Oregon wolves to Colorado
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From: Paul@thefort
06-Oct-23
DENVER – In a one-year agreement announced today between Colorado Parks and Wildlife and Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, Oregon will be a source for up to 10 wolves for the Colorado gray wolf reintroduction effort. These wolves will be captured and translocated between December 2023 and March 2024.

From: JohnMC
06-Oct-23
Paul you could hijack the truck let all the wolves loose in ID or WY. ;)

From: Live2Hunt
06-Oct-23
Colorado should hope for an accident of the truck in route.

From: Willieboat
06-Oct-23
You can have more than 10 if you want ?

06-Oct-23
That’s a great idea John. I’ll offer my services to help stop the spread haha

From: Paul@thefort
06-Oct-23
How many wolves are in Oregon? Oregon's Wolf Population Increases by Only Two After Year of ... 175 wolves PORTLAND, Ore. — Oregon's wolf population increased by two confirmed animals in 2021 — from 173 to 175 wolves — according to a report released today by the state's Department of Fish and Wildlife. There were 21 reported packs in 2021, while the number of breeding pairs decreased by one for a total of 175. 16.Apr 19, 2022

From: Paul@thefort
06-Oct-23
Capturing the wolves will be up to CPW, but Oregon wildlife officials will share wolf locations and best practice for capturing them.

"We are grateful to the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife for working with our agency on this critical next step in reintroducing gray wolves in the state," CPW Director Jeff Davis said in a news release. "This agreement will help ensure Colorado Parks and Wildlife can meet its statutory mandate to begin releasing wolves in Colorado by December 31, 2023."

Colorado will pay for all costs associated with capturing the wolves in Oregon, CPW said. They plan to use helicopter crews and spotter planes during the operation.

Once the wolves are captured, CPW said it will test and treat the animals for an diseases on site. Then they'll place tracking collars on them, and take measurments of the animals.

They plan to transport the wolves in sturdy aluminum crates back to Colorado, either by truck or airplane.

“The wolves will be released at select sites in Colorado as soon as possible once they arrive in the state to minimize stress on the animals,” CPW Wolf Conservation Program Manager Eric Odell said in a news release. “CPW will aim to capture and reintroduce an equal number of males and females. We anticipate that the majority of animals will be in the 1- to 5-year-old range, which is the age that animals would typically disperse from the pack they were born in.”

Wolves will have to reach a certain standard to be selected for reintroduction. CPW said it won't take wolves that have several broken canines, missing eyes, fractured or missing limbs, mange or lice infestation.

“Oregon has a long history of helping other states meet their conservation goals by providing animals for translocation efforts. Some of our wildlife populations were also restored thanks to other states doing the same for us, including Rocky Mountain elk, bighorn sheep and Rocky Mountain goat,” Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife Director Curt Melcher said. “The wolves will come from northeast Oregon, where wolves are most abundant in the state and where removal of 10 wolves will not impact any conservation goals.”

From: Willieboat
06-Oct-23
Way to many, shitty deal all the way around.

From: JohnMC
06-Oct-23
Paul you going to Denver tonight?

From: LUNG$HOT
06-Oct-23
Well…Oregon is officially on my middle finger list

From: Aspen Ghost
06-Oct-23
If you guys in Colorado don't like it then file suit in Oregon to prevent their removal from an "endangered population". I'm sure Oregon hasn't done a proper Environmental Impact Assessment to support the removal. Use the same techniques that the animal rights activists use. But for some reason sportsmen just roll over and take it.

From: LUNG$HOT
06-Oct-23
^^^Not a terrible idea AG

From: Z Barebow
06-Oct-23
“Well…Oregon is officially on my middle finger list”

What took you so long? Portland and 2020 did it for me.

From: bowhunt
06-Oct-23
I can tell them where to get a couple packs of wolves!

They moved onto my best elk hunting areas this year. I’ve never hunted around wolves, it definitely changed the elk behavior big time.

From: KSflatlander
06-Oct-23

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The capture of the Oregon wolves is probably covered under the Colorado reintroduction EIS. Since they are covered under ESA Section 10j there's more latitude for take.

From: cnelk
06-Oct-23
Man, there’s guys on here that believe everything a Game & Fish department tells them.

From: Paul@thefort
06-Oct-23
True, the following. The preferred donor population for the proposed reintroduction of gray wolves to Colorado is the delisted northern Rocky Mountains population, found in Idaho, Montana, eastern Oregon, eastern Washington, and Wyoming. Gray wolves in these states are managed by State fish and wildlife agencies and Tribes. These wolves are an appropriate source for the Colorado reintroduction because of similarities in habitat and preferred prey; at least one member of the current pack in Colorado dispersed from the northern Rocky Mountains population; and the northern Rocky Mountains population reached numerical, spatial, and temporal recovery goals by the end of 2002 (USFWS 2020d). The northern Rocky Mountains wolf population continues to demonstrate stable to slightly increasing demographic trends, with an estimated 1,337 wolves in Idaho as of August 2022 (Idaho Department of Fish and Game 2023) and an estimated 1,087 gray wolves in Montana at the end of the 2022 (Parks et al. 2023). In addition, the most recent year-end minimum counts for 2022 indicated at least 338 gray wolves in Wyoming, 216 wolves in Washington, 178 wolves in Oregon, and 18 in California (California Department of Fish and Wildlife 2022; Oregon DFW 2023; Washington DFW et al. 2023; Wyoming GFD et al. 2023). Further, the northern Rocky Mountains population is part of a larger metapopulation of wolves that encompasses all of western Canada (USFWS 2020d). Given the demonstrated resilience and recovery trajectory of the northern Rocky Mountains population and limited number of animals that would be collected, negligible negative impacts on the donor population are expected. If donor wolves from the western United States are not available, another possible source of gray wolves for the Colorado reintroduction may be the wolf population in the western Great Lake states of Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin. Wolves in Minnesota are currently listed as threatened under the ESA, while wolves in Michigan and Wisconsin are listed as endangered. The western Great Lakes region has nearly 4,400 wolves (Erb and Humpal 2021; Michigan DNR 2022; Wisconsin DNR 2022) and are part of a larger metapopulation of wolves that extends into central and eastern Canada. As a result, the capture, transport, and reintroduction to Colorado of approximately 30 to 45 gray wolves over a 2- to-3-year period would have little to no effect on the wolf population in Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin.

From: Groundhunter
06-Oct-23
Colorado is a lost state, unless the resident hunters. From all weapons. Organize. Even that might be too late

From: Vaquero 45
06-Oct-23
Let me guess , I take it these wolves are chipped ? ''''''''''

06-Oct-23
I’d rather have Oregon’s wolves than their liberals.

From: Zbone
06-Oct-23
There goes the Colorado elk herd...

Paul - Are they dumping these 10 in one spot or are they spreading them out?

06-Oct-23
I’d rather have Oregon’s wolves than their liberals.

From: Grasshopper
07-Oct-23
Remember before the vote when they said the introduction was just going to cost some loose pocket change?

How in the hell can they lie like that and get away with it?

From: Jaquomo
07-Oct-23
Z, they are releasing them on two small properties to avoid complying with Federal EIS requirements. Of course they will be off those two parcels within hours, but the law, you know. Have to follow it.....

07-Oct-23
Horrible.. take them to boulder

From: Groundhunter
07-Oct-23
Oregon liberals already there, with more coming.

From: Zbone
07-Oct-23
Jaquomo - Curious, did they give those locations out?

From: cnelk
07-Oct-23

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From: Paul@thefort
07-Oct-23
Zbone, I believe these 10 wolves will be dispersed (not as a group but as individuals) in one of the two zones showed above. The following year, in the other zone. Not sure if all wolves will come from one pack or just individual wolves, some related, some not. With only 178 wolves in Oregon, might be hard to be choosey. The question might be raised, where will the next 10-15 wolves come from if Oregon is willing to donate the first year only, i.e. "one year agreement"?

From: cnelk
07-Oct-23
"The question might be raised, where will the next 10-15 wolves come from .... "

Nez Perce Tribe in Idaho

From: cnelk
07-Oct-23
Colorado's persistent but teetering assurance that it will have reintroduced wolves on the ground ahead of the end of this year's deadline received a voice of validation Monday.

A Nez Perce Tribe spokesperson told the Coloradoan on Monday it will "likely" be able to provide source wolves to Colorado to help meet its deadline.

Aaron Miles, the Idaho tribe’s natural resource manager, said the tribe is willing to help and that conversations between Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, who strongly supports wolf reintroduction, and Shannon Wheeler, chairman of the tribe's executive committee, have taken place and continue to take place to work out the details.

Colorado hopes to release 10 to 15 wolves during its first year of reintroduction.

"Yes, we are working hard to develop that plan and the Nez Perce Tribe has every intention of helping Colorado be a source of wolves," he said. "Our executive committee has given us the go-ahead as a department to begin working on this. I think it is likely we could do it to meet their deadline."

It's a matter of logistics, Miles cautioned, if wolves can be captured and translocated to Colorado in time to meet the ballot initiative's mandated deadline.

Obstacles include finding experts to safely capture the wolves and whether the area receives enough snow to aid in helicopter capture of the wolves, he said. Nez Perce tribal land encompasses millions of acres in the heart of Idaho's wolf country, spilling over into Washington, Oregon and Montana.

Nez Perce's willingness to help comes as good news after Wyoming, Montana and Idaho governments told Colorado they won't serve as source states for the reintroduction. Washington is mulling over the possibility but said it can't provide wolves for Colorado this year. Oregon is still contemplating if it will provide wolves to Colorado.

That prompted Colorado to turn to the Nez Perce Tribe. Miles said conversations between Colorado and the tribe began about a month ago.

The unexpected uncertainty of whether Colorado will be able to find wolves in time to meet its deadline has put increasing pressure on the state.

The situation became so dire that Colorado Parks and Wildlife Director Jeff Davis cautioned Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission members at its Aug. 25 meeting to not put undue pressure on the Washington wildlife commission to vote to provide wolves to Colorado.

"Let’s talk before we just barrage Washington’s commission," Davis told the commission. "I say that because (Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Director Kelly) Susewind is navigating the complicated situation and it's super sensitive, so if too many people are barraging folks or lobbying folks, you’re likely going to do more harm to our likelihood than have success."

Does the Nez Perce Tribe have the authority to capture wolves and give them to Colorado?? The tribe does not need the blessing or backing of the Idaho state government to capture and translocate wolves because the tribe is a sovereign nation, which basically allows for self-government. Miles said that was secured in an 1855 treaty with the federal government.

The tribe was instrumental in reintroducing wolves to Idaho in 1995. The state of Idaho balked at helping with the federal government's Northern Rocky Mountains wolf reintroduction, which also included Yellowstone National Park, so the tribe stepped in and led the effort.

Miles said many of the tribe's wolf experts have retired, making it more difficult to help Colorado with source wolves.

"We largely no longer have the technical capacity of those people involved with the (1995) reintroduction, so we have our work cut out for us," he said. "It's now figuring out the details because you just can't get anyone to capture wolves; you have to have the right people and do it right. But if you have the energy on both sides to make it work, like we and Colorado do, you make it work."

Miles said wolves are revered in the tribe and, as such, it wishes to see proliferation of the animals.

"Our goal is different than someone else's goal," he said. "We have lots of legends based on animals that teach us how we fit into the natural world as people."

One of the first gray wolf pups born in Colorado is shown after being captured via helicopter and fitted with a tracking collar Wednesday, Feb. 9, 2022 in Jackson County.

Why snow on the ground is critical for the capture of wolves? Colorado Parks and Wildlife's wolf recovery plan cited helicopter capture of wolves as the preferred method, as it is generally agreed by experts as the quickest and safest option as opposed to using traps and snares.

In wolf captures, generally, a plane is used to spot the wolves. Then a nearby helicopter flies to the site and hovers over the wolf, which is shot with a tranquilizer dart. Colorado's plan calls for the wolves then to be immediately transported, likely by air, to their release site(s) in Colorado. The cages will be opened, and the wolves are then on their own.

Reid DeWalt, the state wildlife agency's assistant director, told the Colorado Wildlife Commission at its Aug. 25 meeting that the agency sees the wolf release season as mid-December until the middle of March.

"We really need that snow for helicopter capture," he said. "Wolves are fast and you're not going to really track them down with a helicopter (without snow), and we want to capture them quickly. But if it doesn’t snow, we will have to capture them in a different way."

Colorado Parks and Wildlife captured and collared a male wolf that naturally migrated into the state and one of its pups in February 2021 and 2022, respectively.

DeWalt told the commission it has 20 collars ready to place on the reintroduced wolves.

"December is coming quick and we have a lot to do," DeWalt told the commission. "But we expect to meet the deadline.''

Where Colorado plans to release reintroduced wolves? DeWalt told the commission a team is actively looking at around 10 potential release sites west of the Continental Divide in case weather eliminates some of the sites. It's likely releases will take place at two to three sites, according to the state's recovery plan.

The state's wolf recovery plan has identified the initial releases will take place on state and private land in an oval shape roughly with Glenwood Springs on the west, Kremmling on the north, Vail on the east and Aspen on the south. The area includes Interstate 70 running through the middle.

The area within the green circle is where Colorado Parks and Wildlife is recommending the state's first reintroduced wolves be released followed by the yellow circle.

From: Stix
07-Oct-23
This should really help the white river herd recover after last year's winter kill. This year's reduction in tags will become permanent.

From: bowhunt
07-Oct-23
Hey Paul, Oregon has more than 178 wolves.

ODFW uses what they call a “minimum known count” for the wolves

From ODFW:”

This annual count is based on verified wolf evidence (like visual observations, tracks, and remote camera photographs). The actual number of wolves in Oregon is higher, as not all individuals present in the state are located during the winter count.”

From: HDE
07-Oct-23
"...but the law, you know. Have to follow it...."

Therein lies the problem. Most people don't know what a law is and what the whim of a politician is...

From: HDE
07-Oct-23
Wolves will make their way over to the Unitas and La Sal's in UT or move south to the SUIT. That will be an interesting show to watch once the SUIT's have wolves taking down elk and trophy mule deer...

From: Zbone
07-Oct-23
Thanks for the info guys...

From: Glunt@work
07-Oct-23
Future is looking good! Winter kill, more wolves on the way, mountain lion hunting ban likely on the next ballot and animal rights activists appointed to the Wildlife Commission. One of the newly appointed Commissioners, supposedly representing "Sportspersons", is the guy who led the charge to go around the CPW and get forced wolf introduction on the ballot.

It's upside-down world here.

From: Orion
07-Oct-23
Colorado is toast, can't wait until my kids are done with school.

From: badbull
07-Oct-23
How can the "Powers that be" ignore what happened in Idaho when wolves were introduced there and the elk herds were desimated (especially where I once elk hunted where elk were effectively traded for wolves) ? They must realize that their dump is close enough to units like 61 that it is just a matter of time before it will happen there.

07-Oct-23
^^^^ Because your “Powers that be” couldn’t give a rat’s azz whether you have elk to hunt or not. Fact is, they’d rather you not hunt at all. Thank God I live north of the Border of Insanity.

From: Glunt@work
07-Oct-23
The "powers that be" answer to the Governor. The Governor's husband is an animal rights activist. Or they are a minority in the Legislature with little power.

Even if they wanted to do the right thing, the wolf intro is the result of a ballot initiative the people voted on.

From: WapitiBob
08-Oct-23

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This one should be healthy enough to make the trip. Size 13 Salomon for comparison.

From: Bowone1
08-Oct-23
You won't have any elk or deer left in Colorado if you get wolves and they ban cougar hunting !! Try and stop it by any way possible !!

From: BigEight
09-Oct-23
They've decimated the local deer population by me in Wisconsin. I can't overstate how quickly things changed. I'm not a guy who thinks the sky is always falling but it's simple math when you go from 40-60 deer a night in your field to none. Good luck Colorado. You're going to need it. I just so happen to hunt the lower of those circles too so I guess I will have to deal with them no matter where I go.

From: pirogue
10-Oct-23
One treehugger state to another.

From: moch
11-Oct-23
In five years they will be in Northern New Mexico also. we will get hit from the north and south.

From: HDE
11-Oct-23
^^^ not if they wind up in Rio Arriba county. May not survive long...

From: Aspen Ghost
11-Nov-23

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There's one Oregon wolf that won't be moving to Colorado.

From: elkmtngear
11-Nov-23
"There's one Oregon wolf that won't be moving to Colorado".

Wow, can't believe he got away with the "self defense" argument in Oregon !

Maybe it will set a precedent?

From: bowhunt
11-Nov-23
According to the article the wolf population has not grown the last couple years due to different mortality

Sounds like we have hit the MAXIMUM amount of wolves for for Oregon

I actually think they have just dispersed further into previous areas that didn’t have wolves, so the biologist haven’t seen them in the new areas to include in the “minimum count”.

“Minimum count” used to give the population is animals they have seen or caught on trail camera that can be identified as a different animal not seen before.

Imagine how many more there actually are.

From: Ziek
11-Nov-23
wyobullshooter. And here I thought that you guys introduced wolves years ago. Maybe we could stop selling OTC elk tags to nonresidents, and end DIY nonresident hunting in our Wilderness areas to help offset the wolves.

11-Nov-23
Ziek, you thought wrong. WE did no such thing. As for stopping the sell of OTC NR elk tags, that would certainly be a good start.

From: RJ Hunt
11-Nov-23
We have way more wolves here in Oregon then they report. I have friends losing livestock to them and if was up to me we would ship them all away… or start a widespread euthanasia campaign.

From: Jaquomo
11-Nov-23
Lauren Boebert's billbto delist wolves passed the House. That must make the Lefties crazy! We'll see what happens when it gets to the Senate, but I suspect at least a couple Dem Senators will vote for it.

From: KSflatlander
11-Nov-23
Congress deciding what is on the ESA is as bad as biology by popular vote. That’s not how the ESA law works. A great example of Boebert’s stupidity. As if she needs help in that department. And completely hypocritical.

From: RK
11-Nov-23
So you were right Jaquomo, it has made the lefties crazy

Triggered the hell out of KS

I'm sure it's the same downstream from him

Priceless

From: KSflatlander
11-Nov-23
LMAO triggered…it’s just comical. Why would something trigger me that’s dead on arrival in the lowest courts.

Boebert’s not even qualified to give discrete handjobs LMAO.

What is triggering is fellow bowhunters advocating for poaching, SSS, and eradication/extinction of any native species. It’s perfect fodder for animal rights groups and completely destroys our (hunters) +100 year reputation as practicing conservationists. That’s alarming, concerning, embarrassing, and triggering. RK is a prime example of what we as hunters and conservationists shouldn’t be. A net negative on our hunting community.

From: RK
11-Nov-23
So why even mention it.

Once again sexual references in explaining you position or the position of someone else

And as you said it's dead on arrival, so really no risk destroying any reputations or 100 + years of being conservationists.

As a famous actor once said, all MOO Points.

A LMAO moment for sure. Thanks Jaquomo !!

From: KSflatlander
11-Nov-23
“So why even mention it.”

Because promoting behavior like Boebert’s on biology is no different than biology by popular vote. I see RK that you’re clueless once again and making my point for me. Thanks.

From: RK
11-Nov-23
Yea. That's the ticket. Lmao

A bitch slap from the biggest fraud on the Bowsite Wooooweeee that hurt, NOT

From: Jaquomo
11-Nov-23
Ryan, seeing as how the ESA has less to do with biology and more as a political cudgel, I think this is wonderful. We need more of it. She introduced the bill, but she didn't write it. The House voted to pass it. It is called the "Trust the Science Act". Finally, some common sense coming out of that place.

Wildlife management by ballot box or wildlife management by activist judges. No difference. In your heart, you know wolves aren't "endangered".

From: LUNG$HOT
11-Nov-23
Good gawd Ks. You, me and everyone else on this site with half a brain knows dam well the only reason wolves are still on the ESL is purely political. Fact is, wolves are recovered far past the objective numbers. I agree that “ ballot box” biology isn’t a good way to manage wildlife but until we restore common sense “scientific” management, where we let the actual biologists determine what is good for the landscape we fight fire with fire.

Edit: Must’ve been typing same time as Lou.

From: KSflatlander
11-Nov-23
Every ESA has listing and delisting criteria that is determined the exact same way by wildlife biologists. It’s been that way since inception. That’s a better than any other method especially having politicians or non-hunting popularity contests.

“Fact is, wolves are recovered far past the objective numbers”

Lungshot- What does recovered mean biologically and what is the objective number? If you really think what you’re saying is true and so obvious then sue the USFWS to delist the wolf and you will win easily.

The ESA protection isn’t just about numbers. It’s about geography, genetics, diversity, population trends, habitat, disease, poaching, and many other factors. Most of all it’s about conservation and our societal value of wild things and wild places.

If you want more of it Lou then don’t complain when animal rights activists do it too. What Boebert’s doing is try to circumvent biology and it’s a dangerous. It gives animals rights groups all the ammo they need. The same dangerous precedent as the Colorado wolf popular vote. It will in no way help anything. You want to be a part of that then go for it.

From: Jaquomo
11-Nov-23
Since "science" has morphed into "political science", I'm all about fighting fire with fire. Judge-shopping is not "biology". Wolves were delisted by USFWS in 2020. You know that. Then the Lefties went judge-shopping and found one who ruled for them to be relisted, despite overwhelming evidence that they were recovered. Was that judge a biologist? Was he any more qualified to decide this than Laren Boebert? Could he give a good hand job?

And the cycle continues....

From: Glunt@work
11-Nov-23
Boebert has issues but the bill literally reverses political management and reinstates what the biologists put in place.

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