Kyle, I would agree totally that they aren't the no. 2 team in the country. They will struggle unless they have another big man. I have another reason to be a Jayhawk fan, my daughter got accepted to KU with the goal of being a pediatric nurse practitioner. So I am going to be invested in that school (proud dad!). Can you tell me where Kstate ranked in football before Snyder went to Manhattan? I believe they were known as the worst D-1 team!
KU will win the Big 12 again, they will make at least the sweet 16 again, they will finish the year ranked in or near the top ten again... K-State hangs their hat on football, but they'll never touch KU's basketball success. How long before K-State wins a football national championship? KU threatens pretty much every year, you can say they fall short, but they're in the conversation. When was the last time K-State's football national championship chances were discussed on ESPN???
2012, James. Apples to oranges comparing football to basketball titles though. Neither of KU’s modern titles came as a consensus #1 or #2, which you had to be until 3 years ago in CFB. If there was a 16 team playoff dating back 20 years or so in CFB it’s pretty conceivable the Cats would’ve played a roll in a handful.
K-state fans don't realize that if you leave the Midwest nobody even knows who k-state is, Kentucky state? It's not like the SEC or any major conference is concerned with them. State had some success in the 90's but haven't done anything since then. Congrats on the toilet bowl game nobody will watch or care about.. KU is nationally recognized and always in the top ten in the nation. Yes our football team sucks but at least we are successful in something.. And our fans don't have to wear purple lol
Gobbler you're right KU has to get rid of that wildcat hack!!!! I think KSU played KU bad in football just to give Zenger "we're improving" fire power. Just like KU let KSU stay in the games last year so the wildcats will keep Bam.
Boomer Sooner baby! Now on to the CFP Rose Bowl game to dominate another team ranked 3 on New Years Day. So much offensive production that I swear I saw Baker Mayfield drain a 3 ptr. too?
No “shocker” here as I knew all along this OU team was severely underrated. Sooners completely carved up the Shockers “play angry” defense. Sooners had more steals, more blocks, less fouls and less turnovers.
Most amazing thing about today was not that OU won, but how they controlled the game pretty much start to finish and Shockers got no closer than a two possession game. Second most amazing thing was how WSU seems to find an almost bald 20 year old white guy to play every year?
Look out Jayhawks ....Trae Young picked OU over KU so he could be on the team that breaks KU’s Conf. Champ winning streak.
Then again, I've done a little more reading... Dok is hurt, and he's their only true big man, Lightfoot is talented but weak. According to what I read, Dok's back won't get any worse, but he'll have to play through the pain, it's probably not going to get any better either. Until Desousa and Preston get eligible, it's gonna be ugly at times. Now I'm really glad we didn't bet on the Big 12!!!!
Other than Dok, it is a weak pathetic team. Average body weight around 160 lbs. They can't defend or rebound. We need bodies like the Morris boys and T Rob. Quit recruiting girls. First thing I would do is make Vick cut his hair. I am a lifetime KU fan but this team has no flavor or personality, hard to like.
I don't think he will leave now. They are in a power conference and he doesn't have a football program to compete with. Duke, Kentucky, KU, North Carolina, Michigan State are about the only schools who have jobs that would be appealing. Wichita State has out performed the rest of the field since 2012.
Weber cost Kstate dearly with those 2 stupid time outs. They were not going to review that out of bounds call had he not called time out with a 1:15 left. He should have saved them for the end of the game, it cost them a possession. Then he should not have called time out after the first free throw by Newman. Call it on a miss or push it to half court then call time out with about 12 seconds left. Stupid clock management.
Webber is such a panzie, I'm SO glad he's K-State's coach!! My brother-in-law, a K-State grad, is counting the days until Webber is dismissed. I'm counting the days until K-State grad, Sheehan Zenger, is dismissed!!!!
Twenty-trae to nine at this juncture...Cat's ain't half bad this year. Look at the "box" for the "Showdown"...had your sorry donkeys. Overzealous guard and a weak coach on our side but hey...we had a 10% chance according to ESPNah
WV made you look like the panzie's you are in that first 1/2...go plant a raised bed for your NIT inauguration
Hawks played very well last night. First time I have seen someone from the Big 12 wear out WV. They were dead tired in the last 8 minutes. Kstate does not have the winning tradition to pull off close games. Losing is a hard habit to break. They will always be third fiddle in this state.
Sickening, empty possession after empty possession, and all controlled by Lon Kruger. I have coached basketball for 30 years and would have immediately yanked Udoka after the first foul. Do you want a 40% free throw shooter shooting every possession the last 4 minutes or do you want Svi shooting 3's?
Hack a Dok was only for the last 3 1/2 minutes, the Hawks only scored 4 points the last 7 minutes. Rough finish, but we will see what happens in Lawrence! It's tough for everyone in the conference on the road! Rock Chalk!
Sito, I hope your memory isn't too short, De Sousa will make you eventually eat those words. He was playing against high school boys 3 weeks ago, lol! And as far as the hate, that hate will finally make K-State fans fill their "Octagon of Gloom" when KU rolls into town, just like Norman. At least OU fans didn't storm the floor like a bunch of idiots after the game... Oh and one more thing, are you going to pick out someone to buy the KBA membership for or are you going to do some kind of raffle??? :)
OU doesn’t have to act like they’ve been there before. That’s why they don’t storm the court. OU vs KU games are “usually” closely contested no matter the venue. Therefore, I believe there is some level of mutual respect between the 2 programs....kind of like OU vs Neb football in the 70’s-80’s.
Anybody wanna guess how many free throws Udoka is shooting in KU’s practice today?
I get it. KU is a perennial powerhouse and it's a big deal to beat them... even when they have a weak team. Go to Youtube and search "storms court KU" and you'll find a nice selection of teams storming the court like they won March Madness.
I say KU has the best recruiting coach in the state, K-State has the best x and o's coach, and WSU has the best basketball coach in the state. K-State will never consistently be coached well enough to take advantage of the play calls, KU will will always have the best individual talent but they won't gel as a team, and WSU will never get the best talent because he will make them work hard and expect them to stay until they have a degree.
You think??? I've always heard that Weber was a genius with the X and O's of the game (when he talks at clinics and stuff like that). He just isn't that great at getting his kids to execute the details properly. Some of Self's game decisions seem questionable, but I'm not a D1 coach so I'm just pissing in the wind when you get down to it.
When I think X's and O's I think about getting your team a good look out of a timeout or calling the right play at the right time. Self is great at getting easy buckets out of timeouts or on in-bounds plays. He used to do a great job drawing up sets that would get his big guys great looks when he still had good post players. Weber can't draw up a play to save his life. How many times have we seen a pick and pop for the Dean was at 23+ feet when we need one or two points and are in the double bonus? Our offense is hard to watch most of the time. Been making shots lately tho. Maybe he is great at it on paper...I don't notice it when watching them play, I guess. Hopefully he'll make a run. Has them playing pretty well right now.
X's and O's are offense and defense. Its also transition offense, transition defense, out of bounds plays, press offense, etc. Making adjustments during the game, out of time outs, etc. But it all starts in practice. Weber is horrible in all phases. Self is great recruiter. Marshall gets the most out of his players and win's with 3 star athletes. Rocky Lamar and Tim Swartzendruber are far superior to Weber and are 2 of the finest coaches in the state.
I think ultimately we agree on all this stuff, just have different ways of saying it. Self is great coming out of time outs. It's too bad he doesn't have more of them (except that with all the media time outs and coaches time outs the kids don't even have to be in shape... the game never goes more than a few minutes at a time). I get the feeling that Self's team will never gel this season. I love that K-State is winning games, and really love that WSU is doing well. KU just isn't very good this yr.
Do you think they will win the big 12 and be a 1 seed in March? I'm a KU fan so I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not impressed with their defense so far and I'm having trouble seeing them gel together and playing good team ball like they will need to for the string of wins they will need in March.
I guess "good" is a relative word. Of course they are good compared to most teams, but are they good compared their normal level of play? I think they're taking a step down from normal so that's not good.
As a KU fan, I'm just thinking about A&M right now. That said, I think K-State will win at Allen Fieldhouse West this year; but then again, I was giving KU about a 10% chance of winning at West Virginia too. One more thing, KU should have won at OU, they gave that game away. The play of Newman and Svi has been impressive, KU controlled the game until the end, even with Graham having an off shooting night. I think KU is playing quite well right now actually. I still think the kittens will win at AFW, because the "fans" will actually show up and cheer their team on one game and the place will be going crazy.
Crested- Just giving you a hard time on OU storming the court. Saw those kids go out and found it funny and a little embarrassing for them lol.
As for the K-State-KU game, I would like to gear towards the Cats' but it's always tough to cheer for Bruce in a big game. Just never seems to get it done. With that being said, I do think they have turned their season around and have become one of the best, if not the best, half-court defenses in the Big12. If we can capitalize on turnovers and hit 40%+ from the field, I say we win. Just hope they don't overlook Georgia and lose an easy one before playing Monday.
Horrible job by Weber. Not once did they screen the zone, no hi low action verse the zone, no penetration against the zone, and they never once went to the short corner. Their main priority should have been to get the ball inside the zone to Wade but instead he left him on the perimeter. Very uninspired by the players. Kstate helped KU take the air out of the ball.
Still not convinced KU is all that good. They had a GREAT shooting night (which is a blast), but they had a ton of turnovers and are dependent on a big man that can't hit a free-throw to save his life. Their man-defense is weak; they let people past them on the perimeter and the big guys foul to compensate for being out of position.
It was a weird game to me. KU went to a 2-3 to protect their big guys from a team who was playing mediocre at best... and then K-State tried to shoot out of it (while having a terrible shooting night). Attack the zone like clipper said and then force them to foul you on man defense. K-State made KU look good last night.
The Bucknell's of the world should be drooling. KU's defense needs help, their big man can't hit free throws, they have tons of turnovers, and only play well when they are hitting from outside. I'm a huge KU fan and hope they change some of these things before March, but I certainly see issues that other teams will attack.
I see what you're saying cat, but while this team is built on the three, they have won a couple games this year when shooting pretty bad. Svi made a lot of his hay last night driving the lane, the improvement of Newman has been dramatic, and he is a slasher before anything else. Also, keep in mind, while KU's defense isn't up to it's usual level, they still rank 30th in the nation in total defense. KU isn't as good as usual, but they are still really good.
I've never paid much attention to Weber's coaching before, but I'm now convinced I was giving him too much credit for making good game decisions.
KU fans are spoiled. KU wins a lot and has for a long time. With this in mind remember that when I judge their play it's though eyes focused on a championship run... and what will or will not get them there. Therefor I may sound harsh on them, but you won't win in March relying heavily on 3's, having lots of turnovers, and at the same time getting your non-freethrow shooting big man in foul trouble. It needs cleaned up.
And you are right about Svi driving the lane! I loved watching him split the defense or come out of a hesitation move to make an easy layup! Also loved all the backdoor alley-oops. And you were right about K-State fans showing up and dominating the gym. It takes a focused team to play in those conditions. KU has a chance and time to get there. They show promise in a lot of categories!
We'll see; I think they are capable of a deep run. Some of that will depend on Desousa developing though. Mitch has been playing great lately, but he's way out of position when he has to defend a true 5. As far as depth, they go 8 deep in players that get a lot of minutes, that's more than enough for a deep tourney run.
I thought the play of the game was a result of Self's coaching. KU started very poorly after halftime. Cats were on an 8-0 run to cut the lead to 5 and it felt like they were about to take control of the game. Inbounding the ball out of a timeout and Bill sends a double team to trap Barry Brown as soon as he catches the ball. He turns it over, leading to a couple free throws for KU and they settled in and took control again up 7 and never looked back... A bucket out of that timeout would have been huge and ole Bill had a trick up his sleeve to get the momentum back.
"The four-guard starting lineup has led to Kansas being ranked 30th in defensive efficiency at KenPom. From a ranking and a points-per-100-possessions standpoint, this is the worst defensive team of Self's career in the KenPom era, even dating back to his final seasons at Illinois." CBSSports
They were picked by 12 and down 13 at the half to the worst team in the Big 12 with an RPI of 119...
"the worst defensive rebounding team in the Big 12 allowed the Cowboys to grab 47.1 percent of their misses. That's a ludicrous number. KU's inability to box out teams on defense will be the defining trait that ends its season in the first or second weekend of the NCAA Tournament." CBSSports
Here is a li’l secret (especially if you could care less about either team playing like me) and you can wait until next day to see the SB commercials on YouTube. Tonight is one of the best nights of the year to go see a Movie! Might just have the entire theater to yourself?
Also set the NCAA record for most consecutive 20 win seasons and K-State is still out vitch. More losses against an opponent than any team in the NCAA. See, you get a record, too!! So, thanks for the kind words.
The Wildcats deserve to be in the tournament. OU does not. It will be disgraceful if they are selected. 5 teams should make it from the Big 12 KU, Texas Tech, KState, West Virginia, and Baylor. However Baylor is probably on the bubble. No way does OU deserve a shot. They are 6-9 in the conference and may finish with a .500 overall record.
I'm an OU fan as well and have a hard time believing they will make the tournament or deserve to. Seems the talk is, if they can win a couple more games that the voters will put them through because of the Young hype. Doesn't matter, they don't have a team to go past 1st round.
Writer, I was quick to say KU isn't good this yr. I didn't think they were playing good defense, was weak in the post department, wasn't shooting freethrows well, and relied on 3's too much to be consistent against good teams. I haven't watched many games lately so I don't know how they have done in those area's, but I do know they have been winning.
So have they fixed those things? Are they playing good enough ball to win on a night that they aren't hitting 3's? Is defense good enough to stop a team that has more than one good player? I sincerely hope so. Nothing would make me happier than a deep run into March!
Not surprised about Johnson, considering the nut-grab against Michigan. At least we know why the FBI didn’t have time to investigate multiple complaints against the crazy who shot up the Florida school.
Cat, I was referring to comments about OU and WSU being tops to others that say both are in the tank. Who knows what happens in the NCAA tourney? One bad game, or some smaller school shooting lights out and it’s over. Interesting what the worst coach, worst person in the world has done with such a shallow team. Self’s missing at least two blue-chip big men he was counting on to be studs this season. It’s a heck of an accomplishment they’ve made it this far.
Not much of an OU fan, but I really enjoy WSU being successful. They had a big win against Cinci the other night, and again showed that they "can" play with good teams. I hope the conference change works well for them and doesn't beat them down in the long run.
Sometimes I wonder what the hell Self is thinking (leaving guys in that can't defend or shoot free-throws at the end of a game), and then he strings together a 10pt run on a team.
Catscratch nothing has changed, same team doing the same thing. If 3's are raining they can beat anyone. Still not good on defense and on the boards. Doke has turned it on. Big 12 has faded badly. OU, TCU and WVU have tanked. WSU still top team in this state. But they all have a chance as there is no dominate team in the NCAA. North Carolina is my pick to win it all. The ACC is the best conference in basketball, just like every year. As far as the previous comments, at least people voiced their opinion, it is easy to come in and point out who was wrong towards the end of the season and after the fact.
“WSU still top team in the state”?? Lol I hope KU gets them in the tourney! Btw, KU has won some big games lately when the three ball did not go down. KU and WSU are both down this year. I’ll take a down KU over them any day this year.
WSU is not down this year. They are in a new conference, had 2 big injuries to their 2 best players, and they are on fire right now. I am a KU fan and hope they could beat WSU in a tourney match up. But having watched every game each of them has played this year, I give the edge to WSU just like the last time they played.
Hate to do this to you, Coach...but I have to agree with you as per WSU having one of their better teams, at least up and down the bench. Some of friends who are serious Shocker fans agree. A lot experience on that team...but I’m still giving KU the nod.
Right now they are playing lights out. McDuffie starting to find his game now will make them a tough out. Defensively they don't have Baker and Cotton but they have size and shooting. And good shooting trumps good defense, just ask Texas Tech. KU is peaking at the right time for a change.
What do you mean KU is peaking at the right time for a change? They have done this same thing the last few years... started off shaky, their fans aren’t sure how good they are. They cruise through the big 12... their fans start to think they are better than they are, then they lose in the sweet 16 or elite 8 as a 1 or 2 seed to a more balanced team. They are maybe a top 15 team and will be a 1 seed.. big 12 is weak.
KU’s team is so different from what they’ve run out on the floor in the past. The Preston debacle has made them truly a four guard team, that’s why they’ve been getting killed on the boards. Seems like every year something has happened to a primary post player, last year Doke got hurt. I’ll never forget the sick feeling I had when Embiid went out of that OSU game. He was the most skilled big man in the country and he hadn’t even met a sliver of his potential yet. The difference this year is they are not only missing a big piece, they are incredibly thin at the post since Colby transferred last year — he’s playing well at Western Kentucky this year, but I bet he’s kicking himself for leaving. I can hardly believe what I’m seeing every game with 4 guards out there all the time. Maybe this is the year KU shakes it up and goes deeper in the tourney. Maybe they’ll be the ones shooting lights out from three for a change and knock somebody off. I almost wish they were going to be a lower seed this year.
West, when it comes to WSU being down, I’ll be honest, I was thinking more of their team a couple of years ago with an NBA backcourt. And the year before that too when they had that stud swing man, I can’t remember his name.
Cle Early or Tekele Cotton? They have an NBA backcourt this year. WSU happens to be one the top 5 teams in the NCAA Tourney since 2012 with KU NC Kentucky and Villinova. They just didn't get the love playing in the Valley. But they are a top 10 team every year.
WSU won last night with a 3pt percentage somewhere in the low 20% range. Not easy to pull that off in this day and age. Will KU be able to win with a 20% from the arc night? I hope so! Self is starting to get a lot of credit for his 4 guard approach this yr...
Oh jeez clip. You're right, you're right, you're right! I'll quit bringing KU up even though we both appear to be fans. I kind of remember them playing 4 guards last yr. How did that work out against Oregon when they made something like 5 total 3's against them in the tournament? Crap man, it's like you're stalking me just to prove every post wrong. I said he's getting a lot of attention for it now. It is true, I'm seeing and gearing about it in the press the last couple of weeks. Enjoy the tournament.
Got a lot of press for it last year as well. Before that it was press for playing 2 point guards in 2015. Jordan Bell just dominated them last year. Basketball has changed. The days of Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Olajawon, Ewing, etc are long gone. Big men have to run the floor and shoot from the perimeter. Offense is now dribble drive oriented vs the old motion and pound the block.
Ok boys, and maybe girls. Sell me on who I should root for in the Big XII tournament. I have lucked into an all-session ticket and since I'm a Mizzou guy I would appreciate a sharp stick sales job for who I should buy a t-shirt for. That being said, I can not in good faith root for KU. Yay Jason Sutherland! So, does that leave my only choice K-State? Sell me, and don't be kind! I really miss the Big 8/XII.
Nope, but don't see KU winning the Big 12 tournament. Not sure they really want to. They need the rest to have a chance to go very far in the NCAA tournament. No way a tech fan, but I do like their coach. I can't believe anyone is a Webber fan! He has had talent but can't coach!
Great article about a great person, raised by a mother 14 when he was born. No mention of a father, but many times mom and son have thanked coaches. West-often don’t agree with your pessimism, but have no doubt you’ve had a positive impact on hundreds of lives as a coach.
Do you mean the excuse for winning the conference the most consecutive times, or for holding the on-going record for most consecutive weeks in the Top 25 or the on-going record for consecutive appearances in the NCAA tournament?
Still waiting for the excuse as to why your lavender ladies have the most all-time losses against another team which, happens to be their biggest “rival.”
Out early, out late at least they’re there. Our friends out west don’t kill a Booner every year so they’re failures in your way of thinking. I see ‘em as guys who at least have a chance to kill a Booner with a bow every season. Same with KU, though chances aren’t nearly as high this year.
Since Kansas is a distant second to the best team in Kansas, the mighty Shockers. We can only wonder how many points the fightin’ Greggggg’s would have laid on the Cats. Who knows, maybe they’ll meet up next week?
Actually it’s a 15 game sweep if talking about consecutive post season wins over K-State. Think KU now has the most consecutive 25 win seasons in NCAA history. WSU could push it if Marshall stays around and they stay in that league.
WSU is quite the paradox for me, I like their team and how they play, it’s their coach that holds them back — not x’s and o’s, I’m referring to his antics and poor attitude. When he’s gone I hope they get another good coach, I just hope the next is a good person as well.
Lol Clipper, why do you think Texas never even looked Greggg’s direction last time around? He’s a great coach who has no social skills whatsoever. He lives angry and his wife is an embarrassment.
Btw, I know that if Greggg had gone to Texas, or goes in the future, look out. He would build a team on the court that would be right at the top of the conference yearly. I just don’t know if a power 5 conference school would put up with his antics.
Good win for the Hawks, tough loss for the Shockers. Houston is really good and will be tough in the tourney. The have big bodies, they defend, and have terrific guards. The 3 things you neeed in the NCAA Tourney. Marshall is a terrific coach, but he should have pulled Reeves and put in McDuffie. Reeves has looked bad for the last 6 games and Frankcamp did not offer much. KU looks poised for a good run, especially if Udoka comes back. The AAC could have 3 teams in the Sweet 16 if they are put in different regions. KSQ are you on the KU roster, because you always throw "WE" in your posts? Maybe the dance team or pep squad!
Greg should have never pulled Duff in the first place...and what about Lightfoot heffy? Nobody wants to give him any cred but he stepped it up this weekend even with his "moonlighting" job in the P&L district...
“Interesting” entertainment you search out, Sito. Is amazing to me all the positives coaches Marshall, Self and Snyder have brought to their universities and the state of Kansas. Not sure there are many states with three such on-going legacies.
“Look out Jayhawks ....Trae Young picked OU over KU so he could be on the team that breaks KU’s Conf. Champ winning streak.”
Guess that didn’t work out too well. Fast forward 3 months and Young is spending all day praying to God that they make it into the tournament!
My prediction is that the Big XII has one team in the Sweet 16 or four of them. If it’s one team, it might be one you don’t expect, like a TCU or KSU. Set the differences aside now, Go Big XII!
Wichita has put a lot of effort into the upcoming tournament this week. KU will be there and hopefully KSU or another nearby fan base has Wichita on their path. It’ll be great $ for the city and more fans to share a common bond.
Kyle....Biggest loss in the tournament. The Hawks have won how many national championships. The Pussy Cats and Whoshocks have won how many???? Which would you rather have "the worst loss in the tournament"" and multiple national championships or the biggest upset in the tournament and no national championships!! Oh I forgot Kstate has neither!!!!
Hey Kyle, kinda got lost in the excitement, I think you owe somebody a KBA membership for the year! I’ll let you do the picking, you’re used to it with your regular generosity. I was pulling hard for the Cats, I actually watched the game instead of listening to it like usual. They are going to be tough next year, you’ll be joining us KU fans for a bit wondering what might have been if Wade had been healthy. Joel Embiid getting hurt a few years ago still frustrates me, and Kirk, Wayne, Perry, Doke last year....the list goes on.
Nobody thought they'd make it this far Lee...nobody. But, nobody thought KSU would win even their first game, and nobody thought UMBC would beat Virginia, or that Syracuse would make a run after having to win a play in game...or that Loyola would be the machine they've turned into.
Also researched that KU/Bill Self has now won three straight against Duke, another three against Kentucky and also three against North Carolina. Hope they can break the one in a row losses to Villanova.
Hats off to Bill Self and the team. Played really good defense. I can't imagine that it was Duke's gameplan to shoot 29 threes, but they couldn't figure out Self's patented post double and it made them so uncomfortable that they didn't even want to try.
kind of confused as to why coach k couldn't figure out how to keep Newman from running the baseline and shooting open 3's from the corner. I guess he figured if he went that far out to guard it it would let Graham slash to the basket. I'm a great couch coach. haven't lost a game yet.
Hog Coach K was handcuffed in a "Zone" and refused to go man. If he had his players "hedge" to contest Newman, he then leaves Svi, Graham, and Vick open to shoot the 3's. He could have had his bigs bump Newman on every cut. Against Syracuse they extended the zone to half court but could not do that against a 4 guard offense. I just don't think you could beat KU by playing zone. I would imagine Bill Self licks his chops everytime someone tries playing zone.