I have seen a huge drop off on deer in the clover plot. This sorta corresponds with my fight to supress the weeds with Butyrac (which seems to only slow them down not kill them). Could it be that when I spray I make the plants taste like crap? I am not brave enough to taste the Butyrac,..
Last question can anyone ID this weed,.. it is a real pain in my butt!! I can't seem to kill it?
PS even with the weeds as you can see the clover is getting huge!
Fall or early spring herbicide treatments in fields where horseweed seedlings are observed and especially in fields with a history of horseweed-control problems. The primary goal of a fall or early spring treatment is control of emerged plants. It should not be considered a substitute for a pre-plant or pre-emergent herbicide treatment later in spring. An application of burndown and residual herbicides is still required closer to planting in fields that were treated with burndown herbicides in the fall or early spring. For fall applications, we suggest using 2,4-D as the base herbicide to control horseweed and combining it with one or more of the following to ensure control of other winter weeds: — Glyphosate — Dicamba (can use premix, such as Brash ® or Weedmaster ® ) — Basis ® — A low rate of Canopy ® /Cloak ™ EX or DF — Autumn ™ Super, or metribuzin
Surely Xi has tried it,.. right? :)
Maybe I gotta hand pull em,.. ugh that will take hours. I weed whacked it all back and my hope is the clover will over grow the Horseweed?
( Entry overlap timing) Edit: I agree that pulling is best when they shoot up again. It will take time but you don't want them to drop thousands of seeds for next year.
Good luck. I like to make a workout out of work and avoid going to a gym where the major byproduct is perspiration and less money. Sounds very Tom Sawer-ish. "Hey, kids, this is so much fun and look how fast I can do this... "
Damn this entire food plot thing! I am going to officially blame Xi for this! LOL
Ya Pi,.. apparently once horseweed is established its too late. Butyrac is only effective when it is a seedling. My back is hurting just thinking about hand weeding the plot!
The Farmland caretaker that I know is planting grass in his front yard. He laid down loam and let it sprout all its weeds. He sprayed the whole thing with " kill- all stuff" ( I think he said it is Raptor but Roundup works well too) . and now a week or so later it is a lovely shade of brown. Next, he will seed it, feed it and cover the seeds with a clean weed free material like peat or a lite compost. Role it. water and wait. Perfect every time.
Don't lose sleep over it! Your plot is great as is. Be sure to keep it healthy with enough fertilizer and they will gather around for their last meal. And one last road trip in your jeep. Not the Mustang!
They are creatures of the forest edge where new growth is plentiful and low enough to reach. They probably would look like giraffes if they didn't have our backyards to graze in...
True Pro, and like shooting ... know what is beyond your target ( downwind).
http://www.northamericanwhitetail.com/conservation/whitetails-crossroads-crops-contributing-whitetail-decline/
We all hunt for many reasons but I feel safe to say that procurement of wild meat is near the top of everyone's list. In my house we try to eat organic when buying commercial foods and eat as much foraged plants and wild fish and game as possible. Deer feeding on a treated food plot would not qualify as organic meat in a supermarket. I just do not comprehend how spreading herbicides and pesticides on our wild lands is considered a good thing. Tekoa
Where are you getting your information that these are transferred through our wild game and into our bodies? Causing Cancer? show the source information, please.
Herbicides kill herbs Pesticides kill pests by design and not built to destroy our cellular structure. In addition, The half-life is relatively short once introduced to the air. And absorption is difficult due to the structure of chemicals and our natural barriers. Just what is driving this fear based idea? Show the link to cancer and don't site that Proven false data by that French nut case Seralini . Give something of real science, please. Valid Scholarly articles, please. Good luck .
Each pesticide ( which is not really a deer -food- plot issue ) must be looked at as well. From Permethrin to DDT. there is a wide range of safety and toxicity concerns ranging from no worries to big problems.
It is likely that pesticides and more probable the " inert ingredients" used alongside them are your best bet for finding the source of that issue from Maine. It would be worth finding the specifics on that local problem.
Does Glyphosate Cause Cancer? - FactCheck.org https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/glyphosate-cause-cancer
But it is not just the crop industry that uses these chemicals. The electric Co and Railroad Co have "Special Variances" Which sounds fishy.
A better( Way better) choice is BT ( Bacillus Thuringiensis ) And the future is likely in Genetic Modification but that's another topic.
Sounds like manual pulling.
A little background on how my opinions are formed when it comes to environmental contaminants of any type. I am a biologist by training and work at a drug development company specializing in cancer therapies. I've worked in the Pharma industry for over twenty years working with some of the best scientists in the world. Biology is extremely complex, marginally understood and quite unpredictable. Drugs for human use require years of clinical trials to prove safety and efficacy. Many drugs are conceived but few make it to approval. Now take Herbicides and Pesticides and other chemicals that people will be exposed to in their everyday lives. Of course they are tested for safety and environmental clearance but nowhere near the diligence given pharmaceuticals. People will say show me the data? Obviously the various federal regulatory agencies looked at the data and thought it was good enough. These are on the market.
Bur we only know what you test for and within the time frame tested. Mice, rats and other test animals are not humans. Also individual genetics play a huge role in how someone responds to any environmental exposure. That is why targeted drug therapies work for some people and have no effect on others.
We all choose our own paths. I'll limit my exposures to environmental toxins whenever I can. Others may do as they wish.
Tekoa
Your statement: "Obviously the various federal regulatory agencies looked at the data and thought it was good enough. These are on the market. But, we only know what you test for and within the time frame tested. Mice, rats and other test animals are not humans. Also, individual genetics play a huge role in how someone responds to any environmental exposure. That is why targeted drug therapies work for some people and have no effect on others."
True that critters are not humans but cell structure and chemical composition is consistent in the way it allows or does not allow interaction. This has consistently been tested for. (Genotoxicity studies are available for 30 years of study) After review of the best methods used to evaluate the interaction of say Roundup with cellular structure, it is long understood and accepted that this has safe application use, baring the improper handling or overexposure due to human ignorance. (such is the case with all things).
I believe you are blurring the line between our individual genetics IE: our susceptibility to environmental conditions, Which is quite true but not relevant here, and the actual reason this "Roundup" was and is considered safe by leading experts in your field. You're welcome to point to studies that contradict this but listing your resume, albeit impressive and passionate is short in persuasion. Or do you and your "worlds best" know a secret that you are keeping from us simple folks.
To your point, Some good science has shown the adverse effect of added ingredients, surfactants of animal fats etc, also, when mixed with other chemicals those added are often the cause for concern. All this has been tested for by the very methods that you and all others have at our disposal. Nothing secret that I can find...
Conspiracy? I'm all for entertaining the possibility but the evidence is far too available and transparent on this. Keep it simple and provide a study that concludes a reasonable basis for your belief in this particular chemical at the normal application rate. ( Roundup ) Or concede the point to our experts until such time.
Respectfully. PI
I still like the Torch method but have a fire extinguisher/water source on hand. ( Mud optional )
Oh,.. and a diet coke in case the flames get outta hand.
F'ing weeds will get theirs!
:)
First, it sets out to claim GMO's namely Roundup ready crops and the subsequent use of Glysophate is to blame for deer populations falling and tries an end around attack based on thyroid issues in fetuses. Based on Nutritional deficiencies... Which may have some truth in isolation but deer eat a variety of foods, not just the summer crops. It relies on second-hand information from some Purdue Univ, Professor who heard it from someone named Judy Hoy who studies PESTICIDES not our topic Herbicides. Then it goes on to admit it is not being tested separately from the other chemicals present in the FUNGICIDES such as BRAVO which contains CYANIDE and the various PESTICIDES being used simultaneously.
It contradicts itself in saying the population of Deer rose to its current greatness under the same conditions it is now blaming for the recent reduction which "may be due to some birth defects " whose origin is not known. Which is it? Roundup being common since the early 70's caused the deer population explosion or its current modest decline? Can't say and your guess is as good as the authors. It's a guess but not a random one. And look at the giant Bucks in the middle of the field ... They look healthy to me...
Nope, this author has a bone to pick with GMO's and Roundup but can't seem to provide any facts to support the fantasy. It is a Propaganda piece for Organic farming. So what do they do? they blur the issue and piggyback it onto other issues and call it one and the same. Guilty by association. More FAKE news from FAKE SCIENCE.
I accept that some chemicals being used may be affecting people negatively but before we toss out everything because some side effects are present and unwanted we should be sure of what is what and where the side effects are coming from. GMO's are likely the greatest invention ever and likely to save many millions of people worldwide. So what if it's not an all-natural development without mans thinking, an engine isn't either, nor a TV, a compound bow or this computer...
All Organic (if that is really possible) sounds good and I am sure it would be a great thing if it could also feed the population without any interference from chemical helpers... That ship sailed long ago. We are living longer and healthier lives than ever before ... We must be doing something right.
