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Deer hunt - what is wrong with people?
Idaho
Contributors to this thread:
REX 15-Oct-14
shark 15-Oct-14
AwHunt73 17-Oct-14
Idabow 18-Oct-14
Brock-ID 18-Oct-14
9er 19-Oct-14
nijimasu 20-Oct-14
GCreek 20-Oct-14
Eric B. 21-Oct-14
mjenkins 22-Oct-14
mjenkins 22-Oct-14
T43 24-Oct-14
Nick Muche 23-Dec-14
brewski 24-Dec-14
Michigan Hunter 31-Dec-14
Sarge 20-Feb-15
Nick Muche 20-Feb-15
new ears 21-Feb-15
new ears 21-Feb-15
Recon 09-Apr-15
Deadeye1 21-Jun-15
10orbetter 23-Jun-15
From: REX
15-Oct-14
I just need to air out my frustrations and see if anyone else agrees with me.

I have always been an archery hunter primarily for elk with a deer tag in my pocket just in case I came across a nice buck during the archery hunt. Then, every year, I go out on the any weapon (rifle) hunt for a big buck. Back when I was a kid and even as late as 10 years ago or so, it seemed to be understood that adults hunted for really big bucks and the 2-points, 3-points, and small 4-points (under 25 inches or so) were for the kids to shoot.

We could hunt areas and be the only ones up there and pass on little bucks all day in search of a "wall hanger."

I took my 12 year old daughter out on opening day and had 9 trucks drive in and park behind us. And it wasn't that big of an area. What ever happened to the unwritten rule that if someone is in the spot you plan to hunt, you move on to another area? That's what I always do. I was taught that was just common courtesy so you don't mess up the other hunters' hunt.

Almost all of these clowns drove up onto every ridge and saddle on ATVs (in an ATV restricted area), walked 50 yards off the machine and sat and waited for someone else to run a deer past them. The honest hunters who hiked in there were essentially the brushers for the slob hunters who rode in and were too lazy to walk 100 yards.

We saw 6 2-point bucks and lead was flying all over the mountain. I was embarrassed to be out there among them.

We went to another area and ran into two Utards that were packing out a small 20-inch 4-point. The guy that shot it was just as proud as a peacock for shooting that deer on a general hunt. I had to bite my tongue so that I didn't cuss him out for not letting it grow a few more years.

OK so I know that the little bucks are generally better eating and I have even shot a 2-point buck with my bow from time to time just to get some tender vittles in the freezer. But there honestly can't be that many rifle hunters out there strictly hunting for meat that they are willing to kill every small buck they see. I would never even consider shooting a small buck with a rifle unless my family was on the verge of starvation. These guys with a brand new Powerstroke, a trailer full of Razrs, full suits of Sitka, fancy spotting scopes, expensive rifles, etc. can obviously afford all the beef they can eat and ought to be ashamed of themselves when they have little 2 and 3 point bucks tied up high for all to see.

These guys come from out of state and complain the whole time they are here that we don't have any big bucks like we used to when they are the ones killing the little bucks before they even have a chance to grow big. It drives me crazy. We saw over 40 trucks the other day and not one other Idaho plate besides ours.

I am fed up with it and have pretty much decided to hunt deer on the late archery hunt from now on. At this point, I couldn't care less if I ever hunt deer with a rifle ever again. In my mind, IDF&G is doing a poor job of managing our deer (and elk too). It is evident to me that they only care about making money and not managing our deer herds. I am done. Is there anyone else out there that feels the same way? What is the solution?

From: shark
15-Oct-14
REX

I feel the same way. People these days are very rude and inconsiderate. Next time don't bite your tongue. Tell them exactly what you think. Its our own fault for not standing up for what we believe is right and wrong. By not letting them have the "what for", they think what they are doing is right. Same thing with the wolves, we all bitch about it but nobody is out hunting them.

From: AwHunt73
17-Oct-14
I try not to hunt deer until at least Nov. I find that the weather turns sour and the lazy mofo's you are talking about are not real motivated.

One of the biggest reasons I started archery hunting was to get away from people and a valley full of hunter orange.

From: Idabow
18-Oct-14
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. You can thank all of the back-slapping heavily edited TV shows for the mentality you see out "hunting."

The late archery can be a zoo, also. It is funny what a 30-inch buck will do to a person's ethics. I've seen multiple guys chasing the same deer around in the same draw. Maybe they were all together. Who knows.

Thanks for being a good example. All big deer were once little deer, so I've never quite understood the "let's go kill all the forked horns" management style. But I better stop before I hijack your thread.

From: Brock-ID
18-Oct-14
We went to another area and ran into two Utards that were packing out a small 20-inch 4-point. The guy that shot it was just as proud as a peacock for shooting that deer on a general hunt. I had to bite my tongue so that I didn't cuss him out for not letting it grow a few more years.

Really? The guy shot what you consider to be a small 4 point and you had to bite your tongue?

What size deer does someone need to shoot so you don't have to bite your tongue when you see it? If the guy that shot it is happy, why would you think about cussing him out.

From: 9er
19-Oct-14
Congrats to the the guy that shot the 4 point. Maybe that was his first deer, maybe it was his 20th.

Who cares? It got him and his friend off "your" mountain so they wont be shooting "your deer"

From: nijimasu
20-Oct-14
I shoot what I can find that's legal to shoot. I like venison. Sue me.

That being said, I hunt primarily with a bow, on foot and not 4-wheeler. No need for anyone to rude in the field, but it happens. had my tire slashed last steelhead season because I had apparently parked next to a local's personal hole. No place for that crap among actual outdoorspeople.

From: GCreek
20-Oct-14
I too found that many of the rifle hunters I encountered were very rude. This was the second year that I have taken my wife out to get her first deer, she is totally fed up and no longer even wants to "waste" her time.

From: Eric B.
21-Oct-14
Wow Rex. Who are you to pass judgement on what another person shoots ?

From: mjenkins
22-Oct-14
"I have always been an archery hunter primarily for elk with a deer tag in my pocket just in case I came across a nice buck during the archery hunt. Then, every year, I go out on the any weapon (rifle) hunt for a big buck"

A couple thoughts come to mind with this statement.

1. Do you only shoot PY bulls with your bow, because anything less is not a trophy and should be left for kids who hunt with their bow.

2. Rifle hunting in general should be left for kids. Why don't you man up and just hunt with your bow. How do you like that opinion?

From: mjenkins
22-Oct-14
"I have always been an archery hunter primarily for elk with a deer tag in my pocket just in case I came across a nice buck during the archery hunt. Then, every year, I go out on the any weapon (rifle) hunt for a big buck"

A couple thoughts come to mind with this statement.

1. Do you only shoot PY bulls with your bow, because anything less is not a trophy and should be left for kids who hunt with their bow.

2. Rifle hunting in general should be left for kids. Why don't you man up and just hunt with your bow. How do you like that opinion?

From: T43
24-Oct-14
I ran into several other hunters last weekend during the rifle season and all of them were friendly, especially the guy from New Jersey. My wife filed her first deer tag with a 3x2 that will be delicious. I couldn't be happier about it. It seems like guys who are only worried about inches are possibly missing some. I would rather see 100 forkeys killed ethically, cared for properly and remembered fondly than any monster that was killed so someone could stroke their ego.

From: Nick Muche
23-Dec-14
LOL...

Says the guy with a 2-point in his "trophy photo" section...

From: brewski
24-Dec-14
Not fair...I've had two tree stands stolen. Both from residents. Every state has out of state jerks and they certainly have their share of resident idiots as well. Years ago there weren't as many houses, and there weren't as many hunters .Figure it out..

31-Dec-14
I feel your pain. I was checking out the Idaho forums because I may transfer there for my work. I currently live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and hunting, well, sure isn't hunting anymore. In Michigan people sit over large quantities of bait while sitting in heated box blinds and watching movies on their tablets. I have a rule of 4 points per side but that's getting hard these days. With all the youth hunts, multiple tags and everyone able to use a crossbow during the archery season now, there's just no deer left. It's not sustainable. You ask a kid in Michigan "What's it take to be a good deer hunter?" and they'll say "I know deer like corn." Nobody really hunts here anymore. It drives me nuts to try hunting the old fashioned way. I primarily bow hunt and use a climbing stand. I work hard all year to see a few deer, only to let the small bucks go and get killed as they go to someone's bait pile. It's sad here too. Don't even get me started on ATV's. We have become a lazy society.

From: Sarge
20-Feb-15
I bow hunt. If it is brown it is down. I cannot eat antlers. Bone does not taste that good. Of course, I probably am not the best hunter in the world. Number of deer in the last 20 years with a bow: Four. Number of elk in the last 20 years with a bow: Zero. LOL

Sarge

From: Nick Muche
20-Feb-15
MI Hunter.. I grew up in WI and hunted the UP every year since I was 10. I moved to Idaho and my eyes were opened! So much more opportunity out west... If you have a chance to move west, do it. Just don't be that guy trying to drag out an Elk like we do deer back home :)

From: new ears
21-Feb-15
In Ohio limit was 6 deer but last year it was cut to 4, if you live on your own property you hunt free and only report what you shoot.

From: new ears
21-Feb-15
In Ohio limit was 6 deer but last year it was cut to 4, if you live on your own property you hunt free and only report what you shoot.

From: Recon
09-Apr-15
@Rex. I understand your frustrations, however I also don't sympathize with much of your sentiments. Certainly we could agree on a pile full of Utah hunters filling the hillsides and canyons. No one appreciates that.

However, you need to remember that hunting means different things to different people. It's a challenge to shoot a big game animal with bow. For many people, myself included, it's all about the hunt and the experience. Granted, if there were that many hunters in one locale, I would leave. However, it isn't your or my decision to judge what one person shoots vs another. Legal is legal. Meat is meat. Not all of us are looking to tack a head to the wall. I'm sure you understand this and probably were very frustrated at your experience when you wrote that thread.

From: Deadeye1
21-Jun-15
I totally get what REX is saying. F&G need to help with the management of our deer. If we have hundreds of baby deer being shot every year then how do we expect our kids and grand children to have anything to hunt. If you kill off all the baby bucks and the old ones die off from age then where are the bucks that are old enough to mate and have new baby deer? You kill the baby's and the whole system collapses.

From: 10orbetter
23-Jun-15
Same debate that has been going on for 20 plus years. Horn porn got us CWD in Wisconsin. Be very careful what you wish for.

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