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Contributors to this thread:
Bou’bound 10-Oct-23
HUNT MAN 10-Oct-23
Beendare 10-Oct-23
Blood 10-Oct-23
JTreeman 10-Oct-23
Sunset 10-Oct-23
midwest 10-Oct-23
midwest 10-Oct-23
Charlie Rehor 10-Oct-23
rattling_junkie 10-Oct-23
Bou'bound 10-Oct-23
Charlie Rehor 10-Oct-23
butcherboy 10-Oct-23
Zackman 10-Oct-23
Z Barebow 11-Oct-23
Bou'bound 11-Oct-23
x-man 12-Oct-23
Z Barebow 12-Oct-23
Pat Lefemine 12-Oct-23
Tracker 20-Oct-23
Bou'bound 27-Jan-24
EmptyFreezer 27-Jan-24
Mike Ukrainetz 28-Jan-24
kakiatkids 28-Jan-24
From: Bou’bound
10-Oct-23
The name Joel Turner was brought up on another thread as a strong resource for improved shooting skills. I wondered what other comments, opinions or thoughts others may have on the process and system advocated by this person. It looks like online learning modules are the way the information is shared with a cost of about $250. Any thoughts would be much appreciated

thank you.

From: HUNT MAN
10-Oct-23
That’s Treeman’s best buddy.

From: Beendare
10-Oct-23
Ping Jim Casto on Stickbow…he has a free program that works…he is an amazing guy to be part of our community.

From: Blood
10-Oct-23
His son is world champion at the age of 16…. I don’t think there’s any denying that it’s great.

From: JTreeman
10-Oct-23
Wow, huntman throwing me under the bus a bit there! ;)

I took his seminar with another BS regular a couple years ago. My take is as follows:

Joel is a cool guy and wants to help everyone be better. I’m kinda old and been shooting a bow a long time. I’m a decent shot, but have lots of room for improvement. I have no illusions of becoming a great target/tournament shooter. But I would like to become a better shooting bowhunter.

I also believe it’s hard to teach old dogs new tricks. And I’m about as stubborn as they come in the old dog department. I personally didn’t get a lot out of the seminar, and really nothing you can’t get via his online content. I understood the principles he preaches, and the techniques he uses. But like most things you will get out what you put in. If you have a very disciplined and detailed personality I think you can gain significant improvement with his course. But that isn’t how my brain works and I really didn’t get much of a gain, and that is certainly no fault of Joel’s.

That is my 2 cents for what it’s worth, but obviously there are lots of guys who have greatly benefitted from Joel’s material.

—Jim

From: Sunset
10-Oct-23

From: midwest
10-Oct-23
I went to Joel's clinic with Jim. Waste of time, really, other than hanging out with a buddy for a couple days :-). One on one with Joel for a day would be worth the price of admission.

I bought the online class a few years ago. It's good and it's yours forever. He just recently redid the whole course but I haven't gone through the new version, yet.

The top male and female archers in the world, Levi Morgan and Page Pearce, both use Joel for instruction and his son, Bodie, is an archery phenom. That speaks volumes.

Joel is not going to teach you anything about proper form or setting up a bow; it is strictly about shot control. Especially shot control under high pressure situations regardless of what type of release you use or fingers with a trad bow. You can get a lot of free info just by listening to the dozens of podcasts he's done.

From: midwest
10-Oct-23

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Jim gettin the business. :-)

10-Oct-23
I now know what I need to do and why I’ve had troubles over the years. It’s basically the last half second for me. You’re either getting better or you’re getting worse.

PS: If you want to save the course cost you can learn a lot from YouTube videos and podcasts Joel has done. I recently bought a release that cost more than his course. In the end it’s peanuts to what I spend on hunting every year.

10-Oct-23
My opinion, not everyone can be great at archery. Can we improve yes, absolutely. He sells a mentality and I think it can be achieved on your own, but having a coach in anything is generally a good idea but not necessary. I'm a bowhunter and have zero desire to be a target archer, just not my thing at all. As bowhunters we have to learn how not to lose it in the moment of truth. I think back to all my poor shots and it's been rushed shots and not making sure my pin was actually where I wanted to hit. If Joel can help you accomplish this then it's money well spent.

From: Bou'bound
10-Oct-23
What release did you move to Charlie

10-Oct-23
After using an index finger release for many years I switched to a thumb release last December. Game changer for me.

I now own a Carter “Nock 2 it” and a Stan “Click”.

From: butcherboy
10-Oct-23
I might be looking into some of his videos as well. I had major mental block this past elk season that cost me dearly. First time in 36 years! Even thinking of switching to a thumb release or a new index style that uses the same technique as a thumb release.

From: Zackman
10-Oct-23
It's obvious Treeman's hair is messing up his follow through

From: Z Barebow
11-Oct-23
I have not bought his course. But I have adopted many of the principles he espouses.

I developed TP years ago. A difficulty for me is my shooting style. Compound bare bow fingers. Switching release’s isn’t an option.

Picking up nuggets from his podcast appearances etc, I have been able to rebuild the mental process of my aiming/shooting sequence. I am now in control vs dumping it. Am I a dead eye killer like some Bowsiters? No. But when I release an arrow on animal I have recaptured the joy of a controlled shot vs an uncontrollable explosion and totally losing your cr@p like I sometimes experienced.

From: Bou'bound
11-Oct-23
It does look like there is a ton of free content on internet. That has to be a great resource aside from the actual course.

From: x-man
12-Oct-23
I'd like to say the more info the better...but, there's no substitute for in-person coaching.

Almost every shooter I have coached had no idea what their bad habits were. You can't fix what you don't know is broken. Physically or mentally.

I've seen shooter try to fix something that wasn't broken, and I've pointed out things that they argued were not broken.

I once had a college girl come to me. She wanted to be like the girl from The Hunger Games. I borrowed her a Genesis bow, gave her a 30 minute tutorial on proper form and technique, and her second ever shot arrow robbinhooded her first. She came every week for an hour shooting lesson until she graduated. I still wonder where she's at now and if she still shoots. Her cocky boyfriend had frisbee sized groups and eventually stopped coming with. He thought he could "control" the bow and arrow.

From: Z Barebow
12-Oct-23
“I'd like to say the more info the better...but, there's no substitute for in-person coaching. Almost every shooter I have coached had no idea what their bad habits were. You can't fix what you don't know is broken. Physically or mentally.”

My wife is really good at finding my faults. I don’t need someone else piling on. Lol!

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Oct-23
Zackman beat me to it. I kept envisioning is all that hair getting caught in Treeman's bowstring. No worries Jim, I'd trade your Do for mine - any day.

I never got instruction from Joel but I think his philosophy is sound. I don't think it's life-changing for many - but I do think for guys struggling with a well-executed release, it can be tremendously helpful.

I recently went through a complete tear-down and rebuild with my bow, release, arrows, and form this year. Like Charlie, it's been a game-changer. I waded through a lot of different YT videos and settled on bits and pieces of expertise from many excellent shooters, including Levi, Joel, and Randy. I don't think there's one-size-fits-all in the shooting game - everyone has their own style. Anyone that tells you otherwise is likely trying to sell clicks or products.

I'm sure Joel would tear my release apart, and he may be right. But I am happy with my shooting and it works for me. That's good enough - for now.

From: Tracker
20-Oct-23
Joel used to give free seminars at ETAR (trad shoot) several years ago where I attended. He was also friends with a friend so I was able to shoot several courses with him during the week. If you are willing to "listen and change" he is definitely worth going to. I do agree that a one on one is the way to go. I also attended a seminar with Rod Jenkins. I was wanting to take trad hunting seriously and know I needed to improve my consistency. I got what I was looking for and my time was not waisted.

From: Bou'bound
27-Jan-24

From: EmptyFreezer
27-Jan-24
I bought his online course and it has helped me understand. If i could get a day with Joel that would be a deal breaker.. I think :)

28-Jan-24
I do think Joel has the method that fits almost everyone, 90+% of archers. I just think that many people don’t really understand the nuances of what he is teaching.

From: kakiatkids
28-Jan-24
I purchased the online course after experiencing the worst case of TP I have ever had. He did help me with my mental approach.

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