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Hey Ted,,, whatever floats you boat...
I like this guy's comments...8^)
"36hr horror flight to Kyrgyzstan $20,000, Iranian redsheep guide $20,000, redsheep tag $20,000, overall pain in the ass, indescribable! 1hr drive to LoneWolf Ranch in Coolidge Texas trophy ram of a lifetime, pure joy!"
Not my deal either but won’t judge. Ted has done a lot for our hobby.
I’ve taken fall harvest slaughter to heart and turned it into a bowhunt when I was a kid. I got no room for anything but acceptance. So, I’ll never judge what a man does on his time for fun. I’m happy if he’s happy.
Ted is a big advocate for archery and for hunting. Sometimes some of what he says and does takes us the wrong direction, but mostly he does good things for hunting. I love his passion! He's kinda crazy with passion actually, and that's fun and infectious! I'd like to share a camp with him someday. I think he might drive me crazy eventually, but maybe not too.
Many hunters use pens these days to take all kinds of animals including deer, elk and pigs to name a few. Not for me.
No issues with hunting high fence but let’s be honest, it is a far cry from hunting these sheep in their natural environment.
I would not call shooting in a high fence "hunting". These are farmed animals.
A good bit of the hunting folks do in Africa, New Zealand, Mexico etc are all high fence operations. What a guy does is his business, just don't try to pass it off as something it's not.
While living in Malaysia I met a guy with a tattoo of a Cape buffalo with an arrow under it. I was intrigued. Asked about the significance. Wasn’t much. Said he bow killed it in Texas. Not impressed to say the least.
Guy's saving people $50,000 and they still b****.
Not familiar with the outfit he's hunting with, but are they operating on 100 acres, or 20,000?
Whenever a thread is about Ted it never ends up good.
Beautiful sheep! Congratulations, Ted!
He does bring up an interesting point. The common man can’t afford the time and money to hunt and take some of these species in their native habitat. Lots of people would love to be able to travel all over the world for these different species but politics, reduction of native populations, and logistics make many of those hunts impossible except for the mega rich. Texas game ranches make it a possibility for the common man. Sure, some places are really small and no sport whatsoever but many of these ranches are very large and provide a great challenge.
There are actually several species that have higher populations in Texas than in their native habitats where they may be threatened or even extinct. Weird to think about but several species have been used to repopulate their native habitats where they have gone extinct. Not sure how the big experiment with all the exotics in Texas will eventually turn out, but definitely fun to hunt when they are available.
I have nothing against Ted, I have never met him. My comments were only referring to shooting animals in a pen, it is not for me. What Ted does, is purely his business.
A client treated me to a hog hunt in a fenced preserve in Ohio. It was probably about 100 acres. On the wall of fame there was a pic of Ted with a big bull elk right in front of the same building where we had our hogs butchered. I asked the owner about it. He said Ted called and asked if he could put an elk in the pen for him to shoot. The guy only had hogs and those 4 horn sheep. But…. the owner wasn’t allowed to show the picture publicly or use it in any way for advertising. He’s been high fence hunting for decades. Especially when he had no choice because his hunting privileges were suspended.
The spirit of the wild is not inside a fence.
“The spirit of the wild is not inside a fence”.
I cannot agree with you more.
“The spirit of the wild is not inside a fence”
That is definitely a great quote! Love it!
That quote makes the list of bowsite greats
Years ago he shot a monster nontypical and typical whitetail out of an elevated blind 10 minutes apart. Both were well over Boone and Crockett minimums. it was with a crossbow. It was never stated that it was or was not high fence but I think we know.
It’s his thing. You can like it or hate it but he can’t hide from it. It’s who he is and has been and will continue to be at this point.
Do whatever you want but just own it. If you won’t own it don’t do it. Was once advised not to do anything you would not want on the front page of the newspaper. Really not bad advice. A good screen to do a self check on when in doubt
Ted can be a hoot and a face palm...
What gets me more is the lame cope " his business"....
Game farming has negatively effected pretty much every hunter here... Most importantly, CWD was spread throughout the US and into Canada due to game farms.... Game farming has been hugely detrimental to the hunting of wild animals. By definition, It's not hunting. At least stop calling it "hunting".
I have bow hunted inside of a fenced 16,000 acres and I’ve hunted inside of a fenced 200 acres. The former was hunting, the latter was grocery shopping.
I have met Ted, and I have great respect for his stance on the 2nd Amendment, and what he has done for gun owners. That said, I don’t think I would want to be cooped up with him for very long.
High fence is a relative term. Hunting a high fence around 100 acres isn't the same as hunting a high fence around 5000.
Not a whole lot different than someone shooting a record book bull elk in someone’s back yard - less the fence, but with bait
I'm sad that over the years, people have come to associate "hunting" with the difficulty of a kill.... whether they can kill a captive animal in an enclosure within a minute or a week is not what defines hunting. it doesn't matter if the enclosure is 100 feet or 5000 acres. Hunting has been defined as the pursuit of WILD Animals with the intent to kill them. WILD is pertinent to the definition.
Most TV hunters your heroes, are either hunting fence, or large non fenced are areas of alot of acres, that are very controlled. They are not filming on public ground.
What does that benefit? Well for you purist , how about a wheel chair hunter, that uses a Long bow. A guy with severe MS, a girl with Cerebal Palsy, there is a good need for many of these places.
I am fortunate to hunt Ontario, the UP, NW MN ETC, With a gun, by tracking, many can not do that.
Most bowhunts I watch on Bowhunter TV, are on. Controlled land. And I love Bowhunter TV.
SO many self righteous hunters here on line.
Many can not afford SA. Great area, but most is shot off self set ups.
Very few are hunting free range in New Zewland or Argentina.
Point is, it's all good
I do not think most of the posters are self righteous, they are merely pointing out shooting in a pen is not wild hunting. In my case, I was extremely clear, pen hunting was simply not for me. I could care less if others kill in a pen, whether they have disabilities, or do not. I will say this in plain English " hunting ain't what it use to be, especially archery hunting ".
“The spirit of the wild is not inside a fence”
And Sawtooth nailed it
Nothing wrong hunting high fence. Pens are another matter. I've been on high fence ranches in Texas big enough to get lost in. So pick your high fence ranch wisely.
cnelk is spot on. Accept one will likely be a record the others are what they are just kills.
Years ago he shot a monster nontypical and typical whitetail out of an elevated blind 10 minutes apart. Both were well over Boone and Crockett minimums. I forget if it was with bow or crossbow. It was never stated that it was or was not high fence but I think we know.
It’s his thing. You can like it or hate it but he can’t hide from it. It’s who he is and has been and will continue to be at this point.
The part I don't understand about shooting sheep or goats on flat ground is that it might as well be a hog. Sheep are what they are because of their ability to move around in the mountains. Be like shooting an alligator on the prairies in a fence. I understand it's cheaper than shooting a wild sheep but you actually can't compare the two IMO. Once it's in a pen on flat ground it's no longer a sheep. Like taking a Lamborghini off roading. It just doesn't compute in my brain. Doesn't bother me that another guy does it. Just doesn't compute for me. At least the animal in this case lives ok. It's not a 1.5 year old deer with a 400" rack that can hardly walk or eat because of what it is.
Who cares? Hunt (or shoot animals) any legal way you choose
Some of the post above are the people who care.
Personally too me, don't care if it's a 10-acer high fence, a hundred acer high fence, or a 10,000 acer high fence, a can is a can only different size...
Just can't believe Ted didn't move the camera around as to not photograph the fence in the background...
Good point. If you couldn’t see the darn fence the landscape and scenery could pass for 17,000 foot peaks in kyrzakestan or Mongolia. He missed an opportunity for sure
Might take a look at Mathew 7 verse 1
You'all have better eyes than I do. I don't see a fence in that pic. (not that I don't understand there is one, I just don't see it)
Big eh to me. Same as a guided hunt. He probably enjoyed it for what it was and doesn't seem to be passing it off for something it's not.
"Spirit of the Wild"...inside a fence. What a joke !
loprofile for the win!!!!!!!!!!!
"You'all have better eyes than I do. I don't see a fence in that pic"
For SD...
I’ve hunted highfence in Zimbabwe (32,000 acres) and several ranches in SA, that were (9000 or more acres). And there was not cross fencing in these. Yes, it’s not like free range, but it’s also not a “pen” where the animal has no chance. In Zimbabwe, the fence is as much to keep poachers out as it is to keep the animals in the fence. I have no interest in hunting high fence animals in the USA, but if some people do want to do that, I don’t care.
Thanks Zbone!
Lol, I still don't freaking see it though! All I see is trees with a hill behind them that is skylined/backlit. My wife swears I couldn't see a 3 gallon pick jar on the front shelf of the pantry to save my life. So maybe I'm just blind.
zbone, that is not a fence. the light-colored marks that you think are fence posts is the skyline thru the trees.
Great advocate for our rights I maybe dont agree with his methods but You just go Ted
RonP, my eyes say fence posts...
How tall are they, couldn't say, but higher than 4-strand barbwire and they sure are high enough to pen that ram...
I also don’t think those white things are the tops of T posts.
I think he’s doing ok for firearms rights but I’m not so sure I’d want non hunters and anti hunters to think we are all like him.
I hunted a place in Northern California that had wild Russian boars, it was fenced, but man they were tough to hunt!! Super cagey and would bolt at the slightest sound!! It was a fun hunt!! I went there three times and killed twice!
I believe it was around a thousand acres or so and super brushy and hilly!
I don’t see fence post either.
I kind of get the message. For the average guy that wants to shoot one of them. It’s more than likely financially easier to shoot one in Texas instead of flying halfway around the world.
Since it is Texas I am assuming it’s high fence. To each their own if that’s what they want to do.
As far as promoting it. I think it’s ok if the shooter is up front about what there doing.
Remember when PETA publicly attacked HSUS and ALF?
LMAO. 4 decades of outfitting in 9 states, 12 countries and the one thing I did learn is some hunters need high fences and some don't and none of that ever really mattered if everyone was having a good time.
Well, if it's not a fence but rather the skyline, a road or a lake, my apologies, I've been wrong once before...8^)
It's ok Zbone.
I thought I was wrong once... but I was mistaken.
One thing I am pretty confident about. High fence critics don’t bother Ted
Field Ethos post today. Nice digital magazine.
I hate those hats for some reason.
Uncle Ted is a bit abrasive at times, but at the end of the day he’s a good leader for our sport. Nobody will ever accuse him of sugarcoating anything.
I am a Trump voter, but I do not believe this is the type of messaging that gets voters to support hunting.
A draft dodging pedophile is a "good leader for our sport". Why, because he signed your vulgar hat ?
Does anyone think this guy convinces those not already convinced of it to adopt his position. Does anyone think he is a change agent? Does anyone think he influences those undecided or in the middle to move towards hunting as an honorable and respectable activity that is enjoyed by normal people? Does anyone think his rants and comments as delivered are contrary to the negative stereotype people may have of hunters or do they reinforce them.
Is there any other supporter for guns or hunting that is as polarizing even WITHIN OUR RANKS as this person?
Just asking
Some people seem to think that you can catch more flies with a baseball bat than with honey.
Hunters want to pose as caring and conservationists, but oftentimes act like uneducated derelicts.
"A draft dodging pedophile"
WHAT, pedophile, hadn't heard that one...
Look it up
you won’t have a tough time finding it.
Doesn’t make it true but a lot out there for something not to be true
Then there is the song called jailbait he wrote. You can imagine what that beauty is about but the lyrics are available and that is true
Hey Ted, I hear you like 'em young. Or something like that.
Even more amazing,I dont think he’s ever owned an arrow saw.
"Look it up" X2
Shit himself and didn't bathe for weeks to get out of going to Vietnam. My dad and a whole lot of other men went and fought and a lot gave their lives.
F Ted.
He’s a chode. Anyone who hunts livestock behind a fence is also a chode.
Hey, fellas — be nice. Only “flaming liberals” take issue with sexually abusive draft-dodgers around here…
No wonder Ted was happy to sign that hat. Solidarity, Baby!!
Ted now promoting crossbows???
"Ted Nugent Partners With TenPoint For Crossbow Giveaway"
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He has for twenty plus years.
,,,,"high fence critics don't bother Ted",,,, it seems game laws don't bother him either.
Here’s an example of why I’m not a fan. I was attending an outdoor show in Novi Michigan. The Outdoorama. Every year they paid Ted to be a speaker. $12,000 for one hour. The promoter of the show was a really nice guy and very professional. He didn’t care for Ted’s abrasive personality, but the decision wasn’t his.
One year uncle Ted was going on a rant about killing predators. Any and all predators. Of course he likes to bring God into the equation. He was yelling that it is your God-given duty as a hunter to shoot every predator you can. He went on to list them all. At the end of his list were any dogs and cats that are running astray killing our wildlife.
I was just standing there, watching the crowd and their zebra striped cowboy hats and all that jazz. The little boy next to me looked at his dad and said dad is someone gonna shoot our dog. There were a few people around that disagreed with what he said. The show manager told me a few people complained. That was the last year. Ted spoke at that show.
Funny story. Prior to the show I saw one of his videos that rubbed me the wrong way. So I emailed him. I offered him a free pack in elk hunt in Western Montana. I told him he could bring his son Rocco, and his wife along as well. Admittedly, I included a cocky statement that when something like, let me show you what real hunting is. lol
His wife emailed back saying that they didn’t have time for despicable jealous people like me. When I arrived in Michigan, I went into the office and there they were. I went over and said hi. I’m the guy that offered you the Montana elk hunt. Ted didn’t say a word. He might not have even known about it. But she made a few smart ass comments before walking away. She is one of the world’s most successful groupies. I’ll give her that. I have a habit of calling a spade a spade.
I think he might have a bit of a positive affect on gun rights. Maybe not. But I don’t think he’s helping our hunting privileges at all.
One time, my wife surprised me with tickets in the very front row dead center to see Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Ted Nugent, and then ZZ Top. Now that’s something he’s good at!
Yeah, sometimes a good 'cause' can have less-than-ideal spokesman. (Thinking about Jack Kevorkian...)
I always thought he looked like Robert Culp.
Ive met him in Texas at Airport. In uniform heading to west Texas. Was amped when i told him i hunted with my own Archery gear.
Old friend of mine grew up right near his home place. They hunted a good bit when he was a teenager with single string. Ernie said he was a good shot shooting a pretty heavy bow.
Every one has a bitch about some one...Ted happens to be the bitch from far too many "sportsmen"
Or not enough depending on how you see it.
One time at that Novi Michigan show a guy won a free hunt on Ted’s property in Michigan. He said there was not one living thing on that property. Never saw a deer or anything else. Does that come as a surprise?
Not a surprise, they all got whacked and stacked. The delivery of the replacement stock probably hadn’t showed up yet.
People can say what they want about Ted and they will and he doesn’t care nor should he but he has one major claim to fame……………
It’s really not easy and takes a very unique personality to be so polarizing INSIDE one’s own group. That level of strong diametrically opposite opinion is normally reserved for people outside versus people inside.
