Iowa ends NR party hunting
Whitetail Deer
Just saw this post from Steve Hanson.
I think it should end for residents as well.
I wasn't aware this practice was still allowed anywhere.
Wisconsin it’s terribly abused in the gun season
Hmm...never heard of such a regulation. I can sure see how it could be abused for sure.
So if you are an out of stater, who's back home, or visiting and hunting with relatives you can't party-hunt with them?
tough luck for the outfitters and TV show hosts as it should be its been abused for years
as far as banning it for residents-its tradition for many years and many groups usually including the farmer landowners-banning it would be like banning other social hunting whats next doves,coyotes? Deer dogs in the South? Just because you dont like it doesnt trump generations of tradition.
of course you can but you can only shoot what you have a tag for-no more shooting 2 bucks when you have a doe tag and having friends run buy an otc resident tag to slap on it
Correct. I have implemented the exact scenario with my kids over the past 15 years as they hunted with my dad who’s now 75. Lots of great memories and my family that lives down thier had a place to go with thier extra venison as they only wanted a deer or two each year, but being farmers they wanted them all dead. Lots of horse headed does got a ride back to Wisconsin with us. Was nice because we could be a little choosier on our early fall hunts because we knew we’d always have as many deer as we wanted to butcher- and we could do them all at once. They had a heck of a time selling those doe tags before- can’t imagine now. On the negative side for the NR shotgun hunters thier will be ALOT more guys buying points creating sand bagging and point creep. The world of out of state hunting is ever changing and never for the good- feel bad for my grand kids 20 years from now.
FYI- my kids build points to archery hunt, and hunted the gun season on years they did t draw. Not interested in a $700 gun tag
"Just because you dont like it doesnt trump generations of tradition."
Generations? Party hunting hasn't always been legal for residents. I don't remember what year it was made legal but it wasn't generations ago.
Lot's of deer hunting "traditions" have been reversed or changed over time. No practice is automatically sacred under the claim of tradition. Various states have made drastic changes to long-standing "traditions". A few that come to mind......crossbow use in archery seasons, center-fire rifles in formerly slug-only seasons, the killing of does, youth deer hunts before any other seasons open, using dogs to track wounded game, banning and/or allowing various kinds of electronics, one-buck rule, antler restrictions. The list is larger. Considering all the states and provinces where whitetailed deer are hunted, legalized party hunting is pretty rare. It's actually kinda shocking that it's still legal in any form, anywhere.
Surprised Iowa even issues NR doe tags valid during an antlered season to folks who don’t draw a buck tag. Kansas does not.
I know it gets abused in MN as well. Wouldn’t say it’s a nonresident issue but there have been plenty of spousal tags bought by a spouse that doesn’t even hunt.
The question, as always, is whether those who behave lawfully and within the spirit of the law should be punished alongside/because of those who abuse the system? In principle, one might ask if law-abiding gun owners should be prevented from owning a particular type of firearm because some people use them inappropriately…?
Me, I grew up in CO, where it is not permitted, so I always figured that a guy who would fill your tag for you would be about as welcome in a camp as a guy would offer to sleep with your wife for you….
But in MN, when doe tags were by draw, we usually had one or two in camp and after opening morning (rifle), anyone who had a shot was welcome to fill one of the doe tags if he was inclined to do so.
There were always more buck tags in camp than we could fill, of course….
But if there is competition for a tag, that should disqualify it for party hunting purposes. Duh. No sense limiting the number of tags to be filled if you’re not limiting the number of hunters looking to fill them…..
Midwest I'm Iowa born raised and educated and still have a family place there.Resident party hunting has been in place my whole life as I remember and I'm 63.
Irregardless it's a smart move for NR imo and I'm one of those NR now.
How does party hunting get abused? We don't have it in PA.
Happens in CO and WY with elk too. I run into groups of NRs all the time who will admit that they have a few cheap cow tags or no tag, but one or two have bull tags. One regular group of seven from WI staggers points so one or two draw every year. But they all leave camp with bows and bugles.
Since I haven't seen a game warden in the field in either state during hunting season for probably 10 years, the chances of getting caught are pretty slim.
Jethro, non-resident hunters buy NR doe tags and then shoot bucks and have their cousin slap a resident buck tag on it. It's a way for a NR to hunt antlered deer without and antlered deer license.
Brotsky, prior to this year would that have been legal? With a few guys saying it gets abused I was trying to think how hunters would break the law with such a liberal rule.
I am a member of the Iowa Bowhunter's Assoc. Despite the fact I live in Indiana. I could care less about the lame “tradition” BS. Party hunting universally sucks and should be totally banned for all hunters R & NR in all states, for MANY reasons. It’s dangerous and ripe for abuse.
Just tried to lookup some YouTube deer drives I seen at Lake Rathbun, but they were nowhere to be found. It doesn’t surprise me because those videos were so egregious I could not believe they were even allowed to be posted. Freakin hillbilly’s.
Guys will abuse everything. You can't manage it. Here in Manitoba we get groups of guys going elk hunting where one guy has an elk tag and the rest are "deer hunting." They all go winging arrows at elk and wound a few and collect one and go home happy.
“Guys will abuse everything. You can't manage it.” - I totally disagree. CO’s recently busted a big group of 20 surrounding the archery only public property we hunt. Often these activities are broadcast far & wide for all to hear. Without a doubt in the Rathbun fiasco.
On top of that, it only takes one ethical hunter to blow the whistle and bust a violation. I have done it three times myself on poachers.
Poachers gonna poach. I don’t know what makes otherwise mostly honest people to break game laws, but the new rule will be ignored by some.
Jethro party hunting is/has been legal only in gun season 1 (5 days)and 2 (9 days)(formerly shotgun 1 or 2)not archery or late muzzleloader seasons
I use to hunt on a family farm, in Tama County. I come from Wis. We all hunted several connected farms, all families having a great time Hunting on land we pay for, work on, and earn a living on, good times and bad. Why does that bother so many of you? Why do you assume poaching, illegal hunting etc, on private family farm... Sounds like alot of Karen's, to me By the way local wardens know all these families, and all respect the wardens. Now hunting is going woke. Maybe the rule change will benefit the herd, maybe not.... And for the most ignorant post here, not all farm owners hate deer.....
No honest hunter will ever shoot an animal he doesn't have a legal tag for. A person without a valid tag should not be participating in any hunt while armed with a weapon.
Just because you hunt on land you own doesn't give you the right to violate game laws. The animals belong to the people of the state. Stopping illegal hunting does not make you a "Karen", it makes you a honest, decent hunter.
It's not that big an issue if you are talking private land. But for it to be allowed on public land is nothing short of ludicrous.
Groundhunter……I believe the male version of a Karen is “Mike”
Super glad to see it go away. Would love to see the party hunting (residents & nonresidents) go away, as well, although I will say the big groups of 15-25+ guys don’t seem to be nearly as prevalent as they were 10-15 years ago. From a selfish landowner’s perspective, It got very tiresome having to constantly deal with road hunters cruising up and down the county road, looking for an opportunity when nobody’s looking, or setting up right on the fence line of the property perimeters, catching guys trespassing, or the “we hit a doe and it went into your property” line. Then, when I’d offer to help track, “we don’t need any help”. This isn’t a resident vs a nonresident issue. It’s a party hunting issue, IMO.
The loophole of Nonresidents being able apply for antlerless gun tags, (basically assuring that they will draw every year) then party hunting with residents who have valid buck tags, and being able to legally shoot a buck, was a total crock. They should have to play the same game as everyone else. I was born and raised in Iowa, but was a nonresident from 1981-1997 and had to apply for tags like everyone else.
Drycreek, I know a man who the community would swear by and will be at church Sunday working security because it makes him feel good who his wife told me hunts deer every night during bright moons and has killed several big bucks doing so with his crossbow behind their house over feed at night. The game warden lives approximately a quarter mile away too.
Pop-r, If that dude told me that, I’d be on the phone with a CO that same day. I don’t know what the three dudes I turned in were thinking or telling anyone, nor do I care. What I do know is they all had their trucks & weapons confiscated within a week. My question is, why didn’t you do the right thing and turn him in?
Redneck, you simply said, we are violators, how can you assume that. My driving days are done. But the families have fond memories of great hunts, and fun times. ..
For many years I was a tracker. We always had snow. We would hunt Wis. MN, and Ontario. Do that today, and the stand hunter gets pissed, you can not win.
Definitely a move in the right direction, hate all aspects of party hunting.
Hopefully the outfitters don't have something up their sleeves on this.
Glad to see Iowa change that. When you come from where party hunting’s not legal it’s hard to see any good of it.
The next thing will be guaranteed Outfitter tags then everyone with $$ will be sitting in lodges and tower stands.
Everyone with and without $$ is already sitting in tower stands
Definitely not sitting in tower stands. My dad at 70 does and loves getting more time hunting because of it. Boring as hell to me
I think party hunting in general is a joke and should end for both residents and non residents. I even gun hunt with my family. Enjoy the heck out of the tradition, but we shoot our own deer, be it a buck or doe.
About time. End all “party tag” hunting, including residents. Gets abused too much.
Yeah, let's all sit on our ass and shoot deer over kill plots.... at 75, I still like to give it a go....
Good on Iowa. I wish WI would do this with residents and nonres. If you don't have a tag for it. You shouldn't be able to shoot it.
Who pi$$ed in your Polident, groundhunter?!! If it’s legal, hunt however the F you want and quit worrying about everyone else.
Too many Karen’s around here Troy!
I sure wish party hunting was banned in Mn .
