Biggest leap in antler size?
Whitetail Deer
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What do you think is the magic age where bucks make the biggest leap on average?
3-4?
4-5?
5-6?
6-7?
4-5 or 5-6 depending on the deer/genetics and nutrition.
All things being equal, 4-5 would be my vote.
Depends if pen raised or free range, genetics and food is everything.
An old taxidermist friend in Iowa I usually see the racks that are brought in are in the 150s and over are usually average 5 yrs or more but there is an age time of regression also. He did a rack for my Father's buck that dress out 247# and the teeth were around 9 yrs old and the rack were thick and stunted, the head was scared from battles, my Dad was 87 yrs old and the farmer got his skidded down to get it out of the creek and scaled it on his scale, it was shot with a H&A .45 smoke pole, his last hunt.
Remember attending a WiDNR whitetail meeting (west-central forrest zone) in July 97 and their chart of buck lifespans was 0 at 4yrs, majority lived to 2 yrs old, not great for antler growth.
Excuse my ramble.
I think there are too many variables. I shot a buck that put on 50 inches from 3-4. I’ve seen them explode from 4-5 also.
Percentage wise the biggest by far is the year from 6 month to 18 months.
Approximately 1% of 3yr olds might score 150, while almost 8% of 5+ yr olds would measure 150.
Are you talking real world or today's version of deer farming
Freak nasty.
Freak nasty.
Have a friend who shot a 6.5 year old buck that’s rack is a bit less than when he was 4.5. I’ve also seen 160” ten points at 5.5 that had the exact same rack at 4.5 years old. Geographic genetics is also very different across North America.
Zbone's Link
Back in the day, there was an Ohio captive buck that actually ended up on the outdoor sports show circuits they had in a pen and you could actually touch him... Anyhow the owner saved his sheds through years and his rack continued to get bigger annually up until he was around 10 or more years old, then it sharply dropped in size and die that year or the following year... I remember seeing pictures of his sheds as he grew... Believe it or not I remembered the deer's name was "Desi" so I just now looked it up on the internet and although I did find any pix I found the following:
"Jan 20, 2009 Back in the early 80's a local guy had a buck named Desi that he raised from a fawn. It's mama had been killed by a car in front of his house. He saved all the sheds and when Desi died(of natural causes) at about 10 years old he had a local taxidermist, Paul Thomas, do mounts of all his racks to show his progression through the years. For a while Desi was on tour of outdoor shows"
"Jan 20, 2009 I received Legendary Whitetails by Dick Idol for Christmas and this buck was profiled in it. Very interesting story. All of the deers racks were pictured showing the progression of antler growth. He was a typical until age 6 and then began growing non-typicals everywhere. The largest rack was at age 10 and he died at 12. I'm at work (LOL) and don't have the book infront of me but I think he ended up scoring in the 230s"
https://www.ohiosportsman.com/threads/anyone-remember-desi.24976/
From what I observed during our time in TX, the biggest jump in antler size happened between the 4th and 5th year. Antlers between age 3 and 4 sort of "blew up"; but between 4 and 5 a buck's antlers seemed to explode.
Found another article on "Desi":
"For 12 years the family of Bob Baird had a remarkable trophy deer on its farm near Canfield, Ohio.
At first a typical 6-point whitetail, the buck began growing abnormal antler points at 6 1/2 years of age. This deer eventually sprung a hatful of 39 abnormal points on a 4-by-4 frame, earning an outstanding Boone & Crockett score of 296 in its 10th year. The right main beam held 28 points and the left had 19.
It went downhill after that, scoring 260 points at age 11 1/2 and dying at the age of 12 in 1985.
How do we know all this of a deer that never had been hunted?
Well, Desi, as the Bairds called this buck, was a family pet. When the deer was orphaned after birth, the Bairds and their children raised him in a barn along with a small herd of dairy cows. Desi was fed a normal diet of sweet feed and corn. He never received hormonal supplements to increase antler growth.
And, as behooves a captive deer, he shed his antlers right in that barn every year, where the Bairds could pick them up and save them for posterity.
Larry Huffman of West Bend, Wis., now has the mounted deer and its complete set of 11 racks in his Legendary Whitetails enterprise. He shows trophy deer racks around the country, including the famous Mel Johnson record buck and the Hole-in-the-horn buck. He will bring Desi–and all of Desi’s antlers–to the Illinois Deer & Turkey Classic this Friday through Sunday at Peoria Civic Center.
“There is no other set in the world like this that I know of,” Huffman said.
Glenn Helgeland of Mequon, Wis., who operates the Peoria show and four other state deer classics, said what caused Desi to grow such a wild rack in the middle of his life never has been explained, nor will it ever be.
“It could be genetics, sudden hormone changes, the steady diet of captivity,” he said. “It is a fascinating display of antlers grown by one whitetail buck. It’s unlikely you’ll ever see another example like it.”"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/1999/03/24/ohio-family-helps-captive-buck-rack-up-the-points/
Are there any pics of Desi floating around? Would be cool to see the progression throughout his life!
Just from personal observation over the years, I'd have to agree with Mark & T-roy.....for wild deer, the best increase is from 4 to 5 yrs old. Or maybe that's just when they typically develop into a desirable enough size for me to want to shoot. Unfortunately it is rare for a genetically superior buck to live past 3 or 4 yrs of age, due to him being too good-looking for most hunters to pass.
Aside from me nobody or should say few, pass any antlered deer on the properties I hunt or have hunted on through the years and the amish kill everything, if its brown its down, so few bucks reach the age of 4, and one to reach 6 would be as rare as a unicorn....
SD - Unfortunately I couldn't find any pix of "Desi" on the internet, that was back before Al Gore invented in internet...8^) But yeah, please post if you can find any... Maybe somebody has "Legendary Whitetails by Dick Idol" and can help us out... The book was out of my price range back in the day and I just checked to buy on the internet and it's still out of my price range...8^)
tobywon's Link
I remember this study completed by the late Charles Alsheimer, this bucks biggest jump was from 3 to 4. It certainly varies with area and individual deer, but always thought this study was cool.
Not sure when… I’ve heard the largest % wise is 1 1/2 to 2 1/2… I did measure a NJ buck years back that was a 1 1/2 - 3 pointer 2 1/2- 115” 8 point At 3 1/2 he turned to a 160” 5x5
It was a piebald so the hunter was 100% sure of the age
My experience from trail cam pictures and being in an archery only club with unselfish like minded hunters set on only taking mature bucks. In our are of Georgia the biggest difference seems to be between 5 1/2- 6 1/2. Don’t get me wrong there is a significant change from 4 1/2 -5 1/2 but mass and additional trash and character markings show up with age. Disclaimer: like previously stated genetics plays a big role and so does food source and area of country you are in. You can have a great food source but if the genetics aren’t there then sometimes that deer maybe at its prime at 120” or 130”. To me shooting a mature buck- 5 1/2 or older is what I am after, not horn size. My target buck this past year was heavy mass 6 point that would be lucky to be 128” but I knew the deer was 6 1/2 because of trail cameras and he has been a 6 point from 2 1/2. And since he stayed just outside bow this year I will get see him at 7 1/2. I have learned early on that trying to age a deer by antler size does not work or at least not for me. Body shape is key if you are going after a mature deer.
2-3 but I have almost no experience in bucks over 4.5 years
Biggest jump would be 1.5 to 2.5 but still not impressive so not really noticed.
I kinda agree Lee, if ya think about it a spike most times in a late born fawn (button buck), a spike as a yearling, and by the time he's 2 he catches up...
Genesis's Link
We don’t have the best deer herd by any stretch but we are plenty strong in our whitetail research.
Thanks for the link Genesis...
December '23
December '23
Here he is in August '24
Here he is in August '24
Here he is in September, two days before I missed him.
Here he is in September, two days before I missed him.
The winter of 22/23 was brutal here in Wisconsin, a lot of deer starved to death and there weren't many fawns the next spring. I got several photos of this buck the fall of '23 and I believe he was 2.5 years old. I believe his rack was stunted due to the previous brutal winter. You can tell that his body is considerably larger than the yearling next to him. He had a weird rack and I was looking forward to what I might turn into.
The winter of 23/24 never really happened. It was very warm and almost zero snow all winter. I'm almost certain that weird racked buck blew up into this 15 point non-typical and I believe he was only 3.5 years old. I believe the extremely mild winter allowed him to grow to his potential. I have numerous photos of him all over my property and actually missed him on the evening of September 24th (my birthday). My neighbor killed him the following week and he field dressed 228 pounds. It would have been interesting to see what he would have turned into in a year or two. There have been a couple really big non-typicals killed around my neck of the woods.
I’d say biggest jump in growth would have to be somewhere in the early stages between 1 and 3.5 yrs old..
Not sure of the age but this is a one year jump of a buck on my Kansas lease…
3-4 yo in ag country and then 4-5 yo in big timber areas as far as the biggest jumps
I believe most will reach their top potential at 6 personally and then start to regress somewhat after that....lots of factors from year to year to consider though.
Cool pix Shug, crazy difference in neck size... Curious if taken same time of year?
ZBone they are one year apart
Same month, like October, November or?
Bucks live past 2.5? Ha!
I think the biggest visual jump is 2 to 3, but going from decent to stud is probably more like 4-5.
Cheesehead Mike is spot on as far as WI. I live in North Central WI and we find an early spring green up is crucial to antler growth. No feeding or mineral allowed. We have gone heavily into clover plots trying to get spring green up as soon as possible and nutrients going. Late snow and winters really hinder us. 23-24 no winter to speak of, early green up good antler growth of all ages.
Bill Winke just put out a video on a throw back hunt. He mentioned the buck he hit was always a 150” 10 pointer. But in his later stages of life he quit breeding and made a jump that year to the 190’s. He didn’t say how old the deer was but he said it was an old deer.
I was always told 5 to 6 was the biggest jump. By 5 there body’s are fully grown so they could put the nutrients into the rack.
I've been able to document (trail cam pics/ vids) a few bucks up to 7.5 and possibly 2 up to 8.5, fairly confidently too. Have probably documented over another dozen to around 4.5-6.5 before they were shot or vanished etc. I have a lot of access bordering large sanctuaries, so the age class of bucks I get to hunt/ observe is probably better than avg compared to the rest of NY. That said, it's truly difficult for me say that I've ever noticed an age/ antler jump trend of any real significance to say what age range produces the best jump. Even when also considering bucks my buddies have years worth of history with. More often than not I see them gain on avg 0-10" a year and most seem to top out around 135-140.
Now there are exceptions...
One buck that I was lucky enough to hunt/ observe made an incredible jump from what I believe started at 3.5 (when I first became aware of him) as probably a low-mid 130s 8pt to ~ 183" at 4.5. I know who has 1 shed from him as an 8pt and have held it. I have the 180 class set of sheds. It's 100% the same buck. The biggest side is 85"+ and nearly 4lbs. That buck had next to no change in crop rotation/ options the following year(s) and regressed to what I judged at ~170, and then the next year he was poached and supposedly scored 174 - which I believe. During the 4 years I documented him, IMO, his body represented what I'd have guessed his age to be.
Gary I believe the bigger rack was late October smaller was early October
Yeah Shug, October is kinda what I was thinking by the foliage and neck muscle build with heavy pre-rut rubbing... Thanks...
Thanks for sharing SaddleReaper... Got any pix to share?... Thanks...
I’ve had some pretty good luck the past 4 years shooting 4 bucks that were 5-7 yrs old with history with all of them. They were all different as far as adding growth. Two were homebodies living on mine and getting good food all year and they were the biggest. I’ve really focused on micronutrients and remineralizing my soil and it’s helped a lot with blowing up mass. So much goes into growth and even small injuries can make a buck regress or at least not add growth from one year to the next.
4yr old
4yr old
5yr old
5yr old
6yr old
6yr old
This big 8 I passed as a 3 yr old and the harvested as a 6 yr old.
4.5 yrs old or 5.5 based on the taxidermist
4.5 yrs old or 5.5 based on the taxidermist
5.5yrs old
5.5yrs old
6.5yrs old
6.5yrs old
7.5yrs old or possibly 8.5 by taxidermist. I kick myself for not asking for the jaw but at the end of the day, it’s a big mature deer that’s on the wall.
7.5yrs old or possibly 8.5 by taxidermist. I kick myself for not asking for the jaw but at the end of the day, it’s a big mature deer that’s on the wall.
Big 11
This deer, I think was 7 when I killed him but the taxidermist was sure he was 8. Deer definitely lost length but gained mass the last year. Was also injured from the year before, must not have been too bad but I did see him limping for a few weeks at the end of 2021. I have one shed from what was likely 3.5 which was nothing special.
2.5yrs old
2.5yrs old
4.5yrs old. Found his previous years shed but didn’t keep any pics of him.
4.5yrs old. Found his previous years shed but didn’t keep any pics of him.
5.5
5.5
6.5
6.5
Nice 9
This deer would just show up late Oct or early Nov and stay till he shed his rack. I shot him thinking he was a 5.5, didn’t really grow much from the previous year, and he was a bully that took over the property and there some good deer down the road I’d like to move onto mine. I saw the teeth and the taxidermist was pretty sure he was 6.5 when I killed him and I’d agree with him. I found 3 yrs worth of sheds from him. I thought he was a really nicely formed yearling the first year but I guess he was a small two year old