A hunters Guide to using a tracking dog!
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WYOelker 24-Sep-24
Dale06 24-Sep-24
JohnMC 24-Sep-24
drycreek 24-Sep-24
Ace 24-Sep-24
greenmountain 24-Sep-24
Paul@thefort 24-Sep-24
wisconsinteacher 25-Sep-24
Jimmyjumpup 25-Sep-24
six 25-Sep-24
WYOelker 25-Sep-24
DanaC 26-Sep-24
WYOelker 26-Sep-24
Painless 26-Sep-24
JTreeman 26-Sep-24
Tradman & Huntress 01-Oct-24
fishnride 02-Oct-24
Corax_latrans 02-Oct-24
Smtn10PT 02-Oct-24
From: WYOelker
24-Sep-24

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Bill and Cora made quick work of this track everything was right.
WYOelker's embedded Photo
Bill and Cora made quick work of this track everything was right.
A few years back I ran into a gentleman who would change my life trajectory. Not ground breaking but it has set a new path for my future. He was Scott Gillespie out of Colorado. I honestly do not know where exactly we crossed paths for the first time, but at the time Scott was just starting his blood tracking dog Lucy. The dog at first glance appeared to be any other run of the mill Weiner Dog. I honestly had no idea that the Daschund breed had any real purpose. But they are in fact a working dog and known for have a great nose.

Scott, Lucy and his newer dog, Lynas, have attended hundreds of events promoting the use of leashed blood tracking dogs for game recovery. He has been instrumental in helping get new dogs and handlers started. He has formed the nonprofit group Rocky Mountain Big Game Recovery which has been instrumental in expanding the use of dogs. He and his fellow members have rewritten and shaped state regulations and more. They love their dogs and they helping others.

I have attended several of Scotts seminars, and met a few other blood trackers. The following is what I have deemed to be the most important ideas for us as hunters.

1. Everyone wants the best possible chance of success. As such the sooner the better. The faster the dog can get to the track the better. Often times the trackers are called as a last resort, however it is much better to make them your second resort. The second you struggle, call for the dogs. If you are unsure, lost the sign, back out and call. The cooler the better also. If it is hot the heat makes the sooner the better way more important. Also rain is is a good thing, moisture is good, dry and hot bad. So if you have a track you lost because of rain call right away.

2. Get a good starting point. Mark the shot location. Shot time, note the angle of the animal, the shot impact location on the animal, was the close side leg forward or back. At the hit location get all the information you can, look for hair, other sign,...

3. Preserve the scent and the natural setting. When following blood never walk directly on the sign always off to the side. This preserves the sign, the track etc. It also prevents the scent getting onto your boots and creating multiple tracks. Use the minimal amount of people. 2 or less is ideal. Again maintains sign and decreases other scents.

4. Wait the appropriate time before following up a track. Heart, lung - 1 hour. Liver 6-9 hours, Gut 12-24... Bumping and animal especially one that has clotted up and possibly stopped bleeding is bad.

5. Do not grid search. Grid search just makes a mess. You can grid search until your heart is content after the dog has a chance but never do it before.

6. Always secure landowner permission for using a dog, and if there are any nearby properties the sooner you can get permission the better.

7. Do not lie. The better the information the better the dog and handler can work.

To find a tracker you can look them up in a couple places. Rocky Mountain Big Game Recovery has a link under hunter resources. United Blood Trackers has a search location that can be based on zip code to find the nearest location. I would strongly suggest doing this before your hunt. Add them to your contacts and save them.

Lastly and for me as a hunter this has been the key in getting help both times. Provide a ton of information on your initial contact. I have used a tracking dog twice now. I would consider each a success. For the purpose of this article, I will share the exact text I sent on my most recent track...

Bill,

I am looking for help on a track tomorrow morning early. My 14 year old son shot a bull at 10 yards tonight at very last light.

The shot was a complete passthrough. My son swears the shot was 2 inches behind the shoulder and and centered mass vertically. On the attached picture he believes the shot was at D and between 4 and 5. He says the shot was broadside to slightly quartered away. He cant recall if near side leg was forward or back. The bull had stopped and was not walking at the shot. I heard the arrow hit, and saw the bull spin away into the trees. We marked the hit location with flagging. Found the arrow about 10 yards behind the hit location. The arrow had blood but smelt like gut. There was what I believed to be some food stuff on the arrow but not sure. It got dark quick and we only looked down the trail about 10 yards found the blood in the attached picture, but it minimal and again I believe it to be gut. There were a ton of elk in the area and since the arrow looked bad we backed out almost immediately. There were still cow elk and several bugling bulls in the immediate area.

The broadhead used is a solid 2 blade magnus stinger with small bleeders. We are letting the bull sit and will take up the track after almost 12 hours. I will send a pin location of the hit sight. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Also will send the picture of the blood, however it was the only blood we found and it was not much at all...

As you can see I answered a lot of question in my initial message. It is very common for trackers to get a text or a phone message... Hit a bull can you help? By the time any tracker decides to take a track they are going to ask a bunch of questions. Again do not lie... They have a duty to their dogs.

In my case the first tracker contacted initially said he could not miss work on Monday morning but he would send it out to the group chat and other trackers. But because I provided so much information. Because the track would be less than 12 hours old, the temps were low, we did not grid search, etc. Because it was only 1.5 hours from home, he could not turn the track down... His dog was 0 for 5 on elk and needed a win. Turning this down was turning down his best chance at an elk recovery. By doing my part, and doing things right I got the extra help I wanted. We let the dog go on the track at about 6:45 and had found the elk in less than 15 minutes. The track covered 173 ish yards in that distance the bull made 2 90 degree turns. My son and I both started follwing the dog and trying to spot and mark sign. The dog ran hard nose down for the first 20 yards then lost the scent. She backed up circled twice then nose down up the hill for 40ish yard, again lost the scent trail, circled again and maybe 2-3 more time, then she lined out nose down cross the side going directly to the bull. I followed the entire track looking with my eyes for sign. I found only 2 pieces of hair and one little drop of blood. Tracks were everywhere and my gut told me the bull was in the bottom in the willows and not up the hill. I honestly think we would have found the bull, but it would have been a lot longer and took a ton more time.

A few other thoughts... I have now met several dog handlers. Some common themes amongst them all have been summarized here... But the one thing I cant explain enough is they are really good people who do this out of love. Love for their dogs and love for helping others. Most have stopped hunting all together or hunt minimally because they would rather run the dog. After my 2 tracks I am hooked. As soon as I can get a new dog, it will be a tracker and I will likely be the next guy who stops hunting for myself and helping others.

https://www.rockymountainbiggamerecovery.org/

https://www.unitedbloodtrackers.org/

From: Dale06
24-Sep-24
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

From: JohnMC
24-Sep-24
That's good stuff. I have met Scott a few times seem like a good dude.

From: drycreek
24-Sep-24

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My old buddy Sarge, may he rest in peace
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My old buddy Sarge, may he rest in peace
A dog that will track is invaluable. Mine had to be put to sleep a year ago at 14 years old. I have a new one now, only 11 months old but she shows promise. I always used Sarge if I had him close even if I saw them fall. Practice trails are just trails to a dog !

From: Ace
24-Sep-24
I wish we could convince the powers that be here in CT that Tracking Dogs are a good thing. It makes too much sense to be something our Legislators will support. Of course, I’m too stubborn to give up so … there IS a chance. Working on getting Sunday Hunting as well, and a Bear season and Doves, and Bobcats … ugh!

24-Sep-24
I Called for hep one time. The gentleman asked me a lot of questions. I answered truthfully and he agreed to give it a try. After calling the warden he and his wife asked me to take them to the site here the deer was when I shot. She had the new dog while he had the experienced one. I waked behind them as instructed. The track took us over 400 yards. The hit was through both lungs. He asked me to remove the liver and give each dog a taste. I attempted to pay them but they refused. I made a couple friends that evening. I finally gave them a coupe steaks and a small contribution to the dog food fund. These folks are not in it for the money.

From: Paul@thefort
24-Sep-24
I just received a call from a hunting friend who has mentored under Scott here in Colorado. Jerry is now dog tracking a wounded mule deer buck with his Dachshund tracking dog. They may find the deer but the meat might not be salvageable as it was hit yesterday. Glad Colorado allows it but under strict regulations.

25-Sep-24
Great info. For guys in the midwest, there is an app called TRAKR that will allow you to find guys with dogs. I do not have ties to the app, I just have it on my phone incase I need to locate a dog for a track.

From: Jimmyjumpup
25-Sep-24
I had a beagle bulldog mix that looked like anything but a tracking dog. I started her as a pup and my buddies hooted and hollered laughing at her. Didn't take em long to call me to ask them to find a deer for them. She was great. Her name was Pups. RIP pups.

From: six
25-Sep-24

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WYOelker very good post. I've been tracking deer with a dog for a few years now. First question I ask now is did you find any blood? My dog is good and has found deer that definitely would not have been found, but she's no miracle worker.

Pictured is "skyye bear". She's a blue tic hound. She's my second tracking dog and hopefully will be the best. She flunked bear dog training and got repurposed to me.

From: WYOelker
25-Sep-24

From: DanaC
26-Sep-24
How long did it take them to respond to your message?

(Sounds like a great organization, BTW.)

From: WYOelker
26-Sep-24
Dana. I looked up the closest tracker and started with a text to him, then picked the next closest. I went straight to the tracker. I sent my text at 8:55 at night and at 10 he had agreed to pick up the track. It was interesting because he drove past my track to get home as he was up here that night trying to track a different elk. Both times I have contacted trackers the reply has been measured in minutes. I would assume this time of year they are going to answer unless they are already in the hills on a track. I also know that many list thier home phone and if you send a text and don’t hear back in a bit you can call the home phone. Usually their spouse will answer and they will know a schedule or idea of when you might get a response.

I think of it as an interview for a job. I want to slam deer as much as I can and turn in as complete of an application as possible. You never know if these guys have no calls or 10 calls. So the more complete you can make your initial contact the better. Also in my case the tracker initially was not able to make it, so he copied pasted my text to the group chat and every tracker in the group saw the information. Again making it easier for them to understand the situation.

26-Sep-24
Many do not use the term “Blood tracker” some do because that is the term the public uses.

From: Painless
26-Sep-24

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Here’s Osa with one of her finds.

From: JTreeman
26-Sep-24

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Not quite a straight up tracking job per se, it was a bit around the way back and forth. But I am also confident I would not have found this pig without Aces help.

—Jim

01-Oct-24
That's very good advice WYOelker. Every shot should be treated as if you're going to need help, right from the beginning. Before stepping out to look for that first drop of blood, take a snapshot of the shot location and make a note of where the animal was standing, and which way it ran , noting the nearest tree, grass, rock or whatever landmark you can see. You'd be surprised how many people forget important details after the adrenaline wears off (myself included). ~Cheryl

From: fishnride
02-Oct-24
Thats pretty much spot on.

As one of the trackers registered with RMBGR here are a few key takeaways.

1.) We are growing but there are only about 40 RMBGR dogs throughout all of the mountain states. What that means is we are real busy. Scott says when he started the non profit in 2018 or 2019 he received 13 calls. We got well over 250 requests just in September of this year alone!!

2.) Look up the closest tracker on the map and have as much information as possible ready when you call or text. Also pictures are worth a thousand words.

3.) Real important! - once you talk to a tracker, if that person can’t do the track we will put it out to our network and you will receive a call or text from someone if they can. No need to call everyone on the list.

Keith

02-Oct-24
“Every shot should be treated as if you're going to need help, right from the beginning.”

Sounds about right.

From: Smtn10PT
02-Oct-24
Informative post WYO. What did your sons arrow hit in the elk? Im always curious how far they make it and what internal damage was done.

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