Heck there was a post of a video on a certain group’s Facebook page here recently where they are concerned with the way our licenses are setup that we could kill every buck down to the last one here in WV!
So BOJ what is the magical number of bucks that should be harvested? It just seems to me like for some - the number of bucks killed is always too many.
I thought you were against limiting opportunity?
They added a heritage season to sale more licenses early in the year.
Read my post I said since it is the second year of higher percentage of kills over bow kills it would be interesting to see if there was any talk or if THEY thought there was even a problem. THEY meaning our biologist. I trust our DNR biologist and other members in doing the right thing. So you really have members over there concerned about the way WV hunting license are setup that we could end up killing every buck here?
You are blocked because I dont need screenshots sent to everybody. You spent time arguing why a 2 buck limit was the way to go and now that we are advocating a two buck limit you are arguing against it.
We arwnt killing any.more deer with crossbow and archery than we were with just archery. Now I'm sure the success rate is higher but we have less hunters. We need hunter recruitment and hunter license sales. I'm just not sure we need to give everything away to get that.
And Sunday are you a mind reader or have you hacked my phone to know the things you think that I do? Because I hate to tell you this depending on which one you are - you're not very good at it. Oh I will have discussions with others on topics in your group - but screen shots. Oh I did receive a video that was posted on your page - someone told me it was posted because on another facebook page I ask one of your members what research they were making their claims off of. Funny that the video posted by one of your members - makes the claim that with how WV sells hunting licenses that every single buck in WV - down to the very last buck could be killed! Oh and then they state they will have the research that proves it at the meeting on the 24th - I am so going to try to be at that meeting now to see this research! Then that member's spouse posted about the mass killing of bucks taking place in WV. Seriously that is where this debate has gotten to? I completely understand why you have blocked me and you can keep saying it is because I have done this or that (all of your assumptions have been wrong on things I have done by the way) the reason you block me is because I post data which just doesn't jive with your group's stance AND ALL THAT JAZZ! LOL those last 4 words came from the video. The old mass killing scheme - is that the stance of BBM now?
So one more question - I was going to ask you this in private but since you brought up that I sent screenshots to everyone was the reason I was banned - even though I did post ONE of your comments about I should just stick with staying with certain other facebook pages and other forums because the guy thought it was good advertising gets me banned. I am just asking this so others would know your criteria for banning people (oh and JR was asking about Wall of Shame) so killing two bucks in the bow only counties and getting fined - is A ok and you won't get banned in you better buck management group. So again to clear it up - poaching a second buck in a one limit bow only county gets you in a better buck management group and you can even be an administrator but taking a screenshot and posting - BAM you are kicked out?
On to the original point of this thread - I remember reading articles from both OH and PA that the concern was not so much the annual harvest of deer as a whole but the big concern was the increase in the buck kill before gun season caused by the additions of crossbows into archery season. It was my understanding they quite a few gun hunters were complaining about it.
And if statistically 0% shoot a 3rd buck, i know of 5 people that did last year, why even have it? Its a money thing.
He learned his.lesson and its not.mine or your place to judge. Fines paid. Lesson learned. Move on. It surely didnt bother the dnt when the man was almost solely responsible for a gigantic check being written out to them for habitat improvement on Lewis Wetzel, which would have NEVER happened without him. He also opened up a branch of QDMA in WV.
As to data BOJ. Its right in front of you. The average age of a buck killed in Wv is now 2.5 if I remember reading correctly. I believe the percentage of 1.5 year old bucks in WV is somewhere around 30% now and one year not too long ago it was in the mid 20's if I recall. I don't think many states have much lower percentages than that on 1.5 year old bucks being killed. Pretty sure that has dropped from like 70% over the past few years. And remember - you said it yourself - things are better now then what they were 10, 5 and yes even just 2 short years ago! So if we are pretty much in the same ball park now with those one buck limit states you always talk about - in the percentage of 1.5 year old bucks that we kill - you really think dropping the limit is going to drop the percentage anymore?
Now lets go by your 2nd buck with APR theory - so 2.5% of hunters kill a second buck. Maybe I am wrong but I think guys who kill a second buck - some probably shoot a bigger buck on the second one than what they do on their first buck and I am sure some don't. So even though it is not the case where all second bucks are young bucks -and I think the percentage would be even way lower - ok you got me man so 2.5 percent of guys shooting a second young buck might stop!