Israeli War
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From: Groundhunter
07-Oct-23
If I was Israel. I would clean out Hamas, and make sure, Iran could not charge a car battery, for a long time.

Hamas, has terrorized Gaza, for years. This time, the gloves are off.

From: Recurve Man
07-Oct-23
Bet Biden won’t send them billions of dollars.

From: Will tell
07-Oct-23
The United States has a huge stash of weapons in Israeli. All he has to do is give them permission to use them.

From: Glunt@work
07-Oct-23
"Bet Biden won’t send them billions of dollars."

Well, we let Iran have $6 billion and that's who sends Hamas weapons. Will we up our support for Isreal? Not sure but one way or another, we are involved.

From: RK
07-Oct-23
Trump gets the Abraham Accords

Biden gets a war.

From: Glunt@work
07-Oct-23
Long lasting peace is usually bought by a complete victory.

From: Groundhunter
07-Oct-23
Until Iran is taken care of, it won't change

From: Vaquero 45
07-Oct-23
Deuteronomy 20 : 3 n 4 .....

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
Biden Democrats have blood on their hands. Oh they will deny it…but ITS THEIR POLICY FACILITATING THIS ATTACK; thanks Democrats. ——- The Biden administration has contributed both to the notion that Hamas was a legitimate Middle East player, and to the perception that the U.S. was backing away from its traditional support for Israel - to the delight of Hamas - based on the following inexplicable policies:

1) In February Secretary of State Blinken had bragged that not only had the Biden administration resumed massive aid to the PLA cancelled by Trump, but cumulatively had transferred $1 billion - even as Palestinian authorities bragged that they would continue to pay bounties to the families of “martyrs” (i.e., those killed while conducting terrorists attacks against Israel).

And millions of American dollars also went into Gaza, run by Hamas - despite the Biden administration’s efforts to keep mostly quiet the resumption of such inexplicable support. In this regard, note the current shameful State-Department (“U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs”) website news release that was posted after today’s attack. It ended with this quite embarrassing, morally equivalent admonition:

“We urged all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”

"All sides?" "Refrain from retaliatory attacks?”

So Israel is the moral equivalent of terrorists executing civilians and brutalizing their corpses? And the IDF then is not supposed to retaliate against these killers?

This Biden State Department insanity cannot stand. So expect some apparatchik to take down this Munich-like posting as soon as possible.

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
Biden Democrats have blood on their hands. Oh they will deny it…but ITS THEIR POLICY FACILITATING THIS ATTACK; thanks Democrats. ——- The Biden administration has contributed both to the notion that Hamas was a legitimate Middle East player, and to the perception that the U.S. was backing away from its traditional support for Israel - to the delight of Hamas - based on the following inexplicable policies:

1) In February Secretary of State Blinken had bragged that not only had the Biden administration resumed massive aid to the PLA cancelled by Trump, but cumulatively had transferred $1 billion - even as Palestinian authorities bragged that they would continue to pay bounties to the families of “martyrs” (i.e., those killed while conducting terrorists attacks against Israel).

And millions of American dollars also went into Gaza, run by Hamas - despite the Biden administration’s efforts to keep mostly quiet the resumption of such inexplicable support. In this regard, note the current shameful State-Department (“U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs”) website news release that was posted after today’s attack. It ended with this quite embarrassing, morally equivalent admonition:

“We urged all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”

"All sides?" "Refrain from retaliatory attacks?”

So Israel is the moral equivalent of terrorists executing civilians and brutalizing their corpses? And the IDF then is not supposed to retaliate against these killers?

This Biden State Department insanity cannot stand. So expect some apparatchik to take down this Munich-like posting as soon as possible.

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
Yeah, there is more;

2) The Biden administration had recently released some $6 billion to Iran through a prison swap deal that saw South Korea hand over embargoed Iranian money to Qatar - despite Tehran’s increased anti-Israeli rhetoric and its loud brag about the escalation. We should assume money for rockets (Hamas claims they have launched 5,000, and have received 100,000 of them via the Damascus airport) and weapons in general for Hamas were supplied by Iran, which again is likely the chief catalyst for this surprise attack.

3) Almost immediately, after his inauguration Biden mobilized to resume the bankrupt Iran deal. And in unhinged fashion he appointed the anti-Israeli bigot, pro-Iranian journalist Robert Malley as America’s chief negotiator. Note that Malley is now under FBI investigation for security breaches, involving disclosing classified U.S. documents and also for allegedly helping pro-Iranian activists and propagandists land influential billets inside the U.S. government.

In short, there was a general Hamas and Iranian perception that the Biden administration had resumed the discredited Obama madness of empowering Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas. This discredited agenda was to “balance” the power of Israel and the moderate Arab Gulf governments to achieve “creative tension”, exacerbated by Biden’s loathing of the government of Benjamín Netanyahu (who has been snubbed by Biden and never invited for an official visit).

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
Double post

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
What has this liberal Democrat agenda got us;

Upon the ascension of Biden and his woke military agendas, we saw the following:

the complete humiliation of the U.S. in Kabul in its most shameful flight in 50 years and greatest abandonment of equipment in its history;

followed by Vladimir Putin’s opportunistic invasion of Ukraine;

followed by China’s new belligerence and escalating threats to Taiwan;

followed by Turkey’s new de facto alliance with Russia and recent drone encounter with the U.S. air force in Syria;

followed by the Hamas/Iranian inspired attack on Israel - with more to come unfortunately.

And will Biden finally get the message from the attacks on the Ukraine and Israeli borders, that borders matter and we too are being invaded, with the encouragement of the Mexican government and to the advantage of the cartels whose fentanyl exports kills 100,000 Americans a year?

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
But but what about that bad man Trump.

Well at least we didn’t have a war on the Mexican border that will cost us trillions over the next decade.

We didn’t have a war in Ukraine…or now the middle east…in fact we had a peace treaty in the middle east under Trump.

We didn’t have China eating our lunch….and we didnt have massive crime and inflation sucking the life out of us.

The policy changes initiated by Biden Democrats are not only wrecking the US…but the world.

Good job Democrat voters…

From: Ben
07-Oct-23
Beendare, you are correct on all accounts except we will soon be attacked here in the U.S. with all the arms and fighters coming across the southern border unchecked. Iran now has 6 billion dollars to fund terrorists to do a number on us.

From: Mint
07-Oct-23
They have been dragging dead civilians through the streets and wiping out whole families including the women and children. By tomorrow Biden and the Dems will call on Israel to use restraint in their response.

From: DConcrete
07-Oct-23
Hold my beer:

But trump facilitated January 6th insurrection. He paid off a porn star. And he’s been indicted more times than I can count. And now he’s been charged with fraud in business. He evaded the draft. And he’s filed bankruptcy.

Additionally, he’s divorced. He’s a moral train wreck. And oh yeah, Lauren Boebert is getting divorced and Matt Gaetz paid off an under aged prostitute.

And oh yeah, January 6th.

I forgot about that one.

Did I miss any?

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
Mint, too late…the Biden admin has already done that…..seriously…you can’t make up a scenario worse than this Dem admin has created.

But the Dem excuse makers are so brainwashed byTDS and MAGA is bad…they can’t see their party has put a serious hurt on the world in 2 1/2 years.

.

From: HDE
07-Oct-23
biden doesn't have ties to Isreal like Ukraine.

Israel won't see any financial aid. The weapons in place weren't from Puddin' Head. He arms terrorists though...

From: drycreek
07-Oct-23
DClncrete, that’s all you got ? Don’t bring a damn cap gun to a gun fight. You left out Hunter’s and Joe’s twenty shell companies, the gun and dope charges and Bob Menendez must have just slipped your mind. Sheesh !

From: DConcrete
07-Oct-23
Me thinks my sarcasm slipped passed you.

From: Beendare
07-Oct-23
Again the brainwashed just made my point , thanks.

When terrorists are dragging Israeli’s bodies through their streets…pat yourself on the back.

From: DConcrete
08-Oct-23
Jesus.

From: Beendare
08-Oct-23
Yeah, its ugly and probably going to get a lot worse.

Iran and Hezbolah just cheered the attack…the same folks Biden has been cozying up to, removing sanctions…and just floated them $6 billion for hostages right?

The Biden admin has given Israel the cold shoulder while recognizing the historical bad actors. Now those bad actors are acting on their threats and its Democrat policy at the root of it. Too late to say- Oops. ..connect the dots starting right after Bidens inauguration to see the policy decisions that started this catastrophe.

Prayers sent to all of the families affected by this mess…including the inevitable US servicemen.

08-Oct-23
Some pretty horrible reports and images coming out. You have to have some really deeply entrenched hatred to gun down random women and children and then desecrate their bodies.

And we have people in our very own congress that defend these people.

08-Oct-23
Dconcrete was playing the role of a liberal. He was being sarcastic.

And shockingly most of the Jewish population in the US vote Democrat. Figure that one out.

08-Oct-23
"Good job Democrat voters…

israel should take solace in knowing that biden never inflated a property value in order to get a loan.

From: fuzzy
08-Oct-23
Are they using bows?

From: Grey Ghost
08-Oct-23
Bruce, exactly who are you ranting to? Are the one or two members here, who voted for Biden, really in your head that much? Or, do you just like preaching to choir? Don't you have any hunting to do?

Matt

From: Will tell
08-Oct-23
Aid to Israel, 2016 38 billion dollars. Since then add another 1.2 billion and 3.8 billion approved by Congress. They should be ready.

From: Screwball
08-Oct-23
How does the timing of this attack benefit Russia in the Ukraine etc. Smoke and mirrors! Look behind the curtain folks.

From: ahunter76
08-Oct-23
If Jan 6th had actually been a real threat to our government (It was not) & wiped out half the politicians it would not be equal to 1% of what Biden & his cronies have done to America. With our open border we have "no idea" how many & where the real enemies are. That will be real to them when they are attacked at home. We need a lightening strike from above to take out the real corrupt enemies in office.

From: Zbone
08-Oct-23
News now reporting aver 400 Israelis dead and over 2,000 injured... They will not take this lightly...

From: RK
08-Oct-23
Zbone. 600 dead. Still counting. I have not heard numbers on captured but evidently a fair number of Americans have been captured

From: Michael
08-Oct-23
“And shockingly most of the Jewish population in the US vote Democrat. Figure that one out.”

One can say the sane thing about the black vote in this country.

From: RK
08-Oct-23
I hope the Israelis can put an end to those evil people.

08-Oct-23
I think more than 20,000 were killed in the last Israeli war

From: DanaC
08-Oct-23
Israel needs to remove Hamas from political power in Gaza. Hamas has shown that their only 'leadership skills' lie in hatred and attack.

From: Groundhunter
08-Oct-23
They need to take over Gaza. They need to hit Iran, and all their nuclear facilities. They either end this threat now, or they will never get rid of the animals. We now got cells all over our country, due to the no security on our own border. Also the Republucans better get their head out of their ass, elect a speaker and move on. They act like 10 year Olds. All this while, China keeps building the greatest military force in numbers, not having to get involved. When the time is right China will move. I think the leadership of our country is pathetic. I would like to know how many of Hamas weapons, were.filtered in, from our weapon dump in Afghanistan. I listened to the Israel ambassador this morning, he politely told the anti Jewish UN, to go f... themselves

From: Goelk
08-Oct-23
Like this wouldnt happen under Trump watch. Right give me a break.

From: Groundhunter
08-Oct-23
Well, this did not happen under Trump. Go vote for Joe again, the guy does not even know what door to use.

From: Recurve Man
08-Oct-23

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From: Jeff Durnell
08-Oct-23
NONE of this happened under Trump. And 'this' is steadily worsening. Not accidents. Not incompetence. This is their plan in action, and it's not over. When they flat out tell you who they are and what they want... believe them. FJB and each and every one of his supporters.

08-Oct-23
Thank you for the summary Bruce(beendare)! It’s a horrible thing that is going on and will soon affect us all.

I’m sure the indoctrinated, leftist liberals on bowsite are trying to figure out how to counter the truth you are speaking. The best Grey Ghost could come up with is, why are you saying it, don’t you have hunting to do? Like him and bigeasy, KSflatlander, soccermom, etc don’t spend hours writing up on every single non hunting related thread on bowsite, and take the wrong side on every issue.

Also, watch how mainstream western news is careful to not call Hamas terrorists and will keep repeating that Israel has declared war, like they started this whole thing?! The news will shift this into an overreaction by Israel and not feature the horrific acts of violence that are being perpetrated by the terrorists Hamas, torture, rape, child murders etc.

08-Oct-23
"Like this wouldnt happen under Trump watch. Right give me a break."

then why didnt it happen under trump? coincidence? poor timing? russian collusion?

From: HDE
08-Oct-23
^^^ because he had a Jan 6 uprising to plan.

VINDICATION!!

From: Jeff Durnell
08-Oct-23
That wasn't a real uprising, and President Trump didn't plan it.

They ain't seen nothin yet.

From: BC
08-Oct-23
Mike U, it's already happening in the media. Pictures and stories now are leaning heavily toward how much Hamas is suffering under Israel's bombing.

From: ryanrc
08-Oct-23
I am guessing Isreal takes the gloves off on this one. I can see them stopping at nothing to eradicate Hamas entirely, regardless of the country they might be located.

From: Zbone
08-Oct-23
Yeah, I agree with ryanrc, and it ain't gonna be pretty...

From: KSflatlander
08-Oct-23
Hamas are terrorists who target civilians. Light’em up.

From: scentman
08-Oct-23
This is one of the first threads I have read in a long time where we agree on something... yes evil is evil and must be dealt with severely or they keep killing because of pure hate.

08-Oct-23
And the Liberals love Iran and just gave them our tax dollars.

09-Oct-23
Crush Hamas once and for all, leave no doubt…Any other terrorist want to jump in, same goes! Iran next…

From: Glunt@work
09-Oct-23
That place is a mess. It is doomed to be in poverty being ran by terrorists and without a workable relationship with Israel for import, export and travel. The history there makes that highly unlikely.

If Israel cleans out Hamas, there will be another faction more than willing to pick up where they ended and plenty of outsiders willing to support them.

And all in a piece of desert smaller than the counties most us live in.

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
"And the Liberals love Iran and just gave them our tax dollars. "

Care to cite any evidence of this? If you're referring to the $6 billion, it was *their* money, it is (still) being held in a foreign bank, and they can only spend it on *humanitarian* needs, subject to US approval.

(It will be interesting to see how much humanitarian aid they offer to the civilians affected by this war. On either side.)

09-Oct-23
" If you're referring to the $6 billion, it was *their* money, it is (still) being held in a foreign bank, and they can only spend it on *humanitarian* needs, subject to US approval."

do you understand the concept of fungibility?

From: Catscratch
09-Oct-23
Of course Iran wouldn't shift funds around and make it look like something it's not. It's not like they said they would spend the money however the hell they wanted to anyway! They're completely trustworthy. Plus the impression we give to them that we are weak because we back down to terrorist threats probably has nothing to do with Iran's likely funding of Hamas and escalation of a war. We give up terrorists to Russia, then give Iran their money back. They're obviously shaking in their shoes at our power!

I'm sure none of those weapons we shipped to Ukraine or left in Afghanistan has made it to the wrong hands. Silly to think that might have happened, and in some way strengthened Hamas and their backers into striking out against Israel. This whole thing is sad/ugly, and it's on our hands.

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
Cat, do you have ANY evidence that those weapons were launched against Israel? Any at all?

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
" do you understand the concept of fungibility? "

Not sure, but I suspect some of you are eating the wrong mushrooms >;-)

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1. And it matters where the weapons came from that were used to attack Israel? A little to much on the edge for covering for Iran I think I hope that was not your intent?

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
BB1, no, I asked for _proof_ of a wild-arse statement. (The kind so many here like to pull out of their six-holes with zero evidence.)

IF it is *proven* that Iran is supplying Hamas with missiles, THEN there should be consequences. But 'I think' and 'maybe' and 'could be' are not proof. Just crap.

From: RonP
09-Oct-23
"If you're referring to the $6 billion, it was *their* money, it is (still) being held in a foreign bank, and they can only spend it on *humanitarian* needs, subject to US approval."

I hope you do not seriously believe this and that access to these funds played no role in the timing of the terrorist attacks and this war.

From: Catscratch
09-Oct-23
"Cat, do you have ANY evidence that those weapons were launched against Israel? Any at all?"

Absolutely not, I have zero evidence. I don't even remember claiming I had evidence. I thought my post was so obviously sarcastic and speculative that no-one would even question that I had evidence. I read a lot of articles over the weekend that made the same claims, even one in which a Congresswoman made the same claims. Because none of those provided evidence or proof I read them as speculation also, and therefore won't link them. You may have faith that Iran and Hamas always play by our rules, I however don't share that faith.

From: Mint
09-Oct-23
How are Dems still supporting the palestinians after they overwhelmingly voted in Hamas as the ruling party in Gaza? Why did Biden unfreeze 1 billion in aid Trump had frozen? They are no different than the nazis or isis. Do you see the videos on twitter? Everyday palestinians cheering and spitting on a dead woman. Beheading soldiers, raping and killing children. There were pro palestinians marches in the USA! Why are we letting terrorist supporters to immigrate to our country.

How come Barack Obama hasn't condemned the attacks yet? Totally disgusting.

From: soccern23ny
09-Oct-23
The irony of people on the FAR right hating biden/current adim for not doing enough for isreal and the Jews, yet would be the first people to deny the holocaust happened. Makes your head spin.

And in case your russian panties are still in a twist.... we have given roughly 158billion in aid to isreal. 3.8 billion for 2023.

I really have no skin in this... its zealots on both sides using the common man to further their political prowress. That sand has been fought over tic for tac for 3000 years. I just really hate the blatant lies/ fake information and hypocrisy.

From: RK
09-Oct-23
"I just really hate the blatant lies/fake information and hypocrisy"

If that's so quit reading your posts.

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1 I know what to get you now for Christmas. An Iranian flag ????

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
"You may have faith that Iran and Hamas always play by our rules, I however don't share that faith. "

I have none either, BUT I don't blow speculation out my ass.

"TB1 I know what to get you now for Christmas. An Iranian flag ???? "

There's nothing I'd like more than to see the religious-fascist government of Iran pulled down. BUT, they are masters of pushing in small amounts so as to calibrate exactly what they can get away with. IF they are 'behind' the Hamas attack, I hope it bites them back, hard. But, PROOF, dammit. Not idle speculation.

From: SteveB
09-Oct-23
Did you see the young women being taken hostage? Getting out of the cars with the bottoms of their pants soaked brown from stomach bile.....I can't imagine their fear. A horrid reality that we can't even imagine. My money is on Israel. My money is also on Palestine ceasing to exist.

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1. You sound like Neville Chamberlain. We all know how that worked out

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
BB1, all you do is take cheap shots from the sidelines here. Give us a fact, any fact, on any topic. Instead of insults.

It is stupid to underestimate the opposition. Israel has been doing that for years. So do many in American government regarding Iran. The Ayatollahs are playing along game, and they don't sweat election politics. THEY remember 1953.

From: Catscratch
09-Oct-23
"BUT, they are masters of pushing in small amounts so as to calibrate exactly what they can get away with.". Do you have proof of that statement or is it speculation you're blowing out of your....? :)

Your opinion on this statement (true or false): If Iran has armed and supported Hamas at all, they have supported this attack. ie - could Hamas launched an attack of this scale without the previous help from Iran?

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
True. Maybe even likely. But again, proof required.

From: Mint
09-Oct-23
Why no condemnation from Pres Barack Obama or Pres Bill Clinton? I can understand the terrorist loving American hating squad democrats but here or two of the living leaders of the Democrat party and they are silent? They should have come out quicky with unwavering support for Israel since this is a terrorist attack of the worst kind.

From: RK
09-Oct-23
Both Hamas and Hezbolah have said Iran planned the attack and supplied arms Guess we could look for others closer to the source for some proof.

From: Zbone
09-Oct-23
Was a local Cleveland news station last night talking about both sides of the so-called conflict and showed a local woman in her garb with a microphone yelling about how the Israelis have suppressed the Palestinian people for years but not one word about all the deaths of innocent civilians killed by the terrorist Hamas the past couple days... I was discussed by this left wing coverage and wish there was a way to throw this woman and others like her out of the country and send them back were they came from....

From: Hancock West
09-Oct-23
This is what happens when the US has a weak leader. They know he won't do anything.

From: Catscratch
09-Oct-23
Grin! You answered my 2nd question. What about my first question to ya?

As to your answer of my 2nd. You said it's "likely", which means you don't have proof, which means you are also blowing speculation out of your ass. Which puts you exactly in the same category as my first post (which I made obviously speculation and never claimed proof). And it means that you agree with my first post that Iran has likely supported Hamas to an extent that helped enable this attack. So why did you make this an argument if you agree?

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1 I've been giving facts. Facts about your positions

You want dialogue and banter to artificially fill your day with what you deem to be important and intellectually stimulating.

Yea I'm going to pass on that.

I try not to waste time with those that are responsible for so much of this.

But by all means carry on

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23

DanaC's embedded Photo
DanaC's embedded Photo
"TB1 I've been giving facts. Facts about your positions "

ROTFLMAO! Your *opinion* of my 'positions' derive from one thing you disagree on. But hey, go stomp off in your cowboy crocs and have a sasparilla.

From: Woodsnut
09-Oct-23
Our president can’t remember what he ate for breakfast and has let our country become weak -

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1. Got you so spun up your last post had no meaning but the highlight was the Crocs. Love em.

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1. I’m a little surprised that you are not in NYC for the pro Hamas / Palestine rally Short three hour drive to show your support for their cause

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
BB1, you could sooner hike there in your crocs. But keep on lying about me if it makes your toes tingle.

From: Zbone
09-Oct-23
I like the spurs on the Crocs...8^)))

Okay, back to seriousness - "NYC for the pro Hamas / Palestine rally"... Is this for real?

If so, where is Homeland Security and FBI when you need them to investigate these potential terrorists rather than outspoken parents at school council meetings...

From: Hancock West
09-Oct-23
BB will pound Gaza until Biden threatens to pull the purse. Within a week the mainstream media will only show suffering citizens of Gaza and all the Israeli lives lost will never be mentioned.

From: Will
09-Oct-23
Totally gross. Hopefully Israel can trounce Hamas. Incredibly sad to see the whole damn thing unfolding. Completely horrible, and just an epic lack of respect for other humans. Disgusting.

From: RK
09-Oct-23
TB1. I've told less lies about you than you have told about yourself But in spite of that dammit people still like you!!

Well it's deer season and the next run of clients starts tomorrow so it's all yours

Spin cleverly so nothing comes back to smack your pecking efforts.

09-Oct-23
Dana, Isreal hasn’t erased humas from the face of the earth due to americas new found insistence that they don’t. How can you twist reality to say isreal doesn’t take them seriously? Do you live in an alternate world?

09-Oct-23
@ Dana, looks like there is a high likely hood of them using US (main stream media link too) weapons: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/weapons-biden-left-in-afghanistan-may-have-been-used-to-butcher-innocent-civilians-after-making-it-to-hamas/ar-AA1hTi0L

https://www.firstpost.com/world/did-the-weapons-hamas-used-against-israel-come-from-ukraine-or-afghanistan-asks-us-congresswoman-13221822.html

From: TonyBear
09-Oct-23
I have a brother in law who was in the military back in 73 when a similar situation was present. As he recalls felt like it was the start of WWIII.

About 5% of the Israeli population is mobilized, schools and day care closed indefinitely. HAMAS will use the captured civilians as pawns, no doubt Iran is backing them and Russia almost always backs Iran. Any HAMAS Palestinian causalities will include skewed statistics, given the fact that a lot of the missiles fired fall short and land in the GAZA strip, killing their own people. Tricky situation, but one thing is sure the current US Administration will likely screw it up somehow, just like everything else. Like my wife told me Sunday, you need to stop watching the news and get into the woods. Sorry but there is very little the average American can do right now, except spread the word, support the non-profits proving assistance, and pray.

From: DanaC
09-Oct-23
"How can you twist reality to say isreal doesn’t take them seriously? "

Where the hell did I say that? Are you all having a context to see who can take my words most out of context?

From: wild1
09-Oct-23
Thankfully there are only a couple of stupid people on this thread (TB1). Trump might not be Mr. Congeniality, but our southern border was reasonably secure, inflation was completely in check, our military was ready (instead of DEI), Russia was not in Ukraine, and Hamas et al were not willing to operate on a large scale. These are facts. I hope Israel stops being too decent, takes the gloves off and and eliminates these sub-humans once and for all.

From: Catscratch
09-Oct-23
Dana, I made a post that was speculation and sarcasm and you called me out asking for proof (a statement that wasn't geared towards you but you took it upon yourself to start dialog). I gave you the lowdown on my speculation and was 100% clean about it with you. I answered everything you asked me to with 100% transparency.

Then you gave a pompous response that YOU don't blow stuff out of your ass.

You then made a statement that you don't seem to want to prove when asked directly to do so, and it very much appears that you actually do blow stuff out of your ass exactly the same as I do.

Let me ask you another question; Should I ever take you seriously? I answered your questions but you refuse to answer mine in return? Maybe I should be asking myself why I would try to engage in discussion with someone who refuses to return in kind? To be honest I would rather have a good dialog with you but if you aren't willing then I understand.

From: scentman
09-Oct-23
TonyBear, research the NGO's before supporting them... you would be surprised how many are on the dole.

From: Zbone
09-Oct-23
Unfortunately it's going to take another terrorist attach here on US soil which the terrorists entered from the open border to finally close the borders, too many democrats have forgotten 911 and these young left wing whacko millennials weren't born yet or too young to remember... How long was it we didn't hear about gun control after 911, and when we did start hearing again is about the time these whackos began to spew their craziness...

From: jjs
09-Oct-23
Nothing to worry about, the New Jerusalem will be 1500 sq miles and the world Holy City, non-believers will not enter.

From: Bowbender
09-Oct-23
SoccerMom

" I just really hate the blatant lies/ fake information and hypocrisy."

Well.....you can always dump the democrat party like RR did.

09-Oct-23
“ BB1, all you do is take cheap shots from the sidelines here. Give us a fact, any fact, on any topic. Instead of insults. It is stupid to underestimate the opposition. Israel has been doing that for years. So do many in American government regarding Iran.”

From one of your above posts. Copy and pasted.

From: Beendare
09-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
Matt, chastising me for my rant….isn’t that typical of Democrat arrogance and hypocricy.

Not a single Democrat has admitted…..”We effed up”….including the many excuse makers here. DEMOCRATS OWN THIS…but they are too hypocritical to admit it…they would rather not be reminded of the policy mistakes…calling my facts out as “ Rants”

Calling out my rants- Ha, thats a typical liberal tactic- never admit a mistake, lie, call out the messenger…and ignore the facts. I can make another 10 posts citing NYT articles praising Bidens reversal of Trump policy with the Palestinians and Iran, letting Palestinian's into his circle of influence, comments by Democrat Squad members, possible sharing of secret Israeli intelligence reports….

Coming out now saying we support Israel is not only too little too late….its a ploy so that folks dont examine the facts of the situation.

More from the Democrats;

Blinken goes so far to delete tweets that called for no retaliation.

The Squad- all members of the Dem party- have been running interference for these Palestinian orgs for along time…now we have demonstrations in NYC making excuses for this terrorism.

Multiple Harvard student orgs came out in support of Hamas ( probably young MAGA folks eh Matt?)

Link is to tablet magazine, Americas betrayal of Israel

Read it and learn something…like;

In 2005 Israel opened up the Gaza strip to democratic elections and upon winning the radical Palestinians shut down future elections and took control.

From: Stix
09-Oct-23
Love the Deuteronomy verse Vaquero. Thanks for posting.

From: Elkpacker
09-Oct-23
simple turn Isreal loose on Jamas. they cease to exsist.

From: Glunt@work
09-Oct-23

Glunt@work's embedded Photo
Glunt@work's embedded Photo
Israel can wipe out Hamas in Gaza. It won't fix the divide between Palistinians and Iraelis and Iran will still be doing what they do for whatever group is next.

A friends dad was in the oil business and worked in Iran a lot before the revolution. They would usually go on a ski trip near Tehran at Christmas. She was a little kid but remembers loving it there.

10-Oct-23
Biden and Obama emboldened Iran, both hate America.

From: Will tell
10-Oct-23
They’ve been fighting over there for a couple thousand years. American politics doesn’t start or stop those terrorist from committing attacks. Bad things happen in the world and Terrorist commit Murder, Rape, and Torture. Who’s President has nothing to do with it. Believe this, after Trump and Biden are both dead and gone the world will still have Terrorist doing crimes against humanity.

From: Canepole
10-Oct-23
Will tell, I'm not sure if you remember the difference in President Carter and incoming President Reagan when it came to our American hostages in Iran? President Trump and his "foreign policies" seemed like they kept us and our allies safe against the likes of N. Korea, China, Russia, and all the Middle East. I know some folks don't particularly care for President Trump (personally I think he's an azzhole) but what bullies and even terrorist fear are bigger bullies and meaner terrorist. That's one of the reasons I'm going to vote for him again.

From: HDE
10-Oct-23
"They’ve been fighting over there for a couple thousand years."

Been longer than that. It's been since 40 yrs after the exodus.

From: Beendare
10-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
The US president doesn’t matter….did someone really say that?

Anyone claiming that is simply uninformed and not getting the facts.

One of the first things Biden did was reverse the Trump policy on Iran and the Palestinians. Search it, easy to verify.

Did you know the Iranian folks Biden and Blinken were cozying up to were convicted of treason- passing on US secrets? Who gave them those secrets? It wasn’t conservative Republicans. Again its at my link but easy to verify.

Did you know that Bidens hasty withdrawal in Afghanistan leaving billions in weapons and equipment has ended up in Hamas and other terrorist hands?

With a little research, Its easy to connect the dots on how the Biden admin has mismanaged policy decisions and trusted the wrong people.

Heres a partial recap at my link on how bad the Biden admin screwed the pooch….after knowing the facts, no one can say the US president doesn’t matter.

Or maybe you are just results based; Then just look at whats going on in Afghanistan, Ukraine and Israel from the last Administration to Biden. Its massive policy failure.

From: Beendare
10-Oct-23
Just a thought;

The Democrats want to take away our guns…..

Coincidently, its the same Squad of Democrat politicos sympathizing with Hamas…and the Biden admin. The same admin that has let millions of undocumented folks invade our country- who knows how many terrorists came in?

This is exactly why our founding fathers wanted good citizens to own guns.

Lets hope voters see the implication of where the Democrat party wants to take us….

From: 70lbDraw
10-Oct-23

70lbDraw's Link
“The same admin that has let millions of undocumented folks invade our country- who knows how many terrorists came in?”

Here’s the answer to your question as of 2021. Of course, certain individuals here will tell you it’s misinformation, or that it’s due to trumps policies. Remember, Trump wants to destroy America and democracy.

10-Oct-23
Beendare, there is to many stupid people who will continue to vote for these idiots …

From: Beendare
10-Oct-23
The president doesn’t matter eh?

Todays headline; Thousands of 'special interest aliens' from Middle East countries stopped at southern border since 2021: data There have also been over 1.5 million 'gotaways' under the Biden administration.

And you excuse makers would rather call me out- than admit Biden and the Democrats are destroying our country. Sad.

10-Oct-23
I’m more concerned with what terrorist shoe is about to drop.

In the past every time we turned gaze from the horizon. And were so focused on internal battles. We got hit by a devastating punch from outside.

Here we are again. How many terror cells walked across the border and are planning right now.

Buses, boats, malls, trains. Concerts. All very soft targets. We are still taking our shoes off at airports and they are on to the next idea.

From: KY EyeBow
10-Oct-23
And today Joebama tells us they know that Hamas is holding Americans hostage.................................... WT@!!!!!!!!!

From: soccern23ny
10-Oct-23
What's the over/under on Hamas having gotten Intel on the Israelis from trumps loose top secret docs scattered about his resort and/or from his blabber mouth?

I'd be willing to bet yes

10-Oct-23

'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo
'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo

From: 70lbDraw
10-Oct-23
“What's the over/under on Hamas having gotten Intel on the Israelis from trumps loose top secret docs scattered about his resort and/or from his blabber mouth? I'd be willing to bet yes”

Lol! What did I tell you?!?!

I’m sure China joes loose documents weren’t at all a compromise!

“And you excuse makers would rather call me out- than admit Biden and the Democrats are destroying our country. Sad.”

Definitely sad…and definitely spot on!! It seriously boggles the mind.

From: BowSniper
10-Oct-23
I like Israel laying total seige to Gaza. No food or water or electricity or medical help coming from the Israeli side anymore.

Let the Arab countries take care of "Palestine" now on. Egypt has a border with Gaza, its their problem now.

And let's see if the next Iranian cargo ship carrying weapons to Gaza feels like testing out the new Gerald Ford (... and hopefully the Ford doesn't fall down. Like it's namesake ??)

From: Beendare
10-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
Robert Malley from the Obama and Biden admin- you wont know about him watching CNN and MSNBC See link The Biden administration’s now-suspended Iran envoy Robert Malley helped to fund, support, and direct an Iranian intelligence operation designed to influence the United States and allied governments, according to a trove of purloined Iranian government emails.

They showed that Malley had helped to infiltrate an Iranian agent of influence named Ariane Tabatabai into some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government—first at the State Department and now the Pentagon, where she has been serving as chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations, Christopher Maier.

Much More on how Obama and then Biden had this guy in a sensitive position at link

From: Jack Harris
10-Oct-23
How much does Russia stand to gain by all this? They are aligned with Iran on many things. Now it will be “Ukraine who?” I always felt Carter would forever be worst POTUS in history - not based on the person (he was a gentleman) but just based on policy. Biden is is so far worse - immeasurably worse I cannot even quantify. What he did to us domestically and economically was bad enough - but geopolitically, starting with Afghanistan has to be criminal. Not to mention - the millions he let into our country unchecked and illegally before he decided “we need a wall”. Folks be very careful in out big cities - there are terror cells in most if not all and they just got stronger since Biden let them across the border. Was that FEMA alert last week just a coincidence? Hmmmmmm

From: spike78
10-Oct-23
Lol you guys are still calling Biden and the Dems idiots. One day it will sink in that this is ALL a big game plan and Biden ain’t even close to running the show. Does it not trouble anyone that the Dems aren’t even debating the presidency? When have you ever seen that happen? Can’t have an election when it’s WWIII.

From: ryanrc
10-Oct-23
I just read an article quoting a Hamas leader who said they didn't expect to have as much "success " as they had and expected to kidnap some people for exchanges. But, were surprised by how far they got without resistance. I wonder if they are now regretting that. It is interesting to me how things unfold sometimes. My guess is it was supposed to be the usual grab some people and extort money and prisoners, but now they really stepped in it.

From: Glunt@work
11-Oct-23
You would think in a country like Israel surrounded by enemies and constantly under attack that an armed citizenry would be the norm. Unfortunately, it's very restrictive.

The government is loosening restrictions this week to increase private ownership. That's good but like allowing life vest ownership a week after the boat sinks.

From: Zbone
11-Oct-23
Has anyone heard or know if Egypt is vetting these Palestinians refugees for officials or terrorists of Hamas exiting Gaza trying to escape from the pounding of Israeli military and for what they are about to receive?

From: shade mt
11-Oct-23
Jeff Durnell nailed it....."you aint seen nothing yet".....

Biden is a total disaster....right down to falling off his bicycle. Those of you that can't see that yet are in for a very rough ride....your not only hurting everyone else......your hurting yourself, and to blind to see it.

From: 2Wild Bill
11-Oct-23
DanaC,

"It is stupid to underestimate the opposition. Israel has been doing that for years." - Dana C ,10/9/2023

"Where the hell did I say that? ("How can you twist reality to say isreal doesn’t take them seriously? ") Are you all having a context(contest?) to see who can take my words most out of context?"

Are you aware of the context of "underestimate" to include not taking seriously?

From: Zbone
11-Oct-23
Israeli military is now returning fire on three fronts, Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria... This ain't good... U.S. delivered critically needed munitions and military equipment to Israel today, but now with three fronts am afraid our military is going on get involved...

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23
Bill, yes, BUT, I did not say they didn't 'take them seriously'. In spite of the obviously serious nature of the situation theIsraelis underestimated Hamas's suicidal hatred, their military preparations, their willingness to use those weapons. I did not 'twist reality', my words were twisted to put something entirely different in my mouth. I'll call bullshit on that sophomoric debating crap all day long.

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-23
Dana, it sounds like you are "blowing speculation out of your ass". You got documentation that quotes Israel's military risk assessments and how seriously they are taking them?

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23

DanaC's Link
Cat, read the news - the Israelis are keenly aware that their intel agencies have screwed up. A simple google search will give you a few starting points. Pick a half dozen.

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-23
Dana, I don't disagree that they dropped the ball on this one. I think it's obvious they got caught with their pants down. This is your statement that I was referring to; "It is stupid to underestimate the opposition. Israel has been doing that for years.". If you do another google search "how good is Israeli intelligence" you'll find it's mostly considered top notch and has been for a very long time. Which would indicate that they have not been underestimating the opposition for years.

That was a good link but not to the point.

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23
Up until this attack, it WAS 'considered top notch.' Now? Not so much. This attack wasn't planned overnight. So, I hold by my original statement.

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-23
Ok, I respect that. Now prove it. Link data that shows Israeli intelligence has been underestimating their enemies for years. I agree that this attack may have taken a couple of years to plan (or a couple of months, I doubt reports from Hamas leaders are all that accurate), but I don't agree that screwing this one particular event up proves Israel has been underestimating their opposition for a long time. It seems that they are under constant threat of militant attack and they've done a damn good job of stopping most of them. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree that Israel no longer has good intelligence agencies.

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23
" Now prove it. Link data..."

The *fact* that the attacks were so devastating is 'proof' enough, I think. Do you want body counts?

From: 2Wild Bill
11-Oct-23
Seriously and underestimating for years are only different when DanaC says so, got it.

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23
every dictionary published says they're different. I chose exactly the word(s) that expressed what I meant. Sorry the subtle difference is lost on you.

Still in 10th grade, Bill?

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23

DanaC's embedded Photo
DanaC's embedded Photo

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-23
The question; "Link data that shows Israeli intelligence has been underestimating their enemies for years."

For the 3rd time... I agree they dropped the ball on this one! No, I don't want body counts as that has absolutely nothing to do with my question. We agree on this event. I want you to back up your claim that Israeli intelligence has been lacking for years. Removing this sinlge event, back up your claim that Israeli intelligence has NOT been top notch for a long time. Or just say you are unwilling to answer it so we can move on.

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23
Your 'question' is too vague to 'answer'.

" I agree they dropped the ball on this one! "

Aye, but this is the BIG ONE that has gotten a thousand people killed. Not my job to rate every other thing they've done. This one is going to see heads roll at some high levels, I suspect.

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-23
Aye, so you aren't going to attempt to back your claim that Israel has been underestimating their enemies for years. You did rate them but now you're saying that's not your job. Got it.

You know I wouldn't have given all this a second thought if you hadn't call me out earlier and proclaimed that YOU yourself don't spew stuff out of your ass. I've given you ample opportunities to prove your claim, or to admit you actually do sometimes spew out of your ass. You've given your answer several times now.

From: Bowbender
11-Oct-23
Moussad needs to be right 100 out of 100 times. Hamas only needs to be right once. Maybe something else to consider, with the exception of 4 years in the last what, 15 years, Israel's been kept on a short leash.

From: BC
11-Oct-23
Israel will kill these bastards no matter how long it takes. When these animals murdered their athletes at the Munich Olympics they hunted them down over the next 20 years. They don’t forget.

From: DanaC
11-Oct-23
Cat, I rated them on ONE issue - this war, and their failure to prepare for it. Spew on.

From: Beendare
11-Oct-23
The world has changed overnight.

The rest of us now realize the death to Israel mantra is no joke. Polarized is putting it mildly.

There are radical factions in our own country celebrating the beheadings. Biden and Democrat leaders refuse to speak out against these factions in their own party. Millions of passive Muslims and supposed passive Iranians just stand by mute. How do we know whether they reject this death to Jews ideology….or secretly applaud it?

We have elected legislators-all Democrats- here in the US on the side of these barbarians. Are they in your political party?

We have been coexisting with these people here in the US…is that possible now?

Op ed in WSJ by a Jewish student…..its an eye opener. How can he be expected to share a dorm with people sanctioning the brutal slaughter of his people. Why is Harvard not doing something?

From: 4nolz@work
11-Oct-23
If they were beheading puppies the Democrats would be more outraged than beheading Jewish babies.

From: soccern23ny
11-Oct-23
The reality is each side would be okay with the genocidal removal of the other side. It's been this way for some time. They've been killing each other on and off for the past 100+ years. Arguing about who's holy land it "rightfully" is.

So to support either side is to support genocide.

From: 70lbDraw
11-Oct-23
They’re killing Americans over there as well. Why aren’t we doing anything about that either?

From: soccern23ny
11-Oct-23
70lb... because we dont just bomb countries because a handful of americans were caught in a cross fire from localized conflict. Most are probably dual citizens as well. Americans are killed overseas in ever country it's a risk you take traveling abroad. If the country your going to has men armed with machine guns at the airport when you land than you chose to accept the risks of traveling/ living in that country.

Sure we provide extra resources and try to extract them but what the usa can offer to citizens abroad has realistic limits

From: TonyBear
11-Oct-23
Am I the only one here who remembers the Clinton parameters from 2000? Israel would be basically giving everything to Palestine that they ever wanted, in the end it appeared to me the leader in Palestine just wanted the fight to go on.

Told me all I never needed to know about those terrorists. It's not a relative to either side debate, Palestine is the bad player and that is about all there is to it.

From: bigeasygator
11-Oct-23
Aye, so you aren't going to attempt to back your claim that Israel has been underestimating their enemies for years.

In some ways, you could make the argument that their failure was actually an overestimation of the enemy. Hamas essentially went back to the Stone Age to plan this attack. Sophisticated technology to do surveillance is essentially meaningless if the other side is going dark.

They seem to have failed in other ways as well, including underestimating Hamas' intentions in Gaza, ignoring warnings from sources that something was in the works there, and being more focused on security around the West Bank.

From: Catscratch
11-Oct-23
Big, there was obviously a failure on multiple fronts. Israeli intelligence has notoriously had what's considered an elite undercover program which would negate technology.

I'm just wondering out loud here, talking to hear my head rattle type of thing. No proof or evidence so don't ask. But have any of you considered the idea that Israel knew this attack was going to happen but chose not to stop it so that they would have an excuse to counter attack with excessive force? I agree with soccer that both sides would relish the chance at wiping the other out. Hamas doesn't need an excuse but Israel does. Israel knows that their ally's wouldn't condone unprovoked excessive force. It kind of adds up when you consider the generational hatred they have for each other and the fact that Israel's intelligence is normally much better than this.

From: Beendare
11-Oct-23
70# comment, “ They’re killing Americans over there as well. Why aren’t we doing anything about that either?”

More Americans dead than were held ransom fir the $6billion. So many questions:

Would a Conservative US president leave Americans stranded as Biden has in Afghanistan and Israel currently? My guess is no.

One thing is for sure: the hostage taking will increase when the Bidens of the world capitulate to these terrorists.

Then: will some pacifist Gazans be stuck in the middle? Yep… And Israel will get blamed by the weak minded but Hamas was willing to sacrifice innocents in their rampage.

From: Rut-N-Strut
11-Oct-23
We only support Israel period.

From: Rut-N-Strut
11-Oct-23
Israel allows Jews, Christian’s and even Muslims to live within the only democratic nation in the Middle East. Hamas was killing and raping their own men, women and children.

From: Jeff Durnell
11-Oct-23
"Does it not trouble anyone that the Dems aren’t even debating the presidency? When have you ever seen that happen? Can’t have an election when it’s WWIII."

It's becomming their common practice. They didn't debate it or campaign last time... Xiden couldn't get a dozen supporters to show up, and Trump had tens of thousands of rally attendees in towns with a fraction of that as their total population... yet Xiden 'won' with a record number of ballots(not votes). Practically nothing has been done to keep it from happening again. So why would the Dem establishment bother to campaign this time when their political fallout is exponentially worse? They can't. They won't. They cannot win debate on the merits or results of their policies... and they don't have to because they cheat, they're corrupt, and the media, deep state, and state and federal judiciary is largely on their side... yet they project that the Republicans are a threat to democracy. Weird right? If they ultimately feel they can't maintain power with the cheat, they'll start and inject us into a major war, even bring it home and declare martial law to thwart the vote. I'd put nothing past them whatsoever. The far left has more control in this country now than it ever has, and they're not about to let go of it peaceably because of what the majority of Americans want.

From: Will
11-Oct-23
Ike is the most correct post in this thread, besides people just being frustrated and pissed off at the horror of it all. Well said sir. Well said!

(No, I'm not saying not to bash it out. It's a big issue, and that can help process things. I just liked Ike's meme)

From: Recurve Man
11-Oct-23
They got the 6 billion from the big man on 9/11. If you think they aren’t smarter than our leader you’re a fool. This s just another stunt for some more money. Lives do not mean anything to the extreme 3rd world country. I know this, I’ll choose the Bible and stand with Israel until the end of my life.

Shane

From: Beendare
11-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
The liberal Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC- the network liberal Dems rely on- just interviewed an Israeli woman who had her children kidnapped by Hamas- at link.

Mitchell said, “ don’t you feel bad for the gaza palestinians getting bombed?”

What a summary of the liberal mind…

From: Beendare
11-Oct-23
At the rate this is expanding, lets hope the Republicans get their act together and elect a speaker.

We will need an active Congress.

From: Elkpacker
11-Oct-23
any body reember the 7 day war, Isreal destroyed them in 7 days with all the surrounding nations sying isreal wil fall. Did not happen that way

From: shade mt
12-Oct-23
jeff durnell... x2.

i have never been much of a conspiracy theory type.....but one does not have to be , all you have to do is sit back and look at the big picture.

the points you made are so true....

And it hasn't happened over night, many of the things we see are a result of a slow gradual progression.

We jump from one crisis to the next, ...and they keep people in fear, all the while manipulating and corrupting. And truly, they are gaining control without honest straightforward campaign merits, but use manipulative strategy instead. i don't look for it to get any better, but worse. The amount of people that have been brainwashed into looking at MAGA as the enemy is shocking.."make America great again"....a bad thing? really?

If we are not careful.....America will cease to be what it once was, We will be destroyed both by world events and enemies.....and enemies within.

From: 2Wild Bill
12-Oct-23
Shade mt,

"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." - Patrick Henry

From: 70lbDraw
12-Oct-23
“If we are not careful.....America will cease to be what it once was, We will be destroyed both by world events and enemies.....and enemies within.”

Good point. I recently watched the movie, “Don’t Look Up”. Based on the discovery of an eminent extinction sized comet strike to Earth, I found it funny and somewhat entertaining. With Leonardo DeCaprio being the lead actor, I suspect climate change was the inspiration for it. But, the reality of it exposes the impact that politics, and greed has on our society, despite the reality, and urgency of the crisis situation. If you follow current politics, you’ll definitely see the similarities between the movie and what’s going on in America today.

12-Oct-23
listened to blinken and netanyahu this morning. blinken is saying the right words...well see how committed the biden administration is to them.

hamas needs to be removed from the face of the earth. i have no doubt netanyahu is committed to doing just that.

From: Groundhunter
12-Oct-23
When there done with Gaza, then using air power, destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, should have been done years ago. Freeze up all their money. They are making billions on their oil. Biden is buying it, which is supporting what he is fighting, just dumb

From: Will
12-Oct-23
As for America - I like a Lincolnian approach to things. And since one political party is closer to that than the other today, I tend to err that way. it'll probably change, since it does every now and then here. But for now, yeah, I like the Lincolnian approach.

As for the whole Israeli / Hamas war. Hamas is horrible. I'm hopeful they are beaten down fully. I'm suspect that any peace will be long-lasting given the history of that region of the world and the ease with which extremism is developed and sustained today. In the end, it's an act of utter barbarism, which leads to even more human death and suffering, which will last for years, and lead to the radicalization of new people.

It's gross, sad, disgusting and horrible

From: Catscratch
12-Oct-23
The 6 Day War was a complete domination of Israel over several of it's neighboring countries. If I remember reading about it correctly Israel was very patient with those countries until they tried to join forces, then they hit them hard and swift. Pushing them into a corner resulted in very harsh retaliation.

Currently Israel has the electricity shut off to Gaza and have said they will not return power until hostages are released. I'm wondering if our media will applaud the effort to save hostages, or denounce the effort due to possible collateral damages? It's a sad way to fight but militants tend attack civilians and hide in ways that put civilians in danger. Our administration is going to have to make some tough choices in the very near future.

From: Beendare
12-Oct-23
Its nice to see good people speaking up.

From an Article on NYU;

New York University’s Law Student Bar Association on Wednesday moved to oust its president, who had penned a controversial pro-Hamas column in the school’s newsletter, as school brass issued yet another statement condemning the comments.

The backlash came a day after group president Ryna Workman posted a message accusing Israel of “state-sanctioned violence” and saying it bore “full responsibility” for the barbaric and highly coordinated terror attacks that killed more than 1,200 Israelis Saturday.

On Wednesday, members of the Student Bar Association released a statement saying they did not “write, approve, or see this message” before it was published, and said Workman did not speak for them.

The SBA board moved to remove Workman, who identifies as non-binary, as president, a process that will require two hearings……

12-Oct-23

'Ike' (Phone)'s Link
No stopping Israel and their rage now…

From: Zbone
12-Oct-23
Can't even imagine... Just seeing that would haunt a person for a lifetime...

From: Beendare
12-Oct-23
Thank you Bill Ackman (of Hedge Fund fame) for sending a message to these entitled Harvard college students-

His twitter message; I have been asked by a number of CEOs if @harvard would release a list of the members of each of the Harvard organizations that have issued the letter assigning sole responsibility for Hamas’ heinous acts to Israel, so as to insure that none of us inadvertently hire any of their members.

If, in fact, their members support the letter they have released, the names of the signatories should be made public so their views are publicly known.

One should not be able to hide behind a corporate shield when issuing statements supporting the actions of terrorists, who, we now learn, have beheaded babies, among other inconceivably despicable acts

From: Thornton
12-Oct-23
Found out Israel has strict civilian gun ownership laws. I think much of these butcherings could have been thwarted even with a small pocket pistol. It enrages me these innocent people could do nothing but be tortured and killed. The stories coming from survivors are horrible. My nephew's wife's cousin was landing when the shooting started, and last I heard they were trying to get to Egypt.

From: Thornton
12-Oct-23
Just heard they made it to Dubai.

12-Oct-23
Pictures published of a murdered baby because people were denying reports. It appears to be about 3 months old.

To murder a random 3 month old baby at close range requires a psychopath. Most people couldn't do it.

And there were students at Georgetown University holding a rally with signs praising the "martyrs."

The U.S. and the West at large need to remove people with those sorts of terror sympathizers from inside Western country borders. They're not welcome. They should leave.

From: RK
12-Oct-23
Better than Egypt. Really glad they made it Thornton

From: RK
12-Oct-23

12-Oct-23
I’ve been all over West Africa, and if you look deep down, it’s very hard to find value in the Muslim religion. Historically there has never been a nation that has converted to Islam without violence, nor has there been a nation that has been freed from its iron grasp. At any time that the more fundamental or extreme Muslims assert themselves, there is absolute compliance, and with that genocide or at the very least severe mistreatment of non-Muslims, regardless of race. Of course, it gets complicated by tribalism, and sect but through the blurred lines is the common thread of oppression of the human spirit.

At some level, I can understand having a pro Palestinian viewpoint, but the protest those views within days of these atrocities is unbelievable.

If Hamas is not dealt with this will not be the end, I hope they get crushed beyond remembrance but the fact is they have the majority of Muslims support in the entire region. Why, because Islam makes people into animals bottom line

From: ahunter76
12-Oct-23
Sadly, we have protester's in America pro Hamas even after they have seen the atrocities. I've seen some horrible things having been in the military but cannot imagine the ability of a human burning, beheading babies in front of their mothers & torchering, killing Parents in front of their children. Pure EVIL. College students in America pro Hamas is sickening.. The "squad" our so called political leaders not condemning Hamas actions either.. These people need some type of "wake up call". A girl (from Florida, living there) on the news tonight said an Uncle was beheaded & they pulled his teeth out too.. I hope Israel destroys every last one of them.

From: Brian M.
12-Oct-23
I've heard it said that if Palestine wanted peace, there would be peace. And if Israel wanted war, there would be no Palestine. Hamas went way the f*** over the line, and I hope Israel doesn't stop shooting until they run out of munitions or Gaza is flat.

From: DL
12-Oct-23
Some Hamas dude called for a jihad tomorrow. I hope everyone has their license and Jihadist tags

From: Shuteye
12-Oct-23
DL, global jihad and with all the illegals that have come across our boarder, we should be on alert for sure. BTW one reporter said the babies that he knows were beheaded were done with a shovel.

From: DL
13-Oct-23
Same should be done to them.

From: shade mt
13-Oct-23
We built a home for a man that had left the muslim religion....I never knew much about muslim, never cared to...He was from Iran..In his own words he said it was a very violent religion. Any religion that thinks infidels should be killed with the sword....No thanks. lots of people try and sugar coat it...... Muslim, it's like baloney, don't matter how thin you slice it it's still baloney....it's no good. This stuff is pure evil......

From: Jack Harris
13-Oct-23
Sad that the younger "WOKE" generation among us who were so offended by mean tweets and statues and flags and syrup bottles - are not offended by brutal rape, beheading babies with shovels, and all out slaughter....

From: soccern23ny
13-Oct-23

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From: Jack Harris
13-Oct-23
I would love to see a reality TV show that drops off a busload of US Campus "wokies" that are supporting Palestine, into a Hamas training camp and have cameras follow them around completely unfiltered.

From: Beendare
13-Oct-23
The Harvard president must have been getting a huge amount of flak from alumni and she made a strong statement.

I would buy the person a beer that rented the billboard truck driving around with the names and photos of these students praising the violence. Now many are fleeing these orgs like rats off a ship.

Republicans are still struggling to get their house in order and elect a speaker all due to half a dozen hardliners.

On the other side it seems the Democrats have The Squad that flies foreign flags at the capitol, refusing to denounce the beheadings along with Marxist factions like BLM and Dem Socialists sanctioning the violence.

The single best thing I’ve seen was in France; they will expel anyone pushing pro Hamas hate…why doesn’t the US do that?

The US is at its weakest that I can ever remember. The division caused by politics along with the ideology that ‘Nationalism is bad’ has weakened us to the point I’m waiting for the next shoe to drop.

.

From: Beendare
13-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
Facts about the Gaza strip, at ZH link

80% of people there are supported by outside subsistence 50% of the population is children- 99% are Sunni muslims

From: WYOelker
13-Oct-23
It is very telling if you look at the live New York feed for the protest today. The pro Palestine side is full of people wearing COVID mask. They all look like the same people who support ANTIFA and BLM. Over weight white 20 something women and a bunch of small beta males etc. They look dirty, disheveled and just a little crazy.

The ProIsreal side have no mask, no face coverings, they are clean, look nice, healthy….

It is amazing the difference and how one side just looks and feels disconnected from reality and is truly antisocial…

From: Zbone
13-Oct-23
"Found out Israel has strict civilian gun ownership laws"

Is that true, I thought all Israelis at a certain age, even girls had to enlist 2 years in the Israeli military and if that is so, wouldn't they have their own M16 at hand especially in such a country with such a storied past...

From: WYOelker
13-Oct-23
It is not that strict. But you have to have a government permit. In recent years there has been a 30-40% denial rate for permits. There is no laws about carry if you can legally own the gun you can legally have the gun.

However in the wake of this attack they are relaxing the laws a bit. I had someone say that because they have the 2 year mandatory that many don’t get permits and carry because there is always a relatively large armed population. At least around the main military locations.

So??? I am sure it someplace in the middle. Not as free as most of the US but not as bad as say DC?

From: Zbone
13-Oct-23
I can still see a photo of 2 hot Israelis girls in bikinis at a tiki hut on a beach with M16s strapped over their shoulders...8^)

From: Glunt@work
13-Oct-23
2% of the population owns firearms. Permits require an in person interview, a bunch of other hoops and demonstration of a specific need. Apparently being surrounded by millions of people wanting to eradicate you and constant attacks doesn't qualify.

14-Oct-23
I’m with Jack….

From: DanaC
14-Oct-23

DanaC's Link
"As Hamas war rages, personal firearm activists see surge in interest"

"Gun control in Israel is relatively strict, and firearm licenses are generally only granted to those who can show a need for extra security in their line of work or daily life. Meaning, one of the key criteria for a private citizen to receive permission to own a gun is where they live."

(((Note that word 'permission' - no *right* secured by a proper constitution. )))

"In Israel, the usual personal weapon allowed are pistols with a limit of 50 rounds of ammunition. To qualify, one must be of a certain age, depending on IDF service, live or work in an area that demands extra security, not have a criminal record, and pass a training course and background check, among other things."

From: Beendare
14-Oct-23
Reports that Biden went around congress and sent Gaza/ Hamas $75m at the beginning of October.

If thats true, hopefully voters hear about it.

From: Glunt@work
14-Oct-23
We have sent hundreds of millions to Gaza.

From: Recurve Man
14-Oct-23
The USA reminds me of my grandma God rest her soul. She let my uncle live with her until she was passed away. He was 57 when my mom and her siblings told him to find him a place to live when they sold the house. He couldn’t understand why it wasn’t just his since he lived there and sold and did drugs for a professional career. She catered to his dumbass his and her whole life.

Just like the USA does to these stupid countries. Nothing in return just an open purse to idiots who give 2 craps about us. They hate us but love our money.

From: Beendare
15-Oct-23
Democrat New York Rep. Jamaal Bowman has called on the United States to “welcome” Palestinian refugees as experts predict that one million people fleeing the Gaza Strip will need new homes.

From: Keith
15-Oct-23
Let Egypt take them. They share a border. Are they not their Muslim "brothers"?

That's right, they don't want them either. That says a lot right there.

From: Basil
15-Oct-23
“If you collect 100 black ants and 100 fire ants and put them in a glass jar, nothing will happen. But if you take the jar, shake it violently and leave it on the table, the ants will start killing each other. Red believes that black is the enemy, while black believes that red is the enemy when the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. The same is true in society. Men vs Women. Black vs White. Faith vs Science. Young vs Old. Etc… Before we fight each other, we must ask ourselves:?Who shook the jar?”

From: Mint
16-Oct-23
We have enough people in this country cheering on Hamas beheading babies before letting more palestinians in. Bowman just wants more people on the government dole so democrats can get more votes and help destroy this country.

From: KSflatlander
16-Oct-23

KSflatlander's Link
You purposely kill children then you don’t deserve to breathe.

Just FYI, David Attenborough never said that quote.

From: Basil
16-Oct-23
So what’s your point?

From: Beendare
16-Oct-23
Personally, I hope the IDF shows some restraint....and I bet they do. Sure they bombed the missile sites and there was collateral damage- thats what happens when terrorists hide behind innocents.

Charging in there killing everything is a bad idea. Gaza is over 50% kids.

It would be nice if the supposed passive muslims in Gaza and Iran would rise up against the radicals pushing this terrorist agenda.

I'm worried about the weakness of the US- the idiot Democrat policy that has weakened us to the point every bad actor in the world is thinking, "Now is our chance"

Just like every crook, gang member, and terrorist has strolled in through the US border... getting federal aid in the process. Heck, what's Chicago offering, $9,000? I bet homeowners in Chicago are loving the liberal Dem policy there, Eh?

From: KSflatlander
17-Oct-23
“So what’s your point?”

That you posted a fictitious quote and attributed it to someone who never said it.

From: Basil
17-Oct-23
Thanks for you’re all knowing moral superiority. All your sources are the final word on every topic. I don’t know what we would do without you.

17-Oct-23

Ricky The Cabel Guy's Link
Palestinian health officials said more than 500 people were killed in an Israeli airstrike on a Gaza hospital in one of the deadliest single incidents of violence in the strip—hours before President Biden was expected to visit Israel in a show of support.

Israel says not so fast...

"IDF says assessment shows failed Islamic Jihad rocket launch caused Gaza hospital blast."

From: RK
17-Oct-23
Historically it seems that 30%+ of Hamas rockets fail in one way or another. I probably would agree the children slaughtering side did it. Fits their total playbook

From: RK
17-Oct-23
Basil it does seem that a few here demand truth and accuracy in every post that we mortals pen, but they don't require the same for themselves

From: nchunter
17-Oct-23
What is amazing is that no arab country that I have heard of is offering aid or sanctuary to Palistinian people. No country wants Hamas anywhere near them. And now the hospital is hit today- I don't believe for a second that Israel hit that hospital, its the perfect propaganda tool for Hamas to use.

17-Oct-23
Yeah, Egypt and Jordan both came out and said, sorry, none of you can come here. That's a bit ironic.

From: Zbone
18-Oct-23
Drone footage shows proof Hamas rocket is what hit the hospital...

From: Beendare
18-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
The Dem administration attacking Twitter at every turn…including the Libs in Europe. Lots of noise on Twitter, but it sure seems to be the truth network. When Omar posts old photos of Palestinians bombed- someone catches it and calls out the BS. Many examples of this on the X platform.

Case study; Today CNN and MSNBC both post a couple articles essentially saying both sides are saying it wasn’t their rocket.

But on Twitter, there is Israeli video footage showing it was Hamas, radar intercepts and intercepted conversations of Hamas discussing their big Oops.

Link is to a summary of the twitter posts by Gateway pundit.

From: Zbone
19-Oct-23
Those two congress woman that promote Hamas terrorism need to go... It's there a way in congress to charge and oust them for doing so? Can they be impeached?

From: Stix
19-Oct-23

Stix's embedded Photo
Stix's embedded Photo
Each house of congress can expel a member, but it's a high hurdle..... as it should be

19-Oct-23

'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo
'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo

20-Oct-23
"Yall do realize that they've been fighting in the sandbox since words were chiseled into stone. No US President or congress has ever, nor ever will, change that."

you do realize that jews live in every sandbox...and they want them all dead.

20-Oct-23
I’m pretty certain that if Hamas would quit killing the people of israel, the problems would stop. We can claim it’s always happened and there’s nothing we can do about it. But, that’s lamestream regurgitated talk.

If it weren’t Muslims killing everyone, there’d be a worldly outrage. But, since it’s Muslims doing the killing, we just blame it on a religious conflict and let it ride.

If you’ve watched the videos of what Hamas did to innocent civilians, you’d understand why Israel is so determined this time. Heads are going to roll

20-Oct-23

Ricky The Cabel Guy's Link
i wonder if timex? will feel the same way when the barbarians that this nutcase let into our country start sh!++ing in our sandbox.

DHS Puts Pro-Hamas Immigrant Screener On Leave As She Reaffirms That She ‘Celebrates’ Terrorism

"I abso-f---ing-lutely celebrate [Palestinian hang-gliders], a--hole, f--- you!" said the DHS immigration employee whose job was to "Conduct affirmative interviews with applicants" and "determine fraud or security concerns."

20-Oct-23
https://youtu.be/kQNYc5PLGHc?si=bBJVdSi1-SQYfnXy

From: kennym
20-Oct-23
Another 100 billion handout should help.......................

From: kennym
20-Oct-23
Course Ukraine gets part of it.......

From: Catscratch
20-Oct-23
I think a foreign entity invading the country with traditional troops and equipment is VERY unlikely. However, a coordinated effort by a plains clothes militants already living in here seems very possible. The latter scars the hell out of me. I think the more times our president broadcasts support for the people they hate, the more we offer support in the form of arms and moneys, the more times we show support in ideology, the more immigrants we let into the country unvetted... the more likely they are to do something on our mainland. Sometimes I wish our government would just shut up and let the military go take care of business without saying a word.

20-Oct-23
"However, a coordinated effort by a plains clothes militants already living in here seems very possible."

not only very possible...but highly likely...especially when those tasked with vetting the "asylum seekers" flooding our borders...not to mention sitting in our own congress... are of the same ilk.

From: DL
20-Oct-23
If Abraham had kept his tunic tucked the world wouldn’t have this issue.

From: KSflatlander
20-Oct-23
I’m not for any civilians or children being killed for any reason whether Israeli or Palestinian. However, it’s Hamas who is the root cause of the death of the innocent in this situation.

Those in congress protesting for Hamas don’t deserve the congress seat they sit in. If Hamas is so good then go join them. Despicable and deplorable.

From: 70lbDraw
20-Oct-23
Why the voters keep electing the Bimbo “Squad” is beyond me?!

20-Oct-23
What’s a few ‘billion’ between friends….I forget, who’s paying for this again???

From: Glunt@work
20-Oct-23
If you are an employee in America, that little box on the pay stub that says "Federal income tax withheld". Doesn't matter which side, we borrow money to give to both.

From: Zbone
21-Oct-23
WOW Ricky, I just read your link...

"DHS Puts Pro-Hamas Immigrant Screener On Leave As She Reaffirms That She ‘Celebrates’ Terrorism"

How in the world was she even able to reach that position being associated with the PLO, unfreakn believable... Anybody that she ever approved needs to be re-vetted...

21-Oct-23
"WOW Ricky, I just read your link..."

which is why i said what i did about sandboxes. anyone who thinks this is someone elses problem...in someone elses sandbox...needs to get their own heads out of the sand.

this is not...and has never been a territorial issue. it is a they want every jew dead issue.. if they were to kill every jew in israel and occupy all the land...the will move on to any other sandbox that contains jews.

From: TGbow
21-Oct-23
The Biden administration is a complete disaster. The fact that anyone with common sense would vote for these clowns is mind boggling. I expect he will make a mess of our involvement with Israel like he's made a mess with everything else. Pathetic

From: ryanrc
22-Oct-23

ryanrc's Link
I listened to this podcast the other day and thought it was an interesting perspective on this whole conflict.

From: KSflatlander
22-Oct-23
Good post Timex

From: Mint
23-Oct-23
It's good to see some on the left pushing back against this hatred. Biden and his administration needs to stop pushing the white supremacy bs all the time since that has been feeding the hatred against the jews. The amount of white supremists compared to the crowds chanting for the extermination of jews is miniscule. We have a huge problem in this country and it's going to get worst. Sick and tired of Biden mentioning Islamaphobia is this country which is basically nonexistent compared to antisemitism and all the stats prove it. Stop with the qualifiers!

From: Zbone
23-Oct-23
" the most noticeable dislike of one group of folks towards another group of folks is the young African American males have a serious attitude towards white folks. I mean its like you can literally feel it"

Yeah, me too... I live in a suburban/rural area, but just on the news tonight the city 20 miles from my home has had 46 homicides this year so far... Scary...

24-Oct-23
"Damn.......where did that come from. Perhaps in the big city's, in my neck of the woods the most noticeable dislike of one group of folks towards another group of folks is the young African American males have a serious attitude towards white folks. I mean its like you can literally feel it."

do you think that is because you are white and therefore thats what you notice? im sure jews would have a much different perspective...as would blacks...hispanics...asians...muslims...etc.

From: Beendare
24-Oct-23

Beendare's Link
A thoughtful article by Obama in the publication, Medium, “Thoughts on Israel and Gaza”

I agree with his premise, worth the read, at link.

From: Mint
24-Oct-23
The problem is 85% of GAZA voted Hamas in and they new what they were getting and what the destruction of Israel and the Jews exterminated. Obama is totally misguided and naive. People in the West Bank i think you can bargain with but not the majority of GAZA.

From: Nomad
24-Oct-23
"A thoughtful article by Obama"......You make me laugh!

From: Nomad
24-Oct-23

Nomad's Link
Beendare.........Listen to the Rabbi Michael Barclay's interview in this podcast. It's more than thoughtful.

From: Groundhunter
24-Oct-23
Biden has made this a dangerous world. I believe lots of cells in this country, and they come from China. China has been gearing up to hit this country. Sabotage, chemical and disease warfare. They are going to move on Taiwan. Russia will provocate Japan. This country is not ready for war. It's not geared up. Has not enough fuel At this time our country needs a Warrior. Biden is not it. I fear for my grandson. We have not fought on our soil since 1812, I fear its coming. I am no right wing Republican. The Democratic Party has left us. Dems need to retake the party, presently they want not what is best for this country. It's a real shame.

From: Glunt@work
24-Oct-23
Obama is not naive. He's just showing others on the left the safest way to support Israel without supporting Israel and condemn Hamas without condemning Hamas.

Thats smart because too many on his side have been honest with their reaction and honesty is rarely a good idea for them.

From: Grey Ghost
25-Oct-23
Thanks for posting Obama's article, Beendare. I also agree with him.

Matt

From: Beendare
31-Oct-23
Re Obama, I’m taking his words to mean Israel has to be careful how they accomplish wiping out Hamas….without a wholesale wiping out of Gaza. I saw a stat that the vast majority of Gaza population is children.

To state all Gaza res are terrorists is not accurate-many sympathizers sure…but when Hamas won the democratic election Israel initiated in 2008 (or 07?) Hamas shut down future elections and ran it like a dictatorship. Some of those people are trapped.

Then there is the chicken shit strategy of Hamas using innocents to hide behind- and the many shadow governments sponsoring Hamas- which complicates it for Israel. Its a mess for sure.

From: Beendare
31-Oct-23
The facts show that the Democrat party has been pursuing a strategy of supporting the wrong groups- and it contributed to the cause of this mess. Give a couple hundred million to the wrong folks and sit back to watch the mess unfold.

Look up this Houthi leader’s negative comments towards the US and Israel….and The Biden admin has been funding them for years- WTF are you Democrats doing?

( this comment copied from Twitter and it shows his anti US sentiment in Arabic or whatever language)

Hussain Abdul-Hussain

@hahussain #Yemen pro #Iran regime militia, the Houthis, announced launching missiles and explosive drones on #Israel to support Hamas in Gaza.

When it took office in 2021, Biden admin took Houthis off list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Houthi motto includes “death to America, death to Jews,” kinda what you hear on some US college campuses.

From: Beendare
01-Nov-23

Beendare's Link
I have not seen this anywhere else;

Biden Administration Pressures Israel to Give Tax Revenue to Palestinian Authority

So typical of This admin, watch what they do….not what they say. In this case, Biden playing both sides even though the PA totally supports and funnels money to Hamas. ———— Secretary of State Antony Blinken told the Senate Appropriations Committee that the Biden administration is calling for the funds to be released to support the Palestinian Authority’s governance of the West Bank, according to Axios.

“We asked them to release [the money],” Blinken said.

“The Palestinian Authority is doing everything it can to keep security and stability in the West Bank. It is vastly under-sourced. This is another aspect of the problem,” he added. ( Israel said no dice)

He said he took action due to “senior PA officials’ support for the horrific massacres of the Nazi terrorist organization Hamas.”

“The PA has once again proven the fact, about which we have been raising our voices for years, that it is a terror-supporting organization,” Smotrich wrote. ———

What am I missing here?

How many times is the Biden admin going to make the same mistake? They give these outfits $millions/ billions and instead of using it to feed their people, they buy guns and missiles….thats a fact.

From: Glunt@work
01-Nov-23
Mistake? It's wrong but not a mistake. It's intentional and with predictable results.

From: Beendare
01-Nov-23
Best strategy I've heard of for Israel; Flood the Gaza tunnels with seawater.

It seems Egypt did just that in 2015- worked like a charm.

From: Ambush
01-Nov-23
Why not just cook bacon and blow the smoke down the tunnels.

Or release a bunch of nasty wild boar down there.

From: DL
02-Nov-23
Hamas Leadership: Ones worth 5 million, ones worth 3 billion the third is worth 5 billion. I watched a foreign interview of one of the leaders. He was asked with 500k of tunnels why don’t you use them for bomb shelters for the Palestinians? He said “those are for our security and planning and those people are 85% aliens and they are the UNs problem not ours”.

One of the recoded terrorists recordings showed them Tying up Husband, then ripping there young baby away from the mother. They turned the oven on high and threw the baby in. They raped the woman in front of the husband. When they were done they shot her in the head and then the husband. These people are a disease on humanity and everyone of Hamas need to be eliminated. Not one Islamic country has offered to accept any so called Palestinians. Egypt has sent armored vehicles to prevent any Palestinians from coming to Egypt. The entire Islamic states view the “Palestinians as trouble making trash.

From: DanaC
02-Nov-23
"Best strategy I've heard of for Israel; Flood the Gaza tunnels with seawater. "

Good grief, I agree with Beendare!

From: Groundhunter
02-Nov-23
Those tunnels are a logistic nightmare, especially for hostage rescue..... IDF, has alot of challenges........

Some say, we should pull our personnel out of the small bases, in the middle east.... those small units, have been keeping ISIS in check.

I do agree, we know the satellite units who have been hitting them, a stronger response is needed.

We simply have failed leadership. CLOSE THE BORDER, gee that might help.

From: Groundhunter
02-Nov-23
As a Democrat for many years, our party has failed the country, and we have no credibility, with a unsecured Border. This party, has gone radical left, lost common sense and decency, and Biden is a disaster, who has endangered our safety. If war broke out, we do not have enough fuel alone, for our air units. Think about that.

02-Nov-23
That’s been the end goal of our politicians. Continued weakening of American might is the result of both parties. Not just Democrat.

Even in our weakened state, we have the most mighty military forces on this planet. Our Islamic enemies know they can’t attack head on. Which is why our politicians have stalked building a wall. If you can’t stand toe to toe with your adversary, you’ve got to go gorilla warfare.

The next 20 years in this country is going to be bloody and catastrophic for America. From within. Served straight on a tray to every American. Courtesy of our house members.

But, let’s elect another career liar. They’ll change it.

From: Beendare
06-Nov-23

Beendare's Link
There is an incredibly well researched article on Iran/ Hezbolah/ Hamas at my link from Hudson.org, “Bankrupting Iran’s empire of terror” by Nate Sibley

He details the how, why and how much Iran has been doing to sponsor terror in the middle east and where the money comes from, by who and where it goes.

Excerpt

Iran’s rebounding oil exports also indicate a significant relaxation of enforcement activity. United Against Nuclear Iran, a group that attempts to track Iran’s oil shipments, estimates that Tehran has generated some $80 billion in oil revenue since President Biden entered office. Saeed Ghassemi Nejad, an Iran scholar at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, has conservatively calculated that this is between $26.3 billion and $29.5 billion more than Iran would have exported under the Trump-era sanctions. Iran has now received as much as $50 billion in total sanctions relief from the Biden administration, according to some experts.

The Islamic Republic was never a sincere negotiating partner and should be treated henceforth as the implacable US adversary that it has always openly declared itself to be. Neglecting to robustly enforce sanctions on Hamas’s chief state sponsor would directly contradict the Biden administration’s own clear commitment to support Israel. Not only reinstating but expanding the maximum pressure approach is the only credible path to constraining Tehran’s malign ambitions.

From: Glunt@work
06-Nov-23
We sent a billion directly to Palistine in the last 3 years.

From: DL
06-Nov-23
Two of the Hamas leaders are Billionaires and a third one is a multimillionaire. They take the majority of aid money for themselves

From: DL
06-Nov-23
Two of the Hamas leaders are Billionaires and a third one is a multimillionaire. They take the majority of aid money for themselves

From: Beendare
06-Nov-23
I like some of the solutions by the author in my link.

But what about the mess we have here: Elected Congress people inciting racism, the universities that are supposed to be educating our younger generation are instilling them with propaganda instead of critical thinking skills.

Hows that liberal curricula working out for us as a country?

From: sundowner
06-Nov-23
The US should be very careful in dealing with Israel. God told the Children of Israel, "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you."

How much more warning does anyone need?

From: Zbone
07-Nov-23
Surprised somebody hasn't mentioned that earlier sundowner, if they did I missed it...

I'm from white European ancestry and grew up in a very religious family and now in my 60's can still remember from young age family members discussing how America should never turn our backs on Israel, and if we do, we are doomed... Mom always said the Jews are God's chosen people...

From: sundowner
07-Nov-23
Timex.....not "trying" at all. God absolutely said the Children of Israel are His Chosen People. That doesn't mean others can't receive His blessing.

If my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

This is exactly what America needs right now.

From: Zbone
07-Nov-23
Timex? - I was raise in the church (NOT Judaism), but was made to go to church Sunday mornings, and evenings, Wednesday evenings and Friday evenings... My parents separated when I was 2, and never remembered them together and I'm the only child, both parents never had another... Anyhow at age 15, I rebelled and went to live with my dad and my church going days were over until later married and the wife and I took our children to church when they were young until we separated when they were 14 and 11,,, they are now 41 and 38... Since they were young, except for marriages and funerals I have not been in a church... I consider myself spiritual but not religious, I get my church from the woods...

So for the question " God's eyes one certain group of folks take precedence over another"... From what I was taught from a young age, yes the Jews are God's chosen people, and personally believe that is why they have been persecuted for centuries...

Personally, I'm now in the mindset of Native Americans... Paraphrasing Chief Quanta - "The white man goes to the church house to teach about Jesus, the Indian goes to the tipi to talk to Jesus"...8^) Of course that was while he was eating peyote...8^)

From: sundowner
07-Nov-23
It is possible, in my opinion, that God caused the United States to be founded in Christian principles and blessed this nation with prosperity and strength in order to defeat Hitler, liberate the Jewish people and re-establish their homeland in 1948. Hopefully He has further use for the US, even in our state of decline. If we reject Israel and deny her help in this war, we will be but a footnote in world history.....IMO.

From: Mint
08-Nov-23
Looks like Israel is going to occupy Gaza until Hamas is totally wiped out. I think the only way to get to maybe to a solution is to totally wipe out the enemy and a full occupation like we did with Japan. Still doubtful but the current situation is untenable after the October 7th massacre.

From: sundowner
08-Nov-23
"I think the only way to get to maybe to a solution is to totally wipe out the enemy and a full occupation like we did with Japan."

That is correct, IMO. As long as there are any Hamas terrorists left alive, they will continue to attack and kill Israelis. That hatred began in Abraham's time, and won't end as long as they (militant radical Muslims) are allowed to live. The only way Israelis can deal with them is to kill them, because if they don't they will kill Israelis.

From: Glunt@work
08-Nov-23
Long lasting peace is usually bought by a complete victory.

From: Beendare
13-Nov-23

Beendare's Link
The Brits have a reporter on the ground and Piers Morgan presses him insinuating Israel is creating more of a problem ( which Obama has stated recently too)

The reporter, Douglass Murray blows Morgan out of the water, powerful interview. He finishes it off with a comparison of Hamas to Hitlers SS…and he says that many of the Germans regretted and tried to hide their war crimes….Hamas does it with glee and no remorse- a much worse state of mind.

at one point I thought Obama made some sense- nope….now he is showing his true colors. Hamas can start a war with unmentionable brutality…but Israel should hold back?

From: DanaC
13-Nov-23
It will be interesting to see what's _under_ that big hospital...

From: DL
13-Nov-23
The only land the Jews have colonized is in Boca Roton, Florida.

From: Quinn @work
14-Nov-23
It may be too late now. I would f like to have seen nato land large c130 type transport planes in Palestine for any civilians that wanted out. Screened the best they can and get them out. If you don’t use the resources to leave then you will be subject to complete i destruction . It should be offered prior to more leveling of Gaza. Then impose full scale attacks to level the place and root out Hamas,

From: Knifeman
14-Nov-23
You would never see that because no nation, including the surrounding arab nations want the them. What the hell are you going to do with thousands of them?

From: Beendare
18-Nov-23

Beendare's Link
Clever…and better than flooding the tunnels….

Israel using the oil field sounding technology to map the tunnels in Gaza… Article link to Real Clear wire.com

Excerpt, more at link; Currently used seismic equipment could locate tunnels using a system of geophones and pulse generators. However, personnel placing the geophone data acquisition equipment on the surface would be exposed to small arms fire and potential capture. The need to potentially expose personnel to attack while emplacing geophones would seem to defeat use of this well-understood technology that could readily and accurately locate Hama’s tunnels.

At its most basic, a seismic system can map layers in the earth’s surface. To do so, as seen in the figure below, a source generates a seismic wave. This wave travels through the earth and reflects off reflecting subsurface layers, such as the roof and floor of a tunnel, and these reflected waves are collected by a receiver. A source and be anything that generates a seismic wave.

From: BowSniper
18-Nov-23

BowSniper's Link
They have some neat expanding foam to use in the tunnels as well...

From: DanaC
20-Nov-23
Flood the tunnels, then frack.

From: boo711
20-Nov-23
@DanaC - NO to fracking!!

From: DanaC
20-Nov-23
Normally I'd agree with that, but in this case I'll make an exception.

From: 2Wild Bill
20-Nov-23
sundowner,

"It is possible, in my opinion, that God caused the United States to be founded in Christian principles "

The Declaration of Independence states that Americans are created, entitled and endowed by their Creator, therefore, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is with God. What we have in American today is people without God, and it has turned to crap for government.

From: sundowner
20-Nov-23
2 Wild Bill:

"The Declaration of Independence states that Americans are created, entitled and endowed by their Creator, therefore, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is with God. What we have in American today is people without God, and it has turned to crap for government."

I agree that a large percentage of the American people have turned away from God. But that doesn't mean God won't still use this nation to achieve His purposes, just as He has done throughout our history. I believe He used this nation to save the Jews from total annihilation during WWII. After that the conditions were right for Jews to migrate in great numbers back to the Promised Land which God gave Abraham thousands of years ago. God may use the power of the US to ensure that Israel will never be driven out of their land, or be held in captivity ever again.

God uses imperfect individuals and nations to achieve His Perfect Will.

"I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you." That's His promise to Israel. I hope the US heeds that warning.

From: fuzzy
21-Nov-23
How's the Whitetail post rut looking for you guys?

From: 2Wild Bill
21-Nov-23
Not yet, the current economy is stiffling matters all over and the deer get it.

From: Beendare
21-Nov-23
Its crazy how much of this war is being fought in the arena of public opinion.

From: 2Wild Bill
21-Nov-23
beendare, "the arena of public opinion"

You mean like telling the public that Palestinians can't leave the hospital for fear of being shot. What they don't say is that they are being shot in the back by Hamas.

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