TonyBear's Link
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mn-supreme-court-duty-to-retreat-ruling/ar-BB1qZHJz?ocid=BingNewsSerp
So I guess when I was assaulted by someone who broke down the door, should have dove off of the third floor deck instead of defending myself and the person I was with.
Also family member who was assaulted by a man in the woman's bathroom should have let him rape her rather than fight back.
Such backwards BS.
Normally, you'd want to remove yourself as much as possible because defensive killings are ALMOST as bad as not attempting to do it (and getting physically assaulted).
When it comes to NATURAL COMMON SENSE measures, nobody ever said a black dress wearing jurist knew what they were doing...
(Note: all caps used on certain words to help certain BS members understand the content so they don't take this post out of context to try and dazzle people with their bs by misconstruing it to mean something else)
Think about that...the state where the "shot heard round the world.." was fired. Now, it's a citizens duty to retreat before criminals.
Life would be better for me and my family if the state split in just west of the metro. The west side joins the Dakotas. The east side can stay MN.
To play Devil's Advocate, part of this is to combat vigilantism which is definitely a problem, whereas, for instance, someone's a road rager, approaches someone, becomes hostile, intimidating, and threatening, provokes someone into a fight, then tells them to back off, and then shoots them and claims that they were just standing their ground or becomes threatening enough that the person feels the need to defend themselves and then is shot by the perpetrator "in self-defense."
IMO, if you instigate a confrontation in an aggressive manner, if you've created a problem whereas you then have to defend yourself with lethal force, it opens up a loophole in the entire idea of self-defense that undermines the right to use lethal force.
"Duty to retreat" not only amounts to Monday-morning quarterbacking, but it rewards aggressors for aggression.
Very true.
As far as an event of last resort of using your firearm, call 911 and just give your address and victim, nothing else. Then lay your weapon down unloaded and when the PD arrive say your name and either claim the 5th or request your lawyer, be prepared to be arrested and pay some money no matter if you are in the right.
State delegates by county. This is about the only way to stop big blue cities from controlling the whole entire state.
I disagree with the second part of the ruling which states that you cannot pull out your firearm if there is a safe option to leave. That is ridiculous as it might not be immediately and readily apparent that there is a safe exit. You have to have a moment to look around and during that moment you need to also be pulling your means of defense in case there is no safe exit.
You do NOT want to take a life. If you feel excited about the opportunity to do so, then you either need professional help or you need to realign your thinking as positively anticipating the prospect of taking another human life is immoral, no matter your religion or lack thereof.
If you take a life, it will weigh on your conscience for the rest of your life, even if it was the "right decision" or if you had no other option. Acutely, you will feel a profound sense of regret and get sick from it. And for the rest of your life, you'll wish it had not come to that and wonder if there could have been another way and you will live with remorse about it - not some romantic idea or ego-boosting sense of machismo or justice. You will live with remorse.
I fully support people's right to defend themselves, but just know that if you take it upon yourself to be judge, jury, and executioner, that you will have not only have to answer to the law and God, but also to your conscience for the rest of your life.
De-escalation and retreat is always better for you and your health, so long as it doesn't get you or someone else killed or badly wounded.
Amen to that
And even if you win your court case, you possibly lost your job and 1-2 years of your life fighting it. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Once you have had suspicious cars tail you, calls in the middle of the night, items moved on your property, dog barking, etc. Retaliation or second and third assaults after the first are a reality.
Dealing with the problem upon first assault may be the better solution. Who knows? All I know I was lucky when the cops showed up when they did. Certainly, didn't want to injury or kill someone, but self-preservation trumps that emotion. It sucks and you are visibly and emotionally ill once they cart the attacker away.
I had just started a new job that month and those calls from the detectives, courthouse etc. to set up a time to go into the office to testify made the situation everyone's business at work.
