Russia for moose. Would you?
Moose
Several years ago I put a deposit down for a moose hunt in Kamchatka for this October. Reputable outfitter, good reviews. Obviously the political climate in Russia was a little different a few years ago than it is today, but the outfitter has successfully had multiple groups of American clients come and go without incident, zero issues. So my question is: would you do it? I'm not personally too worried about it but my wife is definitely not a fan. She puts up with me going lots of places, but does not want me going to visit Putin and his gang. Understandable. I certainly don't want to become the next Brittany Griner, especially since I'm a straight white married Christian male. Pretty sure Biden would leave me there to rot rather than trade me for a Russia arms dealer. I wouldn't have a chance. So there's that. I think things will be fine, but there's always a chance of things going sideways. I am NOT traveling with a firearm (or illegal drugs), maybe my bow. I have an exit clause with the outfitter, so I can get my deposit back if I decide to back out.
What would you do?
I'd go. I went in 2018, which was definitely a different political climate. But I'd still go. I would definitely look hard at rules if you were taking medications, etc. I took some medications in 2018, but no one ever looked either. . .
I think maybe I've read too many Tom Clancy novels, but it was a little nerve-wracking at times, crossing in and out, etc. The official Russian agents at the border were a humorless lot :)
I do have a couple stories. One was an agent at airport security that let me pass through even though I set off the alarm :) And another was a 6'5" recruiting poster Russian military at an airport that pulled me out of line to check my carry-on. He kept saying "It's Ok. It's OK" And I'm thinking "Dude you're a giant. It may NOT be ok!"
Be warned that MANY of the people do not have any English, which is somewhat intimidating at times
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Russia regularly grabs American citizens and uses them as leverage to get Russian citizens released. There is no way I would set foot in Russia, Iran, or North Korea as an American citizen. Do you have a passport for any other country?
Side note, I have a friend of a friend who described going on a "moose hunt" in Russia. The Japanese guy that was with killed 3 bulls in a day from the chopper. They left 100% of the meat in the field and left with the antlers.
Definitely go. They know who are operatives and who are not. They won’t mess with a hunter
Hunting aside, why would any of us want to stimulate the Russian economy given what they are doing to the Ukranian people? No way in Hell would I go for that reason alone! My 2 cents
Landing in Petropavlovsk was a little surreal as well, as you could see many parked fighter jets and hidden (from the air, covered with dirt, trees and bushes) revetments which I'm sure were from the Cold War days. I bet I saw 15-20 fighter jets parked just while taxiing in. That's when it really hits that you're in Russia :)
Depends on how you prioritize hunting in your life and how much respect you have for those people in your life who matter to you. I would not go.
I would go to the Yukon,they just got a german resident today for gummi bears
Nope. Isnt worth the risk, nor supporting Russia.
I would go to Alaksa or the Yukon Instead.
Just my two cents.
Just walk in and say I love what your doing in that little corrupt country next door.
Just wear your MAGA hat, you'll be fine.
There is exactly nothing that would make me desire to go to Russia,
A guy might be safer in Russia than some of our diverse liberal sh_thole cities. Just saying........
I would go for a sheep hunt..... maybe I should look into that, probably some deals going on with lack of travel. I would stay on the far West side of Russia though (And yes I can get an Australian Passport, may help make me look less attractive as a target)
I don't think I would go for a moose though, lots of options for that in North America.
I have had conversations with hunters who went to Russia and had unbelievable hunts. When it came time to settle up at the end of the hunt, prices changed and "Russian inflation" occurred. The hunters are yet to receive their trophies as "Russian inflation" occurred again.
Hearing these type of stories does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about wanting to hunt Russia.
I don't need to make a "social statement" with my hunting adventures.
Fuzzy
How is that even a logical response to the OP’s question? Where did you read that he’s hoping to make a social statement? Sounds to me like he wants to kill a moose in a place that historically has big moose. Stay on topic…..
ki-ke I already responded to the OP question, second response was to this:
This is my logical response to the OP:
Saw on news today where a guy from Texas was sentenced to 21 years in a penal colony in Russia with hardly any evidence against him.
Hell no. Not worth the risk as a white United States citizen Christian male. 3 things against ya there.
I am sure you are a well traveled person, however if you haven't checked this out, might be worth it.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/RussianFederation.html
A friend went on a bear hunt there 7-8 years ago. The political climate was far better then. He said he would not go back today.
You realize flying soviet aircraft was sketchy before Feb 22 now its down right scary after sanctions. there civilian aircraft fleet is not well maintained after sanctions were impletmeted, last thing you want to do is board a jury rigged maintained plane or helicopter.
The number of domestic air craft incidents continue to escalated .
It should be an adrenaline filled trip before you even find a moose.
Your itinerary will be longer as no US or European carries are going to Russia these days.
Update insurance and will!
No way in hell at this time
That’s like asking if it’s OK to eat a Mountain House meal that was previously a mouse nest. I would book with Shawn Raymond at Yukon Big Game Outfitters.
A few years ago, yes. Not now. They are looking for Americans to hold hostage right now.
Some interesting points made. I'd still go if I could.
i would not take the risk in this political climate and with the war going on. plenty of other options. i'd be surprised if you get your money back, keep us posted.
Friend has been going salmon fishing every year till Ukraine.He spoke with the outfitter and they agreed it was not a good time to go back and returned his yearly deposit.Hoping to resume the trips but not till things improve.He loves the trips and adventure but he comments on the aircraft used for transport.He knows nothing about aircraft but noticed the condition.Says paying the balance has never been a problem. Also says the bear awareness is funny in that in Alaska the guides are kinda know it all on their approach and act like nothing will happen.In Russia at least where he has been going the guides completely ignore the bears.
Too much of my money would end up in the hands of a government bent on oppressing the free world. Screw that.
Be sure to take advantage of the free candy too!
I’m a pretty adventurous traveler and it’s a hard pass for me at this point, even if it was free.
—Jim
We're basically in a proxy war with Russia. Why would would someone even entertain the thought.
There was a group of republican congressman that spent July 4th with putin in russia.... very patriotic Americans they are..... so if you want more money to go to the Russian war machine go for it.
And only a small chance you end up being accused of espionage and end up in a hard labor camp for 20 years
I wouldnt put myself in Russia. The Risk Reward is way off.
Any trip poses risks. The risk/benefit ratio is high on this one. If your personal rating includes the valuation of risk as a positive influence on the intensity of the experience, that shifts some of the potential risk onto the benefit side. If you have "a lot to live for" ie a young family, social obligations etc you can't morally take extreme risks. If extreme risk intrinsically stresses you then you won't enjoy it. For most of my life I had family and social obligations and a certain amount of fearfulness for my own safety and comfort. At this point I'm looking at a realistic 0 to 15 years left to experience life and a low likelihood of enjoying any degree of physical comfort during that time. I still retain my intense interest in adventure and exotic wild places. If I had the chance and the money I'd stock up on anti inflammatory meds and go for it.
"Not worth the risk as a white United States citizen Christian male."
Brittney Griner was a couple of them and look where that ended...
What do you have to win? A moose. What do you have to lose? The rest of the one life you'll ever live on earth.
You have the ability to get your deposit back and go hunt moose in North America? This is a no-brainer in my books. Besides the rest of my life in the balance I've also got kids depending on me though. You literally have the ability to remove all of that risk and get the same reward......just saying.
“No go” is a “no brainer” even if You paid in full and had to swallow it all. It’s just money and it’s just a moose and the money factor is zero.
Listen to your wife on this one I'd say. No way I'd put myself in that position for a moose when there are alternative options. It may be a great adventure while you are there, but I'm sure it wont be a great time for your wife and family worrying while you are away.
We have great moose hunting here in North America, no go no brainer as others have posted
Your wife is worried and doesn't want you to go to Russia... And you ask here on Bowsite if you should go...
Do you think that little of your wife's feelings??
He did not ask if he should go. It sounds like BowmanMD is perfectly capable of making his own decisions. He asked what you would do!
Me personally, I'd go.
Brutal honesty. I love it. Thanks for the replies. I wasn’t expecting anybody to sugarcoat it. I think that the likelihood of anything bad happening is very low but certainly not zero and undoubtedly up a notch or two versus staying in North America. Is it worth the risk? Still trying to figure that one out, which is why I asked thoughts from you guys on here who have experience with this stuff. I’ll talk to the outfitter this weekend at the Western Hunt Expo and keep thinking on it. Lots to consider. And unfortunately this whole mess with the Ukraine doesn’t appear to have any end in sight for the foreseeable future. Also, for the record, my wife and I have a great relationship and her opinion DOES definitely matter so it’s an ongoing conversation we’re having (but I’m not going to let her read this! lol)
Informative thread…..after reading the links….I wouldn’t do it
I’d 100% go, but only if I could spend a few days in Saratov where my most-recently-immigrated ancestors came over from in the Ellis Island days. Since they’re nearly the only “strain” of mine to immigrate here after the 1700s I’m partial to wanting to visit Russia one day and to me it would be worth the risk. I’d definitely weigh the comments of Bake and those who had actually been there done that in the recent past heavier than those who have read an article or watched a news article on a WNBA player with drugs and said absolutely not. I don’t think straight white Christian males are the targets of Russian intelligence…. After all, Russians are typically straight white Christian males. I doubt they’d see you as a cultural enemy and would likely do the opposite, so I’m unsure why that narrative came about. I’d be waaaaay more nervous about being persecuted as a straight white Christian male in the US than I would be in Russia…
Russia doesn’t just grab U.S. citizens out of the blue. The basketball player was blatantly spitting on their laws by bringing pot into their country. She’s actually lucky she got caught in Russia and not some other country.
Anyone that is being held has an affiliation to the U.S. government. Be assured of that. Of course they and out government deny it. It’s been a game we have played for decades. And those guys knew if they got caught what would happen. They most likely got traded in a game and we’re outed by our own government.
I have a friend that went to Russia in 2021. He had an amazing hunt and killed a giant bear. I made arrangements to go the following year, but due to the circumstances over there my hunt never happened. Ive stayed in touch with the hunt planner and emailed him as recently as this January. He was still not comfortable bringing clients over there and said it would be best to continue to wait. I ended up snagging a cancellation hunt for Alaska instead.
Unless it has changed in recent years, they don’t allow bowhunting in Russia
My business partner went this last fall. Bowhunted for moose and bear. No problems on the trip other than lots of travel. He kill a giant moose and bear.
Keep in mind the current status of our airlines and recent “incidents” they’ve experienced lately. That alone is what keeps me from going anywhere I can’t drive to.
You can always go later, I would back out if I could get my money back. I am willing to put up with a LOT, and take risks, but even without your wife not being happy I would suggest back out. Happy wife happy life. This is like a second good reason to back out (wife).
Big horn sheep, vodka, tight little Russian blonds.... yes.
Moose and moose knuckles... no.
Ask Ripcord or Global Rescue if the evacuation insurance is good there. And go
This argument is funny from a logical perspective.
On the outfitted hunt side of things you have all the usual risk metrics and you could grade the trip on a scale of 1-100 and it could be 90% good, or 70% good or anything in between or all over the map. That’s just outfitting, business and hunting.
The going to Russia part is like playing Russian Roulette with a 1,000 round revolver. 999 People are going to tell you it was a great time - a thrill in fact! Whether or not you run into friends or relatives of that one really depends on your connections. Those who have gone and come back - sure - it was great. The fact that anyone else has been grabbed or that any outfitter in Russia has said they are not comfortable bringing people in says enough for me. The fact that a businessman on the other side says don’t come…..yikes. I think in NA we are so insulated from real risk that we don’t even know what we are talking about. For some reason it reminds of Mike Tyson’s quote: “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” In this case though, you’re SOL and no one is coming to help.
I bet Aleksei Navalny would have an opinion if he wasn’t dead.
No, he was assassinated in a Siberian prison by Putin.
Talked to the outfitter at the Western Hunt Expo this weekend. They had 5 groups of hunters this last fall and multiple groups last spring. Zero issues. Still thinking…
You definitely do not want to hunt moose in Siberia
Last Spring? Almost a year ago. What's happened with Russia in the last year?
Like most things. Not an issue until it becomes one
I just could not do it to my family but everyone is different in that regard. Not wrong or right, just different
Good luck no matter what you decide
You’re going or you would have long ago put it to bed.
Does whatever it is that has you questioning the decision look like it is going to go away and be a non-issue soon?
Good luck and most of all be safe. Bring home a biggun
BowmanMD, I'm not sure from your description if you are planning a bow hunt or a rifle hunt, but you did mention taking a bow. Bow hunting was not legal in Russia in the past, but lately there has been at least one successful bow hunter in Kamchatka. I don't know if that was by special permission or if Russia is now open. Can you share what you were told?
Apologies for the callout Fuzzy!
No worries and thanks for the PM. I should have referred to the comment I was replying to.
The Russian Govt just snagged another American.
And a few days ago, Medvedev, the Deputy Chairman of Russia's Joint Chiefs again threatened Kyiv, Berlin, London, Washington DC, and New York with nuclear weapons.
That's one of those deals where your outfitter is like: "yeah no problem come bow hunt Russia this is Russia we do what we want when in backcountry do not verry about it." Border agents sees a bow and decides to pull a guy aside and you don't see the light of day ever again. They spin it to make you look like a spy and now you're a chip albeit a small one in a very large game.
Always wanted to be hung as a spy. Well, hung anyway. .....
"Bow hunting was not legal in Russia in the past, but lately there has been at least one successful bow hunter in Kamchatka. I don't know if that was by special permission or if Russia is now open. Can you share what you were told?" The outfitter has taken multiple bowhunters since the first one a few years ago and they told me that there were no issues with bringing a bow. Don't even have to declare it, just include in checked luggage. Personally, I'm debating whether to bring it or not. I'd prefer to use my bow, but I also want to avoid ANYTHING that would make me stick out traveling through airports.
Unless you have Slavic or Mongol origins your going to stick out. Plus Americans smile to much & have a positive demeanor, ya your going to stick out Americanski!
I’m guessing Russia threatened nuclear attacks because NATO is knocking at their door but I could be wrong.
Boggles the mind to think anyone is even questioning this...
Ask yourself Why would you not go?
If the answer to that is going to be removed from the set of potential issues soon then have fun and go. Just be sure!!!
If not wake up and stay safe and hunt somewhere where the drama with the hunt is in the field not in your head and heart.
Wife's cool enough with it you'd go??
Thanks for the reply. There was a brief window in the early 1990s where some American bow hunters I know of successfully hunted Far East Russia. Kamchatka has been very intriguing to me ever since, but technically bow hunting became illegal, if it ever was legal. In Russia, who knows. It will definitely be an adventure hunt. If you approach it that way and you enjoy that type of adventure, then go and enjoy. Just be sure and tell us how it went!
As too just putting your bow in checked baggage and remain undetected, I had two experiences this past year in Canada where the x-ray showed my take-down recurve bow. I was accused of smuggling a crossbow in my checked baggage. As far as I can tell, crossbows were not illegal. They just were not used to seeing something like that. One agent made me unpack my bag. While I was allowed to go on unmolested, it did give me an uncomfortable feeling of "sticking out". And that was just in a mildly socialist country!
If they do make an issue of your bow, just invoke the term "Olympics". Russians apparently have great respect for the games and it worked in Moscow for getting one of those Americans through customs back in 1991. Hats off to an adventurous spirit and good luck to you, sir!
Man you've got bigger balls than I. I can't even fathom how someone would even consider it, I'd just go to Canada or Alaska and sleep like a baby; why even deal with the unnecessary stress involved? If it goes great, awesome you kill a big bull and bring it home. If it goes poorly and you get snatched up...you may never see your wife or kids again, no chance for me.
spike, the point is not why he did it. The point is that he did it at all. This is a foreign nation threatening the free world with nukes. The only countries doing this are Russia and North Korea. Both are run by autocrats who hate the USA and both arrest US citizens on BS charges.
Been there on business in the 90s, and early 2000s. No way in hell I’d go there for any reason in this political climate.
I've been offered a half price fishing trip with Oceangate in their new and improved Titan. My wife insists I go...bowsite, should I go?
Again , as I’ve stated there’s no way in hell I’d go to Russia for anything now. We’re in a proxy war with them. A woman from CA just got arrested in Russia because she had donated to a Ukrainian charity in the past. They would love to announce to the world they caught an American with a weapon in Russia
She was also a Russian citizen with dual-citizenship in the USA. More to the story than just a simple donation to a Ukrainian charity.
What dates are you going to be gone. Who is the outfitter.
End of October. Wade Lemmon Outfitting
Nice. They will have it logistically squared away and most likely any Russia political issues will be resolved by then. Seven months is a long way off.
A moose Is a great reason to go. They grow big over there like nowhere else.
I honestly doubt anything is going to be "resolved". I think that this mess between the Ukraine and Russia is going to go on for a looooong time. But I really have given this a lot of thought, and I still am. I'm not 100% in yet. But at the same time, I think it's like not going to Chicago because there are all these carjackings and murders that happen there. Or not going to LA or San Diego because everybody is homeless living on the streets doing drugs. The problems exist, but only for a very small subset and risk is very low. I know it's not the exact same since we're talking about a communist country with an unpredictable government, but normal life goes on everyday there and I really think the risk is low. We are flying from Istanbul to Moscow where we will connect and fly to Kamchatka. I'm not hanging out in Moscow or doing any sightseeing, just flying through. Visas and everything will be approved and in place before we go. I'm going through the list of previous hunters to get a feel for their experience. Still going in with both eyes wide open, but I just don't feel like the risk is that high. Obviously hoping I'm not wrong.
Russia targeting US Pats... a ballerina who reportedly gave $50 bucks to a charity that supports Ukraine. You would have to be absolutely out of your mind to attempt this.
Bowmad I clicked on your handle and it looks like you have a son? So you're legitimately debating risking never seeing your family ever again, and not only leaving them, but leaving them without YOU for an adventure in Russia to shoot a moose as opposed to getting all your money back and having an adventure in North America and shooting a moose....this is the question? I've done some dumb things in my day, but even considering your wife doesn't want you to go the fact that you're still considering it honestly blows me away.
Not to derail the thread, but makes me wonder. How many would go to Pakistan to hunt a markhor if they could? Some of the common African countries aren't very politically stable. How about Mozambique, or Zimbabwe?
That’s kinda different. While things can go sideways in those countries we aren’t in an active proxy war with them. I hunted in South Africa in 1994 when Apartheid was ended then again Zimbabwe in 1999 when Mugabe was starting his takeover of white owned lands and had zero problems but they were internal conflicts but weren’t at war with another country that USA was funding. They weren’t taking American prisoners either
Tucker Carlson seems to be quite pleased with Russia.
I can't validate this but i heard it is MDs conscience talking to him about this idea.......
It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about a moose. We're sitting in here, and I'm supposed to be the one with common sense, and we in here talking about a moose. I mean, listen, we're talking about a moose, not a person, not a job, not a family issue, we talking about a moose. Not a person Not, not … Not the kids that you love that you go out there and die for and work every day like it's your last. We talking about a moose. A moose. We talking about hunting a moose.
Not the kids, but we're talking about moose hunting, man. I mean, how silly is that? … And we talking about a moose. I know I am supposed to be here to support you. I know I'm supposed to let you lead by example... I know that............... And I'm not............. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do............ I honestly do...................... But we're talking about a moose hunt man. ..What are we talking about? . A moose? We're talking about a moose, man. We're talking about a moose hunt. Not a game.....not a game.........we talking about a moose.
We're talking about moose. We ain't talking about the family. We're talking about a moose hunt, man. When you come to me to help you, see me support don't you? You've seen me give everything I've got, right? But we're talking about moose hunting right now. We talking about a moose hunt...........
Like I said I can't validate it is accurate, it sounds a little like Allen Iverson back in the day though.
Lol, I couldn't read that without hearing it in my head as Iverson! His voice and accent perfectly! Well done... well done.
There are unhunted monsters in the Yukon. So why? I don’t think some people can fathom civilizations where they don’t value human lives. Would you go hunt moose in China or North Korea? Pakistan? And we’re not even at war with them. Well, we are but…..
Go to Russia and get a moose. However, putin is looking for more pawns to jail for currency against America. If you don’t mind sitting in a jail for a few years then go, lol .
There is a big difference between "I wouldn't go " and "you shouldn't go". I understand the first one but the second one mystfies me.
If you walked up to a guy on a standing on the railing of a tall bridge and he said he was considering taking the plunge to a possible demise and he asked if you would jump would you only tell him you wouldn't?
I had traveled to the Soviet union about 15 times as a tour guide in college when Reagan was President. With Biden as President I would never go. Once when we were driving from Leningrad a huge 400 class bull elk was standing in the road. The Russian Guide told me the russian elite had a hunting preserve nearby.
Boubound actually yes probably
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Well, I contacted the outfitter today and canceled for this fall. I'm still ok with going, but sat down and had the heart-to-heart with my wife and she was VERY strongly opposed to the whole thing. She has always been very tolerant of my passion for hunting and adventure, and has never complained or nagged. This was the first time that she has ever expressed such strong emotion about anything like this. So, even though I'm comfortable with going, I'm not comfortable going if she's not comfortable with me going. So that's it. Guess I'll be looking for another option this fall! Thanks for all the input. And now Bou can sleep well again at night knowing that I won't be jumping off a bridge or rotting in a Russian prison! (Kidding of course--I appreciate the concern from/for a fellow bowsiter!)
Great prioritization
Great things are in store for you on plan B whatever it may be.
It would have been sad to lose spousal support for your hunting passion over this. That’s priceless. Sounds like you have a first class goodnone there and she’s smart too.
I hear there's great bear hunting in North Korea.
I think that’s a wise decision. Any other time it would be a great adventure. Things could have gone ok but things could have went very bad too. May be able to pickup a cancellation deal in AK, NWT, or Yukon
Smart move.
I would reach out to Cabelas, I think I saw a cancellation Alaska Moose hunt on their site.
This is probably why I go thru so many wives. ??
Sounds like a good woman you have for a wife.
Yup! All kidding aside, smart decision! Good luck with plan B this fall.
I'll figure something out. I always look for adventures that "speak" to me and that was Russia, so I'll have to see what's next. I've done Alaska several times and the Yukon, both of which were really cool, but I'm ready for something a little different (yet preferably not a communist dictatorship). Maybe NWT? It's kind of late notice for this year, but I've got a few feelers out to see what I come up with. I still haven't heard from the outfitter yet about refunding or forwarding my deposit. I really feel bad about canceling on him with such short notice, but we had discussed from the very beginning how we could pull the plug at anytime if the political situation wasn't favorable. Hopefully he will honor that. I'll keep you posted.
So your wife agrees with us. Since you were actually considering it I think you should let her, or us, make all of your decisions. It’s Russia man!
Great, now I can pick up a nice cancellation hunt in Russia...just kidding.
Sounds like you are ahead of the game already having the wife that you have.
She's definitely a keeper and no doubt that I married way, way up. And for the record, I did NOT let her read anything on this thread!!!
Link to an article titled "An ex-KGB agent says every American that Putin can imprison is 'an asset that you can trade' as Moscow detains a US ballerina"
Probably not a good time for an American to go to Russia.
You need to do an integrity check if you consider spending a dollar in Russia. It may be small and seemingly insignificant but your actions speak so loudly we can't hear all the justifications you (and others) post.
No integrity check needed here. But if and when I do go, I'll make sure to cancel my lunch date with Putin. I'm pretty confident that the working class Russian citizens like the guides and people in the local communities aren't the problem.
Well actually some of the local people are the problem. Many support rhe "special military operation". Regardless of propaganda and controlled media that is the case for many
Controlled media soccer? Really? Look at cnn, msnbc, cbs, & abc to name just a few. 95% of the media carries the water for the democrats. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Serious idea for you Hancock. If you think Russia is better, you should move there and give up US citizenship. It is actually pretty easy to do. Go for it. Save your family from growing up in the evil US.
Serious idea Aspen Ghost. Better head back to eye doctor and get a better script. I said "95% of the media carries the water for the democrats". As a result, ALOT of it is propaganda. JB & BO let Russia walk all over Ukraine, not once but twice! Who loves Russia. As i said before, wake up and smell the coffee.
Its clear Russia treats their citizens worse than the American goverment does but its also clear our media suppresses facts and pushes propaganda. Aspen you can take your Russia comment and stick it in your @ss.
There is a massive difference between a biased media and a government-controlled media.
Again for the 3rd time i dont support russia. I support our veterens, Israel, a secure border & a strong military. Our media suppresses facts & pushs propaganda to achive a desired election outcome. Thats bad... period. For the record we are still the greatest country in the world but were not headed in the right direction at this time.
I would not go to Russia if the hunt was free. I have a friend that has dual citizenship, Poland and USA. He has a house 30 miles from Russia. He keeps trying to get me to go hunting over there with him in Poland. I have not taken up his offer. He doesn't have anything good to say about Russia when he was a kid in the 70's or now.
"There is a massive difference between a biased media and a government-controlled media. "
Really? I see no difference at all, except who exactly 'sets' the bias. Either way, objectivity is down the toilet.
