Mn legislature bill for Red Lake
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Contributors to this thread:
Michael 21-Mar-24
Brotsky 21-Mar-24
Michael 21-Mar-24
bluedog 21-Mar-24
Live2Hunt 21-Mar-24
JB 21-Mar-24
HDE 21-Mar-24
Finnman 21-Mar-24
cnelk 21-Mar-24
Scoot 21-Mar-24
Michael 21-Mar-24
TonyBear 21-Mar-24
bghunter 21-Mar-24
HDE 21-Mar-24
TonyBear 22-Mar-24
Norseman 22-Mar-24
HDE 22-Mar-24
JusPassin 23-Mar-24
Mike E 26-Mar-24
Live2Hunt 26-Mar-24
HDE 26-Mar-24
Scoot 26-Mar-24
Michael 27-Mar-24
HDE 27-Mar-24
jjs 27-Mar-24
Mike E 27-Mar-24
From: Michael
21-Mar-24
I would have posted this in the MN state forum but it doesn’t get the traffic the main forum gets.

Currently there are two bills in the MN legislature to give the non tribal portion of Red Lake back to the tribe as well as some state forest land and private land.

For those that are not aware this portion of Red Lake has a fair amount of resorts on it. There is some agricultural land that would be involved as well as private landowners.

Currently the tribe doesn’t allow any non tribal members to fish the tribal portion of Red Lake. Obviously the fishing impact is huge but the hunting access would be impacted as well.

Mn sportsman as well as the local community and land owners need all the help they can get to get these bills shot down.

From: Brotsky
21-Mar-24
All of Minnesota belonged to one tribe or another at one time. Are these legislators also willing to give up their land to the tribes or does that just apply to others?

From: Michael
21-Mar-24
This is what I sent to everyone that I could think of.

Dear NAME,

I am very concerned about the trajectory of our state, as supposed leaders here are giving away our (everyone in MN) land. We currently have, at varying stages of donation, Upper Sioux Agency State Park (1400 acres, U of MN Cloquet Forestry Center (3400 acres), White Earth State Forest (155,000 acres), Red Lake and surrounding area (48,000 acres of lake, and 84,105 acres of woodland/towns). So a total of 291,905 acres set to be given back to the tribes, that is just the starting point, and for what? And what access will every American of every race, creed and belief have after these transfers? Little to none, if we look to how they are handled currently. Please step up and do something to stop this theft of EVERYONE’S land. Or if you believe this is the right move, please lead from the front and donate you and your families land back to the tribe you believe it was stolen from.

Thanks,

NAME

From: bluedog
21-Mar-24
This would potentially affect people who've lived there 6 or 7 generations......

From: Live2Hunt
21-Mar-24
Woke society and there pipe dreams. So, some people who think of this crap really think people will be OK with giving up property's, fishing, etc. so the tribe can get there land back? Lots of stupid going around nowadays. Yes, we will all leave and give all back. Maybe take all our technology that we came up with since we came here with us. I tell all this and I will say it to you all, quit going to the tribal casino's now!!!!

From: JB
21-Mar-24
So very screwed up. Where does it end? The world was won by conquest. Can't go back and undo that. Giving them Red Lake is another step in the wrong direction. They are cherry picking certain parts of treaties. I know there are other parts that they don't want applied. Should be all or nothing.

Live2Hunt I agree completely. We also need to set up a toll booth on either side of casinos so we get some of the proceeds.

From: HDE
21-Mar-24
No tribe has any claim to any land.

From: Finnman
21-Mar-24
They get most of the elk tags too.

From: cnelk
21-Mar-24
Didn’t the Reservation fish out Red Lake several years ago?

It’s only been good fishing again the past few years

From: Scoot
21-Mar-24
cnelk- for walleyes, yes. That's absolutely what happened there. ...and our state tax dollars are what brought it back to be a good fishery again.

From: Michael
21-Mar-24
The tribe destroyed the walleye fishery on red to the point of a closure. Then came the crappy boom at the end of the crappy boom the walleye population had bounced back.

At times Red lake can have up to 10,000 fish houses on it during the ice season.

I haven’t fished Red yet but I do fish LOTW. In today’s age with wheel houses both lakes get an insane amount of pressure. If red is taken off the table LOTW is going to get hammered.

From: TonyBear
21-Mar-24
As long as Walz and Flanagan are in office with the DFL trifecta all of this kind of stuff will get rubbed stamped and approved. No public debate.. Alpha News "Fall of Minneapolis" needs to re- titled: The Fall of Minnesota.

Land was hardly stolen just like both sides had atrocities during conflicts in the 1800s. Sand Creek, Wounded Knee, Bighorn, New Ulm-MN, read some history of how bad it was.

Also visualize how WWII could have changed the world if the USA and its citizens (Tribal and Non-tribal) didn't come together to fight Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Some folks like to dream and visualize a North America without mixed Anglo-European immigration and conquest. OK, So let's say it stayed primitive until 1930s-40s, who in their right mind thinks that the Nazis and Emperor would have left North America alone? Who else but the USA could have stopped them???? The scattered primitive tribes, French trappers, various mountain men of North America? Seriously doubt it.

Fact is Treaties were signed in the 1800s and re-negotiated over time. Treaties were also made with the Confederacy, which by the way, is no longer an acknowledged government. Yes, I studied the Native Americans conflicts quite extensively in college. Alot of the information out there is wrong and pushed by radicals. State govt, GLIFWC and the Bands can properly manage fish and wildlife if they stop listening to the radicals (same type of people that caused the trouble on both sides in the 1800s).

From: bghunter
21-Mar-24
Just hope the French don't get a crazy idea and say the Louisiana Treaty was unfair and would like to renegotiate.

From: HDE
21-Mar-24
Wonder what North America would've been like without mixed Oriental-Asian migration...

From: TonyBear
22-Mar-24
Exactly HDE, exactly. Can't fantasize about what ifs as a that is not dealing with reality and is counter productive. No one living today was directly involved in Native American Treaty negotiations, Anglo-European immigration and conquest of North America.

Before that the Aleutian bridge theory holds up as ancient Jormon (Japanese) DNA shows up in certain Native American tribes.

From: Norseman
22-Mar-24
Didn't the Ojibwe run out the Sioux (Dakota) out of Red Lake area in the mid 1700’s?

From: HDE
22-Mar-24
Most tribes in the USA came north, not south.

And it wasn't all that long ago...

From: JusPassin
23-Mar-24
The conquered must adapt to the conquerors, to try to reverse history is never going to end well.

From: Mike E
26-Mar-24
It sucks don't it when someone wants what you have and they have the ability to take it. Maybe it'll be a comfort though that's it's the same government that did it to someone else 200 years ago. Big difference is then those people needed the land and it's resources for food, shelter, clothing and were willing to die to keep it. Won't see any of that in this case.

From: Live2Hunt
26-Mar-24
Mike, you can give them your stuff/property/etc. if it makes you feel better!!!

From: HDE
26-Mar-24
Mike E, they don't have the ability to take. It's cluelessly being "given" away...

From: Scoot
26-Mar-24
HDE, I'd argue that the real cluelessness here is in the voting in MN. Idiots vote for idiots who push idiotic things like this down our throats.

From: Michael
27-Mar-24
To add to it now Dems are pushing to turn the Tamarac refuge over to the natives. The refuge lands were purchased with federal waterfowl stamp dollars.

https://www.wctrib.com/news/minnesota/white-earth-working-on-agreement-with-feds-over-future-of-tamarac-national-wildlife-refuge

From: HDE
27-Mar-24
^^^ to be held in public trust. No treaty with any tribe should be in force today. They are no longer a foreign entity the way they once were...

From: jjs
27-Mar-24
I have an old cabin on Upper Red and the Tribe would do me a favor in buying it, just built a new out house last year and that should greatly increase the price. The Tribe has been after the total control for the lake for awhile. Upper Red can be tough to fish in the boat season, the deepest is 16 ft and the wind can blow you off at times, ice fishing does.not have the problem but extreme below temps at times.

I do not think many land owners would will stand for this. This action can lead to taking Leech, Cass , Milac and all the other lakes in the north. Unfortunately the Twin Cities (San Francisco) liberals have the control of the state, about ready to return to my home state of Iowa.

The reservations could be ended by the POTUS pleasure and be done with separate nation within the nation.

From: Mike E
27-Mar-24
I wasn't clear in making my point. Which is with all talk the last few years about reparations, equity and The Green New Deal, changing sports teams names, tearing down statues, burning neighborhoods and on and on. It will be much easier for the gov't to start taking whatever they want and giving to whoever they want. No is going to buy it although the state/feds might give some compensation (taxpayer money) for private property. but if you had no intention of selling and moving who cares.

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