New HOYTS are out
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From: Bou'bound
13-Nov-24
The RX9 line was released today. Looks nice.
From: Ambush
13-Nov-24
I miss the days when it was “an absolute game changer!!!”
From: Iowabowhunter
13-Nov-24
I'm ordering the RX9 Ultra. Having close to draw length specific mods is big. some serious speed gains with my 29" draw
From: Bowboy
13-Nov-24
Pretty hefty price tag. You could get some decent O/U shotguns and rifles for that price. Still nice line up. I’ll just keep shooting my RX8.:)
From: HDE
13-Nov-24
Anyone hear "I Got You Babe" playing in the background?
From: Bowfreak
13-Nov-24
Some people have hookers and cocaine as a vice, I have new bows and tags as a vice.
From: Beendare
13-Nov-24
Fwiw, I was on a Whitetail hunt with a couple of guys that are shooting those Hoyts. They each had a newer generation and the oldest gen1 as a back up. The one guy shot the GEN one better than he shot the newer Hoyt.
From: Bou'bound
13-Nov-24
Bowfreak why choose
From: JTreeman
13-Nov-24
I was a bit underwhelmed. I really didn’t expect big changes, but still…
I’m in the market for a new bow this year. I’ll wait for the mathews (don’t expect much change there either), and shoot some including bowtech and elite, and see what I want.
I’m a new bow every 5 or so years type guy, so the price isn’t as big of a concern for me, but yeah, they all getting kind ridiculous…
—Jim
From: Ambush
13-Nov-24
^^^ Jim, I’m an every eight to tens year guy, that way I’m easily blown away. My new Lift did just that. Probably the most “real change” I’ve experienced.
But I’m probably most blown away by the price differences!
From: Bou'bound
13-Nov-24
This year’s line are the pinnacle so with that comes higher cost.
From: Cazador
13-Nov-24
I saw a video about increased speed, but digging into it a bit all they did was shorten the A2A and the brace height. Seems to me the 7 or 8 would be the way to go at this point.
I'm shooting a 23 year old bow, so even though I'm looking for an upgrade, I guess you could say I'm not too serious about it.
From: bghunter
13-Nov-24
Lol, I am still shooting my Hoyt Vector 32. Looking at prices of bows I will be shooting it until I die.
From: ILbowhntr
13-Nov-24
Just bought a new old stock VTM34 a couple months ago. Don’t see any reason to fork over more money yet.
From: butcherboy
13-Nov-24
I’m in the market for a new bow. Haven’t been entirely convinced yet on any one bow yet so far. Might just keep shooting my 2012 carbon element.
From: Buckeye
13-Nov-24
I like a bow with a bigger brace and a2a than a lot of these newer bows, granted I haven't shot a lot of the newer bows but for you guys more educated than I, what would you choose to look at given that criteria? I'm currently shooting a 2003 bowtech pro 40 dually. 29 inch draw,,I've killed a bunch of whitetail with it and it's pretty forgiving of my less than perfect form but it's heavy and the let off kinda sucks.
From: Pyrannah
13-Nov-24
how is the per and elite lineup these days?
From: sticksender
13-Nov-24
If you really want to do a deep dive into it, you can go check the AT brand-specific Hoyt forum in a week or two. Once a few of the resident Hoyt nerds have shot the new bows for a few days, they'll have more information and analysis than you'll probably even care to read.
From: Grunt-N-Gobble
14-Nov-24
Buckeye....... Take a look at the Elite Ethos. It shoots and holds like a 35in A2A bow and has a good brace height. And you can really fine tune it. I can shoot FP's, fixed blade BH's and mechanicals all to the same POI.
From: midwest
14-Nov-24
The Elite cam system is the best out there right now IMO. Let off can be adjusted from 70-90%, 1/4" draw length adjustments which can be further tweaked due to the let-off adjustment. Can use limb stops or cable stops. If you like to tinker, it's the bow for you. I'm still not sure I have everything set exactly how I want it but I'm leaving it alone until season is over for now.
From: Groundhunter
14-Nov-24
After my accident in 2022, I sold my Hoyt. A Carbon Spyder 34 left handed, loaded up. Originally paid 1200.00 Got 850 for it, 5 Archers wanted it. Hoyt builds good bows
From: BOHNTR
14-Nov-24
They do make a great bow…….but for the first time in a long time, I’m going to be shooting a bow from a company I’ve never shot…..PSE. The new Mach 33DS was incredible when I shot it. So, I’ll be donating my Hoyt to a new bowhunter this year. He’ll be happy with the quality of the Hoyt bow…..and can’t beat the price.
From: Will
14-Nov-24
I like the aluminum one. Looks like a nice shooting bow.
From: Potro
14-Nov-24
I shoot 2 Hits Both are very good AlphaMax and Spider. These new bows looks great, but they will be around the $2000
From: Bou'bound
14-Nov-24
2099 for rx9. Ultra a bit more. Figure 3 grand for rest sight quiver stabilizer kickstand taxes etc
From: Cazador
14-Nov-24
Many of us grew up in the 80s, shot compounds with fingers starting with the old 19 wheeled Bear WT etc, etc. We used to shoot at hay bails with aluminum arrows that started off one color, but then after repeated pulls from the bails they turned silver. Where am I going with this? Yeah, everything is expensive, but seriously? 3k for a bow? We have seriously lost our way, but good for Hoyt!
From: wyobullshooter
14-Nov-24
Pyrranah, like some others, I’m extremely impressed with my Elite.
From: wyobullshooter
14-Nov-24
Double post
From: Bowhunting 5C
14-Nov-24
Hoyt, top flight bows. Hoyt owner my whole life, upgraded to the RX5 a few years ago, awesome bow and a far cry from my Vectrix XL. However, I will not be in the market for a new one yet. Hoyt USA.
From: bghunter
14-Nov-24
Cazador,
I am with you.
From: Blood
14-Nov-24
Caz, you sell your old bow, you won’t pay retail on the new one (maybe $100 or more off), and you put on your choice of accessories. And then you keep this new bow for another 15-20 years. Not too bad in my opinion.
Same thing for all the guys shooting bows 15-20 years old. I had a similar thought process (my old bow is fine). Yeah, and then I started shooting the new ones….night and day. New technology won’t kill the deer any more dead, but it does make everything more efficient.
From: midwest
14-Nov-24
I love bows. I love shooting bows. I'd buy a new one every year if I could afford it, but I need tags and gas, too.
From: Dale06
14-Nov-24
I’ve shot Mathews or Hoyt for 20+ years. Both are very good bows. Currently I’m shooting a Mathews atlas, and like it a lot. No way am I going to drop $3 grand or so for a fully ready to hunt bow. Period.
From: HDE
14-Nov-24
Good thing my bow is only 9 years old. I have 6 more years to go before I'm supposed to think about getting a new one.
From: BC173
14-Nov-24
At 3k completely set up, I like my Mathews even more!
From: Straight Shooter
14-Nov-24
If you want to save a little $$, by last years RX-8. I guarantee archery shops will have some left over. Not sure why Hoyt releases new bows in Nov, most series guys are already dialed in.
DJ
From: Bou'bound
14-Nov-24
Guys getting them are not planning to have them in time for this year anyway. Not many will be available at retail and wait times can be long
From: Pyrannah
14-Nov-24
who my buddy is shooting a new carbon elite and loves all the features..
i had an older elite answer (until i destroyed it)... loved that bow...
want to shoot a new pse, hearing great reviews on them
From: ryanrc
14-Nov-24
when will mathews release the 2025 line up?
From: scent
14-Nov-24
Do even hunt anymore bou?
From: carcus
15-Nov-24
Watched some videos, draw appears a little harsh, you have to buy mods for draw length changes, and you still have to pull axles for shimming, I do like the new split yokes. PSE has a better carbon bow hands down
From: WV Mountaineer
15-Nov-24
To each his own. $2099 retail is absolutely unbelievable.
From: Mike B
15-Nov-24
"To each his own. $2099 retail is absolutely unbelievable. "
They say the difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Some folks like all that technology, tuning, etc. Long, long ago, my first bow was a Hoyt..it was a quality piece of kit. But $2000...that's a lot of coin.
From: WV Mountaineer
15-Nov-24
Yes it is.
From: Murph
15-Nov-24
The new cam system is spitting out some impressive velocities for sure very close to advertised numbers..
From: JTreeman
15-Nov-24
I saw Mathews is releasing next Tuesday (11/19) I believe.
—Jim
From: Dale06
15-Nov-24
“The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.” And “A fool and his money……..”. Both have some application. We all have the freedom to choose.
From: PECO2
15-Nov-24
As long as people keep paying, they will keep selling and the price will continue to rise every year. 3K bow isn't even on my lotto list. I'll keep shooting my 2008 nonflagship bow. Maybe I'll get another nonflagship bow in a few years. I've been thinking about it, a carbon riser for the warmth. Meanwhile, I'm buying more guns and ammo for 3 grand.
From: Actionjackson
15-Nov-24
If I wanted a new Hoyt bow I would be a torrex at a third of the price as the flagship and shoot just as many deer.
From: Blood
15-Nov-24
You all who are shooting bows 10,15,20 years old, you’re missing out on some incredible technology, forgiveness, efficiency and cool colors :)
From: PECO2
15-Nov-24
Ain't no color worth $2,100.
From: Bowfreak
15-Nov-24
It is not just carbon bows that are ridiculously priced, it is EVERYTHING. However....this bow is actually cheaper than the 2010 Carbon Matrix when considering inflation. $1,599 in 2010 is equivalent to $2,314.76 in current dollars.
I paid $2.99 for McDonald's 2 cheeseburger meals when I was in high school. I don't even know what they cost now but its probably $8 or $9 which has outpaced inflation.
From: bghunter
15-Nov-24
I am not a tech guy at all, but for you technically bow guys, how much change can there be in a bow from 2013 to today?
From: Bou'bound
15-Nov-24
$1,000 worth of change
From: bghunter
15-Nov-24
I call that inflation.
From: Bowfreak
15-Nov-24
I would say it is definitely noticeable since 2013. I think about every 5 years you could notice a measurable change in tech when comparing current year bows to past.
From: Blood
15-Nov-24
Tunability, more efficient cams, limbs, easier to draw, better balance, less hand shock, more forgiving, customizable accessory system, better strings, more energy at less poundage….
From: bghunter
15-Nov-24
Blood,
Thanks for the information that's what I was looking for.
I should one day try and shoot some of the newer bows, just for the heck of it to see if I notice much.
From: Buglmin
15-Nov-24
The Hoyt RX9 and the AX2 are nice bows, but the cam is aggressive abd draws hard at the get go. It does take some getting used to. It's difinetly not that smooth compared to the AlphaX. The AX2 is fast, but only 8 to 10 fps faster over the AlphaX. The draw cycle does take some getting used to. And 70# feels like 70# because of the cam. But it's dead in the hand, very lil jump at the shot. We shot the Hoyt's, PSE's and Elites through the chronographs yesterday. Everyone agreed the Mach 30 and Mach 33 were smoother, with my Mach 30 and Decree, set 1 inch shorter in draw length and 2 pounds lighter in draw length, was several feet faster then the Elite's and Hoyt's.
From: Bowbender
15-Nov-24
GG,
I bought a Hoyt HyperForce in 2018. Only reason was my Mathews LX split a limb and I could never get it back in tune. I still haven’t found a bow that draws as nice, solid back wall, holds very steady…and I shoot as well.
From: Coondog
17-Nov-24
I’ll be upgrading my RX7 Ultra and Alpha X 33 to the RX9 Ultra and Alpha AX2 32. Going to give draw length mods is huge for efficiency and performance. They shortened the limbs to shorten brace height which increases the speeds substantially. Upgraded the HBX cam to its fourth generation. Shortening limbs and ATA also made the bows lighter. They also added 75lb limbs for shooters that prefer that sweet spot over 70 or 80 pounds. Guys that say “oh nothing has changed” aren’t diving deep enough!
From: PECO2
17-Nov-24
I don't dig deep into the technical jargon, I just go by how the bow feels. I do admitt, the last new bow I shot was the No Cam. It's time to try some new ones. Like I said above, thinking about carbon for the warmth factor.
From: Bowboy
17-Nov-24
I have a Hoyt RX8 it’s a great bow imo. I went and shot the PSE Mach 30 DS yesterday. It was a very smooth shooting bow. I wanted to feel the how the cams were on it. I wanted to shoot the Mach 33 but being a lefty none of the shops have one available. Carbon is nice but not everyone wants to pay the extra for one. I’ve owned 4 carbons thru the years and my next one will definitely be carbon. Is a carbon bow needed no but I prefer them over aluminum. If you buy one every 5-10yrs the price isn’t that bad imo.
From: TREESTANDWOLF
18-Nov-24
PECO2 I removed the grip on my RX8 Ultra and installed grip tape. Warmest combo I’ve found.
The back wall adjustments are nice as well.
Since the 9 has mods, I’ll be shooting one. The draw length adjustment is a major improvement for some.
From: WV Mountaineer
18-Nov-24
Do you guys have problems with the shorter brace height? Is it forgiving? Does it really highlight grip inconsistencies?
From: TREESTANDWOLF
18-Nov-24
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From: TREESTANDWOLF
18-Nov-24
DP
From: Bowfreak
18-Nov-24
I have talked myself into keeping my R7U for another year. It is a great bow and I shoot it well. I will wait to hear reports of the R9U and possibly pick up a new one next year.
From: Dale06
18-Nov-24
WVM, Speaking for myself, I had a Hoyt five years ago, with a brace height just over 6”. Cant remember the model, but I could not shoot it accurately on a consistent basis. Currently am shooting a Mathews atlas with a 7”+ brace height. I shoot it much more accurately, but I’m giving up some speed.
From: Coondog
18-Nov-24
With the wider limbs and limb pockets as well as good reflex, that will dictate shootability and stability. Most all manufacturers are beginning to go under 7” BH to get more speed out of the bows without making the cams super aggressive. Adding longer stabilizers with more weight will also help with your accuracy and bow’s pointing ability.
From: Beendare
19-Nov-24
The feedback I'm getting from a guy that shot one is significant speed increase- 20fps +/- and still smooth draw.
From: Tilzbow
21-Nov-24
Earlier this year I shot both the RX8 Ultra and AlphaX 33 at my 30 3/4” draw length, both bows set at 70#. The AlphaX 33 shot the same arrow 15 FPS faster at the same draw length and weight as the RX8 Ultra because I was in a different position in the module (near the bottom of the RX8 Ultra, near the top of the AlphaX 33). This has been a known issue with Hoyts for several years and it seems they’ve gotten better at normalizing speed this year. I suspect some will experience increased speeds with this year’s models while others won’t. It’s going to depend on where they fell in the previous year’s module.
I walked out of the shop with the AlphaX 33 and it’s been the best shooting bow I’ve ever owned.
From: Bowfreak
21-Nov-24
Tilzbow,
Even at 30" the RX9U is showing a 8 FPS gain. Like you said, some of the other DLs were so inefficient that they are seeing almost 20 FPS gains vs the RX8U.
This was never a problem with Hoyt when they used base cams and DL specific mods. Their shorter DL bows were screamers compared to others. Each configuration was optimized for efficiency but the rotating mod on their cam system killed that.
From: 12yards
21-Nov-24
WV Mountaineer, I was concerned about shorter brace heights a while ago, especially when bundled up with bulky cold weather gear on. Since then I've owned two bows with 6" brace heights and my primary bow now is an Elite Enkore. I've had no issues at all. The RX9 Ultra is 6 3/8. I don't think you'd notice much difference in accuracy.
From: spike78
23-Nov-24
Treestandwolf I like that grip tape where did you get it from? I like the grip on my Elite but rather it be alittle wider and not slippery.
From: carcus
24-Nov-24
I've never had a problem with a cold grip on a aluminum bow and I live and hunt in manitoba, I don't hold my bow for long, its always hanging until go time so I wouldn't buy a carbon bow for the warmer grip
From: PECO2
24-Nov-24
My bow is a 2008 Diamond Black Ice, not a flagship. In the next few years I may get a new one. When I do, it will most likely be carbon. Carbon has been out for a while and the nonflagship models are affordable. I have not had an issue with cold and the aluminum riser, until this season. Wasn't really a problem just very uncomfortable, I was on a stalk, and I really do not feel good with a glove on the bow hand. I used my bow during rifle season, not and issue at all during actual bow season. Agree I would not run out and buy a new bow just because my hands got cold. I'm not a new bow often guy.
