Chasing Tail in New Canaan
Connecticut
History Channel premiers "Chasing Tail", a show about deer hunters in New Canaan. It's good to finally get it out on the air. I hope you guys enjoy it.
Luke
History Channel premiers "Chasing Tail", a show about deer hunters in New Canaan. It's good to finally get it out on the air. I hope you guys enjoy it.
Luke
History Channel premiers "Chasing Tail", a show about deer hunters in New Canaan. It's good to finally get it out on the air. I hope you guys enjoy it.
Luke
Season One, Episode 1:
Welcome To Deer Camp
Episode Synopsis: A rookie hunter aims big in the opener of this series, in which a group of blue-collar men are paid to hunt deer in wealthy Connecticut suburbs.
Original Air Date: Apr 11, 2013
Wait...... They get pay to hunt deer?
I have actually been ask how much do I charge. Not by landowners but co workers.
I have never heard of white b in New Cannan ubc had a big push there years back .There are not the deer there that used to be its like Redding .I will watch the show .Steve
Dr Deer - are you on the show? In watching the promo one guy sort of looked like the pic's you have posted (if I remember correctly)...
If they are being paid they are not hunting.. they are exterminators.
I hope this show doesnt give bow hunters a black eye.
Dead deer bleeding on a pool cover, dragging deer through a front yard? Thats the last thing I want my landowners to see.
I don't know where one of the third parties came up with "paid to hunt deer". We don't. It is never represented as that. Yes, I am on it and it's going to be funny and good. I am sure opinions here will vary, but overall, I think it will be entertaining and be GOOD for hunters and hunting. 90% of the voting population does not hunt and don't belong to anti-hunitng groups. The more likable and human we are perceived by the 90 the better. Keep in mind, 24/7 the anti's are trying to vilify us with their millions of dollars a year. We don't have those funds. But now, at least we have Chasing Tail
Just watched the promo, ill definatley be watching all episodes for sure. If any film crew is reading this send me a message. Come follow me around and film me hunt whitetails with my bow on connectiut state land only in 2013. I need a Camera operator, male or female. Come make a television show with me and a few of my hunting buddy's. Your sure to get awesome ratings as we are a funny, dedicated group of individuals chasing deer from September 16 - December 31
Was this the past season ?
Came from TV Guide Doc:
Chasing Tail Episode: "Welcome to Deer Camp" Season 1, Episode 1
Episode Synopsis: A rookie hunter aims big in the opener of this series, in which a group of blue-collar men are paid to hunt deer in wealthy Connecticut suburbs. Original Air Date: Apr 11, 2013
I'm thinking your are not the rookie.
Oh, yeah, I know that the misinformation begins with the TV guide listing. I just don't know where they got their info. Also, they have it as airing on Thursday and Friday at ten. That is incorrect. Episode one airs on thursday at ten and episode 2 is right after at 1030.
luke....please tell me you got some footage airing of you smoking one with one of Mark's bows? :)
I have no comment about this show except to say I don't have good feelings about it.
I can't really comment about content, production or anything. I will let is speak for itself. My only suggestion is to have an open mind and consider what is currently happening to hunting, on the current course. Fewer hunters, fewer young hunters in particular. Something as simple as a movie in which the heroine shoots a bow (Hunger Games) has made archery suddenly more popular. We get together on this site to share ideas and opinions, which is what makes it a good site. I don't expect anything in particular from my fellows. Some will like it, some will not. Some like Nugent, some do not. And so it goes. Thank God we live in America where we can say whats on our minds.
And sorry, Hickstick, but I did kill with a recurve but not MM's. I needed a recurve on both coasts so as to stay sharp and I chose my MM to live in CA and my BW to be in CT.
These guys called me about setting them up with some properties in Redding. The person who called first couldn't answer most of my questions and after he got the answers and called me back, I said "I'll pass thanks".
It seemed as if they were more interested in hunting properties where "interesting" things might happen, than simply maximizing deer encounters. I forget if he was the producer, director or a production guy, but he clearly didn't know much about hunting, and his priority WASN"T portraying hunters in a positive light.
Dr. Deer, knowing that you are on the show gives me some hope, Good luck.
"The one thing this show has going for it, though, is that the “hunters” actually have all their teeth, and appear to be keeping their shirts on for the duration of the show."
Greg Caggiano
I'm watching it for the entretainment value. I wanna see how Connecticut bow hunters are represented in the show before I have an opinion.
Forget the deer I want the corvette!! reminds me of some of my spots 1 lady had a 66 got convertible that her husband bought new and a lady had a 66 chevelle convertible only a 6 in it I even rebuilt the carb for her .Never know what people have hanging around .STEVE
Think I will pass.
Showcasing deer hunting as means of pest control in gold coast neigbhorhood backyards is not the way I think our pastime should be introduced to the uninitiated.
Just my opinion.
Wow. So many negative thoughts even though absolutely nothing has aired yet. Here is a taste.
I hate to say it but i see nothing positive coming from this......
I wonder how you get asked to be part of something like this? I'm very curious and would really like to be able to eventually get at least one of my whitetail hunts on a national television hunting show.
It was just lucky. It helps that I have been hunting all over Fairfield County for many years. In fact, our activities are not limited to a single town, as my thread title suggests. We are all over. Many of the permittees have been having me/us help with the deer population for years.
So now we know that 1) a deer dies on a pool cover (or is placed there for effect), 2) a deer is dragged across a suburban yard and 3) one of the hunters, named Mike, shoots 3-D deer targets in the neck ...
Are you really surprised that some people are apprehensive about whether Bow Hunters are going to be portrayed in a positive light?
You got me Doc... I gotta check it out. thursday at 10 it is...
I'm not to positive that this is going to help bowhunters be seen in a better light. To the average American, seeing deer killed in the burbs is going to be MORE polarizing than anything else.
I'm a hunter and even I hate hunting in the burbs. Lol
But BK, that's where the deer are. Anyway, I have been a defender of hunting and an anti to the anti's for many years. I have written hundreds of "letters to the editor" and the long-timers on this site know that. I have organize controlled hunts on woodland parks in Darien on behalf of the Deer Committee there. I have never been one to stand on the sidelines and wait for someone else to do the work or criticize those that do. Certainly, carrying the message of responsible men and women hunting for enjoyment and the benefit of the habitat is important to me.
That being said, a public service piece is one thing and television entertainment is another. If hunters want to band together and spend a few hundred million a year on press like the anti hunters do, they would. The danger to our beloved hunting does not reside in the content of a reality based television show. It resides in the apathy of many of us. Contempt without investigation is one step beneath apathy.
Diehard hunter here but plain disgusted... dead deer on a pool cover? geeze. What side are you on? The fire is over there and you just brought the gas. Do you seriously believe that is shineing a positive light to our sport?
I'm holding comment until I see for myself. No reason for negativity by a 15 second promo. I'm sure if they want ratings, the best way to ruffle some treehugger anti's feathers would be to show a bloody deer shot in the ear being dragged across a high powered republican billionaire Fanny Mae CEO's lawn.
BTW, reality based TV has not yet destroyed:
Police work, Game Warden work, trucking on icy roads, pawn shops, storage unit buying, plastic surgery, commercial fishing, making duck calls and hunting ducks, commercial alligator hunting, picking antiques in barns, logging, and a bunch of other industries.
Just sayin...
Dr Deer,
My opinion may be wrong. As a matter of fact, I probably should have had a wait and see attitude. Please forgive me if I offended you. My experience does not mean that it is everyone's experience.
Wish you well on the show. I will definitely be watching.
All the best, R
Dr. Deer,
Looking forward to the show, I'm sure it will shine a good light on maintaining a healthy deer herd and the need to control the population. Are you guys producing the show or did a production company approach you guys?
How long have you fellas been filming?
Why Does The Tv Guide Say It Airs On The 11Th?
I believe there is a sneak 2 minute preview tonight at eleven. Episode one airs April 11 at 10 pm. Followed by episode 2 right after. I am not permitted to say anything about the content, production etc. It will speak for itself. Watch and see. But on the topic of hunting, politics, ethics, you name it, of course I have opinions. But a non-disclosure agreement means just that, so the show is off limits.
For $20K they can keep my wife!
I will watch the first episode and judge the show after. I just have a bad feeling it was made for ratings, like a dead deer on a pool cover, or showing a harvested deer in a bad scene to piss off people who give us permission in that area . I always here how they edit the footage to make it outrageous for ratings.
Good info. Is the sky still falling?
Lol GED. That's what I thought. Specially if they send me a hot one. I ain't no Walmart. No returns accepted.
Dr.Deer, do you know how many episodes to run for season one?
I just saw the commercial ...did not look too bad at all
History added a new website about it.
http://www.history.com/shows/chasing-tail/cast/rob-lucas
I am in episode two. 1030. I think you will like it.
DD,
You guys pulling that trailer everywhere you go hunting in CT?
There is also chasing tail outdoors (CTO).
Tonight's the night!!! Been waiting for a long time to see this!!!
Nothing good will come of this.
This show is a joke! I can't believe real hunters agreed to do this, from the little bit I have watched so far it is portraing hunting as a joke. Smoking cigarettes, dead deer on pool covers, hitting deer bad and not being able to recover them right away. Then a guy sitting in a tree swearing up and down about a family walking around. What a shame!
Oh great now they find it after it was shot in the throat. Why would anyone do this?
absolute garbage...thankyou Dr. Deer for helping all of us take several steps backwards. did you receive your PETA card yet?
Driving in the middle of town with the deer in the basket is just wrong.
Why not put it on the bed of the truck?
Rookie hunte Louier: Wanna keep pushing it?
Really? Bowhunters push wounded deer?
Can they swear a little more?
Asking permission on full cammo?
Do they ever take the camo off?
Tofu burger? Free range chicken? Sorry, you sound like an ass.
You draw when the deer are looking directly at you?
Sorry, show sucked.
Amen CTCrow...a total discredit to bowhunting and deer hunting in general
I don't think they give out cards. Is it possible some of you are taking this a bit too seriously? Got something against camo? I wear Sitka, very stylish.
I haven't been on the forum in quite a while but had to rejoin just to chime in on this one. I thought the the show was great! Very educational and professional! These guys are the real deal! And with all of that pressure their under,that was some amazing shooting! How Can you blame them for having a smoke in the tree? These guys are under a lot of pressure to produce results and phenomenal footage! Just kidding, this was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen!!!! I can see why you hunt down there in not in VT, cigarette thing probably doesn't pan out to well in the big woods does it? I could go on forever but I don't even know where to start. This is not good. I'm really at a loss for words right now. I guess the only friendly advice I can come up with, your in the clear on this one Doc, you guys have got to start taking better care of yourselves so that you can enjoy your passion for as long as you can. Need to chill on the calories and the smokes if you guys want to stick around and enjoy allthat urban action. Good luck fellas, I think you might have your hands full for bit with this one, not your bellies. Peace, Eats
"Who's property are we on?..I don't know?..want to push him some more?..." Really guys!? Sorry, just had to vent a little more so I can sleep.
I watched the show I even met them guys at the cooler one time and have seen that truck around that show must of been really put on ,I know for a fact them guys shoot a ton of deer even to many in my book .Dont think it dose much for hunting but most was true have had many people say sit on my deck and kill them [I Didn't ]but that stuff dose happen .Rob the TV makes you look heavy .LOL
Dvr'd and watched the first with an open mind. Doubt I can get thru the 2nd one - just another bad "reality" show scripted and enhanced attempting to provide some type of entertainment value.
just watched the show last evening, not impressed at all!
The way that show portrayed suburban hunters makes me embarrassed to be one!
I DVRed the show as well. I couldn't sleep because my cable box kept smoking and swearing at me all night. Even after I turned it off.
While I accept the fact that a reality show doesn't always = reality...Chasing Tails did not present the bowhunter in the best light. The whole "Deer Camp" image, the deer on the carrier, the camo in the diner, trailing of the deer etc...all may stir the pot of conversation, as it has here, but I don't think the nonhunting community will find this show as an eye opener that shows the serious hunter in a positive light. This reality format perpetuates stereotypes and casts a dark shadow on all hunters. It was cool to see you involved Rob. In my opinion, you have been an outstanding advocate for the bowhunter in FF County longer than most here have even hunted. I know that you have defended our rights and promoted the bowhunter as an effective management tool to help to control the deer population in an ethical and professional manner in populated areas. You have done this very well for many years. The reality show concept seems to survive, and even thrive, off of characters and controversy. I don't think the bowhunter needs these terotypes and stigmas that this show seemed to portrait. I hope it gets better. Congrats Rob, it's a cool opportunity and I agree with Steve, TV adds 10 lbs to you. Lol. Eat more tofu!!
From a multi-generation family of bowhunters-- this show is disgusting. Never met any group of so-called hunters with such disrespect for wildlife. These Yankee jerks shot deer in the throat, the rectum and anywhere else they could, then refer to their kill as "fat asses" and "dragging their butts" out. If the show is meant to make legitimate hunters look stupid, crude and inhumane, it's succeeded. Piece of garbage.
Vdaiuto,
My wife said the same thing. She said if a guy I let hunt in my property tells me go back in the house the way that guy did, he would be out of there in no time. He wouldn't even sit back down.
It's not a "hunting show" and it does make us all look bad.
Terrible depiction of the bowhunting community in FFLD County. As a bowhunter I prefer to be secretive and not announce my presence. Keep to myself and take pride in my ability to get as close as I can undetected to my quarry. The time practicing, keeping scent-free, scouting, getting in my stand in the dark and leaving in the dark...out the window in this show. The deer we kill deserve more respect than what was depicted on the show.
I was actually happy that there were no true CT hunters on the show. That's our saving grace. What a piss-poor bunch of hacks. And I'm glad they hunt on private land...I couldn't image running across any of them on State land. I watched with my 14 year-old son and he just kept saying to me "Dad, this is not how it is for real." It's not even entertaining...totally set-up.
To all the guys and gals that do the right way...kudos to you.
Such potential, but they blew it. Too many reasons to list.
Has anyone written/is planning to write to history channel? Time to break out the keyboards and get this show off the air.
Now I have to figure out how to explain to people who know that I am a hunter that this is not reality for any self respecting CT bowhunter. There is a big difference between being a hunter and being a killer who provides a "service" to the community. It's sad that this is the direction hunting has gone for many. This does nothing but reinforce everything the anti's already think about us collectively. Big black eye for all hunters, just what we need right now!
Yikes,
Glad I decided to pass on this.
Too many at fault to list! Write History Channel, local CT papers, get on Twitter! Post pictures of the deer bleeding from the rectum if you can get them from the show. Legitimate hunters ought to be organized and outraged. What's next, bow control?
That show just shut a lot of doors for us as bowhunters in CT! I know if I were a landowner and didn't hunt there would be NO chance of me ever giving permission to anyone to hunt my property after watching that. Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way which these clowns obviously have a lack of. They should be ashamed of themselves!
I agree Brian M, such potential but they blew it. This show could really been positive. They could have portrayed courtious hunters helping out landowners, having a bit of fun, showing how they respected the animals/nature instead of using the tree as an ashtray, respecting peope instead of getting pissed about a family taking a walk on their own property, respecting property boundaries especially when they already made a statement that they cannot go on adjoining properties, maybe could have included a lot more about taking care of the meat and donating it to the needy instead of using it as a bartering tool to get more property. The whole show was terrible, especially that deck scene. Not hunting off of the deck in particular (besides the fool using a grunt call), but the interactions with the landowners was so staged that it was pathetic. I guess that does not make good television these days.
Few things I noticed from this piss poor excuse for entertainment. Complete disgrace This is why I hate out of state hunters. These guys are a joke, not to mention horrible shots. I saw a neck shot and 2 gut shots in one episode thus far.
1. Real hunters don't smoke cigs in stand 2. Real hunters don't shoot deer in the neck 3. Real hunters don't push wounded deer 4. Real hunters don't shoot deer out of houses or off of porches 5. Real hunters don't throw it in peoples faces (ie. driving through town with dead deer on their cars and walking around in full camo everywhere)
These guys are completely clueless and an embarrassment to CT and bowhunting. I just hope that the show gets cancelled and these guys lose their permission to the properties. I also hope it doesn't give every dipshit within driving distance to Fairfield county to come over hunt our area.
You guys are acting surprised. It's reality TV! The producers are shooting for(pun intended) RATINGS! They're looking for the shock factor to keep the audience engaged. Just like how Duck Dynasty is a load of crap. (Admit it, you watch that show)
Lets just hope that they will portray some of the positive things bowhunters are capable of, like Hunters for the Hungry and Hunt-to-Feed programs. I'm hoping that Rob's episode will shed some light on the challenges and ethics involved in traditional bowhunting.
This was a bad intro for the show, especially for us bowhunters, but there are several more episodes that may rectify this. If the producers were smart, they would use this forum as a means for brainstorming show topics.
clearly not a hunting show! it was done in very poor taste.
This is not what I wanted to see, dead deer through the middle of town, someones tree being used as an ash tray and not the mention of putting a tag on a deer. My wife went to school with mike and she said it looks like he can still con people into anything! Between new guns laws and now this this, Ct sportsmen are screwed!
Wow guys, I would like to hear from the actual actors in the show.
Did they really think this was a good idea?
Now that it has aired, would they like to address their behavior and conduct on the show?
Why would someone want to pollute our sport and set back bowhunters 20 years in the eyes of the public? Didn't these guys know that this would hurt deer hunters?
How about a bowhunting reality show where the hunters respect/ honor the game and landowners? Novel ideas, eh?
Dr Deer, do you want to chime in with your buddies? Perhaps you can shed some light on this.
Deer Doc,
I have nothing against cammo. As a matter of fact cammo is my favorite color. I wonder how many other “hunting camps” there are in FF Cnty?
If it was hard to get private property permission before, just wait until land owners watch this. DD, please tell me that tofu and free range chicken was scripted.
Avocado burger?
I think we are being harsh but it is well deserved. I think you might be a nice guy and for what I hear your hunting knowledge is great and you shoot a lot of deer but you were portrayed as a California whining hippie after editing.
IMHO, not worth your 15 minutes.
I understand the premise of these reality shows. It's about entertainment and certainly much of it is scripted. However, this show does little to enhance the true image of those of us that hunt. The smoking, the potty humor, the language, etc,etc. I actually fell asleep half way thru the second episode. BowFamily - please don't think that all us yankees are like the actors in this show.
You have to be kidding for this to be good for bowhunting in general .What a bunch of loser's to show as sportsmen and living in a shit hole to boot and carrying on "come on"what happened to low profile ,ethical,taking out what you took in ,cigarete butts,pigs is what i'm saying, and I don't care where they hunt on private mansions ,that is not the right message this isn't "duck dynasty".
Anyone here care about the unsportsmanlike manner in which the deer are taken? Most of you probably respect wildlife in general and the behavior of the clowns on this show ought to be against the law. Shoot the deer anywhere they like just so it eventually dies and gets dragged off. Leave their cig butts in trees. Real admirable. It's more than shock factor for a disgusting reality show. It's about the integrity of bow hunters. A&E owns the History channel and I've filed my complaint, along with calling Animal Control in New Canaan and discussing the matter with their Chamber of Commerce.
Did you guys catch the part when Rob was complaining about cigarette butts being lodged in the tree he was hunting from one of those scrubs? Real good way to represent us as slobs on top of everything else they did.
I am embarrassed to think that my neighbors and the landowners who allow me to hunt on their property may see this and think this is how its done. They may call it a reality show but it as far from reality as it gets. Why cant they depict us as the responsible, respectful outdoor enthusiasts we aspire to be every time we walk into the woods. No matter how small that piece of woods may be. I'm very disappointed.
I'm sure the guys on the show know better than this,as it's impossible not to be taught ethics in the sportsman world today. It is too bad they conceded to be puppets of the producers agenda, I hope yee didn't sell your souls too cheaply, for yeer sake. And while becoming poster boys for the Urban Dictionary's "Slob Hunter" is yeer choice, the thing I find most repulsive is the lack of respect of the quarry. As an Archer, hasn't the reverance of game from primitive man crossed your minds? Not a trace of it on your show.
This show is not good on so many levels. Anyone who watched this who doe'nt hunt will think we are all like this. They might as well of had Chum Lee from Pawn Stars out there hunting with them. Disgraceful! Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
The best way to make this show go away is to ignore it completely. The more people/hunters complain about it, the more buzz it gets.
Don't watch it, don't record it, don't acknowledge it exists.
When we watch it and talk about it, we legitimize it.
Steve, you always crack me up. I have communicated with hundreds of people about the Premier, and it was a huge success. Sure, in the Twitter world, this site and elsewhere, a few people don't find it to be their cup of tea. My advice to them: don't watch it.
I was braced for the Bowsite user response. Totally expected. Personal attacks, not so much, but if they make YOU feel better, whatever. Some people here "get it". They realize they are watching reality-based TV and not a documentary.
I don't talk here (or anywhere) about editorial decisions, production or content. But someone above.asked to hear from me, so I piped up. I know and respect many of you, and I like most hunters I meet. And hunting in 3-4 states each year, I meet a lot.
Just to keep the thread fair and balanced, I'd like to point out some things about the show I saw that no one has mentioned.
1) Hunters providing a service to landowners besieged by deer. 2) Hunters eating what they kill 3) Hunters sharing the harvest to the needy and encouraging others to try it. 4) Fact-oids and quizzes about deer biology, hunting and deer population issues.
Here's some things I didn't see. Hunters not following up their hits. Hunters blasting other hunters. Wounding-losses of deer.
I have deep respect for my fellow hunters on the show and I hunt with them (and some of you) by choice. Mike is a brother to me. I know it is unlikely to change anyone's mind here and I believe time will demonstrate that our beloved practice of hunting will not suffer from entertainment TV. Keep bashing if you want to, keeping in mind anyone can see it so please be thoughtful about it.
Steve, any diet advice?
my only comment is stop hating on Duck Dynasty...Best show on TV.
I don't support that show at all. I distance myself from these "bowhunters"
PS, I think I like the other thread better!
http://www.history.com/shows/chasing-tail/videos/chasing-tail-welcome-to-deer-camp
It's a sad day for sportsmen when a reality show about hunting makes it's debut and gets completely bashed by both pro and anti hunters equally.
Ok seal team six you guy's are not !!! These guy's do everything I was taught not to do !!!
The shot of the un-flushed toilet must have been particularly challenging
Dr,
I don't see people on here instigating personal attacks as much as I see people wishing they were more accurately portrayed by people that had a great opportunity to present the hunting public as ethical, considerate and reputable people. I can't speak for everyone, but I would never personally attack someone.
My understanding of reality shows is that they thrive on drama, hoopla and a "3 ring circus" of stars who try to make the show entertaining through ridiculous nonsense. I'm not saying that's what you guys are (or did), I'm just saying that this is what most reality shows do.
Alaska State Troopers is a reality show that actually presents a thoughtful, insightful look into the life of law enforcement officers that gets good ratings but isn't full of foolishness.
What the guys are saying is this: you have an opportunity to give bowhunting "dignity and respect". People are disappointed because the show leans more towards childish antics and coarse jesting that debases all of us.
I'm not sure that great ratings is more important than good character and dignified behavior. The show "Jackass" was a hit but that didn't make it a good show.
See the difference?
Well I have both shows In the rear view, fun to see our state and hunting together but come on a shot of a unflushed bowl WTF! I have never hunted in zone 11&12 is it really like that hunting off someone's deck I don't thinks that's for me.
I am from NJ, watched the first episode with total open mind, the second one is recorded but doubt I will watch it for all the reasons listed above. I have nothing to add - you guys thoroughly covered it all...
From I see one person promoted it on this thread and every other poster totally panned it....
It will not last...
With all the flaws "wicked tuna" has - much better show...
I guess what I hate most about these shows is the fake drama... Creating conflict that isn't there...
While this show had EVERY opportunity to be a home run for the bowhunting fraternity and opening up even more opportunities in suburban sprawl - my fear is it will have opposite effect...
If the anti's were smart they would just sit back, save a lot of money, and let "hunters" do their work for them. what an embarassment
Sad to hear the reviews. I have not had a chance to see it yet, but I would like to so I can make up my own mind..
wow the level of haters is crazy on this site. I expected it from the heros but you would think the regular guys could just comment about their holier than tho beliefs rather than make all the personal attacks. Easy fellows, its a reality show. You guys must go nuts over Teen Moms!
"Teen Moms"
Jack you just disqualified yourself from any further discussions...:)
Yep anti hunting organizations just need to sit back and watch us implode.
Egos are a funny thing, in spite of the show really being just not good, those that participated in the making of this disaster still do not get it.
It was rude, crude and a poor portrayal of bow hunting in Connecticut. I've got some Bill Langer(Connecticut bow hunter) CD productions that put that program to shame.
This show really gives bow hunters a bad name and being so close to newtown come on why add more fuel to the pot .Deer laying on a pool cover dragging a deer across someones front yard then driving around town with a deer in the basket whats wrong with not putting in in the bed of the truck i am totally disgusted that they would show something like this on the history channel,lets hope they can come up with something worth watching......
I have been filming in southwest CT for what is getting close to ten years. I have filmed for both television and Dvd production and that was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen. All reasons above and then some. You all should be ashamed. I may not be liked by some but at least I can have my dignity at days end. Shamefull
You could not pay me enough money to betray my fellow hunters and portray hunting in this way.It does not even do justice for a deer reduction program. Im sorry no personal attack against the guys who made it but surely against the terrible portrayal of archery hunting and hunters in general.If you were to be involved with a deer reduction effort to help communities or land owners where an over population problem exisits then there would not be any wall of fame with big bucks. In reality if you are truly trying to reduce deer density numbers then every single deer you see needs to go, does, fawns, buttons etc. and the meat donated to feeding the hungry.
I have transported deer in plain view on a hitch-haul or on my pickup bed with the bed extender open for 25 years. Never lost a permission over it. Shot deer from decks many times. The landowner cheered. Hunted in areas so tight it was literally impossible to take a "hero shot" photo without a house in the background. NO complaints. Hung deer for days from a tree in my side-yard in Norwalk where they could be seen by walkers on the way to the beach/dock area of my community. No one cared. What they care about is help with their deer problem. As stated in the attached article above, landowners themselves have been the biggest key in attaining more properties to hunt. That fact and strategy is PUBLISHED in Field and stream, page 62. So many places that I give them away or share with some of you! I guided one Bowsite contact to his first deer with a longbow. Put him in a place where he had numerous opportunities in a single sit. Why? I support hunters and hunting, that's why.
I do kill a lot of deer (personal record 36 in a season) and keep meticulous records. I write a journal about each hunt. I care about my equipment and am always shooting what I think is the best.
No personal attacks, Buckkiller? I respect you but beg to differ. Read: "betray my fellow hunters", "slob"? Some of you have come to my defense and some I have spoken to are reading but not posting so as not to get "into it" and I don't blame them. But the majority here don't like the show and they should just watch Storage Wars. As I have said before, in a state where fewer than 10% of licensed hunters belong to the state's bow hunting society, APATHY and selfishness is the biggest danger to us. Making no waves is a loosing strategy. It's an entertainment program about hunters, more than hunting. I will continue to work hard to make it a success. I predict that in the future, when asking for permission in a new spot, the landowner will smile and say "You mean, like those guys on TV?" and you will respond "Yes! And just like them, we give a portion of the harvest to the needy". Then, all you gotta do is scout.
Buck on the back of my truck
Deer hanging in my side-yard. 30 yards from a community walking path.
Location where deer travel so close to houses that it is reasonable to hunt from a deck rather than be in a tree shooting toward the structure
The land owner saw me dragging and came out to say "Congratulations! When do I get some meat?"
You had a chance to portray suburban hunters in a positive light. Instead you showed an unflushed toilet bowl and a pig sty. Great job - probably what it took to get paid.
This is by far the worst show I have every seen! Leave it to people from Vermont to ruin it for us Ct. hunters. I find it funny that these men are so concerned about our deer population, that they drive here from Vermont lol. Mike said it best in the beginning of the show “it’s over run with bucks”. Sorry, I think it’s over run with “deer”, I believe that’s called "cherry picking". I grow up on the New Canaan border, no one give permission to yeehaws in cammo with no manners. We are talking about highly educated people that live in million dollar homes. Here is another question, A pool needs to be gated in CT. how did the deer get "OVER THE FENCE" and on the cover? Hmmmm, maybe someone put it there? These men call themselves hunters, but push I wounded deer at night? Hunting 101 that’s a NO,NO lol. Also I’m sure mike made a lot of new friends in Vermont when he called them “Sorry SOB’S”. Hey mike you “barter meat" not “border” first grade English 101. The more I watch, the worse it gets lol. Picture this, A man in cammo driving a truck pulls up to what seems to be a 3 plus million dollar home. The women first makes time for him, and then opens the gate and invites him (a stranger) in with open arms lol. Also who is doing the poor editing? For instance, during poker in the opening shot there were no “tens” on the target (watch it and see for yourself) lol. If I made a mistake like that at my job I wouldn’t have one. After my first episode I have one thing to say, “GARBAGE”, THANK YOU FOR EMBARRASSING EVERY HUNTER IN CONNECTICUT!!!!!
Suppose someone was going before their neighbors and powers to be attempting to have bowhunting considered as a management tool for controlling their suburban deer problem. Do you honestly think showing them your 1st 2 episodes would sway them positively?
WOW, Huntin Hardcore ( Sean) you hit the nail on the head. THIS is now what everyone who watches the shows and knows nothing about hunting is going to think this is how its done and how we act. But this is what sells shows now a days on tv.
Try to get sunday hunting passed now when people think this whats going to happen in their neighborhood on Sundays. More fuel to be used against us.
What happened to being discreet, respecting neighbor's and the non hunting public.
While hunting I believe its better to be not seen and not heard. I love it when people were not aware i was hunting a spot. When they find out I have been there for years they seem to accept it easier because there has been no problems or accidents.
When people think of hunting , they think the worst of the act and the people doing it. I think this show will offend future landowners who are on the fence about giving permission.
You want to portray hunters in a better light ,let the camera follow a hard working hunter around with his dialy life from hunting to working , playing with his kids, helping his neighbors and interacting with his family and freinds.
just my opinion
Oh, also to Dr. Deer, that buck in the back of your truck was not shot in Ct. notice the tag. Your hunting in "Fairfield County" where riding around showing off your kill is frowned upon. Maybe it's different in Vermont.
My Opinion, this is a disgrace, shame on all involved to not have the common sense to foresee the reflection this will portray on hunters.
Hoytman- That is a CT buck those are the old CT bow tags.
Dr.Deer- It blows my mind that you are still hopping on here trying to defend that show. That was the most classless way that you and you buddies could have represented bowhunters. We all as hunters could easily tell what is legit and what is BS but the problem is that most of the people out there that are not educated are going to think that the way you guys portraied it is how it is. I don't understand how swearing, shooting deer from decks, smoking on stand, trespassing, pushing wounded deer, and acting like a bunch of hillbillys is good for us. And just incase you haven't noticed there isn't a deer problem in ffld county anymore!
Dr.Deer and company....world class clowns...you idiots should listen to the 90% of the Connecticut opinions on this forum and take a hike...Like I stated two days ago, you made all of our efforts harder to obtain the publics approval about deer hunting with your "reality show"..Morons!
AA, I am not going to return insults. I am not going to take a hike either. We disagree and I can leave it at that and not loose a minutes sleep over this "sky is falling" hysteria. I believe in what I have said (or I'd not have said it) and when I am proven correct, I will simply say "your welcome".
HH, correct about the tags. Makes me wonder how long Hoytman has been in the game. My point by posting a deer from fifteen years ago (hence, the old green tags) is to demonstrate that I have always been proud of what we do. After the kill, air that deer out! I am low profile and discreet in my hunting efforts and always have been. But I proudly wear my camo to Starbucks and make no apology if there is some blood on my rubber boots.
Clearly I am banging my head against the wall here. Only time will tell who is right. Two million people watched the show last week and hopefully they aren't all in your driveway to take your hunting tags from you. There are some pretty funny story lines to come, so you better hang onto your camo caps. As for me, I am done checking this thread. Don't sell your bow just yet.
Oh, come on Doc. You know you're not done checking this thread. You'll peek at it a dozen times today. You might be done posting, but you're going to continue reading it.
It was probably exciting to be part of the show. It wouldn't surprise me if you and your group were thinking fame was coming your way along the lines of Duck Dynasty and the Robertson family. But, in the end, the show (at least the first episodes) will only be appealing to anti-hunters. I can think of lots of ways that footage could be used in anti-hunting commercials.
If I were you, I'd pray the show gets cancelled, and then change my handle on the Bowsite.
How Can You Be Proud Of What You Do When All You Do Is Make The Bow Hunting Community Look Like A Bunch Of uneducated Hillbillies.
I don't know any of the hunters in the show but by the way they are protrayed, they seem like hap-hazard, half-assed hunters, not good, or even "great" hunters, as one guy brags. I know alot of hunters and I don't personally know anyone as half-assed as you guys are portrayed. I met a few...they usually gave me a great deal on a barely used bow they were selling because they figured out bowhunting wasn't for them.
Maybe you guys are good hunters and the portrayal is not accurate but that begs the question...why let them show you to be something you are not?
I do some suburban bowhunting too, it's a big thing in NJ as well. One very important point about it you have completely missed, in fact, not only did you miss the opportunity to emphasize this point, you completely ignored it, is that shot selection is even more critical than anywhere else. We keep our shots close, and wait for the perfect shot precisely to avoid bad hits and long blood trails that go over several properties that we may not have permission on, or deer ending up in peoples yards, pools, etc.
From what I saw, you guys just lauch arrows at deer because you have "pressure to deliver". The result is exactly what we saw on the show: crossing property lines and not even knowing where you are or if you have permission to be there, going through back yards at night, peering into peoples windows, watching them eat dinner, deer dying/bleeding on patios, pool covers, etc. This probaby will make many landowners very uncomfortable with bow hunters in the neighborhood.
Like just about everyone has said, the show makes you guys look like novice, half-assed, idiot, slob hunters. I don't know if you are really good hunters or not but if you are, and the portrayal is not accurate, shame on you for allowing it.
I saw the show last night for the first time, and I agree with many of the others that have criticized the show. I've bow hunted for 44 years, and I would never allow a show to portray me in the way these guys are portrayed on this show, whether it's real or edited to make them look like fools, or maybe that's they way they are in real lie.
The public is going to tune in and see a show that makes bow hunters look like some good ol' boys out for a good time, and not taking anything they do seriously. Too bad!
I saw the show last night for the first time, and I agree with many of the others that have criticized the show. I've bow hunted for 44 years, and I would never allow a show to portray me in the way these guys are portrayed on this show, whether it's real or edited to make them look like fools, or maybe that's they way they are in real lie.
The public is going to tune in and see a show that makes bow hunters look like some good ol' boys out for a good time, and not taking anything they do seriously. Too bad!
I Have been hunting for nearly 30 years. I saw the first episode all the way through, and these guys do not represent me or most of my bow hunting friends. They are no good for hunting, makes us look bad. I Don't want to see this show again! They shot a buck in the neck and tracked it across properties that they didn't have permission to hunt, and said so on video! Asking permission to hunt in full camo, Putting deer on a carrier on a pickup when they could have just put it in the bed.
I'm watching just to see if my scoreboard at the high school makes it into the show :)
I would like to apologise to Dr. Deer, I'm a lot color blind sorry I didn't notice the color. Also I do remember those tag, I wish they would brought them back! New to the game I am not, nor to hunting in that neck of the woods. I grow up in Silvermine so trust me I know what's there!
Dr. Deer,
I apologize as I did not see that some people were personal with their comments.
R
The description by the History Channel for episode one, reads:
Welcome To Deer Camp
Episode Synopsis: A rookie hunter aims big in the opener of this series, in which a group of blue-collar men are paid to hunt deer in wealthy Connecticut suburbs.
I didn't see money being exchanged, did anyone else? Better hope the CT-DRS and the IRS isn't watching, they may want to see a 1099 for each deer they plug. This is Connecticut, they love to tax everything, especially nonresidents.
I didn't see money exchanged but Mike did refer to them as clients.
Maybe getting paid by history channel.
i watched both episodes, and personally, i like to watch the show. yes, there are SOME aspects of the show that i do not enjoy (smoking, swearing), but i DO like watching the camaraderie, ball-busting, plenty of deer action, etc.
after reading this entire thread, it makes me laugh to read all the negative insults you guys are spewing. you all talk about how this show portrays bowhunters in a negative light.....well, imagine a non hunter read this entire thread with all its insults and personal attacks! you guys dont even realize that you are doing the EXACT same thing you are complaining about.
Horrible garbage. This disgrace should not be on television. This is hunting? (nut)
Is this the group of guys that all call white buffalo ??
Is this the group of guys that all call white buffalo ??
Tough crowd here... We are our own worst enemy.. Amazing.
I think policing ourselves and positive peer pressure (without demeaning personal attacks or harsh criticism) is good for us as bow hunters. We can encourage one another to be the "best that we can be" without condemning talk.
These men are fellow bowhunters and we should be careful not to be harsh. However, fair and balanced assessment is necessary to keep our ranks responsible and behaving in the best interest of all bowhunters.
If my behavior is questionable, I hope that someone would have the guts to graciously bring correction to me. It's the right thing to do.
Just my opinion.
I attacked tofu burgers, avocado burgers and free range chicken. I find it hard to trust tofu eaters, Nothing personal.
A hunting show is not.
In all seriousness, if I didn't hunt and I didn't know different, I would not aloud bow hunters in my property after watching the show.
We are not our own worst enemy. On the contrary...we are policing our own ranks, like Buckiller said. Constantly trying to evolve and become the best we can be and represent ourselves in a positive light, not only to non-hunters...but also within our own circle. This show was so unique that it could have been done tastefully...to not only educate the uninformed, but also the seasoned bowhunter who might have hunting opportunities similar to the show.
I think the majority on this site as well as the many others I've looked up have the same opinion - that the show was a black-eye to the suburban bow hunter. AND with modern day development...we will all be suburban bowhunters in the future. If anything, when someone asks me if I am like the people on the show, I will politely tell them that I am actually the opposite end of what was represented on TV.
As a life long Fairfield county hunter, this show paints bowhunters as slobs, just as I thought it would.
I just hope it does not harm our relationship with current and future landowners in that area.
I am apparently in the minority here but I really didn't think it was that bad. For reasons that escape me as a group we seem to take ourselves way too seriously and love to trash any fellow hunter who doesn't live up to some presumed ideal of the perfect hunter. While there may have been certain scenes one could fairly criticize I think any exposure of the general public to hunting is likely to have a net positive effect.
The bottom line for me is it does not portray hunting or deer elimination programs in a positive light. Saying so is not a personal attack against the guys on the show.Nor is it the pot calling the kettle black IMO. As others have said if I were a land owner considering letting hunters help me with an over population issue on my property I would be very weary about letting people on my land after watching this portrayal.The show could have been done in a more proffesional and serious nature rather about reducing deer numbers that might shed some light to landowners who need help with reducing numbers instead of a goof on hunters in camp and smoking and the dirty crapper and all the baloney.
so let me get this straight.....MOST of you are worried that a TV show will harm your relationship with YOUR land owners??? if that is the case, then you dont have a very solid relationship with them. to me, this show is very "tongue-in-cheek". it's entertainment, not a "how-to" hunting video. like none of you smoke? none of you curse? none of you that hunt in residential areas have had to drag a deer across a lawn? i have said it before, and i stand by it. because of the lack of regulation and adult supervision on this site, it is filled with morons and retards. YOU guys give hunters a bad name, NOT a TV show.
LMAO. The show won't damage the relationship with current land owners however, it will have an affect next time we go asking permission if they watch the show.
I do not swear nor smoke in front of landowner I do not smoke while hunting.
You mention lack of adult supervision and go on to call people morons and retards? Do your parents know you got on the pc again?
UH Grundle, you used the R word. Not permitted here. Moron is ok but not the R word. Please go back and edit your post.
Don't like the site Grundle then go post on the Chasing tail fan club or some other place. Just the fact you had to use those words to prove a point shows you are on the same level as the slob hunters many here are talking about.
I choose to just keep my thoughts to myself after this hot topic. I'm on the Connecticut forum everyday and am a very active Bowsite.com member.
Jimbo was right (about me checking). But that's all. You go, Grundle. Although the choice of words is questionable, I like your logic and passion.
Only posted to share an article. Written by a hunter, I assume.
you must be excited, you have a fan..kudos..Must think its ok to speak like that since its ok to do so on TV huh?
If PETA wanted to put a show in front of the public that shows hunters in a negative light, they could use Chasing Tail to do that. With the number of hunters declining over the past few years we don't need another show that protrays hunters in a negative light.
I hunt public land, but I've had several offers to kill deer that were damaging the shrubs at friends and co-workers homes, and I refuse, because I like the hunt, not the kill. I don't think a show that puts hunters in a backyard is positive image that should be presented even if the stars on the show were well polished.
It's not a hunting show to me, it's a show about killing deer in the back yards of your neighbors. It's the same as baiting to me,....no hunting is required.
Dr Deer (or one of the 3 supporters)- I will repeat the question I asked above and was ignored:
"Suppose someone was going before their neighbors and powers to be attempting to have bowhunting considered as a management tool for controlling their suburban deer problem. Do you honestly think showing them your 1st 2 episodes would sway them positively?"
You all are out of control..... Let it go....Focus on turkey season or trout season or something.
Thanks pat I wasn't sure !!
Thanks pat I wasn't sure !!
Thanks pat I wasn't sure !!
Oh, all of a sudden there IS adult supervision here!? So what would be a "positive light" in the opinions of all you great hunters?? These guys are doing necessary pest control for people who do not want deer in their yards.... Pretty positive to me! Just because they are not 30 ft up in a tree in the middle of nowhere doesn't mean they are not hunters. They still have to have patients, proper shot placement, tracking skills, etc. they patern deer just like you do, it just so happens their deer are a little bit easier to pattern. So what? There are all types of hunters, and all types of hunting. Who put YOU gaggle of dorks in charge of deciding what is right and just??
Not so sure about their shot placement or tracking skills but it's safe to say that at least Rob has "patients". ;-)
Hey Steve bny...... Who are you, or any of us, to decide what someone else would be looking for??? Maybe they WANT people who will kill the deer from their property and don't give a damn if they smoke or stay in a dirty cabin. If you want to play the "what if" game all day, you can play with yourself. I am not a HUGE supporter of this show. I just happen to like the show, and dislike all the negative, holier-than-thou, b.s. comments by all the "professional" hunters on here. We see it constantly..... Someone puts a post, and all the Internet tough-guys and Internet know-it-alls come out to bash them. You all act like a bunch of babies. How about constructive criticism rather than just bashing a show YOU don't like.
The makers of this show, the anti's, PETA, crooked CT and Washington Politicians are sitting back with their hands comfortably folded behind their heads sipping on maitai's smoking Cuban cigars reading threw this forum and saying to one another "look! its working!!" time to drop it in my opinion. Ratings come in both good and bad form. People who watch these kind of shows whom have no position on the subject simply watch for out of curiosity and "entertainment" purposes. Negative publicity and Controversy fuels curiosity,our continued negative conversions may inadvertently promote the show.
Grundle - I am not deciding anything - read again. Asked a question - would showing these 1st 2 episodes to a group with the power to implement a suburban deer bow program be a positive thing. Yes or no on ones opinion is what I would like to hear.
You care to try?
Constructive criticism would be not supporting actions seen by most hunters as detrimental to bowhunting. That is the point most here - myself included - are making. Of course you are free to see that differently and believe whatever you want.
I'd pull the tread (Pat). I have already seen quotes from here in newspaper articles (not all hunters agree......)
I think everyone has had a chance to air it out. Nothing here for the new hunter trying to learn through others' experience
Discord is fine, here, but out there, not so much.
The thread was started when a person came here to push a bowhunting show on the history channel, you asked and got the feedback you did not want and now want it shut down. I am sure the show will get many newspaper quotes unfourtuntly, and I bet most will be negative from Hunters and non-hunters.
The best idea would be to pull the show, not the thread.
Hey Dr. Deer,
I will still watch Thursday. I got it out of my system and will watch for entertainment.
Other than the less than a handful of personal insults by a couple of guys on both sides of the issue, this thread actually seems pretty civil. Like it or not, the majority of the guys on this site appear to not like how the show represents suburban bowhunters or even bowhunters in general.
If the message that "get's out" from this thread is that the majority of hunters don't feel that the show represents them well, then so be it. Not sure how pulling the thread would do any good.
quote: "Nothing here for the new hunter trying to learn through others' experience":
And nothing in the 1st 2 episodes to aid bowhunters trying to get their town to allow suburban bowhunting. Probably just the opposite.
I can understand your disappoint in the show not being better received, but you not having control most likely led to it being something other than what you hoped for.
Swamp people without the boats or gators!
pull this thread? No way! You lit the fire now burn.
"Grundle - I am not deciding anything - read again. Asked a question - would showing these 1st 2 episodes to a group with the power to implement a suburban deer bow program be a positive thing. Yes or no on ones opinion is what I would like to hear."
yes, i WOULD care to try. in MY opinion, the answer to your question will be determined by the objectives of the group that you are talking about. the group MAY have the power to implement a residential hunting plan, but what are the objectives of that plan?? most municipalities implement a hunting plan to try to reduce car accidents, transmission of lymes disease, and damage to personal property. in MY opinion, if i were looking for people to accomplish that task, i would not give a damn if they smoked, cursed, or stayed in a ratty cabin. what i WOULD care about is that they follow the laws, have a good report with the landowners, and reduce the deer population. ALL of these things look like they are being accomplished by the people on the show. so, you wanted me to give you an answer. you've got it.
Dr. Deer
Your last comments were certainly not indicative of the professional deer hunter you claim to be. "Pat, pull the thread" I have had enough, make them stop, please Pat, make them stop !
I know you must be disappointed that that your "show" has not been well received by the bowhunting community. Make no mistake about it this IS the BOWHUNTING COMMUNITY. If you were a politician each post would represent about 1,000 constituents. A politician WOULD take notice and so should you, instead of begging for relief.
You may have xxxxxx number of viewers but when you cut them down to real hunter numbers, and happy hunter numbers you actually don't have much.
I would get your buddies together and take a hard unbiased, non-star-like, look at what you have done.
But on the other hand you are on the way to famous or infamous, however it turns out.
When did I claim to be a "professional bowhunter" RK? Pulling it was just a suggestion because of the divisive nature of some of the comments turning up in articles written around the country. Some of your venomous words taken out of context propagate the exact message you are criticizing the show. Bowhunters talking like asses. But, whatever. My skin is thicker than that or I'd have followed through on my intent to not check up on the thread. Curiosity got the better of me. I am smarter than to look here for affirmation. I knew it would stir things up. A lot of it makes me chuckle. But it amazes me the sense of entitlement many of my fellows here have. As if something someone else produces should meet your standard and if it doesn't, whoever is involved with the production "blew it" or betrayed hunting some how. An entertainment program entertains, that's it. It isn't supposed to be a PSA for hunting and isn't really aimed at hunters either. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Just keep logging on and whine about it.
What a nice mess you and your crew have created, participated, whatever. Just wanted to compliment you on that once again. like passthru said, you brought this upon yourselves, handle it. however, Botox does have a point guys, the media looooovves to look on forums like this and fish for quotes to publicize OUT of context. The news papers, magazines, and bottoms of tv screen will start to have tons of "....blah...blah blah..." showing up, and as I stated in a previous post ratings come in all forms and combine that with out of context publicizing and next thing you know your supporting a cause you never intended. stekewood, I think you have the best outlook on the topic thus far and i hope your right, but in today's day and age things aren't that simple. The shows creators and endorsers bias/agendas, money, media, politicians and all sorts of other crappy variables will determine how this is portrayed to the general public, especially the non viewers whos opinions tend to grow and end up holding unseemly heavy weight having never watched the show.
Cant wait till Thursday !!
hey Eatsvenison...... what is the "fine mess" he and his crew created??? the only "mess" i see is whining, baby-like, demagog bowhunters trying to profess how much superior they are to everyone else. unfortunately, most of the comments here are posted by uneducated trolls who hide behind their keyboard all day and call themselves bowhunters. grow up.
Have any of you guys ever seen the show "Hallowed Ground" on the Outdoor channel?
It is probably one of the most amazing bow hunting documentaries I have ever witnessed.
Great show...
If you get paid to do it you are a 'professional'.
You don't have to be "a" professional to be professional
Dumbest effin hunting show I have ever seen! You guys on that show are morons who think because they can shoot overpopulated deer that are used to people that your some kind of great hunters. Pfffffffffffffffff!Thanks for making all bowhunters look like idiots!
Jigger, though I thought the show was awful, I don't really blame the participants, I blame the producers and editors, who, unless they are also the participants, are obviously not bow hunters. I'm sure the guys had a ton of fun and lots of laughs, and probably were serious in their hunts, but, any sound bite that was said in jest (or anger), made it to the show. The participants should take our overall opinion into consideration and talk to the producers/editors and see if they can make it less like a bunch of sophomoric, foul mouth, low class slobs, and more like a bunch of respectful hunters. It seems they edited out the good stuff and left the crap in. I mean, if you have to edit out the curse words with "bleeps", then maybe the whole scene should've been edited out.
I've been to hunting camps, I know guys curse, fart, talk with their mouth full, etc. etc. But, we don't do it on video for all of creation to see. It's offensive to civilized people, and as a result will effect what non-hunters perceive us as. If I was caught on video doing some of what was shown on this show, I would be embarrassed to show my family, never mind the rest of the world. But, that's just me and my opinion.
I think you guys are way too harsh. I didn't think it was all that bad compared to some of the other reality garbage out there. The suburban woman gladly gave permission to help with her deer problem. I don't see this affecting anyone's perception of CT. hunters either way. It was kind of a dumb show actually, but hardly offensive IMO. Personal choice for me is not to hunt the suburbs. It's just not my thing. I love the solitude of the bigger woods even though I see very few deer. You guys are all entitled to your opinions, and so am I. You just got mine. Out for hip revision surgery tomorrow, so I'll miss spring turkey this year. Back well before the deer opener. Wish me luck, and try to all get along okay! MikeP
Good luck Mike ,How about I set you up on a deck next yesr ? Short drag ,LOL Steve
good luck with the hip mikep, hope your good as new by opening day!
I cant believe you are all still bitching about this thread
with all due respect to the guys who are on this show.... This will not shed good light on bowhunting in one bit. A positive image of hunters is surely not achieved in this production. In fact as a bowhunter, I truly was embarassed watching this and would never show this to anyone. With all the BS going on with the firearms circus, this is how we portray ourselves as sportsman. How many landowners in CT will be utterly turned off by this disgusting display. This is making a mockery out of all of us as a group. Seriously. Good luck to you and I sorry to all of us who will now be impacted by this immature publicity.
I would also like to comment on the guy who climbed into the tree and located the numerous cigarette buts in the crotch of the tree, Hey way to go bean bags, good job on demonstrating the proper way to litter up a landowners property. WTF to that!!!!!!!!!! I hope the landowner watches that and is smart enough to pick up on that and gives that crew the boot!!!
Driving around the neighborhood, spot a deer, hop out of the truck and shoot the deer? Legal or not, how is that right? This show should never have aired.
Grundle shows he's pretty immature, uneducated, and misled. I wonder if he was hired to be Dr. Deer's friend cuz he had ZERO before him?
I'v noticed that a few of the deer they shoot, are not the same deer that they drag out a few minutes later. Poor editing, Disgraceful show.
"Grundle shows he's pretty immature, uneducated, and misled. I wonder if he was hired to be Dr. Deer's friend cuz he had ZERO before him?"
on the contrary, i am very educated, mature, and informed. you can not tell me that we dont see the SAME behavior, by people on this site, in EVERY thread. incessant bashing of anything and everything that someone does. you are all acting like this is supposed to be a how-to archery hunting show. it's entertainment, and simple as that. it's a total tongue-in-cheek depiction of hunting in the suburbs.
i guess you would rather see a show that portrays hunters like they REALLY are right? maybe video tape someone stealing hunting equipment (like happened to me and others this year), or maybe video someone illegally harvesting deer (like we read about on numerous occasions). oh, maybe we should have a show that records hunters not tagging deer, trespassing, taking bad shots, drinking while hunting, etc??
while you may not agree with the tactics presented on the show, or the smoking, or the STAGED conversations with the homeowners.....at least everything i have seen on the show was LEGAL and ETHICAL. am i wrong?
lets not forget, it's a TV SHOW. the final piece that we see on TV is decided by the editors and producers, NOT the hunters. yes, poor editing. yes, staged and phony interaction with the homeowners, but what you guys still havent figured out is that this show is done for ENTERTAINMENT purposed, and i dont believe it's target audience is for hunters. (just like duck dynasty, orange county choppers, etc.)
these shows are put on tv to entertain PEOPLE....not entertain HUNTERS. deal with it and stop crying like a bunch of little girls.
"at least everything i have seen on the show was LEGAL and ETHICAL. am i wrong?"
After last nights show of the guy getting out of the truck and shooting a doe on TV? A guy on national TV saying he kills deer for fun? This show is a Animal rights dream.
I did take note on Amato's taking wine and cigars for payment of butchering.
I liked how the corvette guy said he wanted to shoot a buck and a couple f days later he had a bow and a license. It took my nephew almost 3 month to find a bow hunting class to take and get his certificate.
How about trespassing and getting the deer without the ladies permission? That is very ethical and legal. I know it was staged but makes us look bad.
ChiroHunter,
Don’t pay attention to that. Look at how in one scene there are no leaves on the trees and a little later leaves are all there and very green.
Wow, 206 posts on this thread (in the CT bowhunting forum).
It's got to be a record.
Perhaps we should stop putting wood on the fire and just let it die down. I think the Doctor got the feedback he asked for.
In the end, we are a band of brothers. Perhaps it's time to let it die and move on.
R
You still need the safety course.
I was up and had to see the show again last night when I realized it was on. Clearly, there is editing going on to make the guys characters. I mean baby sitting @ a paintball match and using the brothers landscape company to covertly pick up a deer and trying to get a random guy a deer?
The concept of a bunch of rednecks attempting to hunt among the rich and famous is one that sets up humor. I mean those are worlds colliding.
Ill admit to laughing last night when the young guy and Mike were deciding if they could run up and grab the doe in the lady's garden. The ridiculousness of it...
In the end though, I find myself feeling like it's just not a great "advertisement" of hunting.
What a pile of crap, I didn't even make to the first commercial, it doesn't deserve the ratings. Mt wife said it depicted the negative view of hunters she had before she met me, she is more pissed than I am. LOL
i gotta admit this show makes me proud of how my friends and myself conduct ourselves....i mean really? arguing with land owners, cigerettte butts in trees, hunting off porches(ive had several people ask me if i wanted to do that....always declined). this show portrays us bowhunters as dirty,uneducated idiots, i'm saying that these guys are that and i realize theres alot of editing/staged shots going on...either way im sorry guys but i hope you show is short lived.
On one of the CT fishing sites it's been talked about also with negative comments. Looks like you are going to have to ask them to pull the thread also..
"i guess you would rather see a show that portrays hunters like they REALLY are right? maybe video tape someone stealing hunting equipment (like happened to me and others this year), or maybe video someone illegally harvesting deer (like we read about on numerous occasions). oh, maybe we should have a show that records hunters not tagging deer, trespassing, taking bad shots, drinking while hunting, etc??" Is this really what you think most hunter are like?..who the heck have you been hunting with you whole life? last time I checked all of my hunting buddies over the years ummm stay perfectly sober, have signed permits and tag all of their deer? My father taught me all of those things 24 years ago we hen I was 11 and it all sank in ok for me, even at that age. as far as the big mess? lets just say we should have been having more 2013 turkey talk than 200+ posts on this topic..Im guilty of it myself. That being said I have big trout to catch, turkeys to shoot, and Tautog to shoot. Im done with this tread.
mmmmmm, delicious blackfish...awesome! watertemp gotta be in the 40's by now. I used to spearfish for them in RI many moons ago..miss it
So insulting landowners, deceiving landowners, littering, filthy toilets, creative editing etc etc. oh insulting kids.....in which way does this shine a positive light on hunting. If I was not a hunter and owned land, after watching this ”reality” no one would ever get permission.
We tend to forget that when ”reality” TV airs...alot of people see it as reality.
Heard on another site episode 4 depicted them trespassing to recover a deer. Checked it out and sure enough they did. Great job!
Of course this doesn't reflect on hunters at all and would be a great video to show the people in a town where hunters are trying to get approval to hunt. And I'm sure Grundle will tell us how this is a good thing.
My question is why the CT DEP doesn't step in and bust them there's video proof of all the infractions. I am someone that abides by the law, I find it disgusting they do not step in and do their job. Unless like a few have said, it is programmed by yuppies and antis to make ligit hunters look like these pieces of shit!
It's make believe you have to know that lady already has a landscaper and would not even answer the door .its one of his clients It dosnt look good to the average person thou .
you simpletons STILL do not get it....THE SHOW IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT, NOT TO LEARN HOW TO HUNT !!! it's all staged, and planned.....it's a TV show, not a documentary.
you dont like how the guy with the corvette got a license and they didnt talk about him taking the safety course??? well, they showed him driving a car and they didnt talk about him taking a driving class!!?? OMG.... THIS PORTRAYS DRIVERS IN A BAD LIGHT!! OMG, everyone is going to hate drivers, and we are not going to be allowed to drive anymore!!! OMG !! the sky is falling !!!!! simpletons.
I understand the shows for entertainment we get it BUT , with all the trespassing and other idiot stuff ,shouldn't the laws be followed or is it ok for them do to the fact it's for as you put it ENTERTAINMENT ,
ITS FAKE !!!! IT'S NOT REAL !!!! you cant tell that??? do you think the people down there wear a suit and tie to buff their corvettes? do you think that the lady who would not let him hunt, REALLY got distracted by "landscapers" so they could sneak on to her property and steal their deer?? do you think that Arky REALLY yelled at a landowner and then coincidentally had to go to his house to get some wine?
ITS ALL STAGED !! you watch law and order?? every time a cop breaks the rules, do you complain that it shows police in a bad light? ever watch chicago fire? one fireman is hooked on pain pills....do you complain that it shows firemen in a bad light??
just because YOU do not find it entertaining, doesnt mean that others wont. i dont believe that the show is targeting hunters. it's targeting PEOPLE.
You are right grundle. Great show!!!
I stand corrected. Thanks for helping me understand. Now that I know that I can see that it makes bow hunters look great and it really improves hunter-landowners relationships. Wish I had thought of that first.
so let me get this straight.....MOST of you are worried that a TV show will harm your relationship with YOUR land owners???
Your point about needing to build a better relationship with an existing property owner is well-made. However, the other half of the question was referencing "future" landowners and as perception can sometimes overtake reality there is a very legitimate reason to express concern over how this show might cause potential landowners to view bowhunters in general.
while you may not agree with the tactics presented on the show, or the smoking, or the STAGED conversations with the homeowners.....at least everything i have seen on the show was LEGAL and ETHICAL. am i wrong?
I wouldn't characterize anyone unsure of property boundaries as "ethical" at the very least. First and foremost you should always know where your boundaries are so as not to a)run afoul of the law or b)stir up a neighbor who could make life miserable for the person who's property you do have permission to be on.
At this point the tactics, smoking and other items are irrelevant; what is very relevant though is respecting property rights; if the hunters who questioned if they could go on a property did not have permission to do so they tresspassed, plain and simple-they did do something illegal. Reality TV or not you can't excuse that away and for people here who have focused on the portrayal and left out the ad hominem personal attacks they are spot-on in that critique.
ITS FAKE !!!! IT'S NOT REAL !!!! you cant tell that???
Regardless of whether this was a National Geographic 100% true-to-life documentary or a 100% fictional entertainment reality series if the stated goal is to potentially open doors to bowhunting then with all due respect your product must be seen by all involved in that aspect (potential bowhunters) as being beneficial to them and indisputably acheiving that stated goal.
Have some comments been over-the-top, unecessarily personal? Absolutely and that's inexcusable. Have some of the defenses been equally egregious in similar fashion? Absolutely. If we assume (and I think it's a fair assumption) we had some fence-sitters on whether the show was being unfairly maligned how many of them do you think get swayed to the side of the person labeling all posters as "morons and retards" or "a gaggle of dorks"?
Don't decry the behavior and then mimic it.
Some good points were made and some legitimate concerns were aired and in both cases with a proper degree of restraint and respect.
It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Try it out everybody; the results might even surprise you; understanding of an opposing point of view maybe even being one of them.
Mike in CT,
Everyone should read your post. It is the epitome of good sense.
R
I think Grundle is off his meds :).
I think Grundle is off his meds :).
I think Grundle is off his meds :).
End this thread - Please!
Don't know if this was mentioned but the permission form reads "I know and understand the boundaries of the above listed properties". It also reads "making a false statement shall be subject to arrest". Right in the box where the hunter signs. I didn't care to look at all the posts to see if it was brought up. Entertainment or not it really does make the hunting community look foolish.
We "as bowhunters" are our own worst critics. Sure we can pick out every flaw in the show but do you think the general public can? Doubt it. The show is not marketed towards hunters! Everyone needs to get over it and watch their hunting shows on the Outdoor Channel!! It's not a hunting show, it's a comedy. Once you get over the fact that it is not a hunting show, its a bit more enjoyable to watch. If you dont like it, don't watch it. I really do not see the show affecting what we do and how we hunt. Does the show portray bowhunters in a different light? Yes but my landowners are not going to kick me off their property because the guys on tv look foolish and smoke, etc. Thats ridiculous. I'm sure if there was a forum for alligator hunting the same things would be said when swamp wars first aired.
The CT DEEP law enforcement posted on CT fishing fourm today that they are aware of the show and are watching it for any violations of state game laws.
The same comments are being made on that website, sportsman are not happy with the show.
you dont say Eddie..no suprise there..no brainer..Lets hope the DEEP weighs in on this nonsense at some point...
The show is targeted at the general public, the fence sitters who don't associate with hunters and get presented to them a view of "reality" of hunting and hunters that is far from reality for many hunters out there. We are a very small voice in the general public, but we are overwhelmingly loud on places where we all congregate. There are more people watching this stuff that are entertained by it than those who will criticize it and that is what sells.
I am sure some creative editing is done and making things look worse/entertaining than it is....
I cant see someone breaking a law and then putting it on TV to then get busted but then again it has happened.....
For example getting the deer over the property line...very easy to edit out the part where they ask permission and then alittle acting in that they are just going to grab it.....
Personally I think people are making too much out of this. I'm sure there are a lot of things done for the entertainment value. But I have to believe that people viewing these shows are intelligent enough to figure the same thing out. I really have my doubts that this TV show is going to sway anyones opinions of hunting one way or the other by virtue of the antics on this show.
"I'm sure there are a lot of things done for the entertainment value. But I have to believe that people viewing these shows are intelligent enough to figure the same thing out."
You might have been able to persuade me of that before the last national election, but not since.
If you think about how dumb the average american is you have to realize that 50% of them are even dumber.
BB.. you are far to optimistic. 2x each WB and Griz.
Everybody knows you wait till after dark to get your deer .LOL
LMAO Steve.Make sure you bring your night vision with you.
Definately staged, any self-respecting hunter would take both breast implants to sit on in a treestand rather than just one...LOL
Tobywon I was thinking the same thing !
LOL, I hope he wiped them good before bringing to client.
I'm glad I didn't watch. Had enough with the first two weeks.
I wagtched the back to back episodes last night. I didn't find anything especially offensive. As I said earler, just a silly reality show with staged land owners (Rob's Botox chick client and the rich "light in the loafers" whining neighbor with the deer on the pool cover). If you guys think this is real, think again. Remember when they shoot segments of a production for any reality show, there's a producer, director,gaffer, sound and video crew all present. All far from "real". Allfor entertainment guys. Nothing more-nothing less.
I wagtched the back to back episodes last night. I didn't find anything especially offensive. As I said earler, just a silly reality show with staged land owners (Rob's Botox chick client and the rich "light in the loafers" whining neighbor with the deer on the pool cover). If you guys think this is real, think again. Remember when they shoot segments of a production for any reality show, there's a producer, director,gaffer, sound and video crew all present. All far from "real". Allfor entertainment guys. Nothing more-nothing less.
Ha! How about the buck on the pool cover...it was already field dressed.
We realize it is staged for dramatic effect. Unfortunately, many non-hunters will not realize it. I agree with those who said this show will make it harder for hunters to obtain permission from landowners. Any landowner who was on the fence about giving permission will more than likely refuse if they see this show. We know all hunters do not act like these guys, but non-hunters will think we are all like this.
Thats exactly right Blade... we all realize it is staged for tv, and drama for reality tv, yada, yada, yada. but it does not make any self respected true hunter look good at all to the non-hunting public...remember there are more of them than there are of us...they had a chance to make something positive but instead they caved and went with what turns out to be a script that shows us (hunters) as slobs and paints us as very uneducated and unsophisticated...I am glad that I only watched the first episode because that made me throw up in my mouth...won't put myself through that again
I have watched all of the episodes and agree with Longbeard 100%. I also feel that every episode I watch is more of a disgrace than the last. I really hope in real life that Arky is not who is portraying to be on the show. He reminds me of a life long deer jacker who plays by his own set of rules. A total Jerk!!! As bow hunters, I think they really need to work on their shooting. A good shot placement should bring any deer down within 70 yds tops. I give the show a thumbs down and would be shocked if there was another season.
Rob, I guess I'm in the minority here! It's FF county and I've been hunting there for a long time and strange things happen that typically would not happen in any of my other spots. It's just different down there. However, I've developed many relationships that go far beyond hunting.
I'm not a big fan of bad language, smoking and leaving butts in the trees. But the show it is on at 10:00pm and if the landowner is okay with this so be it. The only thing that I felt was a NO NO was distracting that woman to recover the deer without permission. Is that the truth or drama for TV I do not know but the way it was played out was not cool.
I enjoy the show and best of luck with it. I'll be watching and I'm hoping you improve with that stick and string. It would be nice to see you hit something with it! LOL
Keep the faith!!!
I think some on didn't have a seat belt on in the truck. The only thing I really dont like is they are shooting a lot of small bucks just for the camera that was never Robs way . And with 50 stands and only hunting on Sat they tie up a lot of spots .Thats only my opinion.I still watch it .STEVE
Came back here (to Bowsite) just to speak my mind. I dont do this much anymore but when I heard there was a thread here, trashing this show I had to come on and offer my 2 cents.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that P.E.T.A. was behind the scenes on this one. Certainly the History channel doesn't give a crap about us, so why would I point a finger at them?.
This show came to my attention because a friend actually knows the people who own the place where these action heros are staying and even knows the ring leader. My friend is not impressed and neither am I.
I find it distasteful that (for a few bucks) these bozo's are stepping on our throats to sensationalize hunting in the suburbs. I also find it distasteful in the way they go about it.
I have long felt that the hunting community was being pulled into the gutter with the trophy hunting and all that surrounds it but I now see that any illusion that I may have had as to overreaction on my part is unfounded. I was right and this show proves it.
These "hunters" are not what I am and are not like any I know or would associate with. I find it shameful that these grown men have no soul which is evident and that people today associate with that soullessness.
To look at these boys is to see the worst of humanity. I can see it in their faces... they are low life scum bags and it shows.
Dr. Deer... I just have to vent one more time before I leave this sickening thread.
You dont understand hunting and I doubt you ever will. You are a psychopath and the people you associate with are likewise. You are about the killing and you kill with no humanity. You are not killing because you hunt... You are hunting to kill.
While you may be like many out there who focus on killing, the vast majority of hunters do not view themselves as such. Hunters are moral people and this differentiates them from the psychopaths that seek only to kill. Do you follow me here or are you just to far gone?. A true psychopath!.
The people that you show case are merciless barbarians who thrill for the blood lust and the viewers that embrace you are likewise barbarians. You speak of recruiting via this show?. No thank you!. The followers/supporters of this show should be watched like Charles Manson IMO.
You are all that is wrong with this world and you have brought that attention into a community that is not deserving of it. I would say God help your soul but I really dont think God gives a flip about people like you. I think you will get yours in the end and I for one hope it is a fiery pit for you and your crew.
Man marshal law, I'm not a fan of the show either but you need to lighten up. You just went on a rant totally bashing someone you do not know. Take a breath and go get a coffee, man!
Hey Grundle why dont you do the world a favor and pull your lip over your head and swallow..
And take video to share ;^).
Do you think we can get to 300 postS after tonight ? LOL might be a new record for ct .STEVE
I think we should just go for 300 posts just for the sake of doing it. Come on guys... Just post:o)
But don't criticize the show anymore... Lets let that puppy die:o)
R
Cant wait till tonights show .
Is the show still on? If so don't give it any ratings by watching it.
I might as well chime in. Was keeping quiet to keep it off the top. New hunters would look at this thread and see some disquieting bickering, name calling and nastiness. Anti's would look at it and be smiling, happy that they don't have to worry about destroying our ranks, we will take care of it ourselves. Marshall, I have killed ONE deer on that show so far. Stalked it in the hardwoods and killed it in it's bed. It didn't even get to it's feet. I don't know where you get your opinion from. Mike P is kind of right on. I am happy to see some of the opinions here but as I said, I am not looking for approval from anyone. IMHO this thread is more divisive and damaging to our unity that Chasing Tail. I am sorry I started it, but honestly, someone would have if I didn't. And, bad news for the haters, but the show is a big hit. Popular especially with young people (who we should be happy are attracted to hunting) and women (who we should be happy are attracted to hunting). Go figure.
Rob - it's a good thing you are not seeking approval. This thread is not different then any running about the show on every major archery/hunting board on the net. Great job while getting your 15 minutes.
Hey Rob,
I'd be interested in seeing how the show is doing.
Is there Anyway you can post the ratings for us?
Thanks, E
Can I be in the next season?
I don't smoke, don't swear(that much), I'm never disrespectful to land owners, I don't trespass, I don't push wounded deer and I’m very respectful to my quarry.
Ok, never mind I won’t fit in.
But the other hand I’m very funny guy. Ok, I’ll fit even less now.
Missed last week's show, but caught it last night. I don't golf much these days but if I could play at that golf course, I know that I can get my score under par and no one would ever notice. You figure at a crowded golf course no one noticed 2 guys in full camo, with bows, on a golf cart, picking up a dead deer in a sand trap, putting in in the front seat of the cart and "sneaking" back to the truck where they load in their deer carrier in the wide open and give each other high fives before they drive off......that's pure entertainment.....LOL.
I fell asleep last night .Good thing I recorded it .
Steve....sorry to ruin it for you since you missed it. By the way...the squirrel lives (damn I did it again).
Are they hunting squirrels too ??
crap...Arky swore again! We're so screwed. Can kiss off any chance of getting that sweet little 2.54 acre natural funnel. I am glad the squirrel is ok tho.
The rating 's are probably very high due to all of us watching to see what crazy thing they do next !!!
I was in CT last weekend, re-signed people I didn't get around to in January for forms. Those who knew of the show thought it was great. Most were unaware of it. No negative responses from the outside-the-bowsite world. Go figure. Ratings link
I was in CT last weekend, re-signed people I didn't get around to in January for forms. Those who knew of the show thought it was great. Most were unaware of it. No negative responses from the outside-the-bowsite world. Go figure. Ratings link
The golf scene was staged. When they were supposedly asking permission at a exclusive golf course it was actually the front entrance of the restaurant at Sterling Farms in Stamford. I know this because the older gentleman in the background is my father in law. He said he talked to the film crew for a half hour back in November when they were filming it. The guy they were asking permission from was an actor. I am not sure what course they were hunting, but it was not Sterling Farms. The crew said it was the best public course they could film on. The point is that the whole show is not exactly what it seems. I know they are calling it entertainment, but I just wish they picked some other subject other then bowhunting. JB
quote: "No negative responses from the outside-the-bowsite world."
Like I said - check anyone of the archery/hunting forums. Bowsite is far from the only one. Could be the numbers are coming form those laughing at hunters. and for further relevancy, "Jackass" was a hit show too. Popular doesn't mean good.
[quote]I might as well chime in. Was keeping quiet to keep it off the top. New hunters would look at this thread and see some disquieting bickering, name calling and nastiness. Anti's would look at it and be smiling, happy that they don't have to worry about destroying our ranks, we will take care of it ourselves. Marshall, I have killed ONE deer on that show so far. Stalked it in the hardwoods and killed it in it's bed. It didn't even get to it's feet. I don't know where you get your opinion from. Mike P is kind of right on. I am happy to see some of the opinions here but as I said, I am not looking for approval from anyone. IMHO this thread is more divisive and damaging to our unity that Chasing Tail. I am sorry I started it, but honestly, someone would have if I didn't. And, bad news for the haters, but the show is a big hit. Popular especially with young people (who we should be happy are attracted to hunting) and women (who we should be happy are attracted to hunting). Go figure.[/quote]
This wouldn't even be a topic if you hadn't sold every decent man out. Good ratings?. That's what it is all about isn't it?.
Did you ever stop to consider that those rating come from an audience nation wide that encompasses 90% non-hunters?. Just because you are getting the viewing doesn't mean it is positive.
You get Barry Wensel on here endorsing your crap and I'll retract everything and donate a dollar to your retirement fund. Decent men don't endorse anything like what your pitching. Just an example of a real man (Wensel)who hunts as opposed to a real scumbag who kills to kill.
Are you listening to what is being said about you by every decent hunter out there?. You choose to ignore that and instead talk about people who support you and don't even know the difference between you and me.
Thanks for making my uphill battle even steeper with those around me who don't know jack about hunting.
You are a shill and a sell out. Enjoy your paycheck scumbag!
Hey Pat.... When have you seen me flip out?. I was provoked by a P.E.T.A. supporter (supporting P.E.T.A.'s assertions of hunters as a group)and I think my reaction is fair.
Your great and so is your site... not sucking up, just the facts.
That said.... I wouldn't have even come back to this thread if it wasn't for a buddy (from CT) Btching about it to me tonight.
I am done now. Thanks for giving me the ability to voice my opposition and disgust pertaining to this scandal.
Staged whatever I feel bad for the guy who owns the car next to their pick up when they bash it with the door when they get out of the truck at the golf course.
Thanks god this thread died.
I completely disagree with this show, although I am against most idiotic reality shows these days. The sad part is that this show takes place within several miles of my home. The next bad part is that these same clowns are hunting many of the same deer, that I am letting pass by my treestand and then calling them monsters, come on. I have known Rob for a long time through this site and he has even been kind enough to donate several deer to my father and I, many many years ago when we were having a really bad season. Nothing against you Rob, but I know you are better than this. You were known to shoot an excessive amount of deer per season (Excess of 30+). One of the reasons that Tokeneke is now void of deer, however I felt that you were at least ethical. You harvested only mature bucks and reduced the doe populations to levels that you felt the landowners wanted. However these guys that you are hunting with are exploiting our flawed deer management system without a care in the world. I have personally seen them check in a pickup truck full of deer, all button bucks and small spikes and actually get replacement buck tags when not a doe was harvested. Arguing with landowners? Motorcycle with sidecars for deer? Rob you used to be a well respected member of our deer hunting community and this is something that I never thought you would be part of. I am very sad to say this but you lost my respect. As for this show, I hope it gets canceled and forgotten about just as fast as it came on the air. Hopefully someone will air a real hunting show about our area, as I do believe that a really good show could be filmed about southwestern ct, this is not the one.
Very well said my son .Dad
I think the Dr Deer is right. The market seems to be there. They will probably pull it off
Anyone seen RAT BASTARDS?
Same show different quarry.
Chasing Tail (10:00) - History 2.360 million viewers, #2; 1.014 million adults 18-49 (0.8 rating), #4
Chasing Tail (10:30) - History 2.072 million viewers, #4; 0.991 million adults 18-49 (0.8 rating), #5
I see 288,000 people turn the channel before second show started. Still not bad. Those 288,000 were probably just hunters.
Btw. I don't mean "pull it off the air" I meant "pull it off" as in "accomplish their mission if keeping it on.
Almost 300. Well said Dave.
Lets go men! A few more posts and we'll have 300. Just chime in about anything.
I refuse to help it make it to 300. Don't count on me.
300!!! What do I win ??? Pat is this a new record for CT ??
Congrats Steve, you win a free DVD set of Chasing Tail, Season 1. Enjoy!!
Come on.....surely some of the past redding hunter bashing threads could compete! Lol ;)
i agree the show is a joke.i think alot of home owners will think twice about giving permission because of the actions in these shows.i have hunted new canaan for over 10yrs and never had a deer die on my owners pool. i have also spoke with the guuys from vermont awhile back they do shoot anything.i love to hunt a shoot deer but i also like to watch them walk away so i will have animals in the future to harvest.i will not watch this show and advised friends to follow
Season premier tonight guys. LOL. I doubt we'll see the show next season, but this was a very interesting thread to visit. Some of your comments were very intelligent. Others? Well I'll leave that alone. We are all entitled to our opinions and thoughts. 3 weeks into hip surgery, and I'm slowly limping my way into the turkey woods. Good luck to all and God Bless. MikeP
Mike, How does the hip feel? R u expected to be 100% by September?
Instead of watching the season fiasco of Chasing Tail, go online to WWW.queensofcamo.com and watch the premiere episode. These girls have class, respect nature and the animals they hunt. They put the Chasing Tail jokers to shame.
LMAO. Dumb asses. Taking a taxi.
You can't sell deer in ct! Barter I never heard of it being illegal, even if it was it would be in the gray area .Of all the people I hunt for in that area only 2 take venison .And I wouldn't think of taking anything for it .I have heard there is even deals with some of the guys that the land owners pay for the butchering .This is why Vermont doesn't have any deer ! and it looks like the deer from CT go to feed the hungry in NY .STEVE
OK,
All kidding aside, I just had to defend myself and all bow hunters at work because of this show. The chef at the caf, who I’ve been working for permission to hunt on North Stamford for a year now brought it up and said that’s why I don’t let anybody hunt in at my property.
Found myself defending myself and all bow hunters and explaining how that show is fake and not real reality TV. Had to explain how nobody except grundle likes it and how real hunters do have ethics.
My chances of getting that 4 acre property are gone.
I’m just saying.
Steve.. I think bartering would technically be illegal if sales are illegal. Bartering is considered a taxable transaction just like a sale so that would probably be the angle if the gov't wanted to pursue.
Bowhunter , Your proably right.
It is a fake show, so it won't stick. Don't you see people shooting people in movies all the time?
I think it would be a waste of LE time to investigate it.
Show should be called WASTING TAIL!
MikeP, get better and take that physical therapy seriously. In the early going you get back the mobility but only if you keep at it. My Mom went through that and came back 110%. I am probably going to need a knee eventually.
Steve, you are a riot.
Bearskull and others on the barter topic: You have been watching a television show. Not a security camera.
Pat: That thermal imager article is awesome. The video is mind blowing. Gotta get me one.
DD how do you feel that roughly 95% of the people on here would like to flush your reality show down the toilet? Ive seen some pretty personal(negative) posts from people you have had personal interactions with outside of this site/forum and Im curious how you view and feel about their posts.. Im assumeing you could care less. I would like to hear your response. In addition to the people that may know you on a personal level and their feelings about what your show represents(which would be huge in my book)do you even give any consideration that this many people with negative responses have a valid point or are you just happy to be on TV?
AA, I would not ever check it if I didn't care. Nor would I be human. I just said I am not looking for approval here. Does not mean I don't care. I know a few guys who have abstained from posting and I know where they stand. Read above, but 95% means 19 out of 20. Was that your count?
Are valid points made? Yes. If you read my posts, you'd see common principles and values with several of the critics. Knowing people who know me isn't the same thing as knowing me. And I don't think I want to know you, as among the "some pretty personal (negative) posts" you mention above is yours:
Dr.Deer and company....world class clowns...you idiots should listen to the 90% of the Connecticut opinions on this forum and take a hike...Like I stated two days ago, you made all of our efforts harder to obtain the publics approval about deer hunting with your "reality show"..Morons! -AntlerAngler
Dr Deer,
After viewing several shows, I think the that Chasing Tail could both "keep its comedic appeal" and" represent hunters well" if it did the following things:
- get rid of the foul language (the beeps). I know that many people use foul language but I know a lot of people who don't. Also, I would never let my kids watch it because of all the "beeping" (foul language).
- stop dishonoring, disrespecting landowners. I realize that it is trying to add comedy and drama to the show but disrespecting people (making them look like idiots) takes away from us as bowhunters.
The show could be tastefully done and still get a lot of laughs. Mike is a naturally funny person (he is funny... No need to add anything else to him. He has GOT it).
Arky's behavior is way to crude. If he toned it down, (language, harshness) it could be a PG show for some kids to enjoy.
Doctor Deer (Rob) represents himself well on the show and is a heck of a hunters. He is interesting to listen to and is a great role model on the show. Good job Rob!!!
The other two guys are pretty laid back and seem pretty good.
I think the show will make it for a few seasons. There is a ton of things they can do with it. It has great chemistry between the characters.
Anyhow, that's my two sense.
DD the feeling is mutual, and I stand by that copied post you reposted 100% just to be clear. Just wanted to hear your fleeting explantion..Thanks for your response.
X2 on defending myself crow.
The problem with defending ourselves is that no matter how hard we try to tell the truth, most non-hunters will not believe us. They will choose to believe the impression they get from a "reality" show. Even if their impression is wrong, we are still on the losing end. The show is presented as a hunting show and I can't blame people for thinking negatively of hunters after they watch it. I blame the network, the producers and the cast of the show. It is especially hard for those of us who hunt here in Connecticut. At least hunters in other parts of the country can say "We don't hunt like them Yankees." I have been hunting since I was a kid, but I just recently began bowhunting in suburban Connecticut. This show just made it much more difficult for me and many other hunters in the area. There is no excuse for it and there is no defending it. The hunters on this show sold out every other hunter, especially those that hunt on private land.
buckiller Hope your wrong that this show will make it a few season's. As far as I'm concerned it can't go away fast enough. And saying any of these so called hunters on this show are great role model's is a joke! Well, just wanted to thank them for making CT bowhunter's, and hunters in general look like disrespectful idiot's on national TV, hope it was worth it. The show should have been called "Chasing idiot's that chase tail"- My 2 cent's
Whoa Swamp Yank! I think you may want to re-read my post.
If respect for the landowners and their property was addressed AND the foul language was cut out of the show (the bleeping), why wouldn't the show be any good? Some "tweeking" to Arky's character could help too.
Other than that, what is inappropriate about the show.
Btw, what (if anything) did Rob do/ say that would make him a poor role model? I didn't see all the episodes but thought that he seemed decent.
R
buckiller-Yes rob is a great role model if your comparing him to the rest of the cast. But only if ! Just the fact that rob is on a show that represents bow hunters as loud mouth slob hunters is enough for me to question him as a role model. As far as what else is inappropriate about the show? Oh, I don't know, how about unethical shot's, pushing wounded deer and having 0 respect for the game and land they hunt. Oh, and my favorite watching these slob's use tree's as ashtray's that was the best. Other than that, the show was great at portraying bow hunters in a positive light. Not!! Anyway let's put this shit show behind us and get out and enjoy the great outdoors, opening day will be here before you know it. -Swamp Yankee
Swamp Yank,
I guess I concede then. Since i have not read every post and have only seen a few shows, I guess I missed a lot of what you said.
Anyhow, lets have a great season.
R
I have seen a quite a few hunters from MA, NY, CT, and RI They exhibit these very same techniques in the big woods and suburbs. I would honestly estimate 90% of all the hunters from these states(that I have encountered), do hunt like this. Lots here do not like how the cast acts, because they are afraid it reflects upon them. I feel it accurate portrays traits of the many.
Some of my encounters, harvesting black bear cub, tearing down no trespass signage, running hunting dogs on private property, multiple trespass, shooting a pet dog, granddad, dad, and son all lost in the big woods, roadside shooting, shooting while sitting on the guardrail of weigh station (actually had his camouflage blind up), etc. etc. etc.
So this crew on Chasing Tail is not that bad, but accurate.
Xman I believe that you are out of your mind. I don't know if you are some slob hunter, or a lurking PETA but myself nor do any of my fellow hunters that I know would ever act like this, or think of acting like this. We are discrete, ethical, and courteous. We know that our landowners are doing us a favor, in letting us onto there property and we are doing them a service, similar to any other contractor. If we do not perform they will find someone else to hunt their property. we have spots that we are only allowed to hunt certain times of the day either am/pm hunts, other spots that we can hunt only during the week still others we have to call the day before to let them know that we are coming. We respect this and do as asked, this is why we have many of the same properties for close to 15 years retaining permission even after the property had been sold several times. Many of our properties we are not allowed to field dress deer on as well as need to contact the landowner that we have harvested a deer and will be taking the deer out of the woods and to stay away from the windows for the next 15-20 min. Yes these are all things that we must deal with in the urban hunting society, but do not generalize any of us or lump us into the same category as these clowns. As for Rob I hope you are reading this, I read your message and do agree with you on many of the points that you listed. I was also pleased that you did not get involved in their lame buck contest antics. Kudos to you for still retaking some professionalism out of this whole ordeal.
X2 Silverado.
I do not know any hunter that acts as described. If I did, I would not be ssociated with them. I gave up a 1,400 acre property because someone was shooting stuff out of season.
Xman, you haven't seen anybosy from Maine like that?
Guess he's never seen Northern Woods Law.... Xman you're over the line
Guess he's never seen Northern Woods Law.... Xman you're over the line
roger that Silverado!!! DD you notice the "clown" word again? Becomeing a trend with your antics..you should be very proud...NOT! anything for money though right DD?
Silverado.......not Peta or anything like that. But honestly 90% from my experience. Now I did not say 100%, did I? ME has their own as well, but far less than 90%. And most are not natives who hunt like that.
Here is one example not listed earlier. Transplant from CT moved into the town. Him and all his weekend hunter buddies kept getting caught trespassing on the neighbors properties. Eventually they got chased further away from their acre lot. Them and their reputation got caught on an old timer's farm hunting after sunset. Now this CT transplant does not dare go hunting any more.
The sad part, this farmer gives everybody permission if they actually ask up front. He has only one rule, do not harvest any coyotes; because they keep the rodents population down and out of his corn.
Even the ME's "idiot" hunters know not to hunt on this property.
Not say they do not exist everywhere, however the percentage is very different, and inversely proportionate.
So yes I can tell a few stories about ME hunters, but there are just far fewer. And I know many more ME hunters.
Yes seen Northern Law.......can even say I know quite a few of the wardens...........its not a very big fraternity. And I do not get upset about it either.
If you are an ethical hunter, then you do not get upset how a "reality show"'s participants will reflect upon you. Whether its Chasing Tail or Northern Law. If you have a long history of ethical hunting, no tv show will change that history. It also will not change people's perception of you, whose perception matters.
Secondly, its beyond your control. So how is complaining or bitching about it going to change it? It just draws more attention to it. So why draw more attention to something, that you think reflects poorly on yourself?
Xman, because you know of someone or a "crew" of guys....does not mean 90%. All, and I mean ALL the people I associate with that are hunters are ethical and law abiding. Maybe it's because I associate with the right type of hunter....and distance myself from law breaking poachers.
I think you are naive. And perhaps you've had some bad experiences. But don't catagorize poachers with ethical law-abiding hunters. I feel this and many many other responses to this show have spoken enough how ethical hunters don't feel it represents them.
XMan just likes to argue. You can learn all about his perspective on the Zthread "Maine Moose Lottery Odds". He was pulling the same crap on the thread I started about New England Moose Lottery Draws, but he deleted all his posts.
Bloodtrail..............please see my complete sentence. I never said 90% of the entire population of hunters.
I clearly said " I would honestly estimate 90% of all the hunters from these states(that I have encountered), do hunt like this" And it did not consist of a single "crew", although that would be an accurate way to describe that one group of transplants. And it would include hunting experiences over many decades.
And just because I have these experiences, meaning run ins; They were not my associates.
And even with all these run ins. I do not judge all by past experiences or some "reality show". And think most can agree, its does not take long to ascertain an ethical hunter or a slob (as others have used this term).
Ace I do not like to argue. I can respect somebody opinion on any position; as long as based upon facts.
That thread did get out of hand, but I still stand by my facts. Honestly, you think the state of NH dictates the method A of whole moose retrieval is with a capstan winch because everybody in NH has 1200 feet of rope in the back of their truck. And one of the reasons is because NH wants their citizens to be able to recoop their costs invested in this equipment. You do not need many experiences(which I do possess) in NH to know this, I feel logic would be sufficient. But if this site is to help others learn, then I think the correct information should be past upon the readers..
I am not intending to discuss this point again, but as you said the comments were removed. However, you were completely wrong. I did not remove them. (If you look closely and think about it, you can determine this is true. Think about those who have made a double post, has anyone ever removed the double post completely?) If you still think I removed them because you cannot figure it out yourself., I can explain it more detail.
So if that thread has lost continuity, It was not done by me.
I will admit to having removed comments from only one thread. Those circumstances were another discussion. The other person's false position did prove itself as such. So they removed all their comments. And because of their removal, I removed my comments; solely because I wanted the thread to have continuity and make sense. I do recall the actual topic, but its not relevant here.
I own my comments and do apologize if I make a factual error. I just do not let other make up false comments that I never said or did.
Sounds to me like someone has an "im always right" complex. Life must be a breeze for you and Im sure everyone just loves being educated by it..lol too funny..
xman,
I think you think that most hunters are like that because of the people you associate yourself with.
Of all the people I've ever hunted with I can not think of one that is a slob or anywhere near what you describe.
Xman I believe you are greatly over estimating the number of hunters out there who actually do act/hunt the way these guys on Chasing Tail do. I'm not naive and I know they do exists and in fact I have met some of them...I personally would flip those numbers around and guess that would be closer to the real world percentage And before you start painting us (Ct hunters) with a tainted paint brush, remember these guys are not from Ct they just happen to hunt here
Keep in mind that there are many transplants from ME in CT that hunt, I can cite an equal amount of slob hunters from ME.
well I will say this....there are slob hunters in every state.....BUT THEY ARE NOT THE MAJORITY
VT love to road hunt and shoot the first thing they see....EVERY vtER..NOPE SAME WITH ME...
you cant put everyone in the same bucket....Period...
Maybe Xman should have started a new thread about Maine hunting and people who, as he says, shoot bear cubs, pets, get lost, and knowingly hunt on un-permitted property. NONE of that has to do with me or Chasing Tail.
One thing he does say, that I agree with: If you are an ethical hunter, then you do not get upset how a "reality show"'s participants will reflect upon you. Whether its Chasing Tail or Northern Law. If you have a long history of ethical hunting, no tv show will change that history. It also will not change people's perception of you, whose perception matters.
Secondly, its beyond your control. So how is complaining or bitching about it going to change it? It just draws more attention to it. So why draw more attention to something, that you think reflects poorly on yourself? End quote.
And by the way, the ring-leaders of our group are Mike and I. Both born and raised in Norwalk. I also disagree with the broad characterization of Vermont hunters in the negative. Arrogance abounds here if you think you are better than an entire state full of hunters. Read your own post and see if you qualify. This lack of unity and intolerance of ourselves is a cancer on the face of hunting. Not a reality show.
Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black!I was always taught that perception is reality and that perception by the non-hunting public of me because they watch your show does affect or reflect on me and my brothers of the arrow here in Ct when we go knocking on doors!!
Just a few comments since been away. And will handle in one section to reply to the few.
CTCrow.......you make an awful lot of assumptions, which are wrong. I do not associate with any slob hunters.
Here is a simple reason MY percentages are actual. I hunt on my own land or on land where only me and another have permission to be. All hunters I associate know these properties and since they have do not have permission, they stay off. So the hunters I do see are all trespassing. And if one would trespass, they most like will violate many other laws or are the very definition of slob hunters.
I never said Maine hunters are not all ethical. I said it was inversely proportional. And some of the chasing tail crew are from CT. And of course there are a few ME hunters in CT, but none on the chasing Tail crew.
DrDeer I did not mean to infer the "cub shooting and etc" were your crew. I apologize if there was any misunderstanding. As I did say. "So this crew on Chasing Tail is not that bad"...... meaning my examples of what I encountered are severely worst than what I have seen on the show.
Longbeard if the perception of a tv show reflects badly upon you when you ask permission by knocking on doors. Then you need to do more than "cold call" knocking on doors. I have never just walked up blindly and knocked on a door. So the first perception is never "a stranger asking permission to bring a weapon on their property." I always have references or am referred by others. I have run fences for farmers or helped bring in some hay. I have freshened up survey markers or posted property for them. I have even done some pro bono work. You need to be visible year round. I am never knocking on doors one or two months before any season starts. If the door you are not knocking on does not know anything about you, where else are they to get their perceptions from; you are a stranger to them.
I have not watched the show since the second episode, is it still on?
IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!
BTW,
XM,
You say I make an awful lot of assumptions after you ASSUME that 10% of all hunters are slobs and they are all transplants. LMAO.
There you have it! The Capitol watched it because the anti's yelled about it...does anymore need to be said about this shows negative impact??? This is exactly what I was talking about when I referred to the perception of our sport!! Xman I too have been referred by people I know to get a hunting spot, probably all of us have, and I would prefer it that way...but it doesn't always happen that way...if you have never done any "cold calling" to get a hunting spot then consider yourself lucky...again you are making inferences about things you have no clue on
Unfortunately to the producers of the show, this will be seen as a positive thing. They care about how many people are watching, not the impact it's having on hunters.
This feedback should however matter to the "talent". They have the power to put an end to the show if they so choose. Hopefully they will.
Given History is owned by Disney they may care about the impact it has on hunters. All the stupidity on the show may be a feature not a bug.
Longbeard I know what "cold calling" is. This is a method that one chooses to do. I do not do it because I choose not to do it.
Professionally "cold calling" is the least productive method of any type sales pitch. Whether one is selling truck bodies, magazines, professional services or getting hunting permission.
So I know what it is, I am not making inferences about something I do not know about. I personally just think its not an effective or quality method to approach the task. I mean if you are carefully selecting wishlist of places to hunt, why not court the landowner with a quality method? A custom hunting location deserves the time and effort of a custom sales pitch.
If somebody wants just any place to hunt, then the cold calling method is effective. Just continue to knock on doors until you get a yes.
CTCrow.......what assumptions on my part? my percentages were from actual experiences. I know everybody I encounter in the wood when hunting. I always have a conversation with whoever I do not know in the woods, when hunting in the local areas. Part of my responsibilities for hunting on another's land, is not to allow trespassers. If its somebody I know has permission, then its a quiet acknowledgment, cause we all know each other. Very short list. So by the end of the initial conversation, I know their name and where they are from. And soon after, so does the landowner. Of course this does not apply in the big woods.
I am even sure the Chasing Tail guys do a lot of ethical practices too. But these practices just end on the cutting room floor, because its not "reality tv" entertainment worthy.
Well, it's been over five years since History Channel failed to re-order additional episodes of Chasing Tail, which is the same thing as being cancelled. At the time I think this thread probably set records for the number of responses. Did the sky fall on hunting because of the show? No. Did everyone loose the opportunity to hunt? No. Did we get Sunday hunting? Yes. So all the fear and hysteria turned out to be baseless.
The boys and I still hunt in zone 11, as we did many years before it was a TV show. You don't hear about it because we are good, discreet, respectful hunters. We follow up our hits after taking good shots just like you do. I can talk about it now, all contracts have expired. All my hunting life I have defended hunting in letters-to-the-editor, blogs and interviews. Until this thread I never thought I'd have to defend myself against fellow hunters. Those that assume there was lots of scripting and production decisions that influenced the content - you are correct. I am surprised many of you did not spot the fact that the hunter was sitting there with a camo carbon arrow, but when its drawn it's flat black, then a shot of the hunter alone on a tree truck yet there is over the shoulder footage. The deer gets hit with green leafy trees in the background, yet the tracking is after the leaves are down and the recovery happens in the snow. A lady answers the door and there is a camera angle from the inside, yet people here thought we "really" snatched a dead deer off her property without permission! Did you notice you could hear everything she said (she was miked)? We needed advanced permission for every location and to show anyones face, including the guy with the deer on the pool cover.
At the time I felt so "attacked" by many here and swore off the site for a long time. Nowadays I check every so often, but not like I once did. After so many years of being a good ambassador for hunting, then ,having the fangs come out, Bowsite lost it's luster for me. I love Pat's bow reviews and hunts, and a lot of people here do walk the walk. But that Hung Fo or whatever thread brought back some old feelings so I thought I'd reflect with you for a minute. Freedom of speech is a great thing, and I value it more than ever lately. I am happy Chasing Tail did not kill bow hunting.
Luke-Dr. Deer
PS- I did take a deer with a recurve on camera but they didn't use it.
Bring back old memorys.....I forgot all about this thread/that show lmao.... Doc.....I'm sure most guys caught on
Machine to lift the deer over the wall. Lol
I'm sorry you guys got your deer camp exploited, never a good ending. Entertaining though. My buddy and I used to fish for stripers up in the CT river until Roland Martin came in and exploited the fishing, never been the same since.
Nothing has changed about how I feel regarding that show. It wasn’t a good “ambassador” for our sport. Thankfully not many non hunters watched it.
As far as Dung ho is concerned he got about what he deserved. Maybe we were a little rough on his name, but his timing wasn’t so good when he came on here spouting off with his chest all puffed out about the dozen deer he kills each year and “then moves on when he’s done”. This in the middle of a discussion of how we as hunters can make a positive change in getting our deer herd back and healthy again.
I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to join a group and be a productive member of that group, I should sit back and listen to what’s going and acclimate to that topic slowly. Much better results for acceptance than to come in guns a blazing!
Dr deer, I remember this thread and the show clearly because both had a huge impact on the bow hunting community.
The problem I had with the show is that it represented bow hunters in a less than favorable light. I don't doubt your passion for our sport and presenting yourself as an ethical hunter, however the show did not.
Unfortunately, you became the conduit for anger hunter felt about the show. Glad to hear from you again.
The last thing hunters needed was a "spoof" on hunters. This attempt at entertainment did nothing but confirm the general pu lic's pre conceived stereotypes of what a hunter is all about. I love anything about deer hunting, but this show was a train wreck.
Dr deer ..great show...its quite the accomplishmen....many could not put togther such a show ..it is not easy to do....
I remember your posts and miss your contributions...a few scare off many here on the ct forum but i guess thays the internet
I've always respected your ability as a hunter Rob, and you have been a great ambassador for bow hunting. I just wanted to say that, even though a spoof reality show didn't paint you in an accurate or realistic light. You're an outstanding hunter.
It would have been a great addition to you tube. My buddy watches deer camps all over, yep he's bored
Dr. Deer do you agree their are 10 deer per square mile where you hunt in CT?
Jax, you really think the "show" was great, and was a positive protrayal of bow hunting and hunters. I'm not talking about Dr deer on a personal level, he seems like a great guy. However I would never agree to participate in a show that presented a negative image of bow hunting.
Someone said it was killing deer in backyards, not hunting. It's sad the non hunting community got to see that as the image of bow hunting.
Bob isn’t killing deer in backyards what hunting in FF County is about?
I wouldn't know, never did it. But that's not the issue. By presenting that image to Joe public it becomes the ONLY imagine of bow hunting. A very negative one at best.
BBB you went crazy on doc about wb saying hunters should do it ....then a tv show is made showing hunters doing it and you dont like that either.....you don't like much do you ...it was a show about hunting in ffld county....that's what it is
Jax, man are you confused. WB was not a TV show that displayed a negative image to millions of people and chasing was. See the difference. Keep your apples separate from your oranges.
I guess it takes a special person to even hunt in areas where you have to worry about deer dying on lawns and in pools. Not sure how you guys do it? I hunted in a small lot once and couldn’t stand it.
Spike you have to wait for perfict shots at close range you have to have patience grasshopper lol
Steve I couldn’t get passed the screaming kids, lawnmower, and car doors slamming!
Spike, I'd say there are more than 10/sq. mile where I am, but I don't kill them like I used to. My CT business requires so much time. I was there for 9 days in December and hunted two hours. Yeah, hunting is close quarters down there but I have some bigger spots. Can still see a bunch of houses though. Spooked deer don't run a mile though, so no doubt its a lot easier than were most of you guys poke around. I have the suburban thing figured out, I am a good shot with a lot of trails behind me. But I am not an excellent hunter. My curse with archery elk is going on even longer than Pats.
Wow a ghost from the past , this thread was when I did my first stint in bowsite prison...lol
Soap, I remember that with Roland. Wasn't the controversy something about the shape of his hull ?
Spike, you're on the ct forums enough , you know the deal. I've done enough live hunts from toyland. There's plenty of backyard hunters up you're way too everywhere in the shadows I guess ,( I did my second stint in one of those threads..lol) Its not as easy as it sounds and not for all. A necessary evil .
I still don't agree with how the show made hunters look but I give Dr D credit for trying.
Controversy was when he fished a b.a.s.s. event. He showed up with a 20ft. Ranger that he wrecked when he went up north on the river. So he called ranger and got an aluminum flat bottom with a jet drive. It gave him the ability to fish miles of water that others could not get to due to their traditional rigs. Needless to say he won. He ended up leaving that boat with a local fisherman that help him prefish with the stipulation that he can come back and use it. He did come back and filmed a show on CT river stripers. Suddenly everyone and their brother were out there.
Billy "The Brick" Bichard ring a bell? I tip my hat to Roland for thinking outside the box, while staying within the BASS rules. I watched him fish that creek and went to the weigh ins every day. I still catch nice smallies in that area today in fact.
That's the one lol. Nope, no fish, nothing to see here, move along. I loved how Bass came back for another tournament, 8 guys with jet boats this time around only to be greeted with 8 inches of rain.
Here we go New Canaan has 75 dpsm. Let the games begin. You guys will beat MA in no time.
Spike how old is this ? 10 years ago ? The UBC. Set this up thru New Canaan years ago Mike on here was one of the guys who gave the class urban bow hunter
Just because it’s printed, doesn’t make it true... 75 deer per square mile is insane. I doubt it was even that high in the early 2000’s. My father and I were part of the UBC. It was a great idea unfortunately it kind of fell apart and i don’t believe even in existance anymore, maybe Kent can chime in as I believe he was one of the founding people for it.
Dave I think I can agree in this case as 75 dpsm is insane! If it’s true though I’m in lol.
Hung Fo I couldn’t agree more. That’s why I pass all tiny young deer and focus on the mature deer and mature does. If a deer can make it to 3.5+ years or older living in backyards and around food piles and survive, they become a whole different animal. They don’t get mature by being stupid . All the dumb ones get thinned out by guys like you.
Honestly enough is enough. You know that doesn't line up with anybody's thoughts here but yet you continue to say whack n stack.. your on here just to start shit. your clearly not welcomed here and you stated yourself how bad you hate this forum and your out..you poke the bear then wonder why it bites you..
Spike I believe they used to say 45-60/sq mi...and I hunted down there a bit back then. There were A TON of deer. I can remember days in New Canaan seeing 10-15 in a sit.... in Redding on the centennial we saw a ton too.
I'm not sure there is that many now, but still more than W. MA. Lol. And yes backyard hunting is totally different and not for everyone.
Rob. I still appreciate everything you did for hunting in general & me in particular. The fact that MM and I met thru you and are still friends to this day is enough to thank you for!
Dave, Thanks for calling me out. I was a long time member, Delegate and sat on the Board of directors for many years. Our mission was to represent the bow hunters of all of CT at the state legislative arena and regulations with the DEP. We were also a formidable charity organization raising thousand of dollars to St Jude's. As with most organizations there are many members but unfortunately only the same handful do all the work. Once all the extended seasons were acquired and Sunday hunting approved we stepped back and the organization waned away. Most of the old members still lurk here daily. There was much talk back then as to what will happen if the annual kill rate remains unchecked and it has come to be true in some if not all zones. We did start a program to place hunters with property owners and Mike in CT can add to its issues. We as Board members were divided with that program and many debates were heated as to liability and fairness to all. Since all here are most concerned about the health of the herd I suggest you check out how the times were very different back then some 20 years ago. There was an organization called White Tail solutions. You can still see there old website, its worth a visit and shows how the thinking to manage the herd at that time was. Maybe Tall 1 can add some to that. Bottom line is if you kill them they won't be there next year! I do believe that there is still a place for an organization such as the UBC but now as then what would the incentive be for the average bow hunter to join let alone participate in. On the properties I hunt we have started to become more selective in what we take and it has improved sightings per sit throughout the season. Good luck to all. I hope to be back to visit next season and hunt with my Son as I should be settled in Florida by then, and yes I have deer on the property there and plan to kill some but not all selectively and be warm while doing it !!!---Kent
It's funny to look back. I do remember UBC and whitetail solutions. I remember buying stickers and raffle tickets to support the cause. Looking back, I guess I never followed through and joined was because it was far, far away in the south......of Hartford that is......
I remember talking to the guy from WT solutions at Newbury's old place back in 03 also had the UB C stickers..was living in Torrington then and just started getting into it.
Little House on the prairie
That’s the place they slept at when they filmed.
I think crow's getting ready to do a drive by on norm from new Yankee workshop..lol
LOL. I thought it was but its not. Looks like it.
I listened to a podcast that featured Dr. Deer. I am not sure Rob is aware of how he comes off.
This is the actual barn. GED, not good, you think? Been a long time since that interview. Thought I did okay, but I take it you think not>
