VP Debate
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Contributors to this thread:
Zbone 01-Oct-24
scentmouse 01-Oct-24
Grey Ghost 01-Oct-24
tobywon 01-Oct-24
sundowner 01-Oct-24
Arrownoob 01-Oct-24
Michael 01-Oct-24
Michael 01-Oct-24
KSflatlander 01-Oct-24
Michael 01-Oct-24
Mike in CT 01-Oct-24
bluedog 01-Oct-24
KSflatlander 01-Oct-24
Zbone 02-Oct-24
Arrownoob 02-Oct-24
KSflatlander 02-Oct-24
stealthycat 02-Oct-24
CaptMike 02-Oct-24
scentmouse 02-Oct-24
Mint 02-Oct-24
Beendare 02-Oct-24
Mike in CT 02-Oct-24
HDE 02-Oct-24
Pete In Fairbanks 02-Oct-24
bluedog 02-Oct-24
CaptMike 02-Oct-24
Mike in CT 02-Oct-24
Zbone 02-Oct-24
Zbone 02-Oct-24
bluedog 02-Oct-24
Mike E 02-Oct-24
CaptMike 02-Oct-24
WV Mountaineer 02-Oct-24
Zbone 02-Oct-24
Grey Ghost 02-Oct-24
CaptMike 02-Oct-24
Mike E 02-Oct-24
Grey Ghost 03-Oct-24
Zbone 03-Oct-24
BowSniper 03-Oct-24
Zbone 03-Oct-24
Pete In Fairbanks 04-Oct-24
drycreek 04-Oct-24
From: Zbone
01-Oct-24
VP Debate, who's watching?...8^)

01-Oct-24
Popcorn an mixer at the ready! scentmouse

From: Grey Ghost
01-Oct-24
Watching the Vikings vs Packers rerun from last weekend. It wasn’t covered in my area live. Good game!

From: tobywon
01-Oct-24
Vance is kicking Waltz’s ass!!

From: sundowner
01-Oct-24
"Vance is kicking Waltz’s ass!!"

Yes sir!!

From: Arrownoob
01-Oct-24
I’m watching. Walz is a gun owner and used to hunt pheasant after football practice. Vance wants to take federal public land and sieze it to build houses, raise revenue for the government, and drill oil. Walz disagrees and said these lands are valuable and they add value to the country as federal wild lands. He also points out this housing wouldn’t help cities like Minneapolis because the federal land isn’t near big cities. I do think Vance is doing better than Walz. Honestly these two are both better prepared than their running mates. They are very civil and I can imagine them grabbing a beer afterwards.

From: Michael
01-Oct-24
That was a bloodbath. Poor poor Tampon Tim.

Elections are about snapshots and sound bites. - Dan Bongino

I guarantee the Trump Vance ticket has gotten plenty of those tonight.

From: Michael
01-Oct-24

From: KSflatlander
01-Oct-24
“Honestly these two are both better prepared than their running mates. They are very civil and I can imagine them grabbing a beer afterwards.”

I completely agree and it’s refreshing. I think they are both doing really well. Vance had some great points and so did Walz. I agree Vance did better than Walz in this debate. Azz kicking. C’mon man.

HOWEVER, they both have repeatedly said we are a democracy at least 20 times. That is obviously a disqualifier as HDE and a few others here say we are not a democracy but rather a constitutional republic. In everyday speak a distinction without a difference. ROTFLMAO. Read a Jr High civics book…for once.

From: Michael
01-Oct-24

From: Mike in CT
01-Oct-24
I was impressed with JD Vance; before I'd gotten any insight into him and only had stories about him I have to admit I had some serious doubts. As I've heard him in interview after interview, almost always with less than friendly media I've gotten very comfortable with him. He doesn't dodge questions and he has shown an incredible knack for turning the tables on the media and exposing their bias; tonight he gave a master class in that.

I thought Tim Walz did a good job and I agree he was far more Presidential than Kamala Harris could ever dream of being. I disagree with him on a number of policies but I thought he came across well and I found him to be very gracious tonight.

If Donald Trump had performed 1/4 as well as JD Vance did tonight this election would be a Reaganesque rout; JD disagreed with Tim Walz many times tonight but never once did he disparage or disrespect him; he showed what politics should be; civil, respectful debate on policy with the only goal being providing the best governance the American people deserve.

I'm glad I watched the whole debate.

From: bluedog
01-Oct-24
I agree with Mike (mostly ;) )... refreshing to see politics conducted in a civil and respectful manner. And I was impressed by Vance's skill and likability which I did not expect. Not so nervous about him possibly being the President now.

Waltz did well enough, clear he's a rookie on national stage however. Neither did any harm, Vance may have helped Trump

From: KSflatlander
01-Oct-24
Couldn’t agree more Mike.

From: Zbone
02-Oct-24
I knew Vance would do good, but after Trump's last debate flop, I was a little worried because of the leftist moderators, but JD pulled through... I think he'd make a good president in 4 years, kinda wish he was the top billing now....

We are a Constitutional Republic, for you KS:

"What is a Constitutional Republic A constitutional republic is a form of government in which the head of the state, as well as other officials, are elected by the country’s citizens to represent them. Those representatives must then follow the rules of that country’s constitution in governing their people. Like the U.S. government, a constitutional republic may consist of three branches – executive, judicial, and legislative – which divide the power of the government so that no one branch becomes too powerful."

https://legaldictionary.net/constitutional-republic/#:~:text=A%20constitutional%20republic%20is%20a%20form%20of%20government,of%20that%20country%E2%80%99s%20constitution%20in%20governing%20their%20people.

From: Arrownoob
02-Oct-24
I’m surprised on a hunting site no one is acknowledging the issue of “seizing federal lands to build housing on or drill oil on.”

02-Oct-24

Ricky The Cabel Guy's embedded Photo
Ricky The Cabel Guy's embedded Photo
This pretty much described the whole night.

Vance's performance came as no surprise to me as I have seen him speak live twice. He is quick, witty, and extremely smart. Nothing like the "weird," women hating ogre the media and the Harris campaign has tried to make him out to be.

Even the talking heads at CNN said Walz was in over his head.

From: KSflatlander
02-Oct-24
“We are a Constitutional Republic, for you KS:”

Yes we are. Never said we weren’t. You missed the read a Jr High civics book part.

From: stealthycat
02-Oct-24
don't touch Federal lands - disagree with Trump/Vance on that

Vance won in a landside -its a damn shame these two aren't running for President

02-Oct-24
You can tell just how poorly Walz did when the liberal talking heads (as well as some here) are left talking about Vance's tie color (or attempt to change the subject to whether or not we live in democracy or constitutional republic).

Classic shiny object syndrome.

HEY...LOOK OVER HERE!!

LOL

From: CaptMike
02-Oct-24
"I was impressed with JD Vance; before I'd gotten any insight into him and only had stories about him I have to admit I had some serious doubts." Not sure how anyone who may have listened to him speak, in the many interviews he has done since becoming the VP candidate, would have been surprised. The only surprised ones would be those who only tune in to the mainstream propaganda machine.

02-Oct-24
Debate reminded me of two nerds fighting in high school, both agreeing to make it look good but not hurting each other in front of their peers.

scentmouse

From: Mint
02-Oct-24
It's kind of amazing that the moderators can't help themselves from being so biased. Even the questions were stupid, how many times are we going to be asked about climate change, January 6th or whether Trump thinks he lost the 2020 election. On X there is a 24 minute video of Democrat politicians including Kamala, Biden, Pelosi, Jeffries, Carter and on and on for 24 minutes saying Trump didn't win the 2016 election and was a illegitimate President.

Why not drill on Federal lands or build on some lands that are little pieces that aren't being used? The Feds have lots of empty buildings and warehouses that can be converted to housing. I remember seeing a Stossel program showing some federal warehouses filled with junk that will never be used that was rotting away. As for drilling, my friend owns 5000 acres in Colorado and once the gas line right aways were put in the Elk population and other wildlife flocked to those areas. If done right it can be a plus all around.

From: Beendare
02-Oct-24
I think Scott Jennings from CNN summed it up;

CNN's @ScottJenningsKY on the #VPDebate: "It's pretty clear Vance outclassed Walz tonight. I mean, I was watching this and all I could think of was -- man, Walz is so in over his head. I mean, can you imagine this guy sitting in the White House Situation Room with that facial expression that's like 50% sheer terror and 50% extreme bafflement?

I mean, it was amazing the split-screen difference between a competent Vance and a totally in over his head, Walz. The answer on why he lied about his trips to China and the Tiananmen Square thing was probably the worst VP debate meltdown since Stockdale in '92, you know, 'who am I and why am I here?' It was two-and-a-half minutes of absolute terrible. For Vance, night of redemption. All the political media has told us that Vance was a terrible pick and Walz was going to bring in all these voters. That charade is now over. Walz does not belong at this level of American politics. Vance does.

Final verdict? Tim Walz wandered into the wrong bar tonight."

From: Mike in CT
02-Oct-24
""I was impressed with JD Vance; before I'd gotten any insight into him and only had stories about him I have to admit I had some serious doubts."

Not sure how anyone who may have listened to him speak, in the many interviews he has done since becoming the VP candidate, would have been surprised."

I'm not sure how anyone with a minimum level of reading comprehension skills could possibly have missed what followed:

" As I've heard him in interview after interview, almost always with less than friendly media I've gotten very comfortable with him. He doesn't dodge questions and he has shown an incredible knack for turning the tables on the media and exposing their bias; tonight he gave a master class in that."

" The only surprised ones would be those who only tune in to the mainstream propaganda machine."

If only you could point to any comment in my post about JD Vance surprising me last night....if only.

As a rule it's a lot less likely to put one's foot in one's mouth if assumptions are avoided; I glean information from a variety of sources and almost never take the mainstream media at face value; it's why I checked out quite a number of interviews and quickly ascertained that once again, the mainstream media had it 100% wrong on JD Vance.

In the future if you have any doubt about something I've posted please be so kind as to do us both a favor; ask for clarification.

From: HDE
02-Oct-24
KSflat...just shut up...

Geez.

02-Oct-24
Walz's facial expressions all night would lead one to think that he had some sort of large, biting insect in his shorts...

Pete

From: bluedog
02-Oct-24
I thought maybe Walz ate some bad pickled herring or lutefisk

02-Oct-24
'I’m surprised on a hunting site no one is acknowledging the issue of “seizing federal lands to build housing on or drill oil on.”'

This entire interview is well worth the listen but this part addresses that nicely.

From: CaptMike
02-Oct-24
Mike in CT, yes, I put my foot in my mouth because I quickly read, without comprehending what you said. I’ll own up to it, my mistake.

From: Mike in CT
02-Oct-24
Mike,

Appreciate the response and major props and respect to you. I'm just as prone to the occasional stepping in it myself so I understand it happens. We're good and I like where the Trump/Vance ticket is after JD's debate performance.

The ultimate "value" of the VP to many voters is "can I see this person as POTUS?" I believe a lot of voters feel a lot more comfortable about JD Vance now and I think he'll only add to that comfort level. The more I hear him speak the more he impresses me.

From: Zbone
02-Oct-24

Zbone's embedded Photo
Zbone's embedded Photo
Not only his lying and his politics, but that tick of Walz's gives the feeling he's mentally a bubble off... I brought this up before in the another thread where I seen a video clip of him jumping around on a stage like a cheerleader, like Chris Farley tumbling out on the stage.... He's a weird dude man, wouldn't ever want to see him with his hand on the button, he's like one of the psychos that snap...

"Why not drill on Federal lands or build on some lands that are little pieces that aren't being used"

I haven't a problem with drilling on Federal lands, but I do have a problem of housing on Federal lands...

From: Zbone
02-Oct-24

Zbone's embedded Photo
Zbone's embedded Photo
Not only his lying and his politics, but that tick of Walz's gives the feeling he's mentally a bubble off... I brought this up before in the another thread where I seen a video clip of him jumping around like a cheerleader, like Chris Farley tumbling out on the stage.... He's a weird dude man, wouldn't ever want to see him with his hand on the button, he's like one of the psychos that snap...

"Why not drill on Federal lands or build on some lands that are little pieces that aren't being used"

I haven't a problem with drilling on Federal lands, but I do have a problem of housing on Federal lands...

From: bluedog
02-Oct-24
I predict in the future when Vance gets out from under Trump he will be a formidable political force for a long time. I underestimated him despite the fact he's a Yale lawyer and bound to be eloquent and smooth.

From: Mike E
02-Oct-24
Vance ain't no schoolboy,, he's intelligent, informed, not easily shaken, prepared for the moment, no BS, a man with integrity and on and on. Walz's comes across as someone who's barked the party line so often and so hard that when he's confronted with actual truth he's lost, uninformed and without an intelligent answer I felt the mods looked quite stupid with the "separate the children" comment, referring to the boarder. With 100,000's of children missing from the crossings you'd think they'd be smart enough not to bring it up seeing as they've never reported on it.

From: CaptMike
02-Oct-24
Mike in CT, after Vance’s performance last night, I would welcome him and Trump to reverse positions. They both have assets to bring to the table. And thanks!

02-Oct-24
Drilling oil on federal land is something that can’t be stopped if the oil is owned by private entity. Nor should it be. You drill, you pump it out, you reclaim it and you leave.

That’s a lot better than the democrats wet dream of millions of acres of green solar energy. Why that is even debatable is beyond me. Yet, you gotta give the lingering BHA cronies a thumbs up for showcasing the cause. SMH.

It also showcases the ignorance of not knowing the intent and reason for the bureau of land management and the national forest.

I’m not going to do this again because it’s a lot of typing. Arrownoob, research it. It’s important and will hopefully explain why building houses on what used to be “federal land” isn’t anything but a result of the intent of the BLM. Unless you think it’s more important to keep the citizens of this country, from utilizing resources off lands that were classified and categorized, to supply resources to the citizens of this country. Which from your posts, I think you are fine with that.

02-Oct-24
“…after Vance’s performance last night, I would welcome him and Trump to reverse positions. They both have assets to bring to the table.”

If all works out well, that is exactly what will happen in 2028.

From: Zbone
02-Oct-24
"If all works out well, that is exactly what will happen in 2028"

I sure hope...

From: Grey Ghost
02-Oct-24
“…after Vance’s performance last night, I would welcome him and Trump to reverse positions. They both have assets to bring to the table.”

I tend to agree with Vance being the POTUS candidate, but what would Trump bring to the table as VP? Not much, IMO.

From: CaptMike
02-Oct-24
More business sense than the last three dems combined.

From: Mike E
02-Oct-24
Trump is a better negotiator, knows the players on the world stage. A few years in the WH, absorbing all he can, wait and see what Vance brings to the table in '28.

03-Oct-24
To clarify, when I said "If all works out well, that is exactly what will happen in 2028", I didnt mean that Trump would ever even consider serving in a VP role. What I meant was "if all works out well, after Trump serves as POTUS for the next 4 years...Vance will replace him and serve as POTUS for the next 8.

03-Oct-24

Ricky The Cabel Guy's embedded Photo
Ricky The Cabel Guy's embedded Photo
:)

From: Grey Ghost
03-Oct-24
Double post

From: Zbone
03-Oct-24
That's a good one Ricky...8^)))

From: BowSniper
03-Oct-24
I was skeptical of the Vance pick, but I stand corrected.... that guy is an amazing orator. Calm, clear, polite, and so well versed on the issues that he makes it seem effortless. AND he had the balls to confront the moderator bias and correct them as it happened. Genius!!

The only questions he handled less-than-perfect were the 2020 Election question (why is it so hard to just say that Biden was declared the winner, but we just don't think he won fairly).... and the climate change question (would be better to say that we spent trillions so far and didn't improve the temperature one damn degree, and its a fools errand as the US could go to ZERO carbon and the global levels would still be unchanged because China and India are both increasing carbon output!).

From: Zbone
03-Oct-24
"China and India are both increasing carbon output"

I totally agree it's been that way for as long as I can remember before the words "Global Warming" was ever invented, and yet those countries do nothing to change, but you won't hear any lefties or our government bring that up, "it's all our fault", just ask a green weenie... Worldwide carbon output ain't ever gonna stop and if it actually causes climate change is debatable... Nuclear winter fallout will kill us all before current climate change will...

I think JD did the best he could on the subject, a lot more presidential than I would have spoke...8^)

04-Oct-24

Pete In Fairbanks's embedded Photo
Pete In Fairbanks's embedded Photo

From: drycreek
04-Oct-24
Anyone who doesn’t know which ticket they are voting for at this point……..

04-Oct-24
I’m still undecided drycreek.

Not sure if I’m voting Republican early…or Republican on election day…or both.

:)

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