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Backcountry Hunters Rendevous Schedule
Colorado
Contributors to this thread:
Stix 14-Mar-14
JohnMC 14-Mar-14
8pointer 14-Mar-14
Stix 15-Mar-14
JohnMC 15-Mar-14
Stix 15-Mar-14
crestedbutte 15-Mar-14
Stix 15-Mar-14
BackcountryCO1 15-Mar-14
Stix 16-Mar-14
JohnMC 16-Mar-14
8pointer 16-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
Jahvada 17-Mar-14
grasshopper 17-Mar-14
Keith in colorado 17-Mar-14
Keith in colorado 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
CC on the Move 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
Keith in colorado 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
SHPoet 17-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
JohnMC 17-Mar-14
Glunt@work 17-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
JohnMC 17-Mar-14
JohnMC 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
Stix 17-Mar-14
JohnMC 17-Mar-14
Jaquomo_feral 17-Mar-14
8pointer 17-Mar-14
8pointer 18-Mar-14
JohnMC 18-Mar-14
8pointer 18-Mar-14
Adventurewriter 18-Mar-14
Stix 18-Mar-14
JohnMC 18-Mar-14
Keith in colorado 18-Mar-14
Stix 18-Mar-14
JohnMC 18-Mar-14
Keith in colorado 18-Mar-14
Adventurewriter 18-Mar-14
Zach 18-Mar-14
Stix 18-Mar-14
Zach 18-Mar-14
Stix 18-Mar-14
Stix 20-Mar-14
8pointer 20-Mar-14
8pointer 20-Mar-14
8pointer 21-Mar-14
8pointer 21-Mar-14
Glunt@work 21-Mar-14
8pointer 21-Mar-14
Keith in colorado 21-Mar-14
Zach 21-Mar-14
Stix 21-Mar-14
8pointer 21-Mar-14
Zach 21-Mar-14
jlmatthew 22-Mar-14
Stix 22-Mar-14
From: Stix
14-Mar-14
BHA Rendezvous Schedule: March 21st - 23rd, 2014 Red Lion Hotel Denver

Friday:

4:00 pm – Opening Reception, Vendor Booths Open

5:00 pm – Opening Remarks from Executive Director, Land Tawney

5:30 pm – Dinner

7:00 pm – 10:00 - Backcountry Bash – A casual gathering of fellow backcountry sportsmen and enthusiasts to include outdoor vendors, raffles, drinks, food, and door prizes.

Plus: a keynote address and the 2014 Parade of Tents. The Parade Tents will showcase tents and backcountry camp set-ups from across the country, with each tent package auctioned on Saturday night.

Saturday:

9:00 – 12:00 pm – Seminars, vendor booths open

9:00 – 9:45 am – Breakout Sessions

Room A: Panel Discussion on Key Sportsmen & Conservation National Legislation. Participants include John Gale, BHA Board Member and National Sportsmen's Outreach Campaign Manager for the National Wildlife Federation; Gaspar Perricone; CO Parks & Wildlife Commissioner and Director of Bull Moose Sportsmen; Ty Churchwell, Backcountry Coordinator for Trout Unlimited.

Room B: A How-to Seminar on Burro Packing. Hosted by Eric Lynn, Owner of Mountain Ridge Gear.

Vendor Area: Tenkara Fishing Technique Demonstration. Hosted by Paul Vertrees, Official Tenkara USA Guide and Steve Conrad, Tenkara USA.

10:00 – 10:45 am – Breakout Sessions

Room A: Tips for Stalking and Still Hunting. Hosted by Clay Hayes, Producer of the “Backcountry College” and owner of “The Twisted Stave.”

Room B: 72 Years Hunting without a GPS. Hosted by Gene Decker, Professor Emeritus of Wildlife Biology at CO State University.

Vendor Area: Falconry for beginners. Taught by Roger Tucker, Colorado Falconers Association.

11:00 – 11:45 am – Breakout Sessions

Room A: Public Land Mule Deer Hunting Tips and Tactics. Taught by Kent Ingram, Member of the Colorado Parks & Wildlife Sportsmen Roundtable and President of the Colorado Wildlife Federation.

Room B: Outdoor Survival Skills. Hosted by Peter Kummerfeldt, OutdoorSafe.

Vendor Area: Meat Processing Demo. A hands-on how-to demo with Dustin Goodew, Arapahoe Meat Company.

12:00 - 12:30 pm – Lunch

12:30 – 1:15 pm – Panel 1:

Hunting Ethics: Technology & Hunting. Panel guests include board members from Orion, The Hunters Institute and board members from BHA.

1:15 – 2:00 pm – Panel 2:

Women & Hunting. A panel discussion facilitated by Holly Endersby, BHA Conservation Director. Panel guests include Angie Timm, Owner of Seek Outside; Whitney Tawney, Conservation Policy Specialist at Ducks Unlimited and Co-Founder of Camo is the New Black; Katherine Grand, Prois.

2:00 – 4:00 pm – Seminars, Vendor Booths Open

2:15 – 3:00 pm – Breakout sessions

Room A: Mulies & Cutties – A presentation on current research on mule deer and native cutthroat restoration from Colorado Parks & Wildlife (CPW). Speakers include Chad Bishop, Assistant Director of Wildlife and Natural Resources for CPW and Doug Krieger, SE regional biologist for CPW.

Room B: Training an Upland Bird Dog. A how-to seminar by Pam Maleskar and the CO Gun Dog Association.

3:15 – 4:00 pm – Breakout sessions

Room A: Photographing Your Fishing Trip – A presentation on fishing photography techniques by Tim Romano, Co-Owner of Angling Trade Magazine and "Fly Talk" Blogger for Field & Stream.

Room B: The Impacts of Roads on Wildlife Habitat. A presentation on current research by Doug Ouren, Wildlife Researcher with USGS.

4:00 – 5:00 pm – Social, Drinks

5:00 pm – Public Premiere film showing of “untamed” and BHA year-in-review film

5:30 pm – Dinner & Awards

6:30 pm – Keynote speaker, Hal Herring of Field & Stream

7:30 pm – Auction

Sunday:

8:30 - 10:30 am –Chapter Meeting

Updates and discussion on issues, activities and events with State Chapters

From: JohnMC
14-Mar-14
FYI...check out this group closely before giving any money. They are sponsored in part my the National Wilflife Federation.

From: 8pointer
14-Mar-14
As a result, they love wolves. A good wolf is a dead wolf.

From: Stix
15-Mar-14
Not sure why the NWF is used in a negative way. The National Wildlife Federation's Colorado affiliate(Colorado Wildlife Federation) has a board composed of many of the Colorado Parks and Wildlife former and current staff members, They are a well respected (by CPW) group.

See this link for CWF board members: http://coloradowildlife.org/about/Board-2010.html

It must be a good affiliation as the some of CPW staff will be in attendance at the rendezvous as well as wildlife commissioners and Colorado state and federal reps/senators. Also BHA has a growing list of CPW employees in membership. They believe in our mission promoting the conservation of wildlife habitat and resources and the unselfish way we go about it by "not trying to get what we can out of it" as some organizations do.

From: JohnMC
15-Mar-14
The National Wildlife Federation main focus is fighting global warming and shutting down oil and gas production, their CEO sits on the board of Al Gore’s “Climate Reality Project” Joel Gale is top executive there and has fingers all over BHA.

After spending a litlle time researching this group I think Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, is an environmentalist front group.

From: Stix
15-Mar-14
For perfect examples of selfish attitudes look at some of the suggestions for the 5 year season structure on this site. It's all about "what's best for me", "what's best for my group", "how can I get the biggest piece of the pie". In none of them are suggestions about "what's best for the wildlife".

When we debate folks about the need to hunt, we always bring up how we are doing our part for wildlife conservation, controlling herds, carrying capacity, etc., yet our actions and attitudes don't show it. To most hunters, hunting is only about the kill, conservation is only about food plots to grow bigger antlers, and establishing seasons is only about getting as long a season as we can get. No mention at all of conservation of the resource. At some point we have to say...Are us hunters really about wildlife conservation? or Are we Hippocrates only looking out for ourselves with no concern for the resource.

"What's best for me" is not what Teddy Roosevelt and Also Leopold were about

What are you doing to give back to conservation?

From: crestedbutte
15-Mar-14
What are you doing?

From: Stix
15-Mar-14
Part of a boots on the ground effort to contact wildlife professionals and legislators to pass conservation friendly legislation. Being part of an organization the actively lobby's for legislation protecting wildlife and habitat, secures and expands open entrance to our federal lands for wildlife recreation specifically for hunting and fishing. To name a few. It's a list too long to write. Look on our website for all we do.

Again I ask, what are you doing to promote wildlife conservation that you boast about to non-hunters, etc?

15-Mar-14
Ten years ago a group of seven hunters and anglers, standing around a fire in U.S. Army veteran Mike Beagle’s backyard, set in motion a series of events that would lead to the Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA), The Sportsman's Voice for Our Wild Public Lands, Waters and Wildlife (www.backcountryhunters.org).

From that original “gang of seven,” BHA has grown to have members in all fifty states and fifteen official state chapters (including our first international chapter, in British Columbia). But BHA’s first official chapter, the Colorado Backcountry Hunters & Anglers, was formed by a Marine Corps veteran/helicopter pilot, David “Elkheart” Petersen (author of A Man Made of Elk). Since then, the title of Colorado BHA chairman has been passed on to me, a former Air Force missile launch officer and NRA member.

BHA members know from boots-on-the-ground experience that the backcountry public lands sustaining our hunting and angling heritage are under threat, on many fronts. In Denver we’ll celebrate our successes, take stock of our losses, and strategize on how to protect and perpetuate wildlands and wildlife for future generations of hunters and anglers and others. So far we have over 150 registered guests and sixteen vendors (and counting!) and a growing roster of special guests, including: Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) Director, Bob Broscheid (Friday evening) and Rep. Scott Tipton (R-CO) Saturday morning.

Mike Beagle, David Petersen, and all the other BHA members know that big wild creatures need big, wild habitat, and we’re endeavoring to follow in the footsteps of America’s greatest hunter-conservationist (and Medal of Honor winner), Theodore Roosevelt, who said: “Of all the questions which can come before this nation, short of the actual preservation of its existence in a great war, there is none which compares in importance with the great central task of leaving this land even a better land for our descendants than it is for us.”

From: Stix
16-Mar-14
Good Explanation and description of our organization and it's roots Dave

From: JohnMC
16-Mar-14

JohnMC's Link
Some interesting reading about this group and groups it affiliates with.

From: 8pointer
16-Mar-14

8pointer 's Link
Scary article JohnMC. I would encourage all on Colorado Bowsite to read it before you send any money to them.

John Gale is a wolf in sheep's clothing for sure(bible reference).

On the agenda above you'll see the DIRECTOR OF BULL MOOSE SPORTSMAN(Perricone) IS GOING TO BE there on March 22nd.

The Bull Moose Sportsman support Universal Background Checks and helped get MICHAEL BENNETT elected. How do some of you feel about Michael Bennett? See attached article on where your money may be going if you support some of these radicals.

Perricone is on the CPW wildlife commission. Images of Bill Clinton and John Kerry going duck hunting come to mind when I read about this guy.

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
Also noted in that article it says that Bull Moose Sportsman helped get Martin Heinrich from New Mexico, a democrat, elected to the US Senate. In April of 2013 he voted yes on banning clips over 10.

I like my GLOCK 17 BTW.

So it seems the Bull Moose who is affiliated with BCH enjoys giving money to democrats. I wonder if they gave any money to Mark Udall yet?

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
Meet the Bull Moose Sportsmen’s Alliance Leadership

Co-Founder and Co-Director: Gaspar Perricone

A native of Steamboat Springs Colorado, Co-Director Gaspar Perricone has been a lifelong hunter and angler. Perricone’s roots in farming, ranching, and outfitting led him to develop a strong respect for conservation and the protection of our outdoor heritage. In 2007 Perricone founded Outdoor Heritage Consulting, a group dedicated to advancing sportsmen’s interests throughout Colorado. Prior to co-founding the Bull Moose Sportsmen’s Alliance, he served as the Western Slope Director for U.S. Senator Mark Udall. Perricone is currently a Wildlife Commissioner of the Colorado Division of Wildlife, the Conservation Chair of Denver Chapter of Trout Unlimited as well as a member of Colorado Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, Colorado Wildlife Federation, Colorado Bowhunters Association, Rocky Mt. Elk Foundation, and the NRA.

Please note in there you will see Perricone served as the Western Slope Director for US Senator Mark Udall. I'm not liking any of Senator Udall's votes. He votes for whatever President Obama wants him to vote for including very liberal judges.

You see folks when you dig just a little into BCH you will find out things that may make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

From: Jahvada
17-Mar-14
Thanks for the info about the BCH.

From: grasshopper
17-Mar-14
At least BCHA had the balls to stand up and testify against a bill that removed 25% of sportsmen licenses from the public draw. While I'm not a member for my own reasons, they were the only group that was there to oppose it.

17-Mar-14
I went to a public conferance where they had a speaker (tv guy) come and talk, had all kinds of cool gear to raffle off, when the guys from BCHA ended up winning all the prizes and the public which made up 95% of the antendees one a couple BCHA hats and shists I knew this was not an organization I wanted to be a pert of. Then when I researched them I KNEW I wanted no part of this group of liberals!

17-Mar-14
Man, I need to hit spell check before I hit enter!

From: Stix
17-Mar-14
Gaspar Perricone is a member of the CBA, per his biography on the CPW commissioners website. If you CBA folks don,t like him, I suggest you contact him and ask him to resign his seat as commissioner. Personally, from what I,ve seen of his comments, especially with regards to bowhunting, he has been a great commissioner for both the bowhunting community and conservation in general. I still have the question on the table...What have you done to promote conservation? So far, no answers

17-Mar-14
I am sure most folks here on bowsite are in favor of conserving wildlife habitat as well as protecting the rights we have under the constitution. Its too bad we rarely see an organization or a candidate that respects the values of both.

I guess I didn't get into the right research before joining BHA. Now I will wait until Nov to make a decision on renewing. It will be extremely difficult to support an organization that funds a candidate so willing to strip Americans of their rights and who clearly votes party line rather than listening to constituents.

So while I may not be doing much or anything for conservation in or until Nov, I will have my eyes open to see the whole picture.

From: Stix
17-Mar-14
In fact, I have just sent Gaspar an invitation to join in on this thread with a link to it. He should be aware of how folks in the bowhunting community feel about him. May he will reconsider his memberships in the organizations he belongs to.

17-Mar-14
Every body needs to Consider or reconsider who they support with their dollars! Which means I will not support anyone who does not understand the meaning SHALL NOT BE INFRIDGED!

From: Stix
17-Mar-14
As I said...I still have the question on the table...What have you done to promote wildlife conservation?

From: Stix
17-Mar-14
PLEASE read this in it's entirety and comment

I challenge anyone to find any instance where the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has taken a position for any gun control legislation. Many of our members, including myself are NRA members. It simply is not true and a lie to make any connection, in fact it is simply a lie to draw away from the fact that we do adhere to our charter of strong conservation. We don,t compromise our charter to as some organizations have in order to make a political move to be in favor with CPW (as many organizations did when they refused to take a stand against the landowner tag quota increase.)

Again the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers stands firmly by our charter with no compromise to be an advocate for public land hunters, anglers, wildlife habitat, opening up more access for recreational use of our public lands, with an emphasis on hunting and fishing, working with federal and state agencies to curb illegal and unethical ATV abuse and support ways to educate the public on the importance of wildlife conservation. If one or more of our members belongs to outside organizations that work on issues outside of this realm, than that is their prerogative.

I'd like to ask some other questions.. Did or does the organization that you belong to ever compromise itself and it's charter by not publicly speaking out against an issue that had negative effects on hunting license distribution to the common public land hunter in order to gain a politically favorable gain?

Which is worse, an organization that says they promote hunting, but closes their eyes on a tough stance? or and organization that makes a tough conservation stand despite it's potential to ruffle feathers?

Which of these organizations would you rather belong to?

What have you or your organization done to promote wildlife conservation that is so widely TALKED the TALK about by hunters and organizations, but few WALK the WALK.

Take a look at www.backcountryhunters.org , you will find straight up what we have done and we stand for in terms of wildife conservation, without those of you who need to inject the 7 layers of Kevin Bacon. You can see what we stand for, what we've accomplished, and what we are trying to accomplish. WITH NO COMPROMISES

From: SHPoet
17-Mar-14
Everyone needs to remember.....

Being pro hunting does NOT automatically imply being pro gun or pro second amendment.

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
SHPoet you are correct being a hunter doesn't necessarily mean pro gun or pro second amendment but it's very odd to see this organization,BCH, in such a gun heritage rich state, being affiliated with an organization, Bull Moose Sportsman's Alliance, that supports candidates that vote for gun control. Limiting a clip to 10 is ridiculous for self defense. It's also very odd in a rich oil/gas state for this organization, BCH, to be affiliated with, NWF, who is anti oil/gas. It's also very odd that this organization, BCH, is affiliated with an organization, NWF, that is pro wolf.

Who you affiliate with, BCH, shows where your money is coming from and going to, evidenced by your guest speakers and who sits on your board.

From: Stix
17-Mar-14
Evidently there's folks who can see through the lies, since Colorado has our largest state chapters out of 18 across the country and 1 in Canada.

Still waiting for answers as far as What are you doing to promote wildlife conservation?

Everyone wants to attack but no one wants to answer this, and you call yourselves sportsman? Have you ever justified hunting by using the conservation argument? Sounds like you folks are the ones trying to present yourself as something you aren't. Now that's being HIPPOCRATES!

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
Stix, I guess you are demanding an answer. I have done a lot of work on the Colorado River cutting salt cedar, when outdoors I pick up every can and piece of trash I see, if I see a snowmobiler or ATV rider going off where they aren't supposed to I report them, also report slob hunters, make sure I kill an animal with every tag I draw to cut the population(don't always but sure am blessed to kill a lot), etc. I belong to the group, www.plaa.co to legally fight landowners who gate roads illegally currently and in the past(in Colorado). Blocking hunting access for guiding or favors in other words illegally. I also join every petition and write many letters in total opposition to wovles in Colorado so that elk and mule deer are preserved for future generations.

Obviously you have a lot of blind members who probably don't know your organization loves wolves, has guest speakers who support candidates who support gun control, and hate oil/gas.

That meeting that you speak of is there an open forum where members of the audience can ask questions? Between skiing and snowmobiling this weekend, if I get a chance, it would be pretty cool to ask some tough questions of your speakers. Like, "Mr. Speaker did you know that candidate you supported in New Mexico voted FOR gun clips to be reduced to 10? Mr. Speaker why did you give $117,000 to Michael Bennet's campaign?" What have those 2 people done for hunters, guns, federal land access, etc. NOT MUCH!

So everytime you come on this forum promoting BCH, no matter how many things you have done, I will always expose your love for wolves, anti oil/gas, and this newly found information that you affiliate with an organization that supports candidates who support gun control. I would bet that most bowhunters on this website own a handgun and some probably even have a gun in their house with a clip over 15 rounds which they may or may not carry with them for protection while bowhunting.

From: JohnMC
17-Mar-14
Stix- Why don't you point out the lies and refute them with facts? You act as if you can't support conservation and be for taking any vehicle of a paved road, or support drilling for oil/gas or the keystone pipe line. There are plenty of groups out that stand for both conservation and unwavering on the second amendment. Most in the west believe wolfs are not a good conservation tool.

Lastly most don't want to be lead by those on the left such as Perricone or Gale that will funnel our dollars to liberals such Micheal Bennet.

I am not sure if you are just naive or if you also support things such as stopping most drilling/pipelines, more gun control, and giving dollars to left wing politicians. So please do tell us you rstance on these issues.

From: Glunt@work
17-Mar-14
I like back country hunting. I like conserving wild places and habitat. I like that BCHA stood up against the land owner voucher bill. I was also screaming up Super Chicken HIll by Grand lake this weekend on my evil 2-stroke Ski-Doo disrupting some critters hibernation.

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/index.php/state-chapters/colorado-bha/co-life-members/371-steve-choromanski

Stix, There's your bio from BCH. How can you say that you are a STEADFAST supporter of the 2nd amendment but are having Bull Moose at your event who gave a lot of money to Michael Bennett and Martin Heinrich from New Mexico, a democrat, both elected to the US Senate. Heinrich voted last April to limit clip sizes to 10 but you say on your bio you are a steadfast supporter of the 2nd Amendment? Who your group associates with shows BCH is not a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment.

Great buck by the way. About 172?

You definitely appear to have a passion for conservation but why not have that passion through the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation or the Mule Deer Association? They seem to do tons for conservation without all of these other pro wolf, anti oil/gas, gun control attachments.

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
Glunt mine is a 2 stroke as well. Would like to switch to a 4 stroke because I'm tired of smelling like smoke from the ski doo.

From: Stix
17-Mar-14
" I have done a lot of work on the Colorado River cutting salt cedar, when outdoors I pick up every can and piece of trash I see, if I see a snowmobiler or ATV rider going off where they aren't supposed to I report them, also report slob hunters, make sure I kill an animal with every tag I draw to cut the population(don't always but sure am blessed to kill a lot), etc. I belong to the group, www.plaa.co to legally fight landowners who gate roads illegally currently and in the past(in Colorado). Blocking hunting access for guiding or favors in other words illegally. I also join every petition and write many letters in total opposition to wovles in Colorado so that elk and mule deer are preserved for future generations"

8pointer, these are very commendable actions you do, and I wish that all hunters, anglers,and outdoor recreationists would follow this lead as good stewards of our land.

Conservation is generally defined as wise use and planning of our wildlife resources ie: protecting wildlife habitat so that the can live in a state where their numbers prosper and ensuring their habitat is healthy in a balanced environment. This also applies to fiseries and water. This is why we are in such a favorable relationship with wildlife agencies across the country. We are not species specific or hunting method specific to where we are looking to get the biggest piece of the pie for our method of hunting, fishing, or species. We believe the wildlife biologists are best equipped to make decisions regarding our seasons dates, methods of take,tag numbers, etc. without playing the political game of trying to appease one group. In other words, what is the best for wildlife and their habitat trumps everything, even if it makes a lobbying group unhappy.

"You definitely appear to have a passion for conservation but why not have that passion through the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation or the Mule Deer Association? "

These groups have very commendable missions and yes they do very good things. One issue is they are species specific. BHA is an all encompassing group for all outdoorsman from bait fisherman, to fly fisherman, from traditional bowhunter, to rifle hunter, from weekend camper to backcountry backpacker, all of whom believe in strong and liberal hunting and fishing opportunities, and wildlife/habitat conservation Again this is why we are in good standing with fish and game agencies as well as the US Forest service and US fish and wildlife service.

"Great buck by the way. About 172?"

Don't know I have several this size and don't score them.

" Why don't you point out the lies and refute them with facts?" "They are sponsored in part my the National Wilflife Federation. "

Not true, we separate organizations, receive no funding from them, but our sponsors are listed on our website and they are all hunting fishing and camping related companies.

"After spending a litlle time researching this group I think Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, is an environmentalist front group"

Not sure how to handle this, as you can see by out TRACK RECORD we are a pro-conservation group, and as a group have never supported wolf reintroduction in Colorado, Gun Control initiatives. We have a great deal of members who are NRA members. If people who are conservation minded who speak at our gatherings have made comments about this, its not the BHA's position.

"Who you affiliate with, BCH, shows where your money is coming from and going to,"

Our money is spent lobbying legislatures, congress,fish and game agencies to promote conservation mineded policies, backed by science with scientific facts. WE take no money from any other organizations, and our sponsors are wildlife related companies as listed on our website.

"Obviously you have a lot of blind members who probably don't know your organization loves wolves"

Tell me where the BHA as an official position, has taken any position on wolves. We have individual members who have personal positions of support for wolf re-introduction and some who do not. But we have never taken an official position and we wont.

These are the lies, misgivings and unsubstantiated rumors propagated by fringe groups to bash us. Look at our TRACK RECORD, it speaks for itself. Check our website www.backcountryhunters.org

From: JohnMC
17-Mar-14
How can you not take a postion on wolves when talking about conservation in the west? It is a huge issue.

You skipped over the issue on oil, gas, mining, and the keystone pipeline.

You said you sent Gaspar a invite to join this thread. You sound as if the two of you are close. If he won't come on and defend statements such as the one below. Will you explain how someone who has taking such a stand and tied to groups such as NWF suddenly represents a different idealogy in your little club? (Same could be said of John Gale)

"Gaspar Perricone, who told Politico that, “Background checks fall within the ethics of responsible gun ownership,” is a former staffer for Sen. Mark Udall, Colorado Democrat. Politico also ran an op-ed by Mr. Perricone on Thursday entitled, “Hunters Chart Middle Ground on Guns.” "

From: JohnMC
17-Mar-14

From: Stix
17-Mar-14

From: Stix
17-Mar-14

From: JohnMC
17-Mar-14

JohnMC's Link
Ben Long BHA CO chairman is program director for Resource Media a 501c3 nonprofit organization. Take a look at his partners in the attached link. Do most of those groups look like strong supports of hunters, the second amendment, or less government spending for that matter?

17-Mar-14
That list of Resource Media's partners is like a Hall of Fame for hard-left, zombie-eyed, uber-green zealots.

You are who you are.

The opening paragraph on the BCHA website says this: "Hunters and Anglers is a non-partisan group of sportsmen and women who are standing up for wilderness and for the wildlife that depends upon it."

Looks to me like there's plenty of "partisanship" involved with BCHA leadership. There may be lots of good intentions there, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm all for roadless areas, the more the merrier, because I just got a new hip and am only 60. So I'm good to go for another decade or so, God-willing. Hooray for me, screw everybody else who isn't quite as able-bodied and discovers that the road they've driven to elk camp for the past 40 years is now closed off. Bummer for them.

From: 8pointer
17-Mar-14
Yikes Ben Long works with some real partisan people.

Look at this guy:

http://www.resource-media.org/eric-frankowski/

Or this gal:

http://www.resource-media.org/debbie-slobe-2/

Or this guy: http://www.resource-media.org/eric-jaffe/

That guy is proud he got Bill Clinton/Al Gore elected to the white house. And then those 2 went on to pass the assault weapons ban.

Or this gal:

http://www.resource-media.org/amy-frykman/ Proud of beating some right-wing ballot initiates in Oregon, Washington, and California.

The location of the office for Resource media tells it all. Boulder, Colorado.

Go on that website folks and see who else gets to rub shoulders with Ben Long on a daily basis. It seems to me birds of a feather flock together.

So Stix, just curious here. Did you vote for Udall, Bennett, and Hickenlooper? I would bet my life savings that Ben Long voted for some or all of those candidates.

From: 8pointer
18-Mar-14

8pointer 's Link
When you read that article by a BCH staffer it's all in support of wolves.

From: JohnMC
18-Mar-14

JohnMC's Link
Joel Webster other co-chairman -Executive Committee Member for Sierra Club: see attached link.

From: 8pointer
18-Mar-14

8pointer 's Link
There's some lovely reading about the Sierra Club. I don't want that in Colorado.

18-Mar-14
"That list of Resource Media's partners is like a Hall of Fame for hard-left, zombie-eyed, uber-green zealots".

Love it...don't know a thing about them but when I read the list of activities my liberal gieger counter started clicking

From: Stix
18-Mar-14
As I said, look into our track record as an organization to find out the facts regarding what we support or do not support. Our folks have many personal feelings and different opinions on various issues, but everyone is united under the charter of our organization. Show me anywhere were the rganization has taken an official position on the issues you bring up.

"You skipped over the issue on oil, gas, mining, and the keystone pipeline"

Sorry about "skipping" over this. When it comes to these issues, each project must be evaluated for it's pro's and con's. No one should give these projects cart blanche or free pass to proceed without assessing the environmental impact. In the case of the BHA, we assess these projects also to dervive what the wildlife habitat, wildlife, water and conservation impact. As seen with the Pebble Mine in Alaska, this mine would have destroyed the last inland major salmon fishery in Bristol Bay, with the ton's of sewage and mineral pollution. As a sportsman, you seriously didn't think this project should go forward? The was a wide concensus among sportsmen that this mine needed to be halted. You need to be open minded to the pro's and con's of each project.

Once again, please look at our website www.backcountryhunters.org

Look at our accomplishments track record as an organization, to judge our success and truths about what are beliefs are. Let's put an end to the conspiracy theorists here. The facts are what you see in writting, than make a judgement call as whether you feel that our values are worth supporting.

From: JohnMC
18-Mar-14
I am with you now Stix -

I will ignore all of the left wing connection that your board is affilated with. It is now perfectly clear even though they stand for opposing views else where. At BHA they will take stances that are 180 degree to their public views in past.

18-Mar-14
Stix, I am a member of countless organizations that promote conservation, RMEF, Mule Deer Foundation, DU, NWTF, Pheasants Forever to name a few. And none of them are anti 2nd amendment or support liberal politicians like BCHA! There, your question has been answered!

From: Stix
18-Mar-14
Once again, please do not say the BHA is anti-secons amendment. Nowhere have we supported gun control as an organization, in fact many of our members are NRA life members. Where do you find that we are anti-second amendment? That is once of the lies or misrepresentations that are being given here.

Our board has members that represent a vast degree of personal positions, but these are not the BHA's fight. We stick to our charter, and as our record show we say what we mean, and do what we say. There is no gray area. it is all cut and dry and black and white. You will find no anti-second amendment positions or positions on wolves that we, as an organization support.

Look att our website and tell me where we support anti-second amendment or wolf re-introduction. You wont find it, but you will find all pro conservation accomplishments.

From: JohnMC
18-Mar-14
You still have not answered how you can not take a postion on wolves and say "Conservation is generally defined as wise use and planning of our wildlife resources ie: protecting wildlife habitat so that the can live in a state where their numbers prosper and ensuring their habitat is healthy in a balanced environment."

Does wolves not have a huge impact on mumbers prospering?

Then again your group is wolves in sheep clothing.

18-Mar-14
OK, just because your board has not takin a position on agendas (guns, wolves) for the BCHA but they have in their private lives, that alone is enough for me to say NO, I will not support them! I'll be done now, you have opened my eyes to the fact the BCHA is run by a bunch of liberals! Or should I say WOLVES in sheeps clothing!

18-Mar-14
Also...be cautious of groups that agree with you and promote your causes in the beginning and say all the right things when they have a 15 year plan. The first is to get traction...and then they start to tune and spin it. Once they get some muscle then they put their other plans in place...

Lets settle this...I don't want to hear a rambling talk about balanced eco-systems.

Does your organization want to see wolves in Colorado?? YES OR NO??? And if not you would support shooting them on sight if they wander into Colorado...so what is it????

From: Zach
18-Mar-14
"I went to a public conferance where they had a speaker (tv guy) come and talk, had all kinds of cool gear to raffle off, when the guys from BCHA ended up winning all the prizes and the public which made up 95% of the antendees one a couple BCHA hats and shists I knew this was not an organization I wanted to be a pert of. Then when I researched them I KNEW I wanted no part of this group of liberals!"

Keith, would this have happen to been at a Sportsmens Whse just north of Denver?

I was there also if it's what I'm thinking it was. Didn't win a thing. Did get my book autographed though.

From: Stix
18-Mar-14
No we do not support wolves in Colorado. As far as other places that do have wolf populations, we have supported hunting seasons as needed to keep their numbers in check.

From: Zach
18-Mar-14
Oh, and I'm guessing we'll need another thread to discuss MDF/SFW/BGF....

From: Stix
18-Mar-14
What are MDF/SFW/BGF? I need to step away from this thread as we are prepping for our banquet with 250 guests now registered and several hundred more individual tickets sold for the Backcountry Bash. But please keep the questions coming and if I don't have he correct answer I will get it. Thank You

From: Stix
20-Mar-14
You guys go your facts messed up. From NRA website:

Gun Rights

Martin Heinrich opposed legislation (HR 45) that would have re-instated the expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban. Heinrich supported bills that would create a national standard for the concealed carrying of firearms across state lines, and co-sponsored legislation that would ease the restrictions on the sales of firearms across state lines.The National Rifle Association endorsed Heinrich during the 2010 congressional and 2012 Senate elections. At that time, he received a grade of "A" from the NRA on his stance with regards to Second Amendment rights.

From: 8pointer
20-Mar-14
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/18/1350281/ten-gun-supporters-now-open-to-gun-control/

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Martin_Heinrich_Gun_Control.htm

http://newmexico.watchdog.org/17680/background-checks-on-guns-fails-in-us-senate-heinrich-and-udall-vote-yes/

http://votesmart.org/bill/16585/43809/74517/limits-firearm-magazine-capacity#.UyuzJLeYbIU

All that's old news Stix. The guy has liberal tendancies and the Bull Moose Sportsman got him elected and Michael Bennett. So what are you talking about? Read all those articles.

When a guy votes to limit a clip to 10 shots that's pretty pathetic.

After Heinrich's votes this past year I would guess when the NRA ranks his 2013 year, which they haven't yet it will be a C-.

From: 8pointer
20-Mar-14
Bennett's votes on gun control this year:

https://votesmart.org/bill/16585/43809/110942/limits-firearm-magazine-capacity#.Uyu0P7eYbIU

He also likes us to have a 10 shot clip.

https://votesmart.org/bill/16401/43297/110942/prohibits-the-united-states-from-entering-into-the-united-nations-arms-trade-treaty#.Uyu0vbeYbIU

He also wanted us to join the United Nations Arms treaty.

https://votesmart.org/bill/16584/43806/110942/authorizes-reciprocity-for-the-carrying-of-certain-concealed-firearms#.Uyu1AbeYbIU

Voted against concealed carry across state lines. You can mostly but it would be nice to have Federal support.

Here's some votes for Udall:

Loves the UN Arms Treaty as well here's his vote:

https://votesmart.org/bill/16401/43297/12329/mark-udall-voted-nay-amendment-vote-s-amdt-139-prohibits-the-united-states-from-entering-into-the-united-nations-arms-trade-treaty#43297

Would love for all of us to not have a clip larger than 10:

https://votesmart.org/bill/16585/43809/12329/mark-udall-voted-yea-amendment-vote-s-amdt-714-limits-firearm-magazine-capacity#43809

So there's 2 more pieces to this thread that shows that candidates that the Bull Moose Sportsman support who are also speaking at your Rendezvous want to limit a bow hunter's ability to not be able to buy a clip larger than 10 to carry with them to protect them from crazy people they may meet in the woods, rabid animals, cougars, or a black bear gone mad.

So don't give me the A rating by the NRA 2012 old news stuff. Your guy from NM would not be getting an A rating now after voting to limit clip sizes.

From: 8pointer
21-Mar-14
What you should do Stix is your group should take a stand and not allow Bull Moose Sportsman to talk at your Rendezvous. By allowing them to speak you are, in essence, agreeing with the votes that their candidates to the US Senate made this past year.

From: 8pointer
21-Mar-14
I can't wait until the election so I can hear on TV how many times in commercials Udall voted for these votes to infringe on a bowhunter's right to defend themselves with a clip larger than 10. A bow isn't very effective on a cougar coming at you full speed.

BTW, and I said it before I LOVE my Glock 17 which I have many 17 shot clips for. I guess if I need more I'll just go up to Wyoming and waste gas.

From: Glunt@work
21-Mar-14
8pointer. If you do go to WY and get more, you can't legally bring them back. Colorado has been sliding the wrong way for years but it would be nice to get that ridiculous law off the books.

From: 8pointer
21-Mar-14
I was joking. I have more than enough.

21-Mar-14
BCHA Wolves in sheeps clothing! Your dues are a donation to the DNC!

From: Zach
21-Mar-14
MDF ~ Mule Deer Foundation BGF ~ Big Game Forever SFW ~ Sportsmen for Fish & Wildlife

Do some research on them and Don Peay.

Consider the worms out of the can.

From: Stix
21-Mar-14
I guess the fact that Congressman Scott Tipton (R-Co) will be in attendance is part of a left wing conspiracy??????

From: 8pointer
21-Mar-14
Stix, Scott may be lost too, I'll check it out. I haven't followed him lately since I live right in the middle of Denver. I just pull the R lever and leave, knowing darn well I threw my vote away. Zach, I'll research all of those as well.

From: Zach
21-Mar-14
8pointer, opinions may vary on those 3, but as far as I'm concerned they are in the conservation game for themselves.

From: jlmatthew
22-Mar-14
Years ago I use to support the MDF and help out at the local chapter. But when new leadership took over they pretty much became the Utah MDF. Then they wanted to get bigger yet so they got in bed with Utah's SFW and its convention and now are just tag brokers for Denny Austad and Doyle Moss types.

From: Stix
22-Mar-14
Final numbers have shown the to be the most successful rendezvous so far, doubling last years attendance. I thank this site, and the posters on this thread with helping to get the message out on our organization. We had over 30 folks today tell me that as a result of checking our website as a result of this thread, it prompted them to come to the events. Folks have realized that hunters are regaining their role as the original conservationists,that for too long misguided organizations have been separating in the name of money and as seen most recently in Colorado, privatization of wildlife by increases in landowner tags deducted from the general license quota.. Great speech by Rep Tipton (R-CO) on his efforts, and his sponsorship of a bill creating the Hermosa Creek Wilderness and Sen Udall (D-CO) on his efforts and sponsorship to include funding for recreation shooting ranges on public lands in the 2014 Sportsmans Act. As you recall this bi-partisan bill which was killed in 20213 by Sen Shelby (R-Al) aka the "Alabama Slammer" because it included an increase to the Federal Duck stamp, even though it was asked for by conservation organizations including Ducks Unlimited because in increased funding for wetlands conservation. They also praised the BHA for being an organization thst walks the walk of conservation, not just talk the talk when convenient.

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