RFK Jr & Shanahan = ?
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JQM 02-Apr-24
BowSniper 02-Apr-24
Dale06 02-Apr-24
sundowner 02-Apr-24
Zbone 02-Apr-24
JQM 02-Apr-24
MichaelArnette 03-Apr-24
JQM 03-Apr-24
spike78 03-Apr-24
DanaC 03-Apr-24
spike78 03-Apr-24
Pete In Fairbanks 03-Apr-24
JQM 03-Apr-24
Will tell 03-Apr-24
DanaC 03-Apr-24
Shaft2Long 09-Apr-24
JQM 09-Apr-24
IdyllwildArcher 10-Apr-24
12yards 10-Apr-24
Will 10-Apr-24
JQM 10-Apr-24
Bob H in NH 10-Apr-24
sundowner 10-Apr-24
drycreek 10-Apr-24
BoggsBowhunts 10-Apr-24
TGbow 10-Apr-24
drycreek 10-Apr-24
DConcrete 10-Apr-24
BoggsBowhunts 10-Apr-24
DConcrete 10-Apr-24
DConcrete 10-Apr-24
Grey Ghost 10-Apr-24
JQM 10-Apr-24
Will 10-Apr-24
IdyllwildArcher 10-Apr-24
ScoutII 11-Apr-24
elkmtngear 11-Apr-24
12yards 11-Apr-24
Bigwdswanderer 11-Apr-24
JQM 11-Apr-24
12yards 11-Apr-24
Bowfreak 11-Apr-24
From: JQM
02-Apr-24
With RFK now likely to get on every state ballot after naming a VP. Will far left Nichole Shanahan (GoogleGirl) pull even more votes away from Joe Biden?

How does this factor into the Joe Team's plan to win these Battle ground states? JQM

From: BowSniper
02-Apr-24
The Biden team will do everything they can to keep RFK from ever making the debate stage. And use the liberal media to attack and destroy his character. No one hates free and fair elections more than democrats.

From: Dale06
02-Apr-24
Do you think there will be a debate stage? I don’t.

From: sundowner
02-Apr-24
I just hope RFK is the direct, traceable cause of a biden loss in Novembe. And I hope it is intentional.

From: Zbone
02-Apr-24
I don't believe there'll be a debate stage neither and also I totally agree sundowner...

From: JQM
02-Apr-24
All he has to do is take Wisc away from Joe.

What fascinates me he grabbed a far left wing bomber to run with him thereby really going after Joe's base. RFK Jr when asked, " whose the bigger threat to democracy?, He replied Joe Biden".

Dem's not putting Joe anywhere in front of 180 millions voters live without a cut feed lanyard, no F,ing way. JQM

03-Apr-24
Did any of you listen to her full speech?

From: JQM
03-Apr-24
Sure, She is one Crazy Bay Area Snowflake with big $. "Kiss the Ground"?

She is the ulitimate Wood Booger from San Fran. She was picked to grab the Eco Climate Change Liberal Whackadoodle.

"I'm leaving Dem Party" but running for their votes. She is right the Dem party is toast.

You must be talking where she thru in the Hunter comment she made. Make no mistake she is a pure Wolfer and would take your hunting rights away at the drop of a hat. JQM

From: spike78
03-Apr-24
Read a news headline that said Tulsi Gabbard turned him down for VP but not sure if that was true or not. Yeah he made a bad pick for sure.

From: DanaC
03-Apr-24
*He* is not a good pick, so how could he make one? Shanahan is investing a lot of her own money for future visibility and pull. Bet on it, she won't just vanish after the election.

From: spike78
03-Apr-24
Dana he may not be but I’d take him over Biden any day.

03-Apr-24
They will certainly challenge Biden for the coveted "whackadoodle" vote!

It is difficult to discern which candidates are the nuttier: Biden or RFK

Pete

From: JQM
03-Apr-24
DJT team couldn't have asked for RFK Jr to pick a better Lib Dem vote grabber.

Her early remarks were she knows war and peace from El Sal. Comical statement at best and no sooner than she spit that out she says she's left the Dem ballroom for good.

It would not surprise me if DJT offers RFK a job during a debate. Joe not going to debate period. RFK will but not going to go Nuke Whackadoodle with DJT in front of the world on debate stage.

Dana the would be her ex husbands $ JQM

From: Will tell
03-Apr-24
There are a lot of people who believe that Kennedy is going to get more DJT votes than Biden votes.

From: DanaC
03-Apr-24
^^ and vice versa >;-)

November will tell.

From: Shaft2Long
09-Apr-24
It is too bad the results of these elections have such dire consequences because politics are actually interesting and entertaining now.

From: JQM
09-Apr-24
Poor Joebama team is really trying got keep RFK of the ballot in Wisc, Mi, PA, NV, AZ, NC. Since he pickup a VP he's going to be a most ballots soon. He should have same opportunity as any other. Last go round there were about 20 names on my ballot. Why not. JQM

Wilt younglings leaving the Joe Bro's in droves they will either not come out or jump the RFK Bus. JQM

09-Apr-24
”Poor Joebama team is really trying got keep RFK of the ballot in Wisc, Mi, PA, NV, AZ, NC.”

not to worry. the lefties that are constantly whining about voter suppression will be screaming from the rooftops about letting every voter have a choice. :)

10-Apr-24

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From: 12yards
10-Apr-24
"There are a lot of people who believe that Kennedy is going to get more DJT votes than Biden votes."

I don't think so. I was seriously considering RFK, Jr. until he chose his VP.

From: Will
10-Apr-24
I always come back to this: overall, the massive majority of folks I bump into who say anything remotely positive about the guy are MAGA Trump lovers. Given his (RFKjr) campaign seems to be telling folks they would rather see DJT win than Biden, it feels hard to believe he pulls more Biden voters than Trump.

That said, I strongly encourage everyone who has considered Trump to vote RFKjr. He basically agrees with Trump on stuff but wants a cleaner environment than Trump. So you get healthier lands/waters for hunting and fishing, and a lot of Trumpist ideas. Again, PLEASE vote RFKjr if you were thinking about voting for Trump. Do it. It would be better and it will really "Own the Libs" - so that's a win too! DO IT!

From: JQM
10-Apr-24
Younguns I bump into at the Watering hole all are like F Joe Biden. Not voting or RFK "all the way".

Joe has torched everything hes touched. When Israel goes into Rafa and Joe trys to leverage then UN to sanction the Jews that place is going to burst. JQM

From: Bob H in NH
10-Apr-24
This is a different 3rd party run. This one might be viewed as "anyone other than those 2"

Net wffect will be that its impossible to say which side he hurts the most

From: sundowner
10-Apr-24
"Net wffect will be that its impossible to say which side he hurts the most"

No Trump-supporting American patriot will vote for RFK. He's a radical "green" lefty, just as crazy as Obama and whoever biden's puppeteer are.

From: drycreek
10-Apr-24
No way in hell will I vote for Kennedy, he’s a Democrat in Independent clothing. All you have to know is who he chose for a running mate.

10-Apr-24
It’s surprising to me how many hunters, who spend countless hours outdoors and rely on a clean environment in order to enjoy their pastime, don’t care at all about candidate opinions on environmental preservation and scoff at those who express interest in protecting the outdoors. If anybody should be pro-environmentalist candidates, it’s hunters and farmers…

From: TGbow
10-Apr-24
There's a big difference between conservation and common sense environmentalism vs wack jobs that want to control what light bulbs you use.

From: drycreek
10-Apr-24
Boggs, it may be because environmentalists of the far left are mostly nut jobs. It gets to be a religion with them. Just a thought.

From: DConcrete
10-Apr-24
It’s even more amazing to me to see people actually buy that the environmentalist supports his right to hunt. It’s even more perplexing to see that you believe that what they’re doing for the environment is beneficial. When In reality, it’s not.

Look no further than DEF for diesel engines. Look at what bureaucracy and regulation does. It doesn’t help. But I guess if you bury your head far enough in the sand, you can get a feel good badge of honor

10-Apr-24
If you guys actually looked into what RFK has done in the courtroom for outdoorsmen you’d know it’s not the DEF-like AOC Green New Deal nonsense. A great deal of his lawsuits have been filed on behalf of commercial fishermen and stakeholders of river economies. Sadly, most Republicans hear that someone supports preserving nature and automatically assumes they’re AOC. Very sad and confusing to me that because someone is conservative they assume that someone that doesn’t want flammable rivers is the enemy, especially when those people get the majority of their hobby/enjoyment from the outdoors… Very weird groupthink from the right and it’s the same path that led the left so far in the opposite direction in regard to trans issues and nonsense like that. There’s a big gap between supporting environmental regulation/not wanting our rivers to be flammable and thinking that cow farts are the devil/solar panels blanketing thousands of acrew are a good thing. Don’t confuse one with the other and I’d urge you to actually listen to RFKs environmental stances before jumping to the wrong conclusion that he falls into the second category… big R Republican outdoorsmen are gonna “I ain’t no librul” themselves into having no hunting access and no clean waters before they’ll realize that maybe some public land organizations and environmental activists are right on a few things… keyword FEW.

From: DConcrete
10-Apr-24
If you still Believe those birds aren’t flocking together, good on you little buddy.

The fact is, he’s just as dirty as any other lawyer, or politician, republican or democrat.

Additionally, don’t assume I’m republican.

You’d be wrong.

From: DConcrete
10-Apr-24
And he’s also a hard no for me with his stance on Ar-15’s. He’s said he’d sign any ban that came his way.

That’s a hard no for me. Non negotiable.

From: Grey Ghost
10-Apr-24
Boggs, I couldn't agree with you more.

From: JQM
10-Apr-24
I agree as well. I dont know a farmer that's voting RFK most are still flying 2106 Trump flags for as far as i can see.

The VP of RFK is a Unicorns and Rainbows chaser. She was purposely picked her to grab the far lefts vote or he would have picked a Joe Lieberman type centrist candidate. JQM

From: Will
10-Apr-24
This is the thing. 99.99999999999999% of the humans on the forum range from solidly to the right all the way out to "We should have a king" right. That's the same population I see liking RFKjr. I'm reading that far left folks may like is environmental stuff... But the rest of it is like listening to DJT on a bunch of issues - but weirdly more coherent. That drives most lefties off. After his NY State chair gave a talk to NY State R's openly noting the whole point is to beat Biden, and they would rather have DJT as pres... On film... Shared everywhere in lefty world... Why would many lefties vote for the guy?

He has made a literal career of being and anti science anti vaccine honk. Yes, he has been a successful lawyer. What drives his "fame" if you will... it's his work as an antivaccine honk. His own family despises his message, positions, and running. His VP openly thinks sunshine will cure womens fertility issues. These are not serious positions by people trying to work on big challenges facing the world.

In short, they are not serious candidates and on many important issues are more MAGA than Democrat.

So, could he draw a few Biden votes. Sure.

But I'm telling you guys, if you think he doesn't snatch as many or more DJT votes... I think you are in for a surprise.

Maybe I'm wrong. And I'd like him to crawl into the void and never bother the world again, frankly. But the view from the center to the far left world would sure suggest the guy draws more MAGA folks than Democrats.

10-Apr-24
The outlandish disproved garbage I've heard come out of his own mouth about vaccines disqualifies him from my vote. AFAIC, he is a conspiracy theorist who smokes too much weed.

Will, the things that would make me disagree with your hunch, are that 1) when polls are done by both sides of the political-polling-isle, there are several states that swing towards Trump when RFK is added to the choices and 2) there are a lot of stoners out there who speak his language and would never vote for Trump, but also don't want to vote for Biden again because of his dementia.

Also, there's a bunch of Gen Z kids who are super liberal and see Biden as an oppressor because of Israel/Palestine.

11-Apr-24
"Very sad and confusing to me that because someone is conservative they assume that someone that doesn’t want flammable rivers is the enemy, especially when those people get the majority of their hobby/enjoyment from the outdoors…"

its not confusing to me at all. if the only thing that mattered was his position on flammable rivers...it would be one thing. but its not...not even close.

every candidate has some redeeming factor(s)...and no candidate is wrong on everything. its the totality of their positions that matter.

single issue voters confuse me more.

From: ScoutII
11-Apr-24
Not sure why he picked her. He is suppose to be a middle of the road Democrat. She is off the charts Liberal. They helped Trump get re-elected. In my opinion thats a good thing.

From: elkmtngear
11-Apr-24
I think RFK honestly cares about the future of the USA, and he doesn't like the way that things are going right now.

He knows he will only pull maybe 15 percent of the vote. So, his VP pick makes total sense, if his agenda was/is to "save the Nation".

From: 12yards
11-Apr-24
BoggsBowhunts, and equally as amazing is that there are people with groupthink that think that voting conservative means that rivers will be burning. Crazy huh?

11-Apr-24
Boggs= excellent point

From: JQM
11-Apr-24
RFK is a stand up guy for sure. So was TR and his third party run did how well?

No question some Nevah's will vote for RFK but if the last couple weeks is any indicator some of the Big Neveah's know now JDT is who they got to strap in with or some industires are going to go keel up or get bled out to the point on insolvency.

Kinda evident by his one night dinner party taking in 50 mil. Im thinking once DJT is back there is going to be some building and construction, pipline, mines, etc going in. Where im putting my bets. JQM

11-Apr-24
its interesting how people say that rfk jr is such a stand up guy...but seem to forget about his past....or maybe they just arent old enough to remember it.

that's not to say that people should be forever bound by the mistakes and criminality of their past...but if they arent...that should probably apply to everyone.

From: 12yards
11-Apr-24
I said I'd not vote for DJT again, but I'm probably going to go back on my word. He's the best option by far.

From: Bowfreak
11-Apr-24
I advise anyone on the fence about voting for RFK to do so. I'll take my chances on who your vote impacts negatively.

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