Trailcams and bait
Kansas
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I know baiting is the worst thing in the world but how many people use bait in front of their trail cams in the off season to inventory a property?
I would guess several hundred thousand if not millions.
Not much corn got planted this spring so the price of baiting may go through the roof.
Might try the women's forum
I have used a trophy rock through the summer months. They don't hit it regularly but will use it enough to see what is around.
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“Baiting is the worst thing in the world”, if you let other people tell you that the way they hunt, is the only way to hunt ethically. To your question, I start baiting with corn Sept 1 and never hunt till early November. That two months gives me pretty good inventory of the deer herd.
We cannot do any of it in NY, no minerals or baiting or feeding whitetails. Maybe we have one thing going for us that Kansas don't, nothing else but that!!! Shawn
So much vegetation this year it's gonna be a tough year to get them the old fashioned way. I had several thousand pictures of brome grass waving on Sunday. A barren patch of soil with bait may be the only way to go this year.
I would really hate for anyone to have to actually work to get a mature buck this year.
It's nice to know what is around but all that changes about the 3rd week of October for us. Know the trails and find the rub and scrape line from last year they will be using it this year. Good luck to all.
Hey Matte, Your boys at the paintball course might have saved a life recently without even knowing. I'll PM you the details.
I used to spread a few seeds when I first got a trail camera. I'd toss out about a 1# butter tub sized container of corn or other grain, like chicken feed, to get the deer to stop in front of the camera because without it, I had only been getting nose or tail pictures.
I have much better quality cameras now, with faster shutter and trigger speeds, haven't used bait in many years. Was frustrating back in the day of 35 mm film cameras to pay to develop film and only have ghost images or tails showing.
Our property is a travel lane, I set the cameras on the heaviest used and most visible trails but still did not get many good quality pics. Someone suggested a feeder or dumping a bag of corn out, neither of which appealed to me. I could get free grain at the time, so once a month I'd spread one tub of grain around the area in front of my cameras. I went from only getting one or two deer or wildlife pictures per set, to hundreds of pictures each time.
I don't use the grain any longer, and haven't in probably 10 years or more. I get thousands of pictures a month with out it
I saved a lot of money over the years with a no bait and no camera policy.No regrets
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Beans are up out of the ground on the farm now, about time to break out the first camera. Also, deer are pounding the bee clover plot behind the house after dark, I might have to get a camera up back there too, just to satisfy my curiosity, it’s gonna be a few more years before deer are showing up back there in daylight.
Yea Dave, get same feeling everytime I download the pictures.
I hunt both Kansas and Nebraska so I see the differences every year. When baiting was first legalized in KS we boycotted and refused to give in. Pretty soon there were beaten trails going of my property to the neighbors feeders. We had to do it in self defense. I have feeders to keep deer close but I've never shot a buck over a feeder. It just feels wrong. I would love it if KS outlawed baiting for deer. Last year a landowner friend of mine made this statement. "It doesn't seem very hard to kill a big buck with a bow, all you have to do is put out a few hundred pounds of corn and wait for him to show up." I couldn't argue with him and he has way less respect for bowhunters because if it. I realize that if it's legal, I have no right to say you can't do it.
Every time we cut a corner, we look bad in the non hunting world. We really should make fair chase our first and last concern. I feed corn because I have to but I do not rely on bait to bring in my buck. We bowhunt because the method is more important than the results. At least that's why most of us do.
Getting back to the original post, I rely on trophy rocks or mineral to get them to smile for the camera. It works really well.
You are correct JSW.
Baiting completely alters the routines of deer. I saw the change about 10 years ago with baiting... not pointing at anyone group, but in this area it started with outfitters, then I saw a lot of urban born hunters move in to the area with similar tactics. Snowballed from there.
Trail cameras probably are equally to blame as people want to see bucks on their cards. Also to keep tabs on a specific animal. Corn/bait makes that much easier. You can glass fields all year long and maybe never get your eyes on a particular buck... bait, as I’ve learned in the last couple years messing with it, most won’t resist and you can at least get a photo occasionally.
Is what it is, but it is stupid. Doesn’t make it right and I have my doubts it will ever change. As long as people are dumping corn on property lines and outfitters are dumping huge piles a few hundred yards away, I’ll continue to put some corn in front of my cameras.
From my experience and photo graphic evidence most outfitters do not follow any sort of management plan despite their claims.
Don't you guys know who to blame for this, Texas! Before Kansas allowed out of state hunters we didn't have the problem of leasing or baiting, both of which were made popular in Texas.
There will be a push coming soon to ban baiting in Kansas in order to slow down the spread of CWD. Deer were not designed to live like livestock and feed in confined areas. We see this with the near epidemic cases of CWD in deer farms. One way to slow the spread of CWD is to do away with bait sites. When that push comes, we need to stand together and support the professionals who propose this. I realize that there are hunters who couldn't kill a deer without bait if their lives depended on it, but the resource is way more important than our laziness. We should support efforts to ban baiting when the time comes.
It seems odd to me that Texas is the most well known state for baiting and feeding deer has so few cases of CWD. It looks like the cause for it showing up in some of the eastern states is the result of having high fenced hunting preserves with pen raised deer from states with CWD.
The "push" can't come soon enough Jim
Jim what is the difference between deer congregating at a mineral site versus a bait site?
Lee- It’ll get to Texas eventually just as it eventually got to Cheyenne County from the original hotbed along the CO/WY border. Passed from deer to deer. It’s spread across areas where baiting is illegal though it may speed up the process. Depends on who you ask. It would be interesting to see how the legislature would react if KDWPT outlawed baiting.
Lee- It’ll get to Texas eventually just as it eventually got to Cheyenne County from the original hotbed along the CO/WY border. Passed from deer to deer. It’s spread across areas where baiting is illegal though it may speed up the process. Depends on who you ask. It would be interesting to see how the legislature would react if KDWPT outlawed baiting.
If KDwPT tried it the outfitters and leessors would go to Topeka and have them overrode on the idea.
In my experience and my opinion bait is not needed. I put out cameras 9 this year and just see what shows up. This is the most I have ever put out. I just started using cameras 3 years ago. I think it’s a great tool but it still never tells the full story. I put the cameras out in April and check them when I start hunting in late October early November.
Wait... so we are against baiting but while it’s legal we do it ourselves?
I think food plots is baiting
I believe food plots are baiting also Forestbows. The definition of baiting would be something that attracts deer from their natural habitat to a precise location, that would include mineral sites in my opinion. Just my opinion, you might check with Sito since he is the ALL KNOWING and ALWAYS RIGHT AUTHORITY on the subject!
just drive around and look at all the deer eating out and around cattle troughs in the morning and evening i dont think you can stop CWD by banning feeders
I live in and drive through cattle country everyday, and I've never seen a deer eating out of a feed bunk. Not to say it can't happen, but our family's cows don't even leave enough for the birds.
One of the neat things about being a human is that you get to believe anything you want I reckon? Heck some folks still believe the earth is flat, and that Bigfoot exists, and that I am the "ALL KNOWING and ALWAYS RIGHT AUTHORITY"...though I prefer "All Being...Master of Time Space & Dimension".
The gathering of cervids at any site is a potential risk factor that could promote CWD...so why do it, why even take the risk? Why did any of us pick up a bow in the first place? So that we could sit starring at a pile of sustenance, that we have trained animals to come to for months if not years, and pretend it has something at all to do with being a hunter...not this "All Being".
Of course Forest thinks food plots "is" bait. He and other baiters...like you Lee, look for any excuse to validate their reasons to dump piles of failure and call themselves hunters. If they can associate failure piles with other things(though they're nothing alike) that's what they do...been going on for years. Forest even invites known poachers to shoot deer at his failure piles, at least you(Lee) have some ethics and morals right?
Never seen a deer eating out of a cattle trough in my life... and I'm like ksq in that I live and work with cattle every day.
Leebo nailed it with the definition of baiting as anything purposed to attract the target to a specific location that is altered from their natural movement. Decoys would fit very well into that definition... ;) Intentions are important as otherwise it might just be feeding. After-all they are called bird feeders, not bird baiters. Also, it's perfectly legal to dump grain on the river's edge as long as you don't hunt ducks within a certain distance from the pile.
So is flooding an unharvested field baiting?
i started to set a blind around a trough to shoot a doe one year then decided not to ive seen it several times have no reason to lie
Those guys I share a camp with are 10 times the man you could ever hope to be! I hunt all over the world, many different ways. I know your jealous of that and is why you continue to bash me. 95% of all the hunting I do has nothing to do with bait but yet I am a failure. I grew up poor but worked hard became successful and now I get to travel the world doing what I love but I'm still a failure because Kyle says I am. I don't think baiting will ever be illegal in Kansas no matter how hard you guys try, and if it is most Kansas guys will just break the law like they already do........ waste of time!
Now now Forest, I never once said you were a failure...only that you and your poacher buddy shoot things over failure piles. Congratulations on...well...congratulating yourself.
Unharvested and flooded ag is a food plot. :)
So it's baiting!!!!!! Forest is right, baiting will "Never" be illegal in Kansas on private ground. There is so much wrong with Kansas management and baiting is way down the list.
"Jim what is the difference between deer congregating at a mineral site versus a bait site?"
There really is no difference between mineral licks and corn piles or "protein feeders". Any one of these could increase the spread CWD. In my opinion, food plots are entirely different. There is very little difference between a designated food plot and 200 acres of soy beans.
I don't understand the logic behind encouraging fellow hunters to support a baiting ban once it is proposed by the KDWPT, but doing it yourself in the meantime. Are you really against it if you do it yourself currently? I understand that you are trying to keep animals on your property, but you can do that without shelled corn.
What's on "the list" above failure piles and sadness spreaders Jeff? I have a few idea's but I'd like to hear yours too...pretty sure many align.
Any season tag, to many non resident tags, season waaaayyyy to looooooooooong, leasing, the lack of control over how tags and licenses are purchased, crossbows, outfitters, etc. Should I continue? Baiting fits right in there but if we controlled some of these other issues baiting would fade.
If you banned baiting it would take care of at least 4 of your items......
Lots of difference in a food plot vs bait pile. My smallest plot is a 100 yds long and I've only had a few opportunities in 9 years to kill over it. If I had a bait pile, they would have been right under my tree
Cherney, I would like to see baiting banned but I will do it to some extent as long as everyone else does. I would consider what I do supplemental feeding. I don't put out bait to bring a big buck to a particular spot. I use feeders to keep deer from beelining it over to the neighbors feeders twice a day.
I'm also opposed to having so many trails open to ATV's on public land. I would support more restrictions there as well. I'm not going to go so far as to walk the last 5 miles when everyone else is taking an ATV to the end of the road. As long as it's legal and ethical, I will use an ATV. Same premise. Can you see the logic now?
I do, but I disagree with it and that's okay. I should probably do something similar as I struggle to keep mature deer around the pieces I hunt. I guess I would rather shoot smaller, younger deer without bait than large, mature bucks with bait. My opinion is that if we are against baiting for multiple reasons, as you've stated, we shouldn't do it no matter who else is. We have to start somewhere and the more people that decide to "boycott and refuse to give in" as you said earlier, the easier it will be to convince the rest to do the same once serious talks of banning begin (hopefully soon). Especially with great hunters like yourself killing giant bucks with no bait on the premises.
It must be awfull to be so pi##ed off all the time always worried about what other people do or dont do
I'm not pissed at all, Frank. What did I say that made me seem pissed? Oh, nvm, I was bashing on your beloved baiting.
lol ive waited all spring for this crap to start back up i love it
About time for a vacation pic from "Slate". And now that it is July Matte will start posting pics of "Scrapes".
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When will it warm up down there Fran?
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Anything Forest posts was shot while he was camped over a pile.
From QDMA, give me a break. Food plots are their bread and butter. That is about like asking AOC about open borders.
Oh QDMA isn’t a trusted source? They must have ulterior motives. Bigger deer? Better hunting? What exactly do you disagree with them on? Do they sell food plot seed?
This whole discussion is nuts year after year give it up Pat, hunt youre way and dont worry about everyone else you preach to anyone different you dont really now how i hunt or dont hunt
Why does it make you uncomfortable?
ask yourself the same thing buddy
I’m having a conversation on a forum. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, boss. I’ll keep it more warm and fuzzy for the baiting community going forward.
im not uncomfortable son its so funny how you and so many others talk down to people you never met P.S. dont fall off that high horse buddy
oh, you can't. Good talk, Frank. Have a good day bud.
On a lighter note, is it just me or is anyone else on here the slightest bit curious as to what could be on the tip of Slates finger? Uhhh, actually maybe we don’t want to know where that fingers been, Yikes!
I think he might have NJ confused with Hawaii...that's not Hawaii...this is Hawaii
Hilarious! I've got better photos of Hawaii than that!
Wow! This thread has gone places!!
Sito I knew that one was coming!
What is the world coming to...even Billy Self has a bracelet made out of corn?
Man, this is quality entertainment right here!
kansan, sir , you may be right. however after reading some of this bull shit i realize the real reason the KBA has 30 active members.
What does the KBA have to do with anything on this thread? That was out of left field...did you just stop by here on your way to the "Area 51 Raid" archer56?
ha ha. Haven't checked Bowsite for a while....things haven't changed...
Looking forward to season soon enough!