged incidents happened in September."

sure does

says that on any given minute of any give day...those are the things that bowsite members (not just you) wanted to talk about.

USA Boxing slammed for new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against women

"USA Boxing, the governing body of the sport in the United States, is being slammed for its “pathetic and disgusting” new transgender policy that allows biological men to compete against biological women.

Under the new policy, included in the 2024 rule book, male boxers who transition can compete in the female category so long as they meet certain criteria.

Those under the age of 18 are still required to compete as their birth gender, but adults can choose their category as long as they state their new gender identity and fully complete gender reassignment surgery.

Transgender athletes must also participate in regular hormone testing."

https://nypost.com/2024/01/02/news/usa-boxing-slammed-for-new-transgender-policy/

or maybe youre just "poking the dog"...but that would be so unlike you.

Yes it is. The Mason Dixon Line is along Pennsylvania's southern border.

Only one poster that seems to be consumed by it. My experience tells me the ones most vocal about something are overcompensating for something and generally have the most to hide.

i actually agree with you. this thread was pretty much dead and hadnt been posted on in two weeks. even so...there are a couple of posters that keep bringing up the subject of transgender swimmers on totally unrelated threads so i just figured they were still interested in talking about it.

as a matter of fact...every post by me on this thread for over a month now has been in direct response to those types of posts...hence my post on dec 2.

" this thread would have faded away long ago if it hadnt been for people like you and fuzzy posting anything you can think of in order to get it closed. i just decided whenever you do that...ill just respond with something else on topic.

ironically it is you two that keep it going...and im more than happy to oblige."

so yes...there are posters that are consumed by the topic...bringing it up everywhere they can (not to mention being obsessed with other posters...making childish responses to everything they post).

i think what they refer to that as "poka-poka" or being a "yappy little mutt."

carry on...

:)

show me where i have ever said i had no interest in the subject. i am interested in the subject...thats why i started the thread. in my opinion we should all be interested in the subject...certainly anyone who gives a shizzle about the women in their lives.

it is you and a few others that act like they have no interest...yet you keep clicking and posting on the thread...as well as insisting on inserting the topic on other totally unrelated threads.

from over a month ago...the only time i have posted anything new on this thread...it has been in response to the "poka-poka."

nice try...but you are right about one thing.

".......""""(((WOW)))"""......."

it may take you ten minutes to copy and paste a link...but for most of us it takes about 15 seconds.

Newsom offers sex changes to migrants: 'Clown world'

youre both so funny...

you dont have to deal with it at all...but you cant stop. clicking on and posting on this thread is strictly voluntary.

my god...one of you thinks about it on the toilet...counting all the times ive posted a link...and calculating how much time that might have taken. the other has taken the time to post dozens of memes and photos...not to mention bigoted comments in an effort to get the thread locked...and you think im the one thats obsessed.

whos playing who? all i have to do is bring this thread to the top and you two start salivating.

speaking of dogs...pavlov would have had a field day with both of you.

why dont you guys put your money where you mouth is and refuse to click or post on this thread...not to mention mentioning the topic on completely unrelated threads and see what happens.

And they bring it up on other threads to point out how much of a joke you and this thread are. The fact that you fail to acknowledge that only makes you look like more of a clown. Everyone's laughing at you Ricky, not with you.

they are like third graders chanting "na na na na na na" and "i know you are but what am i."

grade school tactics for grade school intellect.

cue the memes...