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How many of you guys hunt with self bows
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Contributors to this thread:
phillybowhunter 03-Jan-11
spider1 03-Jan-11
Metikki 03-Jan-11
Outbackbob48 03-Jan-11
Jeff Durnell 03-Jan-11
RC 03-Jan-11
Keystone 04-Jan-11
phillybowhunter 04-Jan-11
George D. Stout 04-Jan-11
williethebarber 04-Jan-11
RC 04-Jan-11
Jeff Durnell 04-Jan-11
Flintknocker 05-Jan-11
Jeff Durnell 05-Jan-11
Zman 11-Jan-11
RC 11-Jan-11
ny griz 11-Jan-11
George D. Stout 11-Jan-11
Alpinbogen 13-Jan-11
stickhunter 13-Jan-11
Bassman 05-Jun-20
Will tell 08-Jun-20
03-Jan-11
Over the last few years my interest in building and hunting with a self bow has grown to the point that it is time to do it. How many of you guys have done this and how many bows were built before you made one that worked well enough to hunt with? I have read the bowyers bible 1&2. I would like to use some local wood (hickory). Any advice would be helpfull. Thanks and good luck out there in the late season.

From: spider1
03-Jan-11
Seems to me the next step would be to get some wood and start cutting. Hickory is a fine wood, if you can get yourself a good stave, have at it. Only advice I can give you at this point is if you intend on making a selfbow, or a backed bow... don't be too disappointed if your first few attempts don't measure up. It's a learning process.

From: Metikki
03-Jan-11
Start out with hickory. Simple/tough enuff wood that can handle some problems assoc. with making your 1st bow.

My 1st was osage and I screwed it up. 2nd was ash and it's still shooting. Hickory is readily available and cheap and it makes a fine selfbow. Make a few then start tryin other woods.

Hickory bow- 66" nock to nock. 4" handle centered in the length-1.75" deep. 1-5/8" limb width at handle to 16" from nock then taper to 1/2" nocks. Start with 5/8" thick limbs from handle to nock. Whittle from there to desired draw weight. I use heavy grit sandpaper at this point. sand same amount from each limb and after sanding say 50 passes then bend bow on tiller tree. ALWAYS bend bow after wood removal before draw.

Hickory loves moisture so keep it in the house or basement to protect it until you're done.

This is a simple easy to follow example that will get you bending wood.

From: Outbackbob48
03-Jan-11
Philly, My first selfbow was a hickory an it still shoots but it was a slug an kicked like a mule. My second self bow was a osage long bow with flipped tips an a real shooter, I shot a deer this year with this bow using cane arrows an stone tips that were all made by me,So as you can see this can lead to one addiction after another,bowbuilding,arrow making, flintknapping,braintanning an on an on. Becareful highly addictive. Just finished a Bamboo- Ipe laminated wood bow, I really like this bow an can't wait till next deer season. Have fun an enjoy your journey. Bob

From: Jeff Durnell
03-Jan-11
Selfbows are all I've hunted with for many years... except for the occasional sinew-backed bow.

My first bow was an osage selfbow, it's a shooter, and I still have it. It's not pretty and certainly not the most efficient bow I ever made, but in light of the fact that up to that point I had never even SEEN one... it's ok I suppose.

My second bow was osage as well, considerably better in all regards, and hunt worthy. I've had wonderful hunting success with it.

Advice? If you use hickory, or any such 'white wood' (where you'll be using the sapwood for the bow), and you didn't cut it yourself, make SURE you get it from someone who knows what they're doing. I've had truckloads of hickory(and many other woods, including osage) given to me by well-meaning folks that was completely useless for bows because it was improperly cared for.

If the prospective supplier can't tell you when a whitewood like hickory was cut, how long it layed before split and debarked, and brought inside to begin drying... don't bother with it. Osage can be left laying on the ground outside sometimes for months, while whitewoods degrade very quickly. When it comes to whitewoods, I cut them, split them, and bring them inside, all in the same day... the next day at the very latest. They may not HAVE to be done that quickly, but I'm not taking unneccesary chances with my bow wood and bowmaking efforts.

I had a guy give me a whole truckload of BEAUTIFUL hickory splits one time, but unfortunately he'd kept them outside on the ground and covered with plastic for several weeks. He thought he was protecting them from the elements, but because of ground moisture, trapped condensation and resulting internal cell degredation... it LOOKED ok, but once I got to bending it, it was like rubber, no resiliency, and all worthless.

These aren't static pieces of furnature we're making here, bows of wood are VERY dynamic pieces and need to meet certain, special requisites... inside and out. It was a shame, he was proud of all that beautiful, straight, clean hickory, and I burned every single piece.

Understand too that there are many good wooden bow designs out there, even though many good bowyers subscribe solely to one theory or another. I don't generally make my hickory bows as described in The Bowyer's Bible unless it's a replica or something. I more follow the Dean Torges "Hunting the Osage Bow" school of thought on the deal, and merely widen and lengthen the osage bow dimensions when using white woods. The above is a VERY good book by the way... the only book on the subject in my posession when I began, and EVERY ONE of my first attempts resulted in functional bows.

While this bowyerin' thing is largely about experimenting with different woods, techniques, and designs, making your first bow or two slightly 'overbuilt' and along the lines of a basic time-proven design will give you a little error margin which is a good thing for a new bowyer who doesn't have his tool using technique or tillering skills yet refined. It gives you a little wiggle room. Now is the time to learn those skills and the basics of design(and their combined effects) more than push the limits of the woods capabilities.

There's years worth of learning and experimentation ahead, so don't try to learn or do too much too fast, but pay GREAT attention to detail, take LOTS of notes, realize that more can be learned from mistakes than successes, so scrutinize them closely and make any needed corrections/adjustments, but most of all... enjoy your journey... it's truly exraordinary, and I envy you.

"So long as the new moon returns in Heaven a bent, beautiful bow, so long with the fascination of archery keep hold of the hearts of men." Maurice Thompson

From: RC
03-Jan-11
I only hunt with wood bows I make. But I can't call them selfbows because they are backed with bamboo.

From: Keystone
04-Jan-11
All I have hunting with for the past 9 years have been selfbows except for this year, it was an osage board bow backed with hickory. You were given some good advise above. The only thing I might say is go ahead and start with Osage but if possible have someone who has built selfbows help you with the first one. I have built selfbows from hickory but my best hunting bows have been Osage. There is nothing in this world like taking a game animal with a bow you made with your own two hands.

If you are an avid hunter you have to becarful though, once you start building bows you might like it so much it could cut into your hunting time.

04-Jan-11
Thank you everyone for all the advice

04-Jan-11
phillybowhunter...they are magic. Really. Get yourself one and find out for yourself 8^)))).

04-Jan-11
I hunt with a Osage self bow, hope to kill a turkey this spring with a self bow and homemade box call with a cedar stone tipped arrow. No blinds or decoys.

From: RC
04-Jan-11
Where is Ron, Herd, and Treerat. I thought for sure they would weigh in here..

From: Jeff Durnell
04-Jan-11
Willie, I wish you all the best in your quest.

I'll be doing similarly come spring... turks with an osage selfbow, multiflora rose shoot arrows, pounded trade heads, home-made slate call, no blinds or decoys.

From: Flintknocker
05-Jan-11
A failed effort is still a huge success if your head is on straight...and you learn something in the process. I started my first wood bow when I was about eighteen years old. It was a three and half inch diameter osage 'sucker' a friend from south central PA gave me. Unfortunately it was only about 58" long. Fortunately, I merely roughed it out, before I realized I was into a project that was a bit beyond my capabilities. Believe it or not, it stayed in my 'affects'..until about 1983, the year I turned 30. By that time I had built about 25 laminated longbows and maybe a dozen laminated recurves...and found I'd also built a pretty nasty sensitivity to epoxy resins, and glass resins. I'd build a bow and itch terribly for a month and half. I got out the old osage sucker. By that time I'd learned a bowyer's worst enemy is impatience, especially in the later stages of the work, when you need it most. That little chunk of 'sage turned into an incredibly beautiful little flat bow, with ever so slightly recurved tips, about 70 lbs at my 27" "traditional" bent elbow draw. It was the first of many, and of many different woods. And the passion of building them hasn't diminished one bit, just the time to do so. That, mostly due to the fact I've got a bunch of other old timey interests, too. I'll admit I've had a few break, but always in the shop, and most, pieces of wood that were a bit suspect to begin with. To counter that, I've had more than what broke, that were 'iffy'to start turn into truely exquisite marvels. If my memory serves me correctly, I think that a few more of the laminates have failed than the selfbows, altogether tho' not more than five or six combined, outta maybe 60 bows? I've given some away, sold a few, and have maybe a dozen selfbows, a handful of sinew backed, and 5 or 6 laminated longbows, and just two of my recurves yet. I can't bring myself to part with any them, yet:) Which in my mind is a travesty, for a lot of reasons. Although I love them all deerly:)..and shoot most them at least a couple times in the course of year, when it comes time to pick one up and head for the mountains...it's always one of just three bows. A 60 lb. laminated bamboo, glass-backed and faced longbow, a sixty-five pound spliced billet osage longbow that is the fastest, sweetest drawing, kickless bow I've ever built, and also ironically the last one I've finished, or a 62" inch osage recurve selfbow 57# @ 27", that was run over by a car, re-constructed..and still shoots like a dream (meaning..it never misses:). I've taught several dozen folks what little I know, which basically that I don't know all that much, but do know I love wood, and tend to feel pretty inclined to spend time with other folks who do, too.

That time is usually spent just admiring their work, and treasing them into trying their hands at some of the other 'supportive' arts to go with their wood fetishes. Like stone work, or the ten thousand projects that lay at the end of the blood trail:)) Some have taken the 'bait':) I've had the distinct pleasure of listening to some of them descibe, almost verbatim, the exact emotions I felt when I took my first deer with a bow made by my hands, and an arrow made with stone tools, tipped with a lethally sharp stone point, out of a quiver made from the brain-tanned hide of the previous one.

It's real difficult not to 'feel' everything I tried feebly to put into words here, when someone hands me one of their own wood bows.

Charlie, I'd humbly suggest you hurry up and get yerself a few good pieces of wood, and then promptly stop hurrying..but get started on yer own trail. The 'panel' that's already chimed in here will provide all the encouragement and help you need, no doubts.

Git yerself some wood..and git going!!!

:)

From: Jeff Durnell
05-Jan-11
Awesome post, Ed... mirroring many of my sentiments.

Ron, not all selfbows are created equal. If they splintered or otherwise failed, they either weren't constructed correctly, made of less than good quality material, or they were abused, damaged, etc. You can't just leave them strung for months like you can a bow entombed in fiberglass, but a good quality selfbow is very durable, reliable, accurate, and effective. It's also not fair to judge all selfbows by what you've seen in novice work. Everyone has to start somewhere, but do you judge all glass bows by a new bowyers first attempt or two? or even their first several bows?

That said, I've seen many fiberglass/wood laminated recurves with limb twist, tips torn down and out, delaminated, AND even MORE where the glass failed at the riser fadeouts from general use. Most of which were by big name makers. In my experience, glass bows aren't inherently more durable than selfbows.

My favorite, and hence most-used, selfbow is osage, 60# @ 28", 7 years old and has had thousands of arrows shot from it and it looks and shoots no different now than it did when it was new. Not a single issue ever and no indication that it doesn't have many thousands more shots, and many years of hard use left in it.

Like Ed said, the few selfbows that didn't survive for me, were those whose wood included a major flaw(grain, knot, knot hole, etc) REALLY heavy 'character bows', or were those of 'untraditional' bow woods in my extreme experimental phase. Bowyers tend to push the limits of the material and design, either due to lack of experience, or after they gain some experience and seek more challenge in their craft. We tend to try to coax bows from wood that have 'fail' written all over them, because when it works out... we've invested more of 'us' in them, they look really cool and are very unique.

But in all fairness, and reality, such bows don't fail "because they're selfbows".

I trust each and every one of my hunt-worthy selfbows with my life.

From: Zman
11-Jan-11
I do.

From: RC
11-Jan-11
Jeff, just let it go. Most of what he says is like dust in the wind.

From: ny griz
11-Jan-11
Bamboo backed ipe with osage riser,purple heart insert in riser.49#.She likes shooting wood or carbons.No alums.Griz

11-Jan-11
My Ol' Buck, lemonwood backed with clarified calfskin, from 1940, is still traveling the circuit and has been since 2006. A well made selfbow, or backed bow, will give years of service. They aren't for some folks, but that's okay.

From: Alpinbogen
13-Jan-11
I've hunted with selfbows and wooden arrows almost exclusively for the last decade. Usually get two deer a year. Don't underestimate them. I like the whole self-reliant aspect and that the hunt and the shot is "all me", and on the level with the natural world. Nothing manufactured, nothing assisted.

My suggestion is to read "Hunting the Osage Bow" and beg, borrow, or steal a clean osage or hickory stave. That gives the highest odds for a solid, hunting weight bow right out of the starting gate.

From: stickhunter
13-Jan-11
Not yet, but might try to build one before spring turk. season. Built and hunted with some boo backed bows but they are not considered self bows by defenition:-)

From: Bassman
05-Jun-20
I have made a bunch of them ,and have successfully hunted with them.

From: Will tell
08-Jun-20
Hunted with them and stone points, sorry to say haven't killed anything but missed a few deer and a nice Jake Turkey. Saw the biggest buck I've ever seen hunting Squirrels with my self bow. I moved and five minutes later a Doe came out really nervous and a few minutes later a huge 14 point stepped out right where I was. I know it was a 14 point because it got shot in deer season.

If you can find someone to mentor you, I went to a bow building class and came out with a nice Osage bow.

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