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Colorado wolves now kill sheep
So I’m assuming the ranchers hands are tied and can not defend his livestock from predation. I seen on an episode of Yellowstone how to deal with collared wolves
Typical wolves. Killing for fun
Yellowstone is Hollywood. In real life, wolf shooters have typically been agreeing to a plea deal of around an $8K fine, community service, and loss of hunting and fishing privileges for a year in 49 states. With telemetry technology and satellites, the old romantic days of SSS are gone.
USFWS just instituted 10J for CO wolves last week, but that's a tough one because the wolves have to be caught red handed (or red mouthed) for a rancher to act, and that hardly ever happens. This is all going to get way worse. We need a new governor and a new unwoke Commission before anything will change with managing these bastards.
Too many guys afraid they'll get caught. Operate alone with a thermal and a suppressor, leave the cell phone at home, don't tell a soul till you're on your death bed, and the rest is history. Livestock and wildlife are saved, and the only people hurt are the idiot libs that are at home in front of the fireplace sipping wine and whiskey.
off course they do, are we any diffrent then the wolves
"Too many guys afraid they'll get caught. Operate alone with a thermal and a suppressor, leave the cell phone at home, don't tell a soul till you're on your death bed".
Haha, right! Spend weeks slinking around 1000 square miles at night, in the in the dark, trespassing on multiple ranches, nobody knows what you're up to or where you are, not even your wife or best friends, no phone, presumably no job because this will be full time work, hiding your truck, hiding from ranchers and game wardens, while attempting to commit a felony. And for what? To kill one wolf? And take the secret to your grave? Ooooh, that will do a lot of good.
I love it when nurses talk tough!
Colorado isn't a good fit for wolves. It's dramatically different than when wolves thrived here and dramatically different than other western states that are dealing with them. We are the same size as WY with 10X the human population and developement. Not that it was ok to force them on WY either.
I certainly won't shed a tear if someone takes management into their own hands but I won't be creating any k9 martyrs or risking my ability to hunt by sneaking around in a futile attempt at making a dent.
Haha Jaquomo you take this shit serious or lack of a sense of humor, now that’s funny
This is an old, but supposedly true story. I think it is applicable to Colorado like it was in Wyoming-
"The Sierra Club and the U.S. Forest Service were presenting an alternative to the Wyoming ranchers for controlling the Wolf population. It seems that after years of the ranchers using the tried and true method of shooting or trapping the predators, the Sierra Club had a "more humane" solution to this issue. What they were proposing was for the animals to be captured alive. The males would then be castrated and let loose again. This was ACTUALLY proposed by the Sierra Club and by the U.S. Forest Service. All of the ranchers thought about this amazing idea for a couple of minutes.
Finally an old fellow wearing a big cowboy hat in the back of the conference room stood up, tipped his hat back and said; "Son, I don't think you understand our problem here.... these Wolves ain't haven sex with our sheep... they're eatin' 'em!" The meeting never really got back to order. . .."
I think the cowboy's comment was cleaned up for print purposes !!
Murph, I do take it seriously because I live here where wolves also live now, even before they have been dumped from another state. One was spotted about a mile from me two weeks ago. This is all going to get real serious in a state with 6 million people, soon to be 8 million.
I also take it seriously because I was an LEO, worked for Game, Fish and Parks, was deputized in theee counties, now do code enforcement where people try to poach and do other things that make outdoorsmen look like shit.
Bowsiters can arrest to my sense of humor. But this issue is a very big deal here. Sorry if I triggered you. Just calling it like it is.
The best solution is to do away with USFWS. The rest will take care of itself...
“I love it when nurses talk tough!”
Now wait just a damn minute, Lou… My Grandma was a nurse, and all 4’ 8” of her would kick your tail for talking about Nurses that way!
Her older siblings were born in a soddie — probably with wolves howling outside — so you know she was made of pretty stern stuff.
Only a small number are collared Lou. There’s hope. Hope of killing one that is. Not hope of solving the problem. I can’t believe it has come to this. What state do you think they’ll target next?
I agree with Jaquomo about the impossibility of engaging in SSS in this era of tracking technology, but I did hear of a very interesting method of control from a Wisconsin hunter. I won't elaborate here, as it's second hand info and I have no intention to engage in wolf elimination, but he said it's being used effectively in Wisconsin. Things are going to get very interesting. I'm also wondering if they will be able to capture 10 Oregon wolves and release them by the end of December. Hope not.
Last winter, 3 of the Colorado pack were killed in Wyoming when they crossed the border.
Gotta love Wyoming
MP, we'll be voting on lion and bobcat hunting here in 2024. Then after that...?
Lions are trying to establish themselves in SW Wis. Last week a bowhunter felt threatened and shot one. Really nice tom. He called it in. No issue.
Loosing Lion harvest would be more detrimental to the big game than anything… but it’s clear that the non-hunting voters would prefer to have predators decimate the game rather than have it managed by controlled harvest means….
I hunted my tail off in Alaska for a wolf (allowed 10 per day where we were), but with liberal hunting allowed the only wolves were in areas aircraft or long snow machine trips were necessary to get to them.
Re: Thornton, as I have said before, the most important "S", and the most elusive, is "S#3".
Well, a few things , first if wolves are going to be introduced then a solid control plan also needs to be in place.left unchecked they will do tremendous damage.
2nd, if hunters tell the libs that wolves are anti trans and are pro life then they will exterminator with great prejudice.
An old timer I knew who has long passed told me once that he would soak sponges with bacon grease and threw them out around his farm and it would do a number on coyotes. Soumd like a horrible way to go but it was effective.
The militant attitude of the lefties is never going to change and people are going to take matters into their own hands, and eventually everyone will loose, including the wolves, too bad.
What the public doesn’t understand;
Wolves are an indiscriminate killer. They are difficult and very costly in money and man power to even attempt to control. …a lose, lose.
On the other hand, Hunters are easy to control, and they are additive- they pay $$$ for licenses and tags to support this ecosystem management. A win, win…
The US public has become increasing stupid. One can point to Our schools, teachers, colleges, and professors for this.
^^^ no, it's from being too nice all the time and backing off when a firm shove should've been done...
Jaucomo - Nice uninformed jab, "nurses talk tough" I had a lifetime of jobs prior to selecting emergency services as my full-time,3 day a week job. Those jobs included running the landscaping business I started at age 12 that I still own, city police officer, EMT, highway dept heavy equipment operator, various college jobs at chain stores, owned my own outfitting business for 4 years in college. These ranchers know where the wolves are. Locals know where the wolves are. It took a week for those cops that poached the well-known bull elk in the suburb of Denver to get caught, and they did it in town, on duty. It's ridiculous for anyone to think that ranchers won't get away with ridding these problematic wolves in the middle of nowhere.
That bull elk wasn't collared with the most sophisticated telemetry/tracking devices available. The wolves dumped in CO will be the most closely monitored animals since the initial GYE dump. There might be a rancher who decides to risk committing a felony, as you suggest (interesting coming from a former LEO, as you claim. Do you shoot fentanyl dealers, too, being such a righteous vigilante? Bet you can get away with that pretty easily. Keyboard badasses are the best!)
But killing one wolf and getting away with it, while risking a $100,000 fine and jail time, is a far cry from "ridding problematic wolves". That hasn't even worked in WY where it's perfectly legal to shoot and trap them year round.
Just a bit of info from a CA case. In NE Ca a wolf was shot. They found that there was a cell phone signal at the time of the wolfs killing within 100 yds of the wolf. Tracked down the young man’s phone and found that he owned a 5.56 rifle and found a 5.56 round in the wolfs body. So you can imagine that things went downhill from there. BUT after all the accusations and charges filed a little thing called a ballistics report came in and his rifle didn’t match the bullet. So the area up there is cattle country with some ranchers been there since 1800s. F&W was offering a $5000. Reward for information relating to the killing of the wolf, results, Crickets. So remember those cell phones we carry can be a problem.
Lol- Jaucomo, you're such blowhard. You have zero clue what I or anyone else is capable of. My dad was a rancher and sold crop insurance. We knew everyone in the country and I grew up being able to literally hunt fragmented ranches from one side of the 2nd biggest county in the state to the next. I could go from 60 mph to a stop and hit a coyote a couple hundred yards off the road in a matter of seconds and not a soul cared. We all did it, and the ranchers appreciated it. My longest shot to date on a coyote was 507 yards. My best friend is a police chief of a suburb of Wichita, and he roadhunted a coyote with his city issued AR 2 years ago in broad daylight. The coyote had just crossed the road behind a housing division, headed up a ditch behind a berm, when he smoked it. Had to go explain his actions to a group of assisted living residents that were on the back patio watching him.
Wow, Thornton, you are an amazing specimen. Were any of those federally protected, endangered coyotes collared with real time telemetry transmitters? Did any of those events involve a cell phone (which all ranchers carry everywhere now)? Was it a felony to do what you claim? My longest shot on a coyote was 30 yards, with a bow. WTF does any of that nonsense have to do with killing a federally protected species?
Congratulations! You win the Stupid Internet Post of the day!
I'd say you win the stupid poster. I am currently monitoring a cardiac patient with an elevated troponin with telemetry light years ahead of what these stupid wolves have, and she could die and the telemetry would still appear normal for a time. Google PEA (pulseless electrical activity) if you doubt me. That's why I have her room door open and she is in my direct line of sight.
Here's some info on your 'sophisticated' wolf tracking devices lol
HUNTING FISHING OUTDOORS MAGAZINE ABOUT Search Search... Wolf Update: Tracking Collars Posted on June 17, 2022 by Travis Duncan Although collars have failed, Colorado Parks and Wildlife biologists and wildlife officers continue to monitor the wolf pack in North Park. collared wolf Collared Wolf With a pack established by two naturally migrating wolves and their litter of pups born in spring 2021 in Colorado, Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) biologists were interested in the opportunity to use and add collars as a part of our gray wolf monitoring toolkit.
Although three total tracking collars have been on members of the known wolf pack in North Park, Colorado, the collars are no longer functional.
One very high frequency (VHF) collar was deployed on wolf F1084 in Wyoming in 2017. The battery on the collar had a lifespan of 5 years and is no longer functional.
Two additional collars have been put on wolves in northern Colorado by CPW staff. Wolf 2101 had a collar attached in the spring of 2021 and wolf 2202 received a collar in the spring of 2022. Both collars had GPS (satellite) as well as VHF (radio) technology. Disappointingly, the GPS and VHF functions on both wolf collars have failed.
What are GPS and VHF collars?
GPS and VHF Collar Developed in the 1990s, GPS collars have helped revolutionize wildlife monitoring and research because they collect (and store) a high quantity of location information. They also provide information about animal movement patterns and survival.
CPW has used tracking collars for numerous wildlife monitoring and research projects in Colorado, including elk, deer, and cougars. VHF and GPS technology can even be used for transmitters deployed on birds, fish, and reptiles.
For the wolves in North Park, the GPS technology collected location points at a predetermined interval, stored them, and then communicated the data via satellite to CPW biologists. (CPW did not know exactly where a wolf was in real-time. Staff could view the newly collected location data every few days.) VHF radio collar technology has been around since the 1950s and works by the collar emitting detectable radio pulses that are transmitted on specific radio frequencies. To locate the collared animal, biological staff use equipment to detect the intensity of the radio pulses to locate the animals in the field.
While useful, tracking collars have limitations and imperfections. The lifespan of GPS collars (e.g., how long it is collecting data or transmitting a signal) depends on how much data is collected. Typically, collecting more data results in a shorter collar lifespan. The lifespan of a collar is often shorter than a wolf’s lifespan, but not always. Collars continue to collect data and can tell us when an animal has died (stopped moving), so even if an animal dies before the collar does, they are still collecting and transmitting important information.
Once on an animal, collars can fail for several reasons. For example, there may be manufacturing defects that cause the battery to prematurely fail, or the collar may stop communicating with satellites, thereby preventing GPS data from reaching biologists.
There is a tradeoff between the complexity of the collar and its longevity. The more technology that is incorporated into the collar, the increased likelihood of failure. Simpler collars may be more robust and have a longer lifespan, but limited functions (e.g., VHF only).
Additionally, collars get beaten up, chewed by animals, and can fail from being out in the elements on a wild animal.
Confirming collar failures can be challenging. Close proximity to the animal in relatively open landscapes are best for signal detection. It may require several attempts locating and detecting a collared individual to confirm its collar status.
And some more: "Although unfortunate, what happened with these collars is not all that uncommon. Importantly, CPW does not plan to collar all wolves in Colorado because it would not be possible, and collars will not provide real-time location information. This highlights the need to diversify wolf monitoring and research"
Congratulations - you can cut and paste on your phone while monitoring a cardiac patient. You are amazing!
Which brings me back...you arre supposedly a medical professional and claim to have been a LEO, and are advocating committing wildlife felonies because the chances of getting caught are less than 100% . What a dick.
It was a 'felony' to shoot the British in the face when we established this fine country. Ranchers and men with a spine will do what needs done. I think you're a yellow bellied libtard.
Interesting. Went to read a thread about wolves eating sheep, and instead found a pissing contest.
You got a glimpse into the strange mind of a nurse who shoots coyotes off the road with a rifle, who thinks he is above the law, which somehow makes him a "real man" by conflating the American Revolution with shooting a federally protected species in Colorado. And it didn't cost you anything for that entertainment!
^^^ that same federally "protected" species that is open season in ID, WY, and MT?
Not to mention the reward prices for wolves listed on the Foundation for Wildlife Management: 2023/2024 SEASON (JULY 1 - JUNE 30) REIMBURSEMENT RATES. $500 Idaho standard rate per wolf. $750 Montana standard rate per wolf. $1000 in Montana regions 1 & 2. $1000 in Idaho unit 1. IDAHO WOLF CONTROL BOARD AND COMMISSION GRANT FUNDING. Explanation:
Beating your chest on your self perceived accomplishments and arguing online with a stranger all while monitoring a cardiac patient within the line of sight. Amazing!
And to think I almost skipped reading another wolf thread. LOL.
Anyway, I disproved the wolve's laughable "telemetry technology" and then I offered analogies how easy it would be to control them if offered the opportunity. You were too dense to connect the dots. Blah blah blah, "I was deputized in "theee" counties". Here's the deal. You were a park ranger. Big whoop. How many tickets did you give for littering in the camp grounds? Must've really made you feel like a man. lol They hire retired prison workers here as part time park rangers and give them a very minimal wage. Clearly you have been affected in some way by the liberal crowd. You have zero clue on the overhead, effort, cost, and time to have ranching as a livelihood, but you certainly chow down on some beef now and then.
Actually, the ranchers dont know where the wolves are at, at any given time, unless they are seen.
My rancher friends near Walden says the warden stops by occasionally and tells them the wolves were in the area - after they have already left.
Ive also read that the tracking of the wolves cant be requested by an Open Records Request. But I need to dig into that some more
Thornton, pretty accurate except for my ranching background with raising, growing, irrigating, managing, breeding, buying and selling. You have zero clue...about any of it...
Give it a rest.
It amazes me the people that are downright scared to deal with what they believe the way they believe it should be dealt with. Many aren't. The litigation that some are so distraught about is a joke except in 1/1,000,000 instances or less. Colorado is a very remote and rugged place no matter how much some try to urbanize it. These produce VERY difficult cases to prosecute at best.
It amazes me that people don't know the first rule of Fight Club.
Well boys, it's plain to see "the third 'S' " ain't in him. Lol
LBShooter there is a management plan. Just like there was in Montana. It’s essentially a well crafted sales pitch.
But the plan will be amended via expensive lawsuits making all kinds of ludicrous claims about why the wolf population still isn’t ready to be managed by hunters. Those ludicrous claims will be determined to be valid by paid for judges regardless of the fact that we doubled tripled and quadrupled the population goals set forth in the agreement.
Their strategy is to get their foot in the door and go from there. And it has worked for them. Say your prayers.
In Colorado there is no management plan beyond introduction and monitoring. The pro wolf folks that passed the ballot initiative are adamant that its language is clear and means no recreational hunting ever and no lethal management.
The CPW had a vague plan to manage after meeting a minimum number but deleted it when the pro wolf folks said "Sorry, should have read the fine print".
Even if the Feds say we are clear to start hunting, it's a State law that the the CPW would have to test. With our current political leadership, that isn't likely.
Jaq- I own livestock, I own 2 farms, and I used to buy and and raise steers occasionally. My dad and grandfather raised Semintal and Herford cattle. My guess I'd you were simply a paid employee or ranchhand with no real vested overhead.
Nope, your guess is wrong, just like most of the rest of your garbage. I owned - myself, not with partners - and worked a ranch, bred, broke and raised high end show horses (one of which was attacked and torn up by a mountain lion, another killed by a pack of dogs, another placed 8th in the Olympics), raised some hogs, irrigated and grew alfalfa and grass hay. Had 70 horses on my place at one time, 26 of which I owned. I could only afford to hire one part timer to help so I did almost all the work myself, while keeping a full time job to pay the bills. I worked 80 hours a week between the two. So yeah, I get it. So what?
One of my best friends owned a 60,000 acre ranch where I also worked cattle for over 20 years - 900 pairs - and got to know the intimate details, logistically and financially, of big time cattle ranching because we were very close until he died in 2018. I branded, banded, clipped horns, vaccinated, fed, rounded up, shipped, got kicked and stomped many times.
Sounds like Colorado is getting what they voted for. What a mess. Sad day when ranchers can't protect their livestock
TG, as I understand it, the USFWS 10J rule will allow ranchers to kill a wolf in the act of attacking livestock or working dogs. Unfortunately, the Commission would have to approve that, and this current Commission is highly unlikely to vote yes until things get out of hand. Nothing will change until our anti-ranching, anti-hunting governor moves on and some new Commissioners are appointed.
I lived in Colorado from 1977 to 1986. I was 18 when I moved there and had the time of my life, hunting, skiing, trout fishing. I worked on the oil shale project outside of Parachute. I worked nights, 7- 10-hour shifts per week, and got off at 5am. Just in time to go hunt. Sad to hear what it has turned into. It is some beautiful country. I now live in northern Wisconsin where the wolves and liberals are really hurting the deer herd. I feel sorry for ya!
Lou, that doesn't mean a whole lot unless the rancher is present during the attack. I guess it's better than nothing
TG, exactly. More of a "sounds good" attempt at compromise with no real effect. The hope is that by the time wolves reach a problem population, we might have a more reasonable Commission and possibly a state legislature with their heads out of their asses. The first is possible. The second, highly unlikely now with this young, leftist voting demographic.
^^^ when you guys in CO figure out how to boot a looney lefist gov't out of the state, let us know down here in NM. Everything we've tried isn't working either.
DENVER—A new survey says Colorado farmers and ranchers lost about 9,000 head of sheep and lambs to predators in 2011.
The Colorado Agricultural Statistics Service conducted the survey in January. It says the 9,000 animals were worth an estimated $1.64 million.
A comparable survey in 2009 showed 16,000 sheep and lambs were lost to predators. The dollar value lost was nearly the same because sheep and lamb prices have risen.
The Colorado Agricultural Statistics Service says that overall, sheep producers lost 36,000 head to all causes in 2011, representing about $6.53 million and 6.3 percent of the supply of animals. That’s about the same number of animals lost overall in 2009 due to predators, disease, weather or other causes, representing 6 percent of the 2009 supply.
When are the powers that be going to release wolves in liberal LA.Disneyland should be the first drop site. Plenty to eat there:)
I'm just glad I'm not on a heart monitor in Kansas right now.
Jaq is there a law against harassing them up to Wyoming? We'll gladly try to help you all out legally.
Wytex- why not? You'd be in the best care available anywhere, just ask him. After all, he does have the best telemetry available while he's on bow site.
HDE- We'll never be able to boot the looney leftist as I'm sure you won't be able to either. Once the libtard cancer gets established it just grows with no cure. We will forever be a blue state unfortunately. Denver and Boulder county decide every election.
Just like Pissburgh and Filthadelphia here in Pa. The voting fraud there is horrendous. Until it's fixed, we're screwed.
The shift from red to purple to deep blue in Colorado has happened unbelievably quickly. IMO it has been a combination of Leftist migrants from other states and the Leftist shift in school curriculum over the past 20 years, indoctrinating kids who are all now voters.
Colorado State U used to have one of the top Wildlife Management programs in the country. Now that's not even offered as a major. This state is lost. But look at WY, where the Governor announced his plan to make the state "carbon negative" to appease the Woke mob.
The pendulum generally swings back. But it seems to swing back a little more Left every time. I truly believe CO will be the first state to end bowhunting.
On the subject of ranchers. In the Bighole valley in Montana ranchers were allowed to shoot wolves on site. No limit to the numbers. The wolves were killing cattle pretty regularly. They hardly killed any. They’re not stupid. Completely nocturnal when it comes to killing near civilization. .
How many people on this website have ever actually seen a wolf? Of those how many were actually in a position to be able to shoot one? My guess is that if everyone here who saw a wolf shot one it still wouldn’t make any difference. Like lions you don’t see wolves that often and when you do chances are they’ve seen you first. There’s a reason they thrive wherever they are.
In Montana, where wolf hunting is allowed, if they want to reduce the population of a certain pack, they do it with a helicopter. It’s been the only thing that actually worked. Colorado is a long way from that.
The reintro of Wolves was a genius move by the Anti hinting outfits.
It has hunters arguing amongst ourselves….on more than one forum there are guys that are supposedly hunters but are actually hack environmentalists repeating the Anti’s talking points of “endangered”, “ ecological balance” …which is all Horse Shit.
The, “It would be cool to see a wolf” crowd brainwashed by the Antis commercials with puppies totally ignores they are indiscriminate killers.
Just look at the moose population on Isle Royal or any other area they have been placed …or simply tally the amount of resources devoted to wolves that take away from everything else.
Yep, reintro was a genius move.
How many people on this website have ever actually seen a wolf?
Of those how many were actually in a position to be able to shoot one?
That’s 1, Brad.
Actually, I’m sure there are several Bowsiters who have been in Brad’s similar situation, but I’m betting that number is so low, that even if they all killed the wolves they were in position to kill, it would make little, if any dent in their numbers.
Here in Wisconsin, yes I have seen them, could I have shot them, yes. Too many here, the DNR says there are less than what there are, deer herds do not rebound where they are and the anti's just sued the DNR for the 1000 animal management plan, bunch of B.S. FYI, I hunted Colorado and would find yotes thrill killing the sheep also. Throats ripped out, no sign of feeding on them.
Beendare, my references to "endangered" were strictly from the nebulous legal aspect, and the ramifications of shooting one here as long as that designation is in place. Of course I know wolves are not even remotely "endangered" in any sense.
Our governor told a group of supporters that his goal is to "have wildlife manage wildlife". That, and his anti-hunting stacking of the Commission, pretty much echoes the attitude of the majority of urban voters in this state.
Now we have "avid hunters" speaking out publicly in support of the referendum to ban lion and bobcat hunting. We are screwed.
Sightings of those things here in NE Nevada up around the Idaho border. We have a small population of moose up in there as well. Not sure if the wolves, er I mean, big coyotes are following the moose or just making their way south. There has only been one documented tracking of a single collared wolf in the state and that was over by Reno somewhere. The wolf lovers are absolutely twitterpated over that.
For now, I think Nv is a "woops, thought it was a big coyote" state. I know there are those in our hunting community that would think it cool, but I have a feeling the local sheep and cattle ranchers will take a dim view of those things and take care of business.
I've seen a fair number of wolves, a few a year, and would have been able to shoot a number of them. But I live in the middle of the wolves in our state. Minnesota. And I'm in the woods year around. We had a season on them a few years ago but another selective law suit got a California judge to force them back on the list. Yup, California judge. Go figure. Our current Governor said if they come off the list he won't allow a season. Management by politics, not science. Wildlife Services kills roughly 250 wolves each summer that are killing livestock in this State. That's about the quota we had for a season when we had one. Strong sentiment here that we need a season on wolves and they do have an impact on the deer and moose. And of course strong sentiment to not hunt them. I wasn't born for these times!!
Brad 1, Live2Hunt 2, Who Cares 3. Yeah we’re far from population control via hunting. And you two are the minority who spends a ton of time in wolf country. Most people are lucky to spend 7-10 days in wolf country. Some none.
Wouldn’t it be cool to see a wolf? Not if it was chewing on your dog? Wouldn’t it be cool to see sharks in your neighbors pool? Hell yes….. as long as they aren’t in yours right!
The general public has no business managing wildlife. We have professionals to do that. This country is screwed. Are you going to let those voters control the future of hunting? Jesus just do what’s right! If you ever have a chance that is.
Ive already talked to people in Colorado that said "I think I saw wolf!"
I just smile and say "If you THINK you saw a wolf, you didnt see a wolf, because when you see a wolf, you KNOW its a wolf"
Probably pretty accurate, Brad. People often mistake a coyote for a wolf in a fleeting glance. and that in itslf can be a difference. Generally speaking when you come upon a coyote they escape fast, whereas a wolf may tend to stand and take a good look and leave at its own chosen speed. See that behavior difference often.
Too many "think" they saw a wolf because they desperately want to see one. I get that all the time here because we do have an occasional one wandering through from right across the border. My late wife did see the black one that was documented here a few years ago. But when I see the other wannabe "wolf" pics, they are always big male coyotes.
Best response yet. "I just smile and say "If you THINK you saw a wolf, you didnt see a wolf, because when you see a wolf, you KNOW its a wolf." Add me to the list above, for both. If you live rural, in wolf country, you will see wolves. When the coyotes leave my area, I know the wolves are present.
So yall have "trans-wolves"? Lol
I've spent as much time in the MT backcountry as most anyone over the last several years and I've yet to see a wolf. I did see one dead one a guy killed in 18' near where I was hunting. I've heard them several times but not EVER seen one. They're pretty sharp.
When they first showed up in the Bitterroot we saw them all the time. As soon as we had a hunting season you’d be lucky to see one. But…. tracks EVERYWHERE!
These people could have shot a pair from the truck. The outfitter I hunted with a couple times in Manitoba said he shot one once that was watching the road about 300 yards away. Read the commentary on this screenshot.
If and honest mistake, a person killed a wolf thinking it was a coyote, what would happen to him... I've seen some huge coyotes...
A guy killed one here in CO while coyote hunting. He turned it in right away and no charges were pressed.
LOL, yes, if you know what a wolf is, and you see one, you know it is one. I have heard a few and yes, saw 2 while hunting, and yes, they were wolves. Spend time in the public forests of WI, your going to see one, two? You are definitely going to hear them.
Not always. When a big coyote has its winter coat and it’s at a distance it’s not always easy to tell. Especially if you only get a quick glimpse. There are also some smaller wolves.
I've only seen wolves a few times in NWT and northern Quebec. There was no mistaking them. That said, wolves aren't born 100#. At some point they are 30# and in a snow storm and 2' sage, I could see mistakes being made in a quick encounter. A lady shot a husky last year she thought was a young wolf....
Yup they start as pups. Up here they reach about 50#s by August of the year. So grow fast.
Are the wolves actually collared or are the chipped? You’d never know if you saw one if there was just a chip implanted.
You do not go by size when deciding if wolf or yote, you go by the snout or feet.
I’ve seen plenty …..Most of my wolf sightings were in Alaska and canada. One in Idaho, one in the white mtns of Az. I used to bear hunt the Ak islands with a buddy out of Wrangell and we would see multiple wolves on each trip- not quite in bow range unfortunately.
Its true, If you just tromp through the woods, its doubtful you will see one. …though I’ve had them howling close coming out at night in a few spots.
For the non tracking collar comment:
Will CPW be tracking wolves in Colorado? CPW will implement a thorough post-release monitoring program to assess and modify reintroduction protocols, if necessary, to ensure the highest probability of survival and site retention for released animals. All released wolves will be monitored using satellite GPS collars, which will inform managers on survival and dispersal, as well as future release protocols. As packs establish, effort will be made to collar at least one member of each pack with emphasis on breeding adults. The desired standard will be to have two collars in each pack; whether this is achievable for every pack in the state will be determined following reintroduction.
I already posted the direct quote from the informative article stating not all wolves will have collars.
I have seen one wolf in NW Wyoming. It ran across the trail in front of me as I was driving out after scouting a drainage.
For the next two weeks while elk hunting we would hear them howl often but never seen them. The thing that surprised me was how many coyote howls we would hear in the middle of the night.
There was this morning we had a bull bugling pretty good mid morning. A few wolf howls later and the bull went silent.
There is now a contest run by the Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center to name the released wolves. Can't wait to see the "release parties" celebrated on the Denver (leftist) news channels.
We had a client shoot a wolf in Wyoming from the shitter tent!