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Contributors to this thread:
DRR324 10-May-24
DRR324 10-May-24
fdp 10-May-24
Recurve Man 10-May-24
HUNT MAN 10-May-24
ILbowhntr 10-May-24
Recurve Man 10-May-24
t-roy 10-May-24
Matt 10-May-24
IdyllwildArcher 10-May-24
KB 11-May-24
Scoot 11-May-24
Bou'bound 11-May-24
Quinn @work 11-May-24
DanaC 11-May-24
Boreal 11-May-24
Buskill 11-May-24
RonP 11-May-24
Shug 11-May-24
Robear 11-May-24
Thornton 11-May-24
DRR324 11-May-24
BC173 11-May-24
Tobpitbull 11-May-24
Robear 11-May-24
beemann 11-May-24
Supernaut 11-May-24
scentman 11-May-24
Orion 11-May-24
bigswivle 11-May-24
JohnMC 11-May-24
Jaquomo 11-May-24
Lucas 11-May-24
Grey Ghost 11-May-24
JohnMC 11-May-24
Dale06 11-May-24
Slate 11-May-24
Starfire 12-May-24
Shug 12-May-24
Orion 12-May-24
BOHNTR 12-May-24
BOHNTR 12-May-24
Orion 12-May-24
BOHNTR 12-May-24
Robear 14-May-24
Bou'bound 14-May-24
Robear 14-May-24
APauls 14-May-24
Corax_latrans 14-May-24
scentman 14-May-24
Mint 14-May-24
samman 14-May-24
TonyBear 14-May-24
Robear 14-May-24
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From: DRR324
10-May-24
https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/cj-alexander-indicted/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1yIejmguE3T7zyR6mgYnWCRF2--yrOZUa5pqMwJjhPchZEIflM9Cf8eCU_aem_Ab0NWmpaYw1aKCcoJ0SPSyjocoGHYNoDedctG45jeW4AInlzUujj0x7sMfepli1VQvYPxTg4ss90VnuZ31HGHtUd

From: DRR324
10-May-24
Sorry the link didn’t post, tried doing it off my phone. Got to be one of the best liars around, but can’t believe he got the others to follow along and screwed all of them for the rest of their lives…

From: fdp
10-May-24

fdp's Link

From: Recurve Man
10-May-24
Once again proving why none of my deer are in B/C or P/Y. There are way to many illegal deer in the record books that where not taken by legal method. I will not categorize myself with those people. I would bet 30-45% of deer registered are illegal.

Shane

From: HUNT MAN
10-May-24
33 percent to be exact .

What a stupid statement !!!

From: ILbowhntr
10-May-24
Shane, where did you come up with that number? Pull it out of your…..?

From: Recurve Man
10-May-24
Hunt if you’d ever killed any big WT you’d understand. Honestly probably fairly accurate.

Shane

From: t-roy
10-May-24
That’s total bull$hit, Recurve Man. I’m certain there’s a decent number that were not totally on the up n up, but 1/3 or more is ridiculous.

From: Matt
10-May-24
There are a bunch of blacktails in the P&Y book that have been taken in violation of CA regulations (baiting), which would constitute a violation of the Lacy Act. For years I have hoped the state would pursue it.

10-May-24
30-45%? You are out of your gourd.

From: KB
11-May-24
Man, what a deal. Guy is in the comments of OL’s Instagram post still carrying on that he’s innocent and posting half ass screenshots that supposedly prove he had a license. All while some fellow that apparently knows him is calling him out on his meth teeth...

Whitetails make folks go wild.

From: Scoot
11-May-24
Recurve Man- Any other unsubstantiated and idiotic statements you'd like to grace us with?

Matt- records of all sort have some percentage that were probably taken illegally. You were obviously smart enough to not assign some idiotic percentage with your statement. But I'm not sure of your point?

From: Bou'bound
11-May-24
How does you doing it legally make it dirty because some others don’t.

That’s like saying someone won’t drive because other people speed and they don’t want to be mixed in with law breakers.

From: Quinn @work
11-May-24
I can still see CJ in one of his podcast with a dip in his lip and spitting in a cup saying how are the haters were wrong. Rot in hell CJ.

From: DanaC
11-May-24
And yet people wonder why I say we should bring back public flogging...

From: Boreal
11-May-24
It's a fact that 87.2% of quoted statistics are completely fabricated.

From: Buskill
11-May-24
I know nothing about this case, but I did notice that he’s not been convicted of anything according to that article. Any chance he’s innocent ? Or is it like that Hollywood Buck story in Va where it was pretty much open n shut?

From: RonP
11-May-24
someone was posting last night after one too many beers.

for now, he is innocent as i read the article. the cell phone data as well as the alleged forged permission note to hunt his sister's land will be hard to overcome. if true, she would have to lie under oath as would the others that allegedly assisted him.

is a permission note really needed to hunt family land?

i hope he is innocent, but as we know it wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last that someone loses their mind when it comes to wanting recognition for killing a record book animal. the guy stuffing lead weights in fish has to be near the top of all-time stupid.

From: Shug
11-May-24
Yea HUNT kill something big…. Then you can talk!! The same goes for 34.6% of the rest of you idiots

From: Robear
11-May-24

Robear's Link
Here is the link to the thread when the news broke about the investigation. Kinda fun now to go back and read now that he has been indicted.

From: Thornton
11-May-24
I don't think you have to kill something big to have an idea that poaching is rampant. I guided the former owners of Bowhunting Safari Consultants and some of their wealthy hunters broke the law. They didn't kill anything, but it was obvious of their usual way of doing things. I can think of 3, 200+" whitetails killed around here in the last 20 years that were either shot after shooting light with a bow or ran down in open country draws with a truckload of rednecks in a 4x4. Heck, even Hanson's buck is reminiscent of that method. When I hunted Manitoba, that type of hunting is commonplace.

From: DRR324
11-May-24
Sorry the link didn’t post, tried doing it off my phone. Got to be one of the best liars around, but can’t believe he got the others to follow along and screwed all of them for the rest of their lives…

From: BC173
11-May-24
I don’t believe Shane’s estimate is accurate but I do believe the accurate number would be higher than most would want to believe.

11-May-24
Lots of speculation in the article but he’s not been found guilty… time will tell

From: Robear
11-May-24

Robear's Link
Here is the news release from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office. He didn’t even bother to get a hunting license or deer tag, and still tried to pull this off? Good grief.

From: beemann
11-May-24
Article says no hunting license and no deer permit. Shouldn't be hard to prove. Apparently hes not a brain surgeon.

From: Supernaut
11-May-24
Heck of a buck and a bummer if it was killed illegally.

Sounds like the law in OH has their ducks in a row. Have to wait and see how it shakes out.

From: scentman
11-May-24
All he needs to do is register Democrat, lie under oath... nothing to see here. scentman

From: Orion
11-May-24
I would bet the percentage is even higher than stated. Heck almost every mountian lion in pope and young shouldn't be entered by their rules of fair chase and their fair chase affidavit. THE RULES OF FAIR CHASE

Download Fair Chase Affidavit (1/1/2023) The term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:

Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice. From any power vehicle or power boat. By “jacklighting” or shining at night. By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons. While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures. By the use of any power vehicle or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground. By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow. Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable.

From: bigswivle
11-May-24
What an idiot. It’s amazing what big deer do to people.

From: JohnMC
11-May-24
Reading between the lines. It sounds like he killed 3 deer they know of and had a tag for one possibly??

From: Jaquomo
11-May-24
Looks Amish. Maybe we need another thread about Amish crossbow hunters? Haven't had one of those for awhile.

From: Lucas
11-May-24
A shame about the buck, seems like a slam dunk of a case against him. As to the number of entries into Pope and Young that are ineligible I am sure there are some, but most are hard working guys that have a single entry. The Lion thing is absolutely something the membership should address, a good lion hound costs a couple grand before you feed it, it's crazy to think that the dogs owner isn't going to use a GPS collar to protect that. The club shoud make a change to that rule for lion hunting.

From: Grey Ghost
11-May-24
The trophy scoring clubs have gotten exactly the predictable results. Should be no surprise to anyone.

From: JohnMC
11-May-24
The dogs can be e collared just not used to track them during chase for pope and young.

From: Dale06
11-May-24
What Grey Ghost said is spot on. The “record books” are supposedly to honor the animal. But the hunters name is in the book.

From: Slate
11-May-24
Shug you drinking :-)

From: Starfire
12-May-24
Actually, having an animal registered into P&Y or B&C raises the bar as they will investigate if fair chair is violated (which sometimes exceeds state laws). I once asked a P&Y official about a famous hunter who had a reputation for taking deer after hours. The P&Y official said they have never investigated the person because they never registered any of their animals in P&Y.

From: Shug
12-May-24
Todd…. Always

From: Orion
12-May-24
The Hanson buck was chased with a truck pretty sure the standards aren't that high anymore. How many apple baited Utah bucks are in Pope and Young?

From: BOHNTR
12-May-24
Probably a few since it was legal (until recently) in UT and both B&C and P&Y currently allow bait to be used where legal. May even be more in B&C than P&Y???

From: BOHNTR
12-May-24
Probably a few since it was legal (until recently) in UT and both B&C and P&Y currently allow bait to be used where legal. May even be more in B&C than P&Y???

From: Orion
12-May-24
Yeah probably, still not sure how dumping piles of apples on the Paunsaugnant aligns with both clubs ethics, but hey as long as their name is in the book

From: BOHNTR
12-May-24
I can see where it is looked poorly upon by some. I don’t personally choose to hunt that way, but I won’t judge those that do, providing it’s legal. The record keeping/conservation organizations will never make everybody happy.

From: Robear
14-May-24

Robear's Link
This guys explains all the charges very well. Actually includes another 150 inch deer that he poached.

From: Bou'bound
14-May-24
Too bad it’s on tick tock

From: Robear
14-May-24
*TikTok* Bou

From: APauls
14-May-24
Yikes. Everyone came out to play for this thread.

14-May-24
“The record keeping/conservation organizations will never make everybody happy.”

I read somewhere that Teddy Roosevelt believed that tree stands were Unsporting, so you have to wonder if current standards would cut it with the founders…. But of course TR thought that shooting at animals a quarter mile away (with iron sights) was great Sport, especially if you were riding at a full gallop….. So times do change….

I have to wonder what Pope & Young themselves would make of the arms race that bowhunting has become…. I think they’d say it’s kind of missing the point of the exercise… but that’s just me…

From: scentman
14-May-24
Adam, I had to look at the date, I thought this was a vintage thread! lol, scentman.

From: Mint
14-May-24
Unfortunately whenever a nice deer gets taken by me I always wait until I hear the full story. Sad to say illegal baiting is rampant with no enforcement so more and more hunters feel they have to bait to get a nice buck. It's a real shame and I have no problem at all with baiting as long as it's legal.

From: samman
14-May-24
If guilty he could face a $30K plus fine. Ouch! Pretty big gamble for fame.

From: TonyBear
14-May-24
Since Jacklighting is in the charges I am guessing that in itself is poaching. I don't know of any place where bowhunting for deer is legal at night with a spotlight.

From: Robear
14-May-24
In Ohio Jacklighting is using a light to “shine” for deer. It is illegal to do even with headlights. No weapon needs to be present. I believe that’s what he is being charged with on that particular one.

From: Robear
20-May-24

Robear's Link
In the Columbus Ohio newspaper yesterday.

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