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Reply from Governor
Colorado
Contributors to this thread:
Stix 28-Apr-19
Stix 28-Apr-19
Longcruise 28-Apr-19
Jaquomo 28-Apr-19
bad karma 28-Apr-19
Stix 28-Apr-19
Brun 28-Apr-19
Stix 29-Apr-19
fubar racin 29-Apr-19
Jaquomo 29-Apr-19
Stix 29-Apr-19
Jaquomo 29-Apr-19
Stix 29-Apr-19
Huntmaster 29-Apr-19
Jaquomo 29-Apr-19
Surfbow 29-Apr-19
Stix 29-Apr-19
Jaquomo 29-Apr-19
Stix 29-Apr-19
Highway Star 29-Apr-19
cnelk 29-Apr-19
Orion 29-Apr-19
COHOYTHUNTER 29-Apr-19
Jaquomo 29-Apr-19
Adventurewriter 29-Apr-19
fubar racin 29-Apr-19
Ski-Skin 30-Apr-19
Stix 30-Apr-19
Stix 30-Apr-19
Jaquomo 30-Apr-19
Stix 30-Apr-19
Grasshopper 30-Apr-19
Stix 30-Apr-19
Grasshopper 30-Apr-19
Stix 30-Apr-19
fubar racin 30-Apr-19
Brun 30-Apr-19
Cootswatter 31-May-19
Turkey1 31-May-19
Ski-Skin 31-May-19
Ski-Skin 31-May-19
RogBow 01-Jun-19
Ski-Skin 02-Jun-19
From: Stix
28-Apr-19
Received this reply from Gov's office yesterday (copy and pasted edited out personal information):

Dear Mr. xxxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting my office regarding Colorado Parks and Wildlife. Thank you for your positive comments regarding my nominations to the Parks and Wildlife Commission. My belief is that hunters and anglers are the chief stewards of Colorado's fish and wildlife, who contribute a lions share of the funding for the agency through license and permit fees, as well as excise taxes and fishing and hunting equipment. I have striven to make appointments to this governing body with candidates that have a deep involvement with outdoor recreation. Since hunters and anglers do fund most of the agencies budget, I will continue to make appointments that serve the very best interests of Colorado's sportsmen and women. I will not put corporate interests ahead of sound wildlife management. I believe hunting and fishing and those who participate are the cornerstone of sound wildlife management practices.

With regards to the season setting process, I have been assured that all stakeholders have a seat at the table in it's development. However, I have also asked our Director of Natural Resources to review the process, to ensure priority is given to sportsmen and women of Colorado, where it does not conflict with sound wildlife management practices.

With regards specifically to archery, I am quite aware of it's popularity as a method of take. I agree that ensuring our hunting and angling traditions must continue, and wildlife managers must embrace these methods which attract more participants, especially with current trends that show hunting becoming less popular. It is noteworthy that archery is attracting more youth, women, and minorities, which are among the groups that I asked the commission to consider when adopting rules and regulations as we go forward. We must continue to make opportunities attractive to these groups, in order to achieve a growing trend in the outdoor heritage.

Rest assured that the current staff is taking all of these options in mind in the development of future hunting and fishing season, bag limits, and regulations.

I have forwarded your email to the Director of Natural Resources and the Parks and Wildlife Commission, along with my comments listed above. I was given assurances that sound wildlife management and conservation principles will be first and foremost of consideration, as well as the considerations of the hunting and fishing public.

Please feel free to contact my office should you have any other concerns.

With Warm Regards,

From: Stix
28-Apr-19
It sounds to me that he has a good understanding of hunting.

From: Longcruise
28-Apr-19
Or someone on his staff worked up a PC response. But, it's official response and correspondence so it's something to hold him to.

From: Jaquomo
28-Apr-19
It's a nice response but almost certainly written by a staffer. Governors don't take the time to personally respond to emails unless its someone they know. Likely sent put an email to his staff and interns asking for someone familiar with hunting, or who hunts, to respond to this one. The gal who knows about electric scooters responds to the e-scooter emails.

The upside is that he definitely read it before it was sent to you, and probably learned something from the staffer's response.

From: bad karma
28-Apr-19
He said nothing. That letter is so vague as to be meaningless.

From: Stix
28-Apr-19
Maybe this would encourage ya'all to write an email to him. More emails means more responses he has to at least review, and may give him a feel for the issue??? Or at least show there a popular interest???

From: Brun
28-Apr-19
I agree that this response was written by someone on his staff and that it was basically vague, noncommittal political wording, but it wasn't negative towards bowhunting or hunting in general. It's not a bad thing to have this response on record and hopefully it was forwarded to the CPW Commission. What was the email address you sent it to?

From: Stix
29-Apr-19
I used the contact the governor link on the governor website.

Google contact gov polis.

I think it's better than "not negative about bowhunting " It actually casts bowhunting and archery in a positive light.

I mentioned on an earlier post that this gov would be good for hunting and conservation in general based on his commission picks and his dnr director pick.

Just because he is a D doesn't mean he's not a conservationist, as most D's are.

If an R had written this response there would be nothing but praise and accolades here.

From: fubar racin
29-Apr-19
Send him an anti hunting email I bet you get a response back damning all forms of hunting in this state.

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-19
"Just because he is a D doesn't mean he's not a conservationist, as most D's are,"

What? Hunters are conservationists. People who are against hunting and different forms of hunting are preservationists, and are virtually always Ds. The huge majority of hunters are Rs, and know it's the Ds who are coming after hunting. There is a monumental difference between "conservationists" and "preservationists".

Take a look at the judges who are shutting down the wolf hunts, the grizzly hunts, east coast bear hunts, every other hunt against the recommendations of professional biologists. They are all Dem appointees, most of the recent ones being Obama appointees. The people who put anti-hunting measures on the ballots? All liberal Dems. The authors of every anti-hunting bill that gets introduced in any legislature in America? Dems.

Not to say that there aren't Dems who are conservationists. Centrist Ds who hunt and get it (which Governor Polis is certainly not). I have a difficult time with some hardcore lefties who hunt and call themselves "conservationists" after actively campaigning for Obama, knowing full-well he would appoint anti-hunting judges up and down the line, which has sadly proven true. That's a topic for a different thread. But to say "conservationists, as most Ds are" is a huge reach.

And he didn't write the response anyway so it doesn't really matter. +1 fubar.

From: Stix
29-Apr-19
Jaquomo,

you have a valid, undeniable point that it's the activist minded federal judges who are making these poor decisions in favor of the AR groups who petition them. I did not take that into consideration and I should have taken, as who appointed these judges (but don't forget the senate had to approve them, and I'm sure that it wasn't by 100% D votes only)

Lets look at these facts also:

His pick to head DNR is an avid hunter and conservationist, his commission picks are avid outdoors folks, with 2 of them avid hunters, and one other who has shown positive support to archery (Vardy). And this letter whether he wrote it or not (still had to approve it's release) shows that at the very least, he understands bowhunting is popular and it's popular amongst the groups he publically said he is trying to outreach to become involved in hunting.

And the fact that he responded shows that he's interested in hearing from his constituents.

We can also go down the road that a good portion of R's are pushing the "sell/transfer the public lands" idea, but that would turn this thread into a bash fest.

Just for the record, I am an unaffiliated voter. I've been called roadkill, by both sides. But I don't follow a party line., but lean mostly conservative because it seems to align with my belief's the most,......but not always. I don't advertise to candidates who I affiate with to count on my support. Let them earn my support.

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-19
Stix, a brief history lesson: Dems had a majority in the Senate but only 59 votes. So many of Obama's judicial appointees were so far radically left that Harry Reid had to impose the "nuclear option" and change longstanding Senate rules so Dems could ram them through with no Republican votes. It is some of these same appointees who are now shutting down the wolf and grizzly hunts against the recommendations of USFWS biologists.

I do give credit to the staff committee Governor Polis assembled to vet and pick the DNR director and the commissioners. It appears they did a pretty good job and selected good people to appoint. I think you're a bit naive about how the process works.

From: Stix
29-Apr-19
I was aware of the nuclear option for federal judgeships implemented by Harry Reid. But this only affected 25% of the judges that Obama appointed. But be as it may, it still got some judges confirmed that were left leaning activists, that otherwise wouldn't.

The points I made in my last post are still valid, that so far, his department and commission level appointments in DNR and CPW commission are good ones, and his response shows, at the very least, concern.

His transition and appointment team included: Bill Ritter (D), Roy Roemer (D), and Bob Shaffer (R).

His chief of staff (which is one of the most important with regard to advising him on policy) is Lisa Kaufmann. Her duties are: Control access to the governor and manage the governor's calendar; Monitor the flow of information to the governor on policy issues; Oversee gubernatorial Cabinet and staff; and Manage and communicate the governor's policy agenda to the state legislature and the public.

She was born, raised and educated in Tunkhannock Pa, an area rich in the hunting culture (that's where I was born and raised). She hunted there; has a degree in biology/natural resources. She does have a grasp on the natural resources issues.

Just sayin' and not trying to give you a brief history lesson. I trust you know all these facts.

From: Huntmaster
29-Apr-19
response = fake news

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-19
I don't mean to imply that Governor Polis is an enemy of hunters. Nor is he a savior. He's just politically astute and understands the importance of our massive financial contributions to fund a very important state agency. But his voting record in the House shows he will side with groups like HSUS (he has a 100% rating with them) to oppose biologists' recommendations for control of overpopulated predators to help recovery of dwindling game species.

From: Surfbow
29-Apr-19
I think we're all going to badly miss Hickenlooper by the time Polis and his cronies are done around here...

From: Stix
29-Apr-19
His voting record is a major concern, but he represented a very liberal district--peoples republic of boulder. Based what I've seen so far with regards to DNR & CPW picks, hunters couldn't have asked for better it appears, at least on the surface,he will be a friend to hunting.

The biggest concern is who will head the CPW agency. Whoever is picked will direct the agencies efforts. I'm not sure how this agency head is picked, civil service comm, Pwc, or governor. Maybe someone can chime in who knows....

Blessings to you, Lou

Chickenlooper was way worse than Polis. Chicken is a hilary style democrat..

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-19
The thing about Hickenlooper, and I got to know him a little before he became governor, attended a couple Christmas parties at his house, he was a self-made working guy, who understood business and commerce and regular people. He wasn't a career politician or limousine liberal. More of a moderate dem. I see some parallels with Polis, built and sold a successful business, and as Stix points out, surrounded himself with astute, experienced advisors who are relatively moderate.

From: Stix
29-Apr-19
I know Chickenlooper did elk hunt. He sighted in his Ruger #1 single shot rifle in .270win numerous times at our range before hunting season.

From: Highway Star
29-Apr-19
His response sounds like any other political reply, we shall see how he acts.

From: cnelk
29-Apr-19
I think its a good thing that a reply was given.

Now that a precedent has been set, maybe more emails should follow see if the message 'strays'

From: Orion
29-Apr-19
Jaquomo you do realize polis' partner is head of the hsus don't you?

From: COHOYTHUNTER
29-Apr-19
I agree with cnelk. I think we need to flood the governors office with our concerns. It may just provoke him to get more involved and put more pressure on the DNR Director and CPW Director to make sure fairness to the process is followed, etc.

From: Jaquomo
29-Apr-19
Orion, unless he was appointed CEO of HSUS in the past hour or so, Kitty Block is the head. Polis's partner is Marlon Reis, who is simply an animal rights advocate and vegan and writes some articles.

29-Apr-19
Kitty Block? seriously sounds like a porn name...

From: fubar racin
29-Apr-19
Surfbow I agree and as bad as he was I already do.

From: Ski-Skin
30-Apr-19
Initiative 79,

From: Stix
30-Apr-19
I encourage you all to all to email your concerns to the governor. The days of fair partnering with CPW with a friendly western handshake are over.

They used us to promote a resident fee increase, and we obliged. Then cpw issued the first ever bull only otc license before the elk population data was released. The data showed the GMU was above population goals.

This was nothing more than a test of the waters to see if they could further limit bowhunting.

The outfitters and ag leaders testified at commission meeting to further limit bowhunting.

Jaquomo was correct that we are not negotiating from a position of strength. What could telegraph more strength then having the chief executive officer of our state responding to our requests.

Google contacting Gov Polis. There will be a link to a page to voice your concerns.

From: Stix
30-Apr-19
I also urge very stongly that the CBA liason to CPW set up an archery display, demonstration, and information session at one of the next CPWC workshops. It was done about 20 years ago when Conrad was liason and it was a success. There are many new commissioners and cpw staff that could get a further understanding of archery amd bowhunting and why it is so popular. Set up a range and let them all try with low poundage bows, bpth trad and compound. Now is a great time to do this. Dont let a public relations opportunity slip away.

As I said it was done many years ago, during the bgss process and I think it swayed alot of opinions.

From: Jaquomo
30-Apr-19
I dont know Stix. After shooting a well-tuned modern compound for the first time and stacking groups at 20 yards they might decide our equipment isn't "primitive" anymore and we don't need the long seasons we're now enjoying....

From: Stix
30-Apr-19
It is more of a demonstration, it was a great success 20 years ago. We even went into stalking up close, and had bow hunter ed instructors there talking about ethical shot distances. It will show them how attractive achery is, and may even spark interests.

Being proactive is a better strategy that wait and see what happens. The cost of doing nothing is huge.

From: Grasshopper
30-Apr-19
The commission had an archery demonstration last May at the Cameo shooting complex outside of Junction. Kenny Marcella, Valerie Kunz, and Fred Turner gave it, all CBA reps.

From: Stix
30-Apr-19
4 new commisioners since

From: Grasshopper
30-Apr-19
Stix, My top priority for the next 3 months is to keep my wife and kids satisfied and happy so I can hunt in Sept. Beyond that, other critical priorities include a commission meeting in Junction, then La Junta, then Telluride. Aside from that - 3 CBA board meetings, magazine articles and lots of required correspondence to members and others. None of that includes earning an income, which is also a personal priority. At some point in there, I expect the launch of a public access group, and I expect to be on it. That will mean more meetings.

While an in depth bowhunting workshop might be of value to commissioners and bowhunters, someone else needs to step up and do it. If there are volunteers, contact me. Eden Vardy expressed an interest to me in getting a bow and shooting, I told him to go to a pro shop and shoot a bunch of bows which is the same answer I would give to anyone. If someone can take a personal approach that lives in Pitkin or Garfield counties, let me know. I think he said he has an archery range on site at his farm. I will bring the concept to the board and seek direction and volunteers.

Not trying to toot my own horn, just saying I have bandwidth challenges, and know when to say no.

From: Stix
30-Apr-19
Ok cool, maybe I should have said that the CBA should do this as opposed to singling you out. I apologize for that.

The time it was done 20+ years ago it was on a suggestion to Conrad from me since I worked with him. The situation was similar, there was some hints that CPW was looking to shorten the bow season.

30+ years ago, when I was a rep for United Bowhunters of Pa, I did the same thing, just prior to going to the game commission asking for a 3 week extension of our season from 30 days to 51 days. They were very leary of this request as they typically had a 3-4 week break between bow and rifle seasons. We were looking to fill that gap. It turned out to be a great public relations ploy, and the commission approved our request. It changed the direction of the conversation in favor of the bowhunters and I think it will have the same result here.

From: fubar racin
30-Apr-19
When we have a governor that completely dismissed the will of the vast majority of Colorado voters, what makes us think that he gives a damn about what a few thousand Bowhunters think?

From: Brun
30-Apr-19
Grasshopper, I sent you a PM concerning above mentioned commissioner.

From: Cootswatter
31-May-19
Colorado is SOOOOOOO screwed. We are blue and never going back. I'm 100% that Polis or is Husband neither hunt.

From: Turkey1
31-May-19
Sold my condo in Pagosa Springs a few years back. Zero regrets on that one. No desire to own property again in Colorado. Beautiful state being ruined by terrible policies. I’ve been saying for the last 10-15 years that Colorado is the next California. Haven’t seen anything to change that opinion yet.

From: Ski-Skin
31-May-19

Ski-Skin's Link
https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2018/06/sierra-club-launches-600000-campaign-support-jared-polis

From: Ski-Skin
31-May-19
The governor is an anti-hunter plain and simple, he wants to ban all predator hunting, Bear is next on the list. He is in tight with the Sierra Club a CALIFORNIA Eco-terrorist group that make 119 million a year in donations! Everyone needs to get on their local mailing lists. Not put any money down, but get on the mailing list find out when events are and infiltrate. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

From: RogBow
01-Jun-19

RogBow's Link
As you all know, this is even more important.

From: Ski-Skin
02-Jun-19
There will be civil war!

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